FoTi
Crusader
Too late you bloody tell me this!
Ain'tcha noticed I gave up using them silly things . . . beside, my sweet Virginia likes my soft whiskers better than my old stubble.
R
Yes, soft whiskers are always better.
The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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Yes, soft whiskers are always better.
CarmeloOrchards
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You nut!In your dreams, Pal! What is this, The Outer Limits???
So Cal Rules! O.K., except for Mt. Shasta, parts of the Central Coast and the Gilroy Garlic Festival, which rocks!
But we gots grunion runs, In and Out burgers (animal style da bomb!
how many songs sing the praises of La La Land?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DujCHFWHKQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kee9xdQbQ4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKeXkhxiq6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvK_gD3ulaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s1MSwRPlEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw08Ho6_Pds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvs8U0oxnlI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-YaWE0zu-c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxGGckAc1rs
San Francisco is a City of Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnMLGkj91Og
This clip encapsulates the "Real Los Angeles"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSxihhBzCjk
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CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
i've wanted to respond to this post for several days.
I was only "in" for 8 years, 68-76, but I got a world of good out of it before I left. I use the tech for the CC and below all the time. I audit people by phone, and have for over nearly two decades. The bullshit is the Oat Tea stuff.
The para-scientological stuff of Jack Horner, Enid Vein and Alan Walter (to name just three) adds breadth, depth, and sanity to the stuff we studied on the shsbc.
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
My own experience wasn't at all like his, so I find it to be of less interest or relevance personally.
Mark A. Baker
lkwdblds
Crusader
We have done out best to dissect Hubbard!
We here on this thread have done our best to dissect Hubbard and see what he was all about. I started my search in the fall of 2005, believing at that time that Hubbard was a saint and that DM had ruined the C of S. I wandered into the Freezone and then onto ESMB with that mind set and felt pretty much all exes felt the same. What an awakening ESMB has been!
Markus, I an very sensitive as regards your situation and what happened to your Brother. I believe all who post here are sympathetic to you and support the actions you are taking.
In the last 3 or 4 months, at least for me, and I would appreciate the comments and input of others, there has been an accelleration in our understanding of Hubbard here on the Apollo 1973 thread.
A THUMBNAIL RECAP OF L. RON HUBBARD
He was basically very human and was a "louse", primarily Def. 4 below, built on similarities to definition 1.
louse (lo̵us; for v., also lo̵uz)
noun pl. lice
1.
a.any of an order (Anoplura) of small, flat, wingless insects with sucking mouthparts, parasitic on the skin or hair of humans and some other mammals; esp., the human body louse (Pediculus humanus corporis) and head louse (P. h. capitis)
b.any of various arthropods that suck blood or juice from other animals or plants
4.Slang a person regarded as mean, contemptible, etc
His main motivations, pure and simple, were a desire to be rich, a desire for power over other people and a desire to be idolized and to stamp his name into history and be adored by others.
The man was nobody's fool. He was very bright, well read, and he had tremendous charisma and good Ethics Presence. He was well versed and skilled in several areas. To really see his true characteristics, an examination of his 3 marriages, 3 wives and 7 children pretty much cuts through all the PR and reveals a lot about his priorities and what he believed was important. As can be seen from those 10 people, family, for one thing, was unimportant to him.
He decided to start a religion to become rich and famous. To form his religion, he was able to sort through vast bodies of data and cull out the most useful and worthwhile facts in this enormous sea of data. He was able to select out many of the key principles of existence, sort them as to orders of importance, reformat and repackage them in Western terms and make them palatable for Western consumption.
PEOPLE HAVING WINS EARLY ON - He must have realized that to hook religious followers he would have to offer materials at a low cost, loss leaders or introductory samples so to speak, which were affordable to people both in terms of money and time spent at study. This, due to his brialliance, he was able to do and he spread his message through his talent and connections from being a good writer of popular fiction, especially science fiction. We do not fully know where he got his data, which data was developed by him personally and which came from other sources. It is clear that most came from other sources but he took credit for developing everything which he packaged. Book One kicked off his movement. People had more gains than he expected and Book One penetrated much more deeply into Society than he expected.
UNEXPECTEDLY, BRILLIANT AND CREATIVE PEOPLE JOINED HIS MOVEMENT, PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANTED TO HELP MANKIND!
Here is the crux of the Hubbard riddle! Dedicated people began to join Hubbard and actually began to develop technologies which helped people and made a stab at a "total know" and were designed to better society and better mankind. HUBBARD DECIDED TO GO ALONG FOR THE RIDE AND LET THESE PEOPLE CREATE.
The contributions of these others plus Hubbard's initial efforts to provide some "loss leaders" at low prices to entice people into the fold solve the riddle or dichotomy of Scientology and Hubbard. How can something developed to control people and suck out their talents and money also have a good side to it? Becauese of the 2 items stated above!
Hubbard had a dilemma to deal with. He wanted fame, power and money from his efforts; fame, power and money for just himself and no one else. HE DID NOT WANT ANYONE ELSE TO SHARE THE LIMELIGHT WITH HIM and reap any benefits from HIS creation, his CHURCH! This applied to all the brilliant people, rank and file people and his family members as well. There was to be only one MESSIAH in this new religion of his and he was it. Timing became critical, these brilliant people within his organization were developing technology which worked. HE DID NOT WANT TO KILL THE GOOSE THAT LAID THE GOLDEN EGGS! These people all had to be gotten rid of and he knew that from the start. The question was only how long to let them create and develop tech for him. A solution arose, every creator and contributor on his lines was allowed to contribute as long as they remained a background figure. If they began to build up a name for themselves and develop a following of admirers that is the point he chose to get rid of them. He developed a simple method of getting rid of any potential rivals within his group and that was to falsely accuse them of crimes against him and then "Dead Agent" them. This aspect of his organization was not sophisticated and is very easy to see through.
Thus went some of the early luminaries, Volney Mathison Jack Horner, Otto Roos, Johnny Mac, Ray Kemp, Alan Walter. After the creation of the secretive OT Levels, the secrecy was enough to keep rivals from emerging, for a while, but ultimately he got rid of luminaties such as Yvonne Jentzsch and Ken Urquhart and then his greatest asset of all, since Johnny Mac, and that was David Mayo.
As the luminaries began to be kicked out, Hubbard played a greater role in the release of the upper levels and that is probably why they are controversial and do not yield the results which are claimed for them. When the sanest technical voice, a voice of integrity, Mayo, was Dead Agented, the technology took a real dump and nothing worthwhile in the area of tech has come out of C of S since that time. The upper bridge tech was drastically watered down, eliminating Power, Grade 6, and the Clearing Course. Then OT Levels IV through VII were dropped and replaced with NOTs. I believe the idea was to get everyone onto NOTs, a level which could be run year in and year out endlessly. OT VIII was already out but was not delivering anywhere near what was promised so it was reworked a bit. OT Levels 9 through 15 and Super Power were promoted as carrots on the end of a stick, so as to keep the flock looking ahead and paying towards the ultimate levels which would finally deliver the goods originally promised in Book One.
KSW #1 may be totally a 180 degree reverse vector. Perhaps the truth is an exact reversal of what KSW #1 states. Others developed the workable portions of the tech, LRH brought out thousands of items of tech as well but of his contributions perhpas only 20 had permanent value and of those 20, non were fundamental or basic. THE WORKABLE PORTIONS OF THE TECH, THE THINGS PEOPLE SWEAR BY AND STILL USE WERE ALL DEVELOPED IN THE 1950'S and EARLY 1960's BY OTHERS AND WERE ONLY PACKAGED AND MARKETED BY LRH.
This synopsis completes my thumbnail analysis of LRH, a project I began 5 years ago to try and understand who the man was and what he was all about.
Lakey
We here on this thread have done our best to dissect Hubbard and see what he was all about. I started my search in the fall of 2005, believing at that time that Hubbard was a saint and that DM had ruined the C of S. I wandered into the Freezone and then onto ESMB with that mind set and felt pretty much all exes felt the same. What an awakening ESMB has been!
Markus, I an very sensitive as regards your situation and what happened to your Brother. I believe all who post here are sympathetic to you and support the actions you are taking.
In the last 3 or 4 months, at least for me, and I would appreciate the comments and input of others, there has been an accelleration in our understanding of Hubbard here on the Apollo 1973 thread.
A THUMBNAIL RECAP OF L. RON HUBBARD
He was basically very human and was a "louse", primarily Def. 4 below, built on similarities to definition 1.
louse (lo̵us; for v., also lo̵uz)
noun pl. lice
1.
a.any of an order (Anoplura) of small, flat, wingless insects with sucking mouthparts, parasitic on the skin or hair of humans and some other mammals; esp., the human body louse (Pediculus humanus corporis) and head louse (P. h. capitis)
b.any of various arthropods that suck blood or juice from other animals or plants
4.Slang a person regarded as mean, contemptible, etc
His main motivations, pure and simple, were a desire to be rich, a desire for power over other people and a desire to be idolized and to stamp his name into history and be adored by others.
The man was nobody's fool. He was very bright, well read, and he had tremendous charisma and good Ethics Presence. He was well versed and skilled in several areas. To really see his true characteristics, an examination of his 3 marriages, 3 wives and 7 children pretty much cuts through all the PR and reveals a lot about his priorities and what he believed was important. As can be seen from those 10 people, family, for one thing, was unimportant to him.
He decided to start a religion to become rich and famous. To form his religion, he was able to sort through vast bodies of data and cull out the most useful and worthwhile facts in this enormous sea of data. He was able to select out many of the key principles of existence, sort them as to orders of importance, reformat and repackage them in Western terms and make them palatable for Western consumption.
PEOPLE HAVING WINS EARLY ON - He must have realized that to hook religious followers he would have to offer materials at a low cost, loss leaders or introductory samples so to speak, which were affordable to people both in terms of money and time spent at study. This, due to his brialliance, he was able to do and he spread his message through his talent and connections from being a good writer of popular fiction, especially science fiction. We do not fully know where he got his data, which data was developed by him personally and which came from other sources. It is clear that most came from other sources but he took credit for developing everything which he packaged. Book One kicked off his movement. People had more gains than he expected and Book One penetrated much more deeply into Society than he expected.
UNEXPECTEDLY, BRILLIANT AND CREATIVE PEOPLE JOINED HIS MOVEMENT, PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANTED TO HELP MANKIND!
Here is the crux of the Hubbard riddle! Dedicated people began to join Hubbard and actually began to develop technologies which helped people and made a stab at a "total know" and were designed to better society and better mankind. HUBBARD DECIDED TO GO ALONG FOR THE RIDE AND LET THESE PEOPLE CREATE.
The contributions of these others plus Hubbard's initial efforts to provide some "loss leaders" at low prices to entice people into the fold solve the riddle or dichotomy of Scientology and Hubbard. How can something developed to control people and suck out their talents and money also have a good side to it? Becauese of the 2 items stated above!
Hubbard had a dilemma to deal with. He wanted fame, power and money from his efforts; fame, power and money for just himself and no one else. HE DID NOT WANT ANYONE ELSE TO SHARE THE LIMELIGHT WITH HIM and reap any benefits from HIS creation, his CHURCH! This applied to all the brilliant people, rank and file people and his family members as well. There was to be only one MESSIAH in this new religion of his and he was it. Timing became critical, these brilliant people within his organization were developing technology which worked. HE DID NOT WANT TO KILL THE GOOSE THAT LAID THE GOLDEN EGGS! These people all had to be gotten rid of and he knew that from the start. The question was only how long to let them create and develop tech for him. A solution arose, every creator and contributor on his lines was allowed to contribute as long as they remained a background figure. If they began to build up a name for themselves and develop a following of admirers that is the point he chose to get rid of them. He developed a simple method of getting rid of any potential rivals within his group and that was to falsely accuse them of crimes against him and then "Dead Agent" them. This aspect of his organization was not sophisticated and is very easy to see through.
Thus went some of the early luminaries, Volney Mathison Jack Horner, Otto Roos, Johnny Mac, Ray Kemp, Alan Walter. After the creation of the secretive OT Levels, the secrecy was enough to keep rivals from emerging, for a while, but ultimately he got rid of luminaties such as Yvonne Jentzsch and Ken Urquhart and then his greatest asset of all, since Johnny Mac, and that was David Mayo.
As the luminaries began to be kicked out, Hubbard played a greater role in the release of the upper levels and that is probably why they are controversial and do not yield the results which are claimed for them. When the sanest technical voice, a voice of integrity, Mayo, was Dead Agented, the technology took a real dump and nothing worthwhile in the area of tech has come out of C of S since that time. The upper bridge tech was drastically watered down, eliminating Power, Grade 6, and the Clearing Course. Then OT Levels IV through VII were dropped and replaced with NOTs. I believe the idea was to get everyone onto NOTs, a level which could be run year in and year out endlessly. OT VIII was already out but was not delivering anywhere near what was promised so it was reworked a bit. OT Levels 9 through 15 and Super Power were promoted as carrots on the end of a stick, so as to keep the flock looking ahead and paying towards the ultimate levels which would finally deliver the goods originally promised in Book One.
KSW #1 may be totally a 180 degree reverse vector. Perhaps the truth is an exact reversal of what KSW #1 states. Others developed the workable portions of the tech, LRH brought out thousands of items of tech as well but of his contributions perhpas only 20 had permanent value and of those 20, non were fundamental or basic. THE WORKABLE PORTIONS OF THE TECH, THE THINGS PEOPLE SWEAR BY AND STILL USE WERE ALL DEVELOPED IN THE 1950'S and EARLY 1960's BY OTHERS AND WERE ONLY PACKAGED AND MARKETED BY LRH.
This synopsis completes my thumbnail analysis of LRH, a project I began 5 years ago to try and understand who the man was and what he was all about.
Lakey
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lkwdblds
Crusader
Apollo '73 thread passes 100,000 views!
Stat discussions are not very popular here. Nevertheless, the major milestone which we just passed demands acknowledgement. We passed 100,000 views tonight. I remember Dec 3, 2009, two days before my birthday when we passed 10,000. Carmelo, then using a Ruthie Madoff Avatar sent me a congratulatory message as did Sweetness and Light.
Here we are, only 7 1/2 months later, passing 100,000! So, Carmelo, we did it - How about a "high 5" partner.
Lately, I lay in bed at night thinking about the team of incredible beings who are posting regularly on this thread. So many great minds and great beingnesses. We have done something different in threads. I see us as a "think tank". Be it Philosophy, Religiion, Mental and Spiritual Technologies, Theories of how the Universe Started, Rock music, Classical Music, Travelogs, Nostalgia, the San Francisco area, Australia and New Zealand, Germany, England, Latin Culture, Classic Automobiles,we do it all and we are "World Class"at every thing we do.
I started out trying to reconnect with old friends, maybe make a new friend or two in the L.A. area and wanted to reach 10,000 views. What has happened is just so much more than what I put out there to achieve and therein lies an example of where Hubbard spoke the truth in his maxim, "OT's work best with other OT's" When I apply this truism now, I do not restrict this to Grade Chart OT's. All the regulars who post here are OT's in my book.
It has to do with having an ability to look deep within yourself and spot truths and then take the time to voice your truths and wisdom to others and anyone who is successfully doing this is an OT to me and we work well with others of the same persuassion and when quite of few of us get together, such as on the Apollo '73 thread, we generate Power, an enormous amount of Power and in fact our thread as measured by statistics is also in Power and no one could kill it, even with a stick. It just seems to grow now as if it has a life of its own and perhaps it does.
Lakey
Stat discussions are not very popular here. Nevertheless, the major milestone which we just passed demands acknowledgement. We passed 100,000 views tonight. I remember Dec 3, 2009, two days before my birthday when we passed 10,000. Carmelo, then using a Ruthie Madoff Avatar sent me a congratulatory message as did Sweetness and Light.
Here we are, only 7 1/2 months later, passing 100,000! So, Carmelo, we did it - How about a "high 5" partner.
Lately, I lay in bed at night thinking about the team of incredible beings who are posting regularly on this thread. So many great minds and great beingnesses. We have done something different in threads. I see us as a "think tank". Be it Philosophy, Religiion, Mental and Spiritual Technologies, Theories of how the Universe Started, Rock music, Classical Music, Travelogs, Nostalgia, the San Francisco area, Australia and New Zealand, Germany, England, Latin Culture, Classic Automobiles,we do it all and we are "World Class"at every thing we do.
I started out trying to reconnect with old friends, maybe make a new friend or two in the L.A. area and wanted to reach 10,000 views. What has happened is just so much more than what I put out there to achieve and therein lies an example of where Hubbard spoke the truth in his maxim, "OT's work best with other OT's" When I apply this truism now, I do not restrict this to Grade Chart OT's. All the regulars who post here are OT's in my book.
It has to do with having an ability to look deep within yourself and spot truths and then take the time to voice your truths and wisdom to others and anyone who is successfully doing this is an OT to me and we work well with others of the same persuassion and when quite of few of us get together, such as on the Apollo '73 thread, we generate Power, an enormous amount of Power and in fact our thread as measured by statistics is also in Power and no one could kill it, even with a stick. It just seems to grow now as if it has a life of its own and perhaps it does.
Lakey
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EP - Ethics Particle
Gold Meritorious Patron
The Seekers!
Perhaps the true "Seekers" are represented here, good people!
This, to give the Ozzies a big acknowledgement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtGZkHhvbMk
Judith Durham!
EP
Perhaps the true "Seekers" are represented here, good people!
This, to give the Ozzies a big acknowledgement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtGZkHhvbMk
Judith Durham!
EP
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
100,000
100,000. I guess our service and parts warranty just ran out. We should have had the drive train checked at 95K. alas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F68sL2ZB1k
100,000. I guess our service and parts warranty just ran out. We should have had the drive train checked at 95K. alas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F68sL2ZB1k
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afaceinthecrowd
Gold Meritorious Patron
Stat discussions are not very popular here. Nevertheless, the major milestone which we just passed demands acknowledgement. We passed 100,000 views tonight. I remember Dec 3, 2009, two days before my birthday when we passed 10,000. Carmelo, then using a Ruthie Madoff Avatar sent me a congratulatory message as did Sweetness and Light.
Here we are, only 7 1/2 months later, passing 100,000! So, Carmelo, we did it - How about a "high 5" partner.
Lately, I lay in bed at night thinking about the team of incredible beings who are posting regularly on this thread. So many great minds and great beingnesses. We have done something different in threads. I see us as a "think tank". Be it Philosophy, Religiion, Mental and Spiritual Technologies, Theories of how the Universe Started, Rock music, Classical Music, Travelogs, Nostalgia, the San Francisco area, Australia and New Zealand, Germany, England, Latin Culture, Classic Automobiles,we do it all and we are "World Class"at every thing we do.
I started out trying to reconnect with old friends, maybe make a new friend or two in the L.A. area and wanted to reach 10,000 views. What has happened is just so much more than what I put out there to achieve and therein lies an example of where Hubbard spoke the truth in his maxim, "OT's work best with other OT's" When I apply this truism now, I do not restrict this to Grade Chart OT's. All the regulars who post here are OT's in my book.
It has to do with having an ability to look deep within yourself and spot truths and then take the time to voice your truths and wisdom to others and anyone who is successfully doing this is an OT to me and we work well with others of the same persuassion and when quite of few of us get together, such as on the Apollo '73 thread, we generate Power, an enormous amount of Power and in fact our thread, measured by statistics is in Power and has a life of its own now and no one can kill it with a stick It just seems to grow now as if it has a life of its own and perhaps it does.
Lakey
We don't mind you talkin' stats all that much, Lakey...we just like teasin' you about it!
Cangrat's to you, S&L, Carmelo and all Yall for creating something worthwhile, unique and special.
Face
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
Her voice was choice.Perhaps the true "Seekers" are represented here, good people!
This, to give the Ozzies a big acknowledgement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ga9Bs4fzSY
Judith Durham!
I always liked their 12 string guitar too..
FoTi
Crusader
This is a really good write up Lakey. Maybe you could make a separate thread of this so that it could be easily found later to refer people to, since it's hard to find the posts on here sometimes.
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
More California Songs
How could you miss this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3GbF9Bx6E
Then there's Jan and Dean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF5e5pvUkCQ
http://www.surfcitycalifornia.com/
And finally, for now, Joni Mitchell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q4foLKDlcE
How could you miss this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3GbF9Bx6E
Then there's Jan and Dean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF5e5pvUkCQ
http://www.surfcitycalifornia.com/
And finally, for now, Joni Mitchell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q4foLKDlcE
FoTi
Crusader
Markus
Silver Meritorious Patron
The man is dead?
What a complete nonsense. Who do you think is controlling my father who is causing his crazy behaviour towards me and my sister today and who was causing it in the last 30 years? DM who is several thousand miles away? You are so far away from seeing what the real problem is with Scientology. Too many people are getting distracted from the real problem by Marty and his followers. And Marty is not helping people out - he is keeping them in the trap is leading them from one golden mind controll cage to another.
Scientology is like a hard drug which is attacking the mind and the soul of the infected person. You should read the following articles in full lenght to understand what I mean.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=19232
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=19028
In my opinion Scientology clearly is causing a severe form of behavioral addiction.
From Wikipedia:
http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&sourc...jQhZYD&usg=AFQjCNH0p_D78Z9WkcFZqNQBOhMdpbU3yQ
Behavioral addiction
The term addiction is also sometimes applied to compulsions that are not substance-related, such as problem gambling and computer addiction. In these kinds of common usages, the term addiction is used to describe a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, despite harmful consequences, as deemed by the user himself to his individual health, mental state, or social life.
The applicability of the word "addiction" to these conditions is controversial, and there is not a universal consensus as to the most appropriate phrase used to describe these conditions as a class. Commonly used phrases include behavioral addiction[1][2] and "non-substance-related addiction".[3][4]
"Behavioral addictions" is included as a new class in DSM-5, but the only category included is gambling addiction. Internet addiction and sex addiction are included in the appendix.[
Please read and think about it AnonKat.
Best
Markus
Markus
Silver Meritorious Patron
This IS the right place to "crap" on Anonkats posts....
I disagree completely thetanic - this thread is about The old days - Aboard the apollo - 1973, the place where Hubbard started his big deal of mind controlling people and suppressing freedom of so many people in the Sea Org. This is the best place to discuss this matter with AnonKat who is not willing to see what the real problem is with this evil cult and his criminal founder. Many posts here make it very clear - Hubbard was evil and his goal was to suppress people for his own amusement, for his own benefit.
Best
Markus
I disagree completely thetanic - this thread is about The old days - Aboard the apollo - 1973, the place where Hubbard started his big deal of mind controlling people and suppressing freedom of so many people in the Sea Org. This is the best place to discuss this matter with AnonKat who is not willing to see what the real problem is with this evil cult and his criminal founder. Many posts here make it very clear - Hubbard was evil and his goal was to suppress people for his own amusement, for his own benefit.
Best
Markus
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
and Joanie went to Palo Alto High School (Paly to locals)
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
Markus,
Who /what is the audience that you are writing to?
What is it that you really want to accomplish?
What is your timetable?
What is your plan?
Who /what is the audience that you are writing to?
What is it that you really want to accomplish?
What is your timetable?
What is your plan?
lkwdblds
Crusader
I don't mind if Markus and Anon Kat have a debate here.
For whatever its worth, I don't mind at all if Markus and Anon Kat air out their disagreements on this thread. For a long period, we paid no attention to the theme of the thread. Only when Face showed up did the thread return to its roots. Markus shows enough of a tie in to the Apollo 1973 to use this thread to air his grievances. Of course, as we all know, none of us, except Emma, can make a decision where one can post and can not post. We have the largest audience so why not post it here, as Carmelo said and Ted says in his signature.
Also for FoTi, I am going to take your advice and start a new thread with that post and see what happens. I tried it once with the Celebrity Centre Story of Origin. After I posted it here, Janice Grady, Yvonne's daughter, suggested I post it as a separate thread. It flopped, only 88 views since last Christmas. There were 82 when the thread was new and only 6 since January and 3 or 4 of those were just me checking in.
I guess I'll call the thread, A Thumbnail sketch of LRH and just do a Copy / Paste of that post and see what happens. I know I am going to be bashed pretty badly by the Freezone people while the LRH haters will bash me for not going far enough because I feel that some of the early tech works.
I do not think the thread will go very far. I'll guess 950 views and 48 replies. For the most part not many will agree with my analysis and some will joke and degrade me personally and a lot of 4 letter words will be used when commenting on the OP.
Lakey
For whatever its worth, I don't mind at all if Markus and Anon Kat air out their disagreements on this thread. For a long period, we paid no attention to the theme of the thread. Only when Face showed up did the thread return to its roots. Markus shows enough of a tie in to the Apollo 1973 to use this thread to air his grievances. Of course, as we all know, none of us, except Emma, can make a decision where one can post and can not post. We have the largest audience so why not post it here, as Carmelo said and Ted says in his signature.
Also for FoTi, I am going to take your advice and start a new thread with that post and see what happens. I tried it once with the Celebrity Centre Story of Origin. After I posted it here, Janice Grady, Yvonne's daughter, suggested I post it as a separate thread. It flopped, only 88 views since last Christmas. There were 82 when the thread was new and only 6 since January and 3 or 4 of those were just me checking in.
I guess I'll call the thread, A Thumbnail sketch of LRH and just do a Copy / Paste of that post and see what happens. I know I am going to be bashed pretty badly by the Freezone people while the LRH haters will bash me for not going far enough because I feel that some of the early tech works.
I do not think the thread will go very far. I'll guess 950 views and 48 replies. For the most part not many will agree with my analysis and some will joke and degrade me personally and a lot of 4 letter words will be used when commenting on the OP.
Lakey
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