The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[afaceinthecrowd]

Hi Face,

I do thank you for the admiration as it is helpful to me, even though I've had a lot of it recently from a number of beings, one can't overrun on it, can one?

I also know and appreciate that you are being forthright, honest, and direct and am the type of being that really enjoys All of those qualities, very much.

I certainly know that what you say about LRH was true and you did see what you report on as in "callin' 'em as I saws 'em".

He was at that time out-of-valence, a narcissistic personality, a dominator, and all of the many other descriptions from those on the net and in books and in personal conversations of some I knew who worked with him on the Apollo.

I am reporting that he seems to have changed considerably after dumping the LRH persona in Jan. of 1986 (a long time ago). By what percent toward an ideal, I can't say and don't know now. I'm still pursuing some answers.

It was interesting regarding my initial contact, because he was visiting my auditor (an old friend of LRH) (not TMT) and not me and was just playing around doing some "coffee shop" C/Sing and bugging them for fun. Then the next session when he appeared again uninvited, I starting asking about things I was interested in regarding my situation and even the SP in the field I had the the misfortune of dealing with who is in the original LRH valence/s (not the P.T. being). Which by the way gave me the whole indirect but correct view up close of LRH and all his many faults experienced by me, as that fucking coward tried covertly to push me the rest of the way off of the cliff. He failed and will eventually take himself down similarly to the way LRH did.

I had just read about everything on LRH's negative side, so was in no mood to be propitiative or admiring to him. Nonetheless he ignored any thoughts like that and gave me some valuable, for that time, help, suggestions and information, mostly personal.

My intention is not to defend LRH at all, but only to report my experiences as you have done. I do believe in giving credit where it is due, and therefore a lot of credit does go to LRH.
What Lakey and others don't fully realize is that there were two LRH's and at this time many more than two parallel universes for this being. Don't ask me about it yet as I only have acquaintance with maybe two positive ones.

I agree with Lakey and LRH, in that he has much more of a liability formula to do, BUT he is doing valuable work still along the direction of positive research. From any "insider" I've had the brief acquaintance with over the years he always has had some strategy going. I believe he still does.
I'm not in an OT position of trust to know all and that is OK with me now.

Face, as far as your warnings about LRH, I have not yet taken down my "guard" with him, although it has been suggested to get in more direct comm with him.
From what has occurred I am quite safe and more than ever filter any Info or tech through my reality and what I know of the tech and other techs too.

Much progress has been made by that being (formerly LRH) since 1986, but he has a ways to go yet, for sure.
So do I !

I like your list of beings to Chanel. I'll see what I can do there.

I have just brought up beings separatedly, disrelated to my auditing,
solely from their perceived beingnesses (with help).
John McMaster way the most fun one as I clearly felt a presence with remarkably obvious and wonderful characteristics. An OT win for me !

MORE TO COME.



Thank you Leon.

All of this comm from LRH was initially (twice, through two terminals) unexpected and not at all seeked out, except by a continuing quest to answer some questions that most of us have by having some stuck attention.

Anyway, I pride myself in my honesty, and have been careful to tell it like it is. I'm not taking any ego satisfaction in these comms, but have as my sole
purpose to resolve, as much as I can, lingering problems of case and misunderstandings between myself, LRH (only a partial aspect of that being
currently), and any other being who has been wronged or mislead by LRH up to the point of eventual resolution to everyone's benefit.

Mostly I am responsible for myself to resolve these things for myself.

LRH is responsible for himself. He has resolved somethings for himself, but has more to go, mostly relating to others.
I still need to answer more specifically what he's done and what is left to do. I'll pursue that line with him when I get a chance.
He has a very strong Help flow, that others could take advantage of. There is at least one being that would intercede willingly with LRH. He has some availability, although not daily; there are physical opportunities to use this being, but it would be easier and more direct if I did this with him, as he is easily available to me now, as long as I balance my processing with the contacts, otherwise it isn't ethical for me, and they agree, as it was their suggestion first.

Like TMT, I'm working on many games, and need more session time myself too.

As far as others, they are responsible for themselves, and as long as they assign any blame to LRH even though is is quite warranted from my current viewpoint, then their tone is too low to get into the tone or "vibration" necessary to resolve things for themselves. A perfect trap.

Am I lecturing to others ??
Hell NO. You would have to go for some distance to find someone who has held himself down as much as I have with negativity.
I've been (no longer) a champ at limiting my OT powers.

Just to give you a touch of it, I discovered Positive Postulates solely on my own research without any input of education in that area and then went out and used them to create instant miracles that were mathematically very improbable, thus proving to myself the power of my discoveries.

P.S. = I like natural food restaurants; any good ones near you in N.Z. ?

Fair enough, Blue...Thank You.

I think the two beings stuff may have some merit.

I think El Ron gets more credit than Hisself is due for White Scientology.

As far as I'm concerned Black Scientology is El Ron's true personal legacy.

Thanks for "puttin' out there" re: you and El Ron.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

I think what LRH needed during his lifetime was a series of Punch-outs by a series of people.

I've heard multiple stories by several people that if one stood up to his cowardness he would back down. Some did it by just maintaining their natural powers of beingness.
John McMaster did it for the kids in the chain locker, a story that would hit anyone in the gut.

I did confront LRH on several subjects recently which were certainly not comfortable for him. He knows that he has a lot to repair.

That being now seems to be on the right road, with a long way to travel.


On the other side is a being who assembled a lot of good workable tech that I use daily to improve my life.
Credit where credit is due.
That has been valuable to me. In fact it saved my life several times.

Not of that level but, I used PAB 111, to get rid of my eyeglasses.
I broke them, and could not find one lens, then raced my car up to 115 mph on a turn for two days, then suddenly realized I hadn't used my glasses the whole weekend ! Never put them on since.

The essence of understanding LRH is not to make him one personality, which makes him impossible to understand, but to realize he was two or more
constructs, one of which overwhelmed the other for everyone's detriment.

Much of the negative side (although certainly not fully handled yet) was left
behind on 24 January, 1986, when he suddenly realizes he has no body and that he'd fucked up in many areas, and wonder what what hit him, I'd suppose.
I'll have to ask him about what happened at the time.


PS = I will be off ESMB for several days, so I can get a life.

Thanks again, Blue…you make some good observations and points here.

However, I must say this from my perspective; If El Ron thinks anything on the negative side was left behind through the fact of departing the body, he’s in for one helluva shock some day, some where.

Hope you have a good time with life…it’s the best game in town.

Face

 

[lkwdblds]

The word endemic communicated well to me.

Maybe so...you're a Tech guy and maybe that's the right view.

If I recall correctly, the definition of case is: The whole sum of passed by-passed charge.

My opinion still is El Ron’s penchant for stealing from, using and tricking others was not Hisself’s case…it’s what El Ron does natively, instinctively did.

Face

The fact that you considered El Ron's penchant for stealing from, using and tricking others was not Hisself's case but was endemic was a useful communication for me (for what it's worth). I took it to mean that it was what El Ron does natively. In other words, the maxim "a cleared cannibal is a cleared cannibal" can be applied to El Ron. No amount of auditing, training or processing would reach so deep that it would get Ron to refrain from applying these traits which are native to his basic beingness.

To my knowledge, and please correct me if I am wrong, Mark is not a tech guy in the sense that he has personally studied tech on courses inside the Church and has his certificates, etc. I believe he is tech savy in that he may have done his own independent studies and discusses technical points often in his writings. The term "tech guy" may or may not apply, I don't know.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Excellent posts by both Blue and Face!

Thanks again, Blue…you make some good observations and points here.

However, I must say this from my perspective; If El Ron thinks anything on the negative side was left behind through the fact of departing the body, he’s in for one helluva shock some day, some where.

Hope you have a good time with life…it’s the best game in town.

Face

Blue -Excellent post, good points both pro and con!! The concept of punching Ron in the face got a reaction from me because I wished I had punched out some members of the Flag Bureaux while on Flag. Many top people on this board told me to drop those notions and they convinced me to do so. It appears to me now, that if one is suppressed by another who won't stop, maybe it would sometimes make sense to punch the person AT THAT TIME. If you don't do it when the incident first occurred, there is a pretty universal concensus to let it go and not wish you had DONE it or threaten to DO IT if you run into the person in the future.

Face, I agree with the last sentence in your last paragraph. This summarizes the point I was trying to make in my recent posts. BTW, I got my end phenomena on that series of posts and am not going to write about it any more.

Magic Thetan Being the originator of this thread and liking to ackieve high readership, I observe your posts and see that you are only posting here now and I get a picture of good old Perry White, the Editor of the Daily Planet in the Superman series; Perry is reading that day's "Planet" with a cigar dangling from the edge on one side of his mouth while the other side is formed into a smile. Either Lois Lane or Clark Kent or both have done it again, they have scooped the rival newspaper, the Gazette, and the Daily Planet is going to take over the leadership in the city of Metropolis. Change the words City of Metropolis to ESMB and Perry White to Lakey and Lois and Clark to Johnny and you'll se why I am smiling.
Lakey

 

[FoTi]

OK - Understood. I make no promises. I will post when I can get to it, and I sincerely hop you will find my posts valuable and a least enjoyable. Best john

I've told you many times here that I loved your posts and wanted to hear what you had to say. I don't know how many times I have to say it for you to believe me. I DO ENJOY YOUR POSTS....DO YOU READ ME?

You also put out an invitation to call you. I did. You were too busy to talk at the time.....I understand that. I never heard back from you. You don't seem to really want to talk to me. I don't know why you put out the invitation. It's kind of conflicting and confusing to me. :confused2:

Whether you believe it or not, I care about what happens to you.

Have a nice lunch.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

The fact that you considered El Ron's penchant for stealing from, using and tricking others was not Hisself's case but was endemic was a useful communication for me (for what it's worth). I took it to mean that it was what El Ron does natively. In other words, the maxim "a cleared cannibal is a cleared cannibal" can be applied to El Ron. No amount of auditing, training or processing would reach so deep that it would get Ron to refrain from applying these traits which are native to his basic beingness.
To my knowledge, and please correct me if I am wrong, Mark is not a tech guy in the sense that he has personally studied tech on courses inside the Church and has his certificates, etc. I believe he is tech savy in that he may have done his own independent studies and discusses technical points often in his writings. The term "tech guy" may or may not apply, I don't know.
Lakey

Yep...that's what I meant.

I dunno...I got the impression that MAB was a techy. Either way, that doesn’t make much difference to me. I’m interested in what he’s got to say re: El Ron’s case and my comments.

As usual Lakey, you got good stuff.

Face

 

[FoTi]

On the 9th of August 2010, (Post # 428 on my old thread) This is NOT ok, asked:

Question for the Magic Thetan:

Per your own Chronicle, you have been or are channelling L. Ron Hubbard.

[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="7"]Why?...[/SIZE][/COLOR]

Actually I don't believe in my chronicles that I said I was channeling Ron. I did say in the first chronicle that I had become a channel. I believe that [COLOR="Blue"]BLUE SPIRIT[/COLOR] talked about his experiences talking to the entity that had an incarnation as L Ron, and it was assumed that I was the psychic telephone he was talking through. Please correct me if I have that wrong, for I always seek to keep session activities strictly confidential.

Anyway, here is the answer to the [SIZE="7"][COLOR="Red"]why?[/COLOR][/SIZE] question that [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Blue"]This is NOT ok[/COLOR][/SIZE] asked, and data for anyone else who might be interested. As I am only posting on the Apollo thread now, I am answering it here, and if anyone wants to forward it to him, please do.

[SIZE="3"]I channel someone because someone asks me to do so.[/SIZE]

:):woohoo: In every channeling session that I have done so far, the data has been valuable to the person who asked me to Channel. Sometimes it has been of immense benefit to the person.

:melodramatic: The person is never required to believe that the channeling is real. It is just what it is to the person it is presented to.

:):aliengreeting: In a channel session delivered by Darryl Anka, I once asked the supposed alien who called himself Bashar. “How do I know that you are REALLY an alien form another planet?”

:spacecraft:He never did answer the question. What he said was, [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Magenta"]“On your planet you have a tradition - a tradition of evaluating the source of the data, rather than the value of the data itself. It matters not if I am who I say I am. If the data serves you use it. If it doesn’t don’t.”[/COLOR][/SIZE]

I thought is was good advice.

This is often why I say things in my Johnny Raff Chronicles that are not just my story. They are things I think might be of value to people relative to their ability to create the life they want. However, with regard to my sometimes attempts to give people something of value, I will take Bashar’s attitude. If the data serves you, use it. If it doesn’t, don’t. And I will also add, if you don’t want to believe something, don’t. If you don’t want to read something don’t. If channeling is bullshit to you, please enjoy the bullshit, and if I am bullshit to you also, please enjoy your bullshit version of me.

:):ghost:The story of how I became a Tensor channel in my eyes, and the eyes of some people, is a long one. (tensor channel - someone who can purely channel information from a non-physical entity without adding in any interpretations, additions or alterations. In essence, the person has developed the ability to use their body as a cellular telephone that can tune to, and receive information from a non-physical spirit, entity or group of entities.) 

:nooo: When I first started to channel, I often felt that I was full of bullshit. I also noticed that my idea that it might all be bullshit greatly interfered with my ability to find out if it was real or not.

:confused2: I asked Bashar if this stuff was real or just my wild and crazy imagination. He replied, “What’s the difference?”

At the time his reply wasn’t all that valuable to me. So I just plotted on, and I keep working to handle my invalidation of the subject in the hope that it would assist me to find out if this ability to telepathically tune into another was real or not.

I became proficient at channeling when I relaxed my need to prove to myself whether it was true or not.

:love11: Periodically, my beloved wife Carolyn would ask me to channel all sorts of people because it was FUN for the both of us.

:):flowers: She asked me to channel Bruce Lee, because she loved him. She asked me to channel Elvis, for the same reason. We channeled all lots of different ET’s and departed loved ones. We had great times, and we got a lot of information that was of valuable to us.

:megaphone:When I was invited to Japan to do a series of seminars and one-to-one sessions, I was often asked to channel someone through a translator. That was most unusual for me, but I lot of fun. In Japan it seemed like the people of that culture more readily accepted channeling as simply something that  certain people could do. They always seemed to benefit from it.

:pixiedust:Now, after many hours and years of doing it, I find some experiences totally amazing, for I find I can address a seemingly unlimited number of aspects of  a spiritual being or entity. Bashar puts it that a being is infinitely faceted crystal that can reflect back to you any aspect of their beingness that your belief system energizes, and will allow. So I can speak with past and future aspects of the being, as well as aspects that are far grander than the identity constructs they energized when there were being a personality in a particular incarnation. The feelings and the information that comes through at times is a pure delight, for as they permeate into my consciousness, they offer a much gander view of what it is all about. Often I seem to become much more than I “normally” am when I channel, much more than the identity construct I return to after a session. However, every time I do it, I am changed, and there seems to be more of me than there was before. I discover that I am a new me each time, a new me, that is forever discovering “The Many Me-s I can be“.

So that’s why I channel.

:happydance: Someone asks me to, and it is fun.

:):fly2:Also sometimes a magnitude of good feelings and love floods into the room, that enables us to bask in the glory of life as it was meant to be.

:):heartflower:Love,
The Magic Thetan[/QUOTE]

I enjoyed reading this post.  Something to think about.  :)

 

[FoTi]

Standard Tech is something I didn't buy into.

It (the system) set forth programming a PC's case, doing FESes (folder error summaries) and includes OT levels 3 and a bunch of BT hunting bullshit.

I audit the person in front of me. By that I mean what he / she is sitting in this moment, what they want out of this session, not what some cookie cutter program says the "process for today is ___"

I would much rather give the PC what they, themselves want, than LRH's goals for them. I'd rather help someone be the tango dancer they want to be than the Sea Org reg they have the duty to be.

The famous story of Rock Hudson and the parking meter would not have happened with me. I'd have said, let's fix the meter, I'll meet you back here in ten minutes. BFD. The bureaucrat controlled programming of cases, C/Ses etc doesn't allow for contingencies.

These days I can find myself -- quite literally -- on a ski slope, on a beach, walking my dog downtown, cruising up the 10 from Santa Monica at 80mph while giving a session to someone thousands of miles away. I don't keep wrksheets, ARFs, use a meter, summary reports, etc.

My examiner is how the person is doing in life.

My sessions end in wins. My PCs don't get regged until they are broke and in deep water financially. They go off and live their lives.

Different system. No certs are awarded for auditing the person in front of you.

with a bow to B. Traven and Alfonso Bedoya, "Certs? We ain't got no certs. We don't need no certs. I don't have to show you any stinkin' certs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGcVhoHdRFo

Thanks. That's cool.

 

[FoTi]

Stat - Good to have you posting here. Based on your above post, you seem as if you are very "up" Stat.

NEWS FLASH - SCOOP, ALL APOLLO '73 READERS ARE IN FOR A TREAT!

I am meeting Blue and The Magic Thetan for lunch today. I am very excited! As always, when I get back to my computer later in the day. I will tell you "All the News that is Fit to Print". Of course, if TMT or Blue requests I not disclose something, I must honor that but otherwise, I will reveal what occurred at this luncheon.

Stat, I am going to check out your Title Page and so forth to see if you have revealed any of your personal history to date on ESMB. Is there anything you can say in this regard?
Lakey

Sounds like fun. Looking forward to what you can tell us.

 

[Blue Spirit]

Cramming & Ethics

Standard Tech is something I didn't buy into.

It (the system) set forth programming a PC's case, doing FESes (folder error summaries) and includes OT levels 3 and a bunch of BT hunting bullshit.

I audit the person in front of me. By that I mean what he / she is sitting in this moment, what they want out of this session, not what some cookie cutter program says the "process for today is ___"

I would much rather give the PC what they, themselves want, than LRH's goals for them. I'd rather help someone be the tango dancer they want to be than the Sea Org reg they have the duty to be.

The famous story of Rock Hudson and the parking meter would not have happened with me. I'd have said, let's fix the meter, I'll meet you back here in ten minutes. BFD. The bureaucrat controlled programming of cases, C/Ses etc doesn't allow for contingencies.

These days I can find myself -- quite literally -- on a ski slope, on a beach, walking my dog downtown, cruising up the 10 from Santa Monica at 80mph while giving a session to someone thousands of miles away. I don't keep wrksheets, ARFs, use a meter, summary reports, etc.

My examiner is how the person is doing in life.

My sessions end in wins. My PCs don't get regged until they are broke and in deep water financially. They go off and live their lives.

Different system. No certs are awarded for auditing the person in front of you.

with a bow to B. Traven and Alfonso Bedoya, "Certs? We ain't got no certs. We don't need no certs. I don't have to show you any stinkin' certs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGcVhoHdRFo

It is off to Cramming and Ethics for you, buster !

A very funny video.

After the fucking "Church" wasted so much of my life, this concept is totally

a breath of fresh air. Thank you for sharing your sane viewpoint with us.

Also thank you for coming out recently. You have my admiration.
(It won't be much longer for me in that regard, too)

P.S. = I've been in session with Carmelo and I can attest that he audits on
the phone with a presence as if he was sitting in front of you.
Spiritual Beings have the space they decide to have, and use it.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Thanks. That's cool.

Yes, FoTi...thanks, Carmelo...that is way cool.

Face

 

[Blue Spirit]

ADMIRATION

Maybe so...you're a Tech guy and maybe that's the right view.

If I recall correctly, the definition of case is: The whole sum of passed by-passed charge.

My opinion still is El Ron’s penchant for stealing from, using and tricking others was not Hisself’s case…it’s what El Ron does natively, instinctively did.

Face

I am not suggesting it for you, but I just had the thought that LRH's Evil Creations could be Admired for their skill, cunning,

and general quality of creation, as one might admire a good actor.

Doing this just might, possibly, conceivably cause some as-isness to occur.

This may be of some benefit, if it could be confronted.


Who wants to go first ??

 

[Blue Spirit]

Stories

Very good post, TMT, your best yet IMO.

I wanna hear more sometime about your daddy...sounds like he was one helluva character.

Face

Face, I have heard a number of those father stories, and they are funny and

demonstrate a being who did whatever the fuck he wanted to and let the chips

fall where they may. I'm sure they are part of the Chronicles.

Delightful Anticipation MODE needed here !

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

I am not suggesting it for you, but I just had the thought that LRH's Evil

Creations could be Admired for their skill, cunning, and general quality of

creation, as one might admire a good actor.

Doing this just might, possibly, conceivably cause some as-isness to occur.

This may be of some benefit, if it could be confronted.


Who wants to go first ??

Interesting idea, Blue.

I've already played the admire El Ron and Hisself's creations to full EP so I'm gonna sit this one out.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Face, I have heard a number of those father stories, and they are funny and

demonstrate a being who did whatever the fuck he wanted to and let the chips

fall where they may. I'm sure they are part of the Chronicles.

Delightful Anticipation MODE needed here !

 

[Blue Spirit]

More Questions To Come

Thanks again, Blue…you make some good observations and points here.

However, I must say this from my perspective; If El Ron thinks anything on the negative side was left behind through the fact of departing the body, he’s in for one helluva shock some day, some where.

Hope you have a good time with life…it’s the best game in town.

Face

I am familiar enough with the Tech to have had some wins, and I expect many more to come up through clear.
I won't do the OT levels that are used today.
I've had too many warnings from beings in the know.
Also LRH told me the story of OT-3 is false, although gains can & do occur.

The point of this post is to say that I intend to probe into his present negative condition more with session comms of a two-way nature.
I do know there is much truth in your writings about "El Ron" and I intend to get to the bottom of it, sooner or later.
Probably it is best done later when I become OT enough, but curiousity demands some of it to be done sooner.

When I have some more results, I will post it for others use, or not.
He is at least aware of and admitting to his insanity, which he's confronted partially.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

I am familiar enough with the Tech to have had some wins, and I expect many more to come up through clear.
I won't do the OT levels that are used today.
I've had too many warnings from beings in the know.
Also LRH told me the story of OT-3 is false, although gains can & do occur.

The point of this post is to say that I intend to probe into his present negative condition more with session comms of a two-way nature.
I do know there is much truth in your writings about "El Ron" and I intend to get to the bottom of it, sooner or later.
Probably it is best done later when I become OT enough, but curiousity demands some of it to be done sooner.

When I have some more results, I will let you know.
He is at least aware of and admitting to his insanity, which he's confronted partially.

Okay, pardner...let "er buck.

Face

 

[Blue Spirit]

My Intention

Interesting idea, Blue.

I've already played the admire El Ron and Hisself's creations to full EP so I'm gonna sit this one out.

Face

Face, regarding El Ron, I understand and accept your viewpoint, and don't wish to change it.

I still have not gotten totally over the shock of discovering his bad side.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Face, regarding El Ron, I understand and accept your viewpoint, and don't wish to change it.

I still have not gotten totally over the shock of discovering his bad side.

Thank You, Blue. I understand...I truly do understand you, Pardner.

I wasn’t being snide or facetious when I said I’d already played that game to EP.

It was part of my path and is part of your path.

Face

 

[FoTi]

I am familiar enough with the Tech to have had some wins, and I expect many more to come up through clear.
I won't do the OT levels that are used today.
I've had too many warnings from beings in the know.
Also LRH told me the story of OT-3 is false, although gains can & do occur.

The point of this post is to say that I intend to probe into his present negative condition more with session comms of a two-way nature.
I do know there is much truth in your writings about "El Ron" and I intend to get to the bottom of it, sooner or later.
Probably it is best done later when I become OT enough, but curiousity demands some of it to be done sooner.

When I have some more results, I will post it for others use, or not.
He is at least aware of and admitting to his insanity, which he's confronted partially.

Looking forward to whatever results you have to post. I find this very interesting.