The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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That's pretty good Lakey! Well done.
I once had two precl;ears I was auditing at the same time and they somehow took an instant dielike to each other. No reason for it and they didn't even mention it, but I noticed that while each one was very chatty and gregarious they were never that with each other.
Anyway I was auditing each one - seperatlety of course - and the one ran an incident of being in a holding cage prior to be sent out on the Roman arena to be beaten up by a gladiator and fed to the lions. And he went on about how shit this was these gladiators would come in to the holding pens before the show and would get these victims all worked up and pissed off. They would taunt them and so on - real shit behaviour obn their part, he said.
We ran the incident and all well, got our EP and so on.
And then a week or two later I'm auditing the other guiy and bugger me, he runs the identical incident from the gladiator's viewpoint, how trhey'd have fun getting these barstards stirred up and pissed off, and how great it was having such a strong body and all the girls admire you and all these punk victims - christians and criminals and shitfaces like that, how the cowered and squirmed. We got that flattened too.
And yet these two never got to hear about the other's incident, they never changed their attitude to the other. Nothing. All quite amazing for a young auditor to witness.
I think there is a lot more of past life aquaintances getting together agaion this lifetime than we realise. I remember too once I was course supervising as a stand-in on a weekend when the sup had libs. There was a young guy on course, a newbie on the comm course, and I just felt this tremendous affection for him, a sort of "wow, it's so good to have you here" type of feeling. And I noticed this feeling in myself and couldn't spot what it was all about. Later after course I chatted with him a bit to see who he was exactly - he's been an officer in the navy but left because he wanted to study to be a doctor and was going off to uni in another city but wanted to do this comm course first. I walked with him to his car and said bye-bye. he got in and I closed his door for him, and right at that moment it hit me who this was and I blew a stack of charge like you can't believe. Just WHHOOOOSSSHHH Wow Wow total blowdown. I realised he was my father who had died when I was six years old. It blew me away. (wait - Ive got another story too - I'm on a roll now) back to this guy - I checked up on his sign-up form to see how old he was - was born less that a year after my father died. Now as background - my father was a civil engineer but he had always wanted to be a doctor. The only reason he studied engineering was that he's won a scholarship competition for engineering and so he took it up. And his own godfather and favourite uncle was - yep, a sea captain on one of the old cape horn sailing ships. My father BTW grew up in Chile in Sout America. But that charge I blew - it was just fantastic.
And the other story - I told you I was on a roll - I've just had a good glass of wine, that must be it. Anyway another guy on staff and myself we often went off very early on a Sunday morning to a place near Cape Town where we could hire horses and we'd go for an early morning ride through the bush down to the beach. All so early that we has the place to ourselves. Was great. Afterwards when we had sorted the horses out and so on we'd split up - he had a wife. I didn't at that time, so I'd stop somewhere on the way home and have a breakfast at some food joint. The one time I was sitting there eating and readin the paper I sort of became aware out of the corner of my eye that there was a kid watching me from the side. I looked around and BANG, Fusk what was that - a huge explosion in my face WOW what a relief! and I looked at the kid and he gave me this lovely smile and I thought Thank Christ you're OK, good to see you!. And he just turned and went back to his parents where they werre sitting. It was some long gone incident of the two of us in some spacecraft thing that blew up after I stuffed up on something. At the time I felt bad about it because I'd brought about his death. Lots of charge there too.
One more story - this one is not mine but a friend's. She grew up on a farm about 100k's from Cape Town. Water is scarce in that part of the world so they relied a lot on irrigation sprinklers, for which galvanised pipes would be laid out and connected up. being South Africa it was normal to use black or coloured labour to do the laying out of the pipes. These labours were - at that time - for the most part, illiterate and unsophisticated.There knowledge of things pretty much came from what the preacher told them from the bible. Anyway she told me this story how once she was watching them lay these pipes out and afterwards one of them came over to her and said that he used to lay pipes out once before long long ago - "before I was this person I am now" he said. "But they weren't on the ground, they were sort of floating in the air. There wasn't any ground. We were floating in the air too and I was joining these pipes that were shiny just like these. It was far from the world" he said. "Very far from this world".
That's enough stories for now. Sleep tight.
I once had two precl;ears I was auditing at the same time and they somehow took an instant dielike to each other. No reason for it and they didn't even mention it, but I noticed that while each one was very chatty and gregarious they were never that with each other.
Anyway I was auditing each one - seperatlety of course - and the one ran an incident of being in a holding cage prior to be sent out on the Roman arena to be beaten up by a gladiator and fed to the lions. And he went on about how shit this was these gladiators would come in to the holding pens before the show and would get these victims all worked up and pissed off. They would taunt them and so on - real shit behaviour obn their part, he said.
We ran the incident and all well, got our EP and so on.
And then a week or two later I'm auditing the other guiy and bugger me, he runs the identical incident from the gladiator's viewpoint, how trhey'd have fun getting these barstards stirred up and pissed off, and how great it was having such a strong body and all the girls admire you and all these punk victims - christians and criminals and shitfaces like that, how the cowered and squirmed. We got that flattened too.
And yet these two never got to hear about the other's incident, they never changed their attitude to the other. Nothing. All quite amazing for a young auditor to witness.
I think there is a lot more of past life aquaintances getting together agaion this lifetime than we realise. I remember too once I was course supervising as a stand-in on a weekend when the sup had libs. There was a young guy on course, a newbie on the comm course, and I just felt this tremendous affection for him, a sort of "wow, it's so good to have you here" type of feeling. And I noticed this feeling in myself and couldn't spot what it was all about. Later after course I chatted with him a bit to see who he was exactly - he's been an officer in the navy but left because he wanted to study to be a doctor and was going off to uni in another city but wanted to do this comm course first. I walked with him to his car and said bye-bye. he got in and I closed his door for him, and right at that moment it hit me who this was and I blew a stack of charge like you can't believe. Just WHHOOOOSSSHHH Wow Wow total blowdown. I realised he was my father who had died when I was six years old. It blew me away. (wait - Ive got another story too - I'm on a roll now) back to this guy - I checked up on his sign-up form to see how old he was - was born less that a year after my father died. Now as background - my father was a civil engineer but he had always wanted to be a doctor. The only reason he studied engineering was that he's won a scholarship competition for engineering and so he took it up. And his own godfather and favourite uncle was - yep, a sea captain on one of the old cape horn sailing ships. My father BTW grew up in Chile in Sout America. But that charge I blew - it was just fantastic.
And the other story - I told you I was on a roll - I've just had a good glass of wine, that must be it. Anyway another guy on staff and myself we often went off very early on a Sunday morning to a place near Cape Town where we could hire horses and we'd go for an early morning ride through the bush down to the beach. All so early that we has the place to ourselves. Was great. Afterwards when we had sorted the horses out and so on we'd split up - he had a wife. I didn't at that time, so I'd stop somewhere on the way home and have a breakfast at some food joint. The one time I was sitting there eating and readin the paper I sort of became aware out of the corner of my eye that there was a kid watching me from the side. I looked around and BANG, Fusk what was that - a huge explosion in my face WOW what a relief! and I looked at the kid and he gave me this lovely smile and I thought Thank Christ you're OK, good to see you!. And he just turned and went back to his parents where they werre sitting. It was some long gone incident of the two of us in some spacecraft thing that blew up after I stuffed up on something. At the time I felt bad about it because I'd brought about his death. Lots of charge there too.
One more story - this one is not mine but a friend's. She grew up on a farm about 100k's from Cape Town. Water is scarce in that part of the world so they relied a lot on irrigation sprinklers, for which galvanised pipes would be laid out and connected up. being South Africa it was normal to use black or coloured labour to do the laying out of the pipes. These labours were - at that time - for the most part, illiterate and unsophisticated.There knowledge of things pretty much came from what the preacher told them from the bible. Anyway she told me this story how once she was watching them lay these pipes out and afterwards one of them came over to her and said that he used to lay pipes out once before long long ago - "before I was this person I am now" he said. "But they weren't on the ground, they were sort of floating in the air. There wasn't any ground. We were floating in the air too and I was joining these pipes that were shiny just like these. It was far from the world" he said. "Very far from this world".
That's enough stories for now. Sleep tight.
CarmeloOrchards
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You were very much on a roll! any more you care to share any time, please do.
One story. Our youngest child was the type of person that we were wanting. We wanted a girl, smart, and able.
Unbeknownst to us, in a different part of the country, An auditor was running out bad auditing on another auditor, who was dying. He had her envision her future body, life, and location for her next lifetime. The lady died.
Our daughter was born a little over a year later. My first thought when seeing her in my hands was "This is ____". I kept that to myself.
She worked in the entertainment industry from the time she was three. She had SAG and AFTRA (actors' unions) cards at 4. She was smart. We live in Silicon Valley - that is important. She related well with the assortment of folk that we had around the house.
When she was in sixth grade, she realized that not all her classmates knew what an ARC break was.
When she was 15, I took her to Dallas for a co auditing course. She twinned with Roy Kerswill (a Class Vlll & world famous western artist), and I twinned with Betty Kerswill, Roy's wife. My daughter gave a Class Vl auditor "the best session of his life"
Later I had the opportunity to chew the fat on many occasions with the guy, who ran the place. In more phone calls than I can count he'd be talking about this woman who died and then without even a comma be talking about my daughter or vice versa. Finally I asked him about this. He hadn't even noticed. The woman I thought on her birth was the same person being talked about.
Hatshepsut
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That is interesting indeed when you can remember another's previous existence and they cannot or you can see their mental image pictures and read their stories.
I had never considered that I knew my mother before. As a mom/daughter relationship not much was restimulated. However in an adult female/adult female scenario things began to get sticky.
I could see a past existence of mom's where it ended badly. It always had this horse trotting in front of a carriage coming over the little bridge crossing a brook on the property. I could sense the Belgium influence and guns and Indians and forest skirmishes. All the snow. Only once in a while I would get lately the full impact of the insanity when she lost control. The huge knife chopping up and down in anger on parts of the horses' carcass on a table in the barn. The body of the teenage sister in a large type basin. The kind of thing one ignores when it does not fit into the 'role' of a mom.
So anyway, we are driving down a snowy road to go Christmas shopping. I am still unnerved about the images of mom 'losing it' and all that blood and anger. (And I think my valence was that horse by the way
) And it wasn't because she was starving and needed to eat. She was pissed off royally and getting even. So in the car I am missing the withhold, triggered by being in her space. There are piles of snow on the curbside as we sit at the light to turn into the mall parking area. I have been thinking of this horse as the mall is away from the urban center and out where it is more wooded. All of a sudden Mom starts talking about having the horses and the barn when she grew up on the farm. She points to the snow and comments how they got scolded for running the horses through the deep piles cause their dad was worried that a leg would break not knowing what was underneath the piles. I asked why she did it anyway knowing a horse might have to be put down. She said because it was fun. Needless to say I was unnerved.I used to run into people I knew all the time when I was active in the C of S. I think this is because the group members are of a certain 'bent' and birds of a feather flock together. We are also attuned to handling mental image pictures and not invalidating intuition about other existences. I do not so much any more run into as many folks who I have past associations with.
The love relationships are the stickiest. The heartbreakers. There is always unfinished communications. Incomplete cycles of drama needing to be acted out. It seems a couple of men in my life I have had past track with. I am surprised at how often it goes from lover, to infant child in the future, and back around. We definitely have bonds with some folks. But sometimes I am skeptical because there is a cross transference of roles.
I think certain scenarios are desiring to be acted out in anyone's closet of pet dramatizations. They are potential. Maybe things one would like to experience the other flow on. I've seen where groups of anima carried around can have each their own role to play on 'stage' when the favored script goes into re-enactment. Each group unit can slide over and occupy a person in the environment resembling one contained in the original in an effort to complete the needed experience on that issue. This is why I am not so quick to own identities without inspection when I sense them in my space.
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Ted
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lkwdblds
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Kudos to Leon, Carmelo and Hats!!
Leon, thankis for telling us all those juicy anecdotes from you past track!! The ones in the Roman Coliseum I found particularly interesting. I ran one myself having to do with the ancient Roman Coliseum in 1973 in my XDN, running it R3R style.
I have vivid recall of being a particpant in the battles taking place for gore and entertainment in ancient Rome but I was not a gladiator nor a victim to be killed by a strong and skilled gladiator. I was the "matchmaker". I was Jewish and overweight and I booked various gladiator's to compete with one another. I made the matches, negotiated their contracts and all of that stuff; sort of a 1st century white, Jewish version of Don King the well known boxing matchmaker of the late 20th century.
Like Don King, I was an unsavory character and a bit slimmy and unethical but entertaining and colorful.
Anyway, Leon, your anecdotes were very intersting and tied in with the theme of past life reconnection! Write some more of them in you see fit to do so!
Ditto Carmelo! Fantastic stories on past life reconnections, expecially with your amazingly gifted daughter!
Also thanks Hats, what you posted on this topic is quite interesting. Often when I am doing massages on people, I pick up pictures of theirs which they currently have restimulated. It is usually mundane stuff involving minor this life minor car accidents, items being misplaced or being under pressure to get a report done before a certain deadline. If a person has a headache or a tense neck, shoulder, or of all things, triceps muscle you can be almost assured that pictures are floating around in the vicinity of their head. Usually when you touch points on the head while massaging, some of that energy dissapates through you and into the ground. These comments are based on my extensive empirical experience.
Lakey
Leon, thankis for telling us all those juicy anecdotes from you past track!! The ones in the Roman Coliseum I found particularly interesting. I ran one myself having to do with the ancient Roman Coliseum in 1973 in my XDN, running it R3R style.
I have vivid recall of being a particpant in the battles taking place for gore and entertainment in ancient Rome but I was not a gladiator nor a victim to be killed by a strong and skilled gladiator. I was the "matchmaker". I was Jewish and overweight and I booked various gladiator's to compete with one another. I made the matches, negotiated their contracts and all of that stuff; sort of a 1st century white, Jewish version of Don King the well known boxing matchmaker of the late 20th century.
Like Don King, I was an unsavory character and a bit slimmy and unethical but entertaining and colorful.
Anyway, Leon, your anecdotes were very intersting and tied in with the theme of past life reconnection! Write some more of them in you see fit to do so!
Ditto Carmelo! Fantastic stories on past life reconnections, expecially with your amazingly gifted daughter!
Also thanks Hats, what you posted on this topic is quite interesting. Often when I am doing massages on people, I pick up pictures of theirs which they currently have restimulated. It is usually mundane stuff involving minor this life minor car accidents, items being misplaced or being under pressure to get a report done before a certain deadline. If a person has a headache or a tense neck, shoulder, or of all things, triceps muscle you can be almost assured that pictures are floating around in the vicinity of their head. Usually when you touch points on the head while massaging, some of that energy dissapates through you and into the ground. These comments are based on my extensive empirical experience.
Lakey
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Ted
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I would agree that some beings have incomplete cycles of drama, or their most desired drama, to act out.
While an ARCX is defined as a lowering of affinity, reality, and/or communication, I have always felt that a sudden rise in ARC could also be viewed as a break. That would be a break with a lower level of ARC and thus a loss of terminals and havingness. Out ruds are just a form of havingness as are other aspects of case.
For me the motivating force in a game or relationship has always been the ascension, the rocket rise in ARC. I felt this even as a kid playing with other kids in the yard or playgrounds. So I am not limiting this thought to relations of a sexual nature. The heartbreaker is the missed opportunity to carry on with the ascension leaving the unanswered question: "How high is really high?" or "How high can we take this?"
lkwdblds
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Go, go, go!
You tell em gurl !
I actually agree with Diana Class VIII on virtually everything. We have only one tiny disagreement concerning stoppages of our video tape which is inconsequential.
With that in mind, I second your urging to Diana to "Go, go, go!"
Lakey
lkwdblds
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Please continue your fine posts.
You tell em gurl !
Well, I don't know if you read the whole thing...LOL! Or if anybdy cares what I have to say...LOL...but I still like to come here and rant sometimes, depending of my mood for the day...LOL!!!:dancer:
I, for one, care about what you have to say. Rants are fine, usually very entertaining and often lead to interesting discussions.
If anyone reads the dialogue between you and me completely, they will see that on virtually every point which was taken up, we have agreement. There was absolutely zero intention on my part to be adversarial with you.
Lakey
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I've deleted my post.
MattD
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Really?
This is from DartSmohen:
"No one has EVER got rid of all the beings in their space. It is an impossibility to do so. All this self-delusion about being "all alone" is nothing more than mental masturbation. An excuse to relieve the poor mug of as much loot as you can.
"The clue can be found in two basic statements; it is engramic to force a being to be in a space they do not wish to be in. It is engramic to force a being out of a space they want to be in.
"Ok, so you drive a bring out of your space. Now they are upset. What have you created? a vacuum. In comes another.
"Now take this further. What happens if you have centres where this idiotic activity is going on, places like Asho's Flag etc. You drive a being out, you are just as likely to pick up someone else's upset being coming in, complete with their own "baggage" stirred up.
"Did you ever wonder why so many people died on NOT's? Why people committed suicide on OT3 and NOTS ?, strokes ? heart attacks ? cancers ?
"How many people have been left penniless, their lives turned upside down, families broken up, all because of this insane and obscene dream ?
"Do you think Hubbard didn't know what was going on ? Do you think that despite his own phobias that he knew deep down that it was never going to work, but what a great marketing tool. How much cash has been poured into the cult in the name of these pointless activities. (Let us not forget the well-intentioned FZ and RO). :confused2:
"Try working WITH those beings around you, rather than against them. You might just be pleasantly surprised by the results."
tl;dr forcing entities away bad, releasing mutual charge good.
The whole point of ot3 and NOTS is to audit the so called BT's, using fairly standard lower level processes too. The goal being releasing them, not blowing them out of your space with force!
The experience of them blowing, is the release of mutual charge. There is no reason you and they cannot coexist afterwards, and sometimes no reason TO.
I keep reading people knocking these levels because the supposed goal is to blow away entities. I think some people have a slight misunderstanding about the levels. And maybe this is why some suffered ill effects from running them.
Matt
MattD
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My idea is that so called theta can move in the time stream back and forth. Really there is only present time, so a so called thetan could run a body in a certain time frame and go back and run another in the same time frame. Personal universe time does not have to coincide with agreed universe time! And if they meet?
Matt
CarmeloOrchards
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MattD,
Welcome. It's nice to have another deep thinker aboard.
Welcome. It's nice to have another deep thinker aboard.
Veda
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Are you channelling LRH too?
On the Earthly plane, per the Hubbard materials of the 1960s&1970s, the final step on the above levels is blowing the BT or BT cluster. All other actions lead to the final step of having the BT leave. The most used final words on OT3/NOTs Repair lists are "Blow him."
Mark A. Baker
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Well, Lakey, since in the freezone "loyalists" not only do not attack lrh, neither do they tolerate public impugning of his integrity. They do not publicly acknowledge any of the disreputable aspects of his record or conduct, nor have they any regard for those who do.
Both Aida & Terril fully acknowledge Hubbard's faults, nor does either consider their own use of tech to be in any way beholden to Hubbard's "good reputation". You were mistaken in your prior statements. As I said, the last "loyalist" to routinely post on esmb in my recollection was John Nunez, and he left quite some time back.
It is precisely because false views about the freezoners on the board are routinely posted in an effort to discredit them and the freezone more generally that I have made the point of correcting you.
My prior remark stands. I can't think of a regular poster on esmb who would qualify as a "loyalist". A few have been proponents of "standard tech". Considerably more are generally "pro-tech" in that they advocate either "scientology standard tech" or a form of spiritual tech which is derived from or in some fashion similar to scientology tech. None hold themselves as being personally loyal to LRH, holding that personal loyalty as definitive.
Mark A. Baker
Ted
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I used to have a friend who was certain that success in life was not entirely dependent on who you know but also who you blow. How he arrived at this "knowledge" I do not know.
He never studied scientology.
Maybe Hubbard was onto something.
Then again, perhaps the final words on OT-3 and NOTs repair lists should have been the final word from Hubbard, "Blow me."
Ted
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Channeling Hubbard
Should I run into Hubbard or any piece of him that might be hanging around, I will channel him to Perdition where he belongs and where he can activate his Ideal Morgue program. Since this, I feel, is the correction action and thus most helpful, does that make me a loyalist?
:confused2:
Should I run into Hubbard or any piece of him that might be hanging around, I will channel him to Perdition where he belongs and where he can activate his Ideal Morgue program. Since this, I feel, is the correction action and thus most helpful, does that make me a loyalist?
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lkwdblds
Crusader
OT III is worse than NOTs in this regard.
Isn't it true that on OTIII. the BT's are run through 2 incidents once they are located. First Incident 2 is run and then incident 1. Incident 1 is very early on the track and they are run through this with the intention of having them run out this very basic incident so that they will be gone, i.e. "blow". That's the way the level was when I ran it in the 70's.
On NOTs a different procedure was run but it seems that we were still asked to get them to blow.
Roger B. (and perhaps others) has suggested a step where the pre OT is asked whether or not he wants to keep the BT around or have it leave. The Pre OT has a personal choice in this matter instead of always shooting for the BT to leave. Introducing this step seems to greatly improve the results of NOTs style auditing.
If this step is introduced into NOTs, then the body of your post can be applied. However, my experience in C of S, last session in 1993, was that the auditor and the pc were always going for a blow. Having a BT with its charge dissipated and the BT doing well and then sticking around in the pre OT's space was never allowed to happen. On audited NOTs, which is as far as I went, thank God, there was no option to leave a deabberated BT staying in the pre OT's space.
Maybe on Solo NOTs this was an option but I doubt it. Maybe those who have done Solo NOTs can clear up my doubts on this matter.
Another key element in these levels was the use of running "havingness" at the end of a session. The idea is to fill the vacuum created so that it is not re occupied by new BT's. This has some workability but even with this step introduced, new BT's tend to replace the old; it just seems to occur at a much slower pace if havingness is run.
Lakey
Isn't it true that on OTIII. the BT's are run through 2 incidents once they are located. First Incident 2 is run and then incident 1. Incident 1 is very early on the track and they are run through this with the intention of having them run out this very basic incident so that they will be gone, i.e. "blow". That's the way the level was when I ran it in the 70's.
On NOTs a different procedure was run but it seems that we were still asked to get them to blow.
Roger B. (and perhaps others) has suggested a step where the pre OT is asked whether or not he wants to keep the BT around or have it leave. The Pre OT has a personal choice in this matter instead of always shooting for the BT to leave. Introducing this step seems to greatly improve the results of NOTs style auditing.
If this step is introduced into NOTs, then the body of your post can be applied. However, my experience in C of S, last session in 1993, was that the auditor and the pc were always going for a blow. Having a BT with its charge dissipated and the BT doing well and then sticking around in the pre OT's space was never allowed to happen. On audited NOTs, which is as far as I went, thank God, there was no option to leave a deabberated BT staying in the pre OT's space.
Maybe on Solo NOTs this was an option but I doubt it. Maybe those who have done Solo NOTs can clear up my doubts on this matter.
Another key element in these levels was the use of running "havingness" at the end of a session. The idea is to fill the vacuum created so that it is not re occupied by new BT's. This has some workability but even with this step introduced, new BT's tend to replace the old; it just seems to occur at a much slower pace if havingness is run.
Lakey
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