The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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FoTi
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Hat, have you watched all 15 of the videos on the first link and all 15 of the videos on the 2nd link and all the videos on the 3rd link? I'm having trouble keeping up with all this, since you keep adding more videos to the post..... It's fascinating. How am I ever going to get any sleep?
Ted
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Compassion & Kindness
A little kindness, a little compassion, watch the video to near the end to learn of the affect 5 minutes of kindness 70+ years earlier had on a 90-year old man suffering dementia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DGeLvDw8I
A little kindness, a little compassion, watch the video to near the end to learn of the affect 5 minutes of kindness 70+ years earlier had on a 90-year old man suffering dementia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DGeLvDw8I
afaceinthecrowd
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afaceinthecrowd
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Today’s Menu was:
Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio and/or Ruffino Chianti Classico Riserva Ducal Oro
Romaine, Red Cabbage, Radish, Black Olive & Avocado Tossed Salad in Red Wine Vinegar/Olive Oil/Greek Seasoning Vinaigrette, Sprinkled with shredded Romano, Parmesan and Asiago Cheese
Sliced Beefsteak Tomatoes, Cucumbers & Sweet Onions Marinated in Apple Cider Vinegar & Ground Sea Salt and Black Pepper
Idaho Potatoes, Wrapped in Foil with Butter, Ground Sea Salt & Black Pepper, Baked on Mesquite Coals (note: to turn out properly, potatoes must be left on coals while of menu item is cooked)
Red Wine, Herb & Spice Marinated Thick, Center Cut Prime Sirloin Grilled on Mesquite Coals
McIntosh Apple Cobbler & Homemade French Vanilla Ice Cream
Family, Friends, Food = Fun Cubed.
Face
Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio and/or Ruffino Chianti Classico Riserva Ducal Oro
Romaine, Red Cabbage, Radish, Black Olive & Avocado Tossed Salad in Red Wine Vinegar/Olive Oil/Greek Seasoning Vinaigrette, Sprinkled with shredded Romano, Parmesan and Asiago Cheese
Sliced Beefsteak Tomatoes, Cucumbers & Sweet Onions Marinated in Apple Cider Vinegar & Ground Sea Salt and Black Pepper
Idaho Potatoes, Wrapped in Foil with Butter, Ground Sea Salt & Black Pepper, Baked on Mesquite Coals (note: to turn out properly, potatoes must be left on coals while of menu item is cooked)
Red Wine, Herb & Spice Marinated Thick, Center Cut Prime Sirloin Grilled on Mesquite Coals
McIntosh Apple Cobbler & Homemade French Vanilla Ice Cream
Family, Friends, Food = Fun Cubed.
Face
Ted
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Today’s Menu was:
Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio and/or Ruffino Chianti Classico Riserva Ducal Oro
Romaine, Red Cabbage, Radish, Black Olive & Avocado Tossed Salad in Red Wine Vinegar/Olive Oil/Greek Seasoning Vinaigrette, Sprinkled with shredded Romano, Parmesan and Asiago Cheese
Sliced Beefsteak Tomatoes, Cucumbers & Sweet Onions Marinated in Apple Cider Vinegar & Ground Sea Salt and Black Pepper
Idaho Potatoes, Wrapped in Foil with Butter, Ground Sea Salt & Black Pepper, Baked on Mesquite Coals (note: to turn out properly, potatoes must be left on coals while of menu item is cooked)
Red Wine, Herb & Spice Marinated Thick, Center Cut Prime Sirloin Grilled on Mesquite Coals
McIntosh Apple Cobbler & Homemade French Vanilla Ice Cream
Family, Friends, Food = Fun Cubed.
Face
That's some good braggin'!
afaceinthecrowd
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Ted
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Wow, that was a bit of a tear-jerker, Ted. Quite wonderful, the goodness of the people it revealed.
I remember that kind of thing as a kid during the war.
Good to have been reminded of it
R
Ya. Interesting from several different angles.
I am amazed at how relevant items keep appearing in my mail box in a timely fashion.
About compassion, too bad many of the definitions we use come from old experience or even someone else's old experience. It kind of ties the definition down with limitations. The old dictionaries refer to the Christ experience of compassion. I find this very limiting. But what to do? If I just made up a word to describe what I mean, no one would understand until enough people with similar experiences began to talk about it. Alan Walter's coining the term AE or Ascension Experience has that affect. Now that we've had some, we can kind of talk about it--kind of. Each experience is so unique.
Many years ago I popped out of session for a short break. My C/S told me that one of my pc's, a fellow staffer, had just learned through a phone call that her grandmother had died. The pc was beside herself. I took her into session. No routing form, no payment, no nothing, just me, the pc, and the loss. The C/S was something simple like, "Find out what it is then run it out."
We came out of the room some time later. The loss remained--her grandmother was physically gone. But the disorientation evaporated, and the love for that other being both remained and blossomed. And the pc knew for sure at that time that she was not alone in her experience. She had the support of her friend the auditor, the C/S, her other friends, etc. Life goes on.
I am no longer auditing. The pc is long gone from staff. The auditing room where the magic occurred now serves some other purpose. The Mission is gone. L. Ron Hubbard is dead. Scientology is dying. That C/S is dead. A few of the other auditors there at the time are dead. We no longer live in San Diego but across the country from each other.
I saw that pc, my dear friend, a few years ago. We hadn't seen each other in years. The conversation at the dinner table was as if we had not been separated by time or space or experience. It went to what a good friend I had been in her time of need. She wanted my daughter to know. Few words were spoken. Few words were needed to convey exactly how she felt. It's something between she and I that could not otherwise be explained. Such is the affect of a bit of kindness and compassion.
Auditor's Toad
Clear as Mud
"I kinda go by the philosophy that when it comes to guests and food, “Why waste time overdoin' somethin' when you can do it to complete excess.”
Damned fine philosophy.
No wonder you are so likeable.
Damned fine philosophy.
No wonder you are so likeable.
afaceinthecrowd
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afaceinthecrowd
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Thank you. A toddy for ya, Toady.
Youz sure enough damned likeable yerself
…warts and all!
Face
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Today’s Menu was:
Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio and/or Ruffino Chianti Classico Riserva Ducal Oro
Romaine, Red Cabbage, Radish, Black Olive & Avocado Tossed Salad in Red Wine Vinegar/Olive Oil/Greek Seasoning Vinaigrette, Sprinkled with shredded Romano, Parmesan and Asiago Cheese
Sliced Beefsteak Tomatoes, Cucumbers & Sweet Onions Marinated in Apple Cider Vinegar & Ground Sea Salt and Black Pepper
Idaho Potatoes, Wrapped in Foil with Butter, Ground Sea Salt & Black Pepper, Baked on Mesquite Coals (note: to turn out properly, potatoes must be left on coals while of menu item is cooked)
Red Wine, Herb & Spice Marinated Thick, Center Cut Prime Sirloin Grilled on Mesquite Coals
McIntosh Apple Cobbler & Homemade French Vanilla Ice Cream
Family, Friends, Food = Fun Cubed.
Face
MMMMmmmmm....Yumm. Such a nice party.
Hatshepsut
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Very touching. Good post Ted.
Hatshepsut
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Yeah, I've seen em all over the past week FoTi. I cannot say I believe this idea of humans being loaded onto ships at all. However, on many points of the Nov 2010 interview with Aaron McCallom, I am impressed. What he says resonates. Not the Shambala or the Agartha stuff, but other things. Sensitives can sometimes be very unstable. I am cautious about their interpretations of things. Still picking and choosing.
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Hatshepsut
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I'd seen that Nebraska canteen story before.... on TV last year. A different edit. The mighty effect those women had
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Ted
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Service Facs
About that service facsimile thing, I wanted to add a few comments. Why? It's probably some of the most productive and fun auditing you will ever do. Some of the crazy things that come out of the pc's mouth may well have both pc and auditor rolling with laughter. Once you understand what to look for, you can even run this stuff solo to some degree. I say, "to some degree," because it is after all a service fac, perceived to be of some value by the pc, so he might not be all that willing to give it up all by his lonesome.
The level used to be called Habit Release. Do you have some persisting condition or habit that you just can't shake? This could be the answer.
Highlights from HCOB Anatomy of a Service Facsimile
Note that it is a computation, not a doingness, beingness, or havingness.
The pc adopted this because he couldn't stand the confusion in a situation. So he adopted a safe solution. [The safe solution is the service facsimile.]
An idea is the thing most easily substituted for a thetan.
Those things which do not respond to routine auditing, that routine auditing won't change, are rooted in this mechanism. <sarcasm> Better for the GI to develop new rundowns than to find and clear the pc's bag of service facs. </sarcasm>
The service fac is as insidious as it pretends to align with survival. [See AP&A for the exact quote. What that means is some service facs appear perfectly logical. Perfectly logical.]
[When people learn the ser fac is a computation they figure it must be some Boolean if/then equation. This is wrong. Any idea used as a fixed solution is material for a wonderful ser fac.]
The Process
List and Null for the exact computation. Then run the item found in brackets. This is where it gets really screwy as a process. Why?
It is simple, basic auditing that anything the auditor desires the pc to answer must be explicitly stated in the auditing command/question. If you wish to know if birds fly, the question is, "Do birds fly?" The question is not, "Do any of God's creatures fly?"
The first listing question for serfacs is, "In this lifetime, what do you use to make others wrong?" In honest answer to the question, the pc can come up with anything, any Be, Do, Have, fixed idea, whatever. Pc's will do that, and when the listing question F/Ns that's it. The listing is complete per the laws of L&N whether you have found a service fac or not.
The appropriate question, if you are looking for a computation, is, "In this lifetime, what computation do you use to make others wrong?" That question will get you closer to the desired answer without violating basic auditing.
But the ser fac is said to build up mass which will be run off with the bracket process. My question is, "Why go through the mass to find the ser fac? Isn't that the hard way to go about it?" I think so.
We know that the ser fac breeds beingness, doinginess, and havingness. Why not approach it from that angle. Trust me, it's a whole helluva lot easier to go in that way.
So stick with the basic question: "In this lifetime, what do you use to make others wrong?" Just what do you use?
The pc's says anything that answers the question for the pc. "How about (sex, money, power, any emotion, and so on)."
Money is a good one for example. Haven't you ever met a snob who uses money, power, and position to make you or someone you know feel like shit? Have you ever seen someone treat the waitress or hired help like dirt? Some of these types won't even talk to you, they won't even look at you.
So your pc's says, "Money, I have lots of it," because in his mind it's perfectly logical and right. He can't escape the "truth" of what he just said.
"In this lifetime, how does having lots of money make you right?" and now you are off to the waterfall. The pc's is paddling his own canoe, and he's headed for the falls, and there's nothing he can do to stop it because he has lots of money and he's so damn right for it. The others are so damn wrong for not having lots of money, and he's going to prove it to you as he speaks.
Most of the answers are justifications, and you the auditor can follow along with some logic. I mean, it actually makes some sense what the pc is saying. Then there's an answer that just makes no damn sense whatsoever. It might even stop the conversation as the pc pauses to consider what he just said. That's the one you were looking for. That's the service fac. It might not be THE ser fac on the case, but it is a ser fac. Having brought it to view, the compulsion to use it is lessened. There are other listing questions and more opportunity to find the biggie.
ACW added ser fac handling as part of his Clean Slate Drill. The drill is excellent for newbs and old-timers alike. If you think you might have found an area of ser fac, run the brackets, right/wrong, dominate/escape domination, survive/hinder survival of others. If it's not a ser fac no harm done.
Another thing, the auditor asks for, "In this lifetime…" but don't assume the ser fac is of or has been formulated in this lifetime. It is primitive. Chances are the actual serfac was formed before you had a language to articulate it.
Summary:
The serfac is generated by the being not the bank.
It was a safe solution to some confusion.
It continues uninspected.
It doesn't make the pc right, it makes him nuts in the area where the serfac is in use.
Those things that have not surrendered to routine auditing are held in place by this mechanism.
This auditing is a lot of fun. And it is, in my estimation, the most neglected tech, the tech most OUT in the world of Scientology. Hubbard loaded the subject with his own serfacs. People pick them up as locks on their own and dramatize like crazy.
The actual tech of it is available in the Red Vols. My only objection in the bulletins is the sequence in which the ser fac is located and run out.
About that service facsimile thing, I wanted to add a few comments. Why? It's probably some of the most productive and fun auditing you will ever do. Some of the crazy things that come out of the pc's mouth may well have both pc and auditor rolling with laughter. Once you understand what to look for, you can even run this stuff solo to some degree. I say, "to some degree," because it is after all a service fac, perceived to be of some value by the pc, so he might not be all that willing to give it up all by his lonesome.
The level used to be called Habit Release. Do you have some persisting condition or habit that you just can't shake? This could be the answer.
Highlights from HCOB Anatomy of a Service Facsimile
Note that it is a computation, not a doingness, beingness, or havingness.
The pc adopted this because he couldn't stand the confusion in a situation. So he adopted a safe solution. [The safe solution is the service facsimile.]
An idea is the thing most easily substituted for a thetan.
Those things which do not respond to routine auditing, that routine auditing won't change, are rooted in this mechanism. <sarcasm> Better for the GI to develop new rundowns than to find and clear the pc's bag of service facs. </sarcasm>
The service fac is as insidious as it pretends to align with survival. [See AP&A for the exact quote. What that means is some service facs appear perfectly logical. Perfectly logical.]
[When people learn the ser fac is a computation they figure it must be some Boolean if/then equation. This is wrong. Any idea used as a fixed solution is material for a wonderful ser fac.]
The Process
List and Null for the exact computation. Then run the item found in brackets. This is where it gets really screwy as a process. Why?
It is simple, basic auditing that anything the auditor desires the pc to answer must be explicitly stated in the auditing command/question. If you wish to know if birds fly, the question is, "Do birds fly?" The question is not, "Do any of God's creatures fly?"
The first listing question for serfacs is, "In this lifetime, what do you use to make others wrong?" In honest answer to the question, the pc can come up with anything, any Be, Do, Have, fixed idea, whatever. Pc's will do that, and when the listing question F/Ns that's it. The listing is complete per the laws of L&N whether you have found a service fac or not.
The appropriate question, if you are looking for a computation, is, "In this lifetime, what computation do you use to make others wrong?" That question will get you closer to the desired answer without violating basic auditing.
But the ser fac is said to build up mass which will be run off with the bracket process. My question is, "Why go through the mass to find the ser fac? Isn't that the hard way to go about it?" I think so.
We know that the ser fac breeds beingness, doinginess, and havingness. Why not approach it from that angle. Trust me, it's a whole helluva lot easier to go in that way.
So stick with the basic question: "In this lifetime, what do you use to make others wrong?" Just what do you use?
The pc's says anything that answers the question for the pc. "How about (sex, money, power, any emotion, and so on)."
Money is a good one for example. Haven't you ever met a snob who uses money, power, and position to make you or someone you know feel like shit? Have you ever seen someone treat the waitress or hired help like dirt? Some of these types won't even talk to you, they won't even look at you.
So your pc's says, "Money, I have lots of it," because in his mind it's perfectly logical and right. He can't escape the "truth" of what he just said.
"In this lifetime, how does having lots of money make you right?" and now you are off to the waterfall. The pc's is paddling his own canoe, and he's headed for the falls, and there's nothing he can do to stop it because he has lots of money and he's so damn right for it. The others are so damn wrong for not having lots of money, and he's going to prove it to you as he speaks.
Most of the answers are justifications, and you the auditor can follow along with some logic. I mean, it actually makes some sense what the pc is saying. Then there's an answer that just makes no damn sense whatsoever. It might even stop the conversation as the pc pauses to consider what he just said. That's the one you were looking for. That's the service fac. It might not be THE ser fac on the case, but it is a ser fac. Having brought it to view, the compulsion to use it is lessened. There are other listing questions and more opportunity to find the biggie.
ACW added ser fac handling as part of his Clean Slate Drill. The drill is excellent for newbs and old-timers alike. If you think you might have found an area of ser fac, run the brackets, right/wrong, dominate/escape domination, survive/hinder survival of others. If it's not a ser fac no harm done.
Another thing, the auditor asks for, "In this lifetime…" but don't assume the ser fac is of or has been formulated in this lifetime. It is primitive. Chances are the actual serfac was formed before you had a language to articulate it.
Summary:
The serfac is generated by the being not the bank.
It was a safe solution to some confusion.
It continues uninspected.
It doesn't make the pc right, it makes him nuts in the area where the serfac is in use.
Those things that have not surrendered to routine auditing are held in place by this mechanism.
This auditing is a lot of fun. And it is, in my estimation, the most neglected tech, the tech most OUT in the world of Scientology. Hubbard loaded the subject with his own serfacs. People pick them up as locks on their own and dramatize like crazy.
The actual tech of it is available in the Red Vols. My only objection in the bulletins is the sequence in which the ser fac is located and run out.
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