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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

CCHR was started as a PR move and it's main function was to destroy psychiatry which in LRH's mind meant continuing the money machine functioning at top speed and made him look good in the eyes of 'WOG' society, which he treated with great contempt.
I do support keeping drugs away from kids as long as possible. Who wouldn't? They can still get them at school from a very young age which is sad. Parents are the ones that need to be there for their kids. and it's harder to do in these economic times.
Lakey wrote:

I believe C of S did attempt to be cause by creating CCHR, Citizens' Commission of Human Rights which tried hard to keep Kids in school from taking Ritalin and Prozac. They have fought very hard to limit the prescribing of mind altering drugs with some successes and some failures. I did a job for a lady back in 1997 and she was complaining of migraine headaches. I was still in C of S at the time and gave my customer a touch assist. It moved out her headache to some degree and I told her I'd be back the next day and do another one. She told me she was going to see the doctor, later that afternoon. When I came over the next day, she said her headache was much better and that her doctor had prescribed Prozac to handle the headache!


Getting drugs out of schools and away from kids is one area where I can agree with scientology and CCHR.



Sautez~
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

CCHR was started as a PR move and it's main function was to destroy psychiatry which in LRH's mind meant continuing the money machine functioning at top speed and made him look good in the eyes of 'WOG' society, which he treated with great contempt.
I do support keeping drugs away from kids as long as possible. Who wouldn't? They can still get them at school from a very young age which is sad. Parents are the ones that need to be there for their kids. and it's harder to do in these economic times.

Sautez~

The first known reference by Hubbard to psychiatry is from August 1938, in his 'Excalibur' letter to his first wife:

"Psychiatrists, reaching the high of the dusty desk, tell us that Alexander, Genghis Khan and Napoleon were madmen. I know they're maligning some very intelligent gentlemen...

"I can make Napoleon look like a punk."


Immediately preceding the establishing of the 'CCHR' and the first publication of 'Freedom' Magazine was Ron's Journal '68:

"...And the general attack line is along the lines of human rights, human rights.

"Now I'll give you a clue now how this is handled, somebody comes up to you, he's a hostile person - he's hostile to Scientology and he says to you, he says <inaudible> and you say 'Why are you against human rights?' and, then, if you know anything about human rights like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, United Nations - that sort of thing, you know something about this subject, you just follow it right straight up, total attack, in other words you don't defend Scientology, you just simply attack along this line of human rights.

"Somebody else comes along, hostile, he says something to you about this, or he says something in the press or in a group or something like this, and something about treatment, or something in Scientology, and you should come back at him, 'Why are you in favor of psychiatric death camps? Why are you in favor of psychiatric brutality to human beings?', and just let him try to handle that ball.

"And use these two things.

"Now the hostile person and the hostile press line, for instance the newspaper writes an article on the subject of how bad Scientology is. Well, any Scientologist reading this should at once write the newspaper, 'Why are you in favor of psychiatric death camps? Why are you criticizing Scientology? Why are you in favor of psychiatric death camps?' And we will make some progress on this.

"Now actually what will happen, what will happen, really, is each time Scientology is attacked, we will build into society, if all of you do this, we'll build into society an actual stimulus-response mechanism, whereas an attack on Scientology is actually an attack on human rights, and a person making such an attack is in favor of psychiatric death camps. And if this is the way you handle this, and handle it consistently, even though you get bored with it and want something else to shoot them with, this will produce a fantastic effect..."

No doubt there are well meaning people in Scientology who want to keep children from having drugs prescribed needlessly or excessively, and who identify Scientology with that wish, but, as with so much of Scientology, they fall under the category of the "well meaning-dupe."
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

The first known reference by Hubbard to psychiatry is from August 1938, in his 'Excalibur' letter to his first wife:

"Psychiatrists, reaching the high of the dusty desk, tell us that Alexander, Genghis Khan and Napoleon were madmen. I know they're maligning some very intelligent gentlemen...

"I can make Napoleon look like a punk."


Immediately preceding the establishing of the 'CCHR' and the first publication of 'Freedom' Magazine was Ron's Journal '68:

"...And the general attack line is along the lines of human rights, human rights.

"Now I'll give you a clue now how this is handled, somebody comes up to you, he's a hostile person - he's hostile to Scientology and he says to you, he says <inaudible> and you say 'Why are you against human rights?' and, then, if you know anything about human rights like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, United Nations - that sort of thing, you know something about this subject, you just follow it right straight up, total attack, in other words you don't defend Scientology, you just simply attack along this line of human rights.

"Somebody else comes along, hostile, he says something to you about this, or he says something in the press or in a group or something like this, and something about treatment, or something in Scientology, and you should come back at him, 'Why are you in favor of psychiatric death camps? Why are you in favor of psychiatric brutality to human beings?', and just let him try to handle that ball.

"And use these two things.

"Now the hostile person and the hostile press line, for instance the newspaper writes an article on the subject of how bad Scientology is. Well, any Scientologist reading this should at once write the newspaper, 'Why are you in favor of psychiatric death camps? Why are you criticizing Scientology? Why are you in favor of psychiatric death camps?' And we will make some progress on this.

"Now actually what will happen, what will happen, really, is each time Scientology is attacked, we will build into society, if all of you do this, we'll build into society an actual stimulus-response mechanism, whereas an attack on Scientology is actually an attack on human rights, and a person making such an attack is in favor of psychiatric death camps. And if this is the way you handle this, and handle it consistently, even though you get bored with it and want something else to shoot them with, this will produce a fantastic effect..."

No doubt there are well meaning people in Scientology who want to keep children from having drugs prescribed needlessly or excessively, and who identify Scientology with that wish, but, as with so much of Scientology, they fall under the category of the "well meaning-dupe."

Informative post. I did not know about LRH's Excalibur letter to his first wife, Polly. Nice to read that.

Comments: Hubbard's instant attack method, an effort to develop a stimulus response mechanism in society, has the aspect of what I've heard lawyers refer to as a "quantum leap". Someone voices a plausible concern about Scientology or President Obama or somesuch and immediately they are attacked on some other point that is manufactured by the attacker. Example, someone says, "Under Obama, the country has tacked on $4 trillion debt in just 2 1/2 years." An Obama defender makes a quantum leap and asks, "Why would you want to support the Tea Party, don't you know that they believe in the Bible; that alone shows they are idiots and not qualified to lead?" The reply is completely non sequitor to what is being objected to but the one doing the objecting IS immediately put on the defense.

The hard left political hacks are experts at this technique and the right also uses it quite a bit but to a lesser extent.

I believe that technique, expounded by Hubbard, is not really that bad of a tactic if it is used for a worthy cause. As you say, many well meaning people defend Hubbard and Miscavige in this way, falling prey to a "well meaning dupe".

Nearly all of Scientology's front groups fall into this class of activities. Take Narconon, Applied Scholastics, The Way to Happiness, WISE, The Volunteer Ministers going to areas where a natural disaster occurred to apply relief. Who would stand in the way of getting people off drugs, improving their study, helping them in business or in disaster relief.

Sadly, all these programs, though sounding good on the surface are not done just to help people but to enroll people for services and bring in more dough for the C of S. When these types of programs must be have statistics kept on them and the people being helped are routed to the "reg", its easy to figure out that something isn't kosher.
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

CCHR was started as a PR move and it's main function was to destroy psychiatry which in LRH's mind meant continuing the money machine functioning at top speed and made him look good in the eyes of 'WOG' society, which he treated with great contempt.
I do support keeping drugs away from kids as long as possible. Who wouldn't? They can still get them at school from a very young age which is sad. Parents are the ones that need to be there for their kids. and it's harder to do in these economic times.



Sautez~

Welcome to the board and this thread Sautez and thanks for posting here. Wow, that post of mine which you quoted was written a long time ago. Are you reading the thread from the beginning? Anyway, nice to have you on board.
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

In my simple way of looking at things, I think Hubbard felt about Psychiatrists the way an unusually clever rat would feel about rat-catchers.

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I don't know where to begin or end..............

We have a bunch of kids, some did or do drugs, some not. I certainly did. (grass, hash, acid), with no apologies.

I did scientology, also, and again, with no apologies (briefing course and OT levels)

the black sheep of our family, one of our sons, has become a Mormon. (I usually spell it with 2 "N"s )

booze, drugs, cults etc are each ways to handle or filter reality.

they all work marginally.

whatever floats your boat

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Probably one of the best philosophical quotes to come out of the '60s. :coolwink:

That's long before I was born, but I've heard it was a fun time. I feel a bit cheated that I missed it. I really do :omg:
 
Re: I don't know where to erin or end..............

That's long before I was born, but I've heard it was a fun time. I feel a bit cheated that I missed it. I really do :omg:

I was there, albeit a bit on the young side, and missed out too. :melodramatic:

A dear friend of mine who was at Berkeley briefly during the latter part of the '60s likes to say that ... if you can remember the '60s then you weren't there. We often joke that the only things that have changed for the Drug Counter Culture Movement is the nature of the drugs, the location of the counter, and the regularity of the movement.


Mark A. Baker
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

My bedroom window in the hills behind the camera had the Bay Bridge in the distance. Every morning I'd get up to braid my hair sitting by the upstairs window in the crisp air. The smell of geraniums was always strong and the poppies below me always reflected bright red and orange in the sunlight.

Our home on the top two floors 1960 thru 64. That was a lot of windows to wash!

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Chinatown

On Sundays we'd always go to Chinatown for dinner and bring home the best peanut brittle in the world. Later we'd go to Fisherman's Wharf and buy popcorn and feed the ducks. When we parked the red 1960 convertible Buick Electra and rode the cable cars I had a fit as a kid. Those hills were a lot steeper then. You could feel the gravity pulling at you and I was sure those cables would snap releasing us in a steep fall backwards.. I was terrified. People say those hills are just as steep today. Nooooooooooo sir. :nervous:

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Once a month we'd go to the amazing Muir Woods

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There was place in Oakland called Fairyland on Lake Merit right down the hill and the Alice in Wonderland mad teaparty was terrrrrrrrific.

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Cooper and Cassius Clay S.F. 1963

The 60s were cool.
 
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Lakey wrote:

I believe C of S did attempt to be cause by creating CCHR, Citizens' Commission of Human Rights which tried hard to keep Kids in school from taking Ritalin and Prozac. They have fought very hard to limit the prescribing of mind altering drugs with some successes and some failures. I did a job for a lady back in 1997 and she was complaining of migraine headaches. I was still in C of S at the time and gave my customer a touch assist. It moved out her headache to some degree and I told her I'd be back the next day and do another one. She told me she was going to see the doctor, later that afternoon. When I came over the next day, she said her headache was much better and that her doctor had prescribed Prozac to handle the headache!


Getting drugs out of schools and away from kids is one area where I can agree with scientology and CCHR.

Me too!
 
Re: I don't know where to begin or end..............

We have a bunch of kids, some did or do drugs, some not. I certainly did. (grass, hash, acid), with no apologies.

I did scientology, also, and again, with no apologies (briefing course and OT levels)

the black sheep of our family, one of our sons, has become a Mormon. (I usually spell it with 2 "N"s )

booze, drugs, cults etc are each ways to handle or filter reality.

they all work marginally.

whatever floats your boat

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I just love your human type dog :p
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

My bedroom window in the hills behind the camera had the Bay Bridge in the distance. Every morning I'd get up to braid my hair sitting by the upstairs window in the crisp air. The smell of geraniums was always strong and the poppies below me always reflected bright red and orange in the sunlight.


images
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sm_red-geraniums.jpg

lead-wagon_300.jpg
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chinese-new-year-parade.jpg

Chinatown

On Sundays we'd always go to Chinatown for dinner and bring home the best peanut brittle in the world. Later we'd go to Fisherman's Wharf and buy popcorn and feed the ducks. When we parked the red 1960 convertible Buick Electra and rode the cable cars I had a fit as a kid. Those hills were a lot steeper then. You could feel the gravity pulling at you and I was sure those cables would snap releasing us in a steep fall backwards.. I was terrified. People say those hills are just as steep today. Nooooooooooo sir. :nervous:

images
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san-francisco-bay-area-alcatraz.jpg

Once a month we'd go to the amazing Muir Woods

b64908fa61e8d03ee9fedc16bab59f32_large.jpg


There was place in Oakland called Fairyland on Lake Merit right down the hill and the Alice in Wonderland mad teaparty was terrrrrrrrific.

Oakland Hills
vfiles25854.jpg


Fairyland+entry.jpg
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110484-1.jpg


Ah the Vespa!
dclassicvespa1.jpg
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ali-cooper_1460529c.jpg

Cooper and Cassius Clay S.F. 1963

The 60s were cool.

:omg: Hat....I love this post. I can feel the crisp air (haven't felt nice cool crisp air like that in a long time) , sitting by the window and the smell of the geraniums and the sunshine on those beautiful California poppies....One of my favorite flowers...the color just mesmerizes me. Wow. Reading this along with your pictures, I felt like I was right there. Too much! Nice experience. Makes me a little homesick for the California coast.

I could smell the ocean and the popcorn too. I loved the cable cars.....not afraid at all....but I was afraid driving those hills, in a car, with a clutch....thought for sure, when I was at a dead stop on one of those hills, that I was going to screw up and end up going backwards down the hill, crashing into cars behind me if I didn't move my feet fast enough from the brake to the gas and failed to have good control of the clutch when I had to get the car moving up the hill again. San Francisco hills were a challege to drive on.

China town used to be neat too back in those days. I was there a couple of years ago...I didn't like it....it seems to have lost the charm it had back in the 50's and 60's. Seemed awfully junky this time around. Wouldn't want to go back there again now.

And the Vespa....yeh....my husband had one of those.....he used to ride it to class. Nice cheap transportation for students. I liked the Vespa......kind of like riding an oversized skate board. :lol:

Thanks so much for this post, your writing and all the pictures....a trip down memory lane.......what a lovely experience.....

Is that little girl on the lawn at Fairyland you?
 
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yesterday

When I first read it, about the time it was written. The circulation was limited. I didn't find it credible then, but MAYBE possible. When I replied to him about it, I offered to audit him. He said he was doing well then.

Then as the real estate market began to unravel, he committed suicide. I did the probate (never finished), and realized he was just borrowing his way to freedom. He didn't work for money. He had been in a comma for 6 months, due to an unhandled GI (gastrointestinal) tear. i.e. caused by his Sci medical mind set of stupidly not going to doctors until it was too late.

My guess is that he was fired from his very high paying IT job (software programmer) with Chase Bank (between $100,000 and $200,000. a year) because of Co$ OSA slime ball tactics. He never got a job job again. He worked at marketing a screenplay and his books, but never 9-5 work, which he was qualified to do.

His wife, who could (I'm told - never met her, only hearsay) be classified a luny left him an turned him and his secret "Pilot" identity into Scientology. She had many cats that peed and shit all over the house. That smell combined with heavy cigarette smoke (they were Scientologists after all) made the house a nightmare to visit.

He spent about 6 years borrowing on credit cards and his house without ever working for a living. He racked up about $800,000. in debt. He was borrowing from one credit card to pay another, always keeping his credit clean. When he could no longer get more credit (because he was maxed and real estate prices had peaked), he committed suicide with $200 in the bank.

As an epitaph, I think the writing I posted the other day, sounds bogus to me.

BUT

There are so many things coming to light. I feel it needs to at least be read by those, now leaving, who may know more about the OSA ops that were actually done on him.

Had he never been connected to Scientology, he would have lived a successful life as a geek, getting paid well for his smarts. As it is, he is a semi comedic tragedy figure, a victim of his own mind, the venal attacks of Scientology and their PIs, and his desire for a better world.

as a PS (Post Script), I have audited women, who have been raped as a result of date rape drugs put in their booze. If ordinary sleaze ball men will do that to nice women just for a quick fuck with a sleeping broad, then it is not beyond my reality that sleaze ball OSA agents or PIs would do that to a major enemy of the Co$. I suppose that we'll never know. This set of postings was to encourage those who might know the truth (from the Scientology side) to come forth.

To me, his story is credible and what you have added here makes it even more credible. For me.....it all fits together. He was ruined utterly.....just like they wanted him to be.

I would also like the truth to come forth from the Scientology side, but I seriously doubt that anyone would be willing to come forth and own up to this kind of stuff, especially when someone died as a result of it, but whoever did this stuff will have to live with it for the rest of their life and beyond. It would be horrible to have this on one's conscience, especially when one finds out that the Co$ was not what they thought it was and that they had been conned into ruining someone's life just to put $ in LRH or DM's pocket. How unspiritual can a so called church get?

I sometimes wonder if something like this has been run on DM. It would explain his acting the way he does......or maybe he's just naturally evil to the core. :unsure:

It would be nice if we could all get the truth someday.....in the not too distant future.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
A man who takes away another man's freedom is a prisoner of hatred, he is locked behind the bars of prejudice and narrow-mindedness. -Nelson Mandela, activist, South African president, Nobel Peace Prize (b. 1918)

And this very easily applies to what we see in the Cof$ . . .
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I'm not too sure about that MAndela quote. It can be read in different ways.

If he did today in the USA one tenth of what he was doing in South Africa in the early 60's he would have been locked up in Guantanamo and had the key thrown away for ever. Let's hope those Muslims in there now come out of it with the same change of heart.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

:omg: Hat....I love this post. I can feel the crisp air (haven't felt nice cool crisp air like that in a long time) , sitting by the window and the smell of the geraniums and the sunshine on those beautiful California poppies....One of my favorite flowers...the color just mesmerizes me. Wow. Reading this along with your pictures, I felt like I was right there. Too much! Nice experience. Makes me a little homesick for the California coast.

I could smell the ocean and the popcorn too. I loved the cable cars.....not afraid at all....but I was afraid driving those hills, in a car, with a clutch....thought for sure, when I was at a dead stop on one of those hills, that I was going to screw up and end up going backwards down the hill, crashing into cars behind me if I didn't move my feet fast enough from the brake to the gas and failed to have good control of the clutch when I had to get the car moving up the hill again. San Francisco hills were a challege to drive on.

China town used to be neat too back in those days. I was there a couple of years ago...I didn't like it....it seems to have lost the charm it had back in the 50's and 60's. Seemed awfully junky this time around. Wouldn't want to go back there again now.

And the Vespa....yeh....my husband had one of those.....he used to ride it to class. Nice cheap transportation for students. I liked the Vespa......kind of like riding an oversized skate board. :lol:

Thanks so much for this post, your writing and all the pictures....a trip down memory lane.......what a lovely experience.....

Is that little girl on the lawn at Fairyland you?

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