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Self Sufficiency

I am a strong advocate for less government, not no government, but certainly less than we have now. Below is a good example of how people can organize to get a job done without government interference or control:

By Katharine Herrup
The opinions expressed are her own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MDOrzF7B2Kg

Tom Hanks narrates the epic story of the 9/11 boatlift that evacuated half a million people from the stricken piers and seawalls of Lower Manhattan. Produced and directed by Eddie Rosenstein. Eyepop Productions, Inc.


Much has been written and said about September 11, 2001, on the occasion of its 10th anniversary, but one story much less known is the one about the band of boats that came together to rescue nearly 500,000 New Yorkers from the World Trade Center site on the day the towers collapsed.

It was the largest boatlift ever to have happened – greater than the one at Dunkirk during World War II. Yet somehow a story of such large scale became lost in all the rubble. But a new 10-minute documentary called Boatlift by Eddie Rosenstein captures the boat evacuations that happened on 9/11. The film is part of four new short documentaries that were created for the 9/11 Tenth Anniversary Summit in Washington, D.C.

“Boats, usually an afterthought in most New Yorkers minds, were, for the first time in over a century, the only way in or out of lower Manhattan,” says Tom Hanks, the narrator of the film.

New Yorkers don’t really think of Manhattan as an island since everything from the basics to beyond your wildest imagination is so accessible — not typically a feature associated with island life. But on September 11, 2001, those trapped below the World Trade Center site who could not escape without swimming or being rescued by a boat were acutely reminded of that fact.

“People were actually jumping into the river and swimming out of Manhattan. Boats were very nearly running them over,” says NY Waterway Captain Rick Thornton in the film.

The captains and crew of the fleet of boats who rescued so many on 9/11 came together with no idea what they would be getting into and no idea whether Manhattan would be attacked again let alone their very own boats. All they knew were that desperate people were in need of help and they couldn’t turn their backs on them, even if that meant putting their own lives at risk.

“If it floated, and it could get there, it got there,” engineer of the Mary Gellatly Robin Jones recalls.

“I never want to say the word ‘I should have’,” says Vincent Ardolino, captain of the Amberjack V. “I tell my children the same thing, never go through life saying you should have. If you want to do something, you do it.”

The New York Waterway, the Coast Guard, ferries, tug boats, private boats, party boats, small professional diving boats, and more ferried hundreds of thousands of people to Staten Island, Brooklyn, upper Manhattan, the Bronx and Queens in less than nine hours. Their crews are typical (in every best sense of the word) New Yorkers and ordinary civilians who came together after a distress call came in from the U.S. Coast Guard in New York.

“I’ve never seen so many tug boats all at once,” captain of the Staten Island Ferry James Parese says. “I worked on the water for 28 years, I’ve never seen that many boats come together at one time that fast. One radio call and they just all came together,” Jones said.

Perhaps one of the most amazing aspects of this mass-scale operation was that were no evacuation plans for such a rescue. “You couldn’t have planned nothing to happen that fast that quick,” Jones said.

It was the ethic code of the seas that made the boat rescues such a success. If a boat needed refueling, another one would pull up alongside it and give it 10,000 gallons of fuel with no questions asked or no one asking for payment. If a woman in a wheelchair needed to be lifted over the fence on the water’s edge to get into one of the boats, there were more than enough hands to help lift her. If people were stranded on a ledge by the water, they would get picked up by a boat. No one was left behind.

One of the arresting images in the film was of a massive throng of people pressed up against and even hanging over the rails along the water waving their hands, hoping someone would come to their rescue. They were at land’s end in downtown Manhattan, no easy place to conduct any sort of boat rescue since there aren’t many docking places or spots to put a boat ramp.

It was a day that lots of local, ordinary people become heroes. It was a day that was supposed to tear America apart, but instead brought Americans together. It was a day that brought out the best in many people.

“We wanted to tell a story that reminds Americans that this is a country that bounces back from adversity,” the President of the Center for National Policy Stephen Flynn, who had been a U.S. Coast Guard officer, told me. “Our national DNA is resilience. The key for us is to move forward with some key lessons and one of the lessons missing is the strength of civil society and how it responded when 9/11 happened.”
 
Re: Self Sufficiency

I am a strong advocate for less government, not no government, but certainly less than we have now. Below is a good example of how people can organize to get a job done without government interference or control:

By Katharine Herrup
The opinions expressed are her own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MDOrzF7B2Kg

Tom Hanks narrates the epic story of the 9/11 boatlift that evacuated half a million people from the stricken piers and seawalls of Lower Manhattan. Produced and directed by Eddie Rosenstein. Eyepop Productions, Inc.


Much has been written and said about September 11, 2001, on the occasion of its 10th anniversary, but one story much less known is the one about the band of boats that came together to rescue nearly 500,000 New Yorkers from the World Trade Center site on the day the towers collapsed.

It was the largest boatlift ever to have happened – greater than the one at Dunkirk during World War II. Yet somehow a story of such large scale became lost in all the rubble. But a new 10-minute documentary called Boatlift by Eddie Rosenstein captures the boat evacuations that happened on 9/11. The film is part of four new short documentaries that were created for the 9/11 Tenth Anniversary Summit in Washington, D.C.

“Boats, usually an afterthought in most New Yorkers minds, were, for the first time in over a century, the only way in or out of lower Manhattan,” says Tom Hanks, the narrator of the film.

New Yorkers don’t really think of Manhattan as an island since everything from the basics to beyond your wildest imagination is so accessible — not typically a feature associated with island life. But on September 11, 2001, those trapped below the World Trade Center site who could not escape without swimming or being rescued by a boat were acutely reminded of that fact.

“People were actually jumping into the river and swimming out of Manhattan. Boats were very nearly running them over,” says NY Waterway Captain Rick Thornton in the film.

The captains and crew of the fleet of boats who rescued so many on 9/11 came together with no idea what they would be getting into and no idea whether Manhattan would be attacked again let alone their very own boats. All they knew were that desperate people were in need of help and they couldn’t turn their backs on them, even if that meant putting their own lives at risk.

“If it floated, and it could get there, it got there,” engineer of the Mary Gellatly Robin Jones recalls.

“I never want to say the word ‘I should have’,” says Vincent Ardolino, captain of the Amberjack V. “I tell my children the same thing, never go through life saying you should have. If you want to do something, you do it.”

The New York Waterway, the Coast Guard, ferries, tug boats, private boats, party boats, small professional diving boats, and more ferried hundreds of thousands of people to Staten Island, Brooklyn, upper Manhattan, the Bronx and Queens in less than nine hours. Their crews are typical (in every best sense of the word) New Yorkers and ordinary civilians who came together after a distress call came in from the U.S. Coast Guard in New York.

“I’ve never seen so many tug boats all at once,” captain of the Staten Island Ferry James Parese says. “I worked on the water for 28 years, I’ve never seen that many boats come together at one time that fast. One radio call and they just all came together,” Jones said.

Perhaps one of the most amazing aspects of this mass-scale operation was that were no evacuation plans for such a rescue. “You couldn’t have planned nothing to happen that fast that quick,” Jones said.

It was the ethic code of the seas that made the boat rescues such a success. If a boat needed refueling, another one would pull up alongside it and give it 10,000 gallons of fuel with no questions asked or no one asking for payment. If a woman in a wheelchair needed to be lifted over the fence on the water’s edge to get into one of the boats, there were more than enough hands to help lift her. If people were stranded on a ledge by the water, they would get picked up by a boat. No one was left behind.

One of the arresting images in the film was of a massive throng of people pressed up against and even hanging over the rails along the water waving their hands, hoping someone would come to their rescue. They were at land’s end in downtown Manhattan, no easy place to conduct any sort of boat rescue since there aren’t many docking places or spots to put a boat ramp.

It was a day that lots of local, ordinary people become heroes. It was a day that was supposed to tear America apart, but instead brought Americans together. It was a day that brought out the best in many people.

“We wanted to tell a story that reminds Americans that this is a country that bounces back from adversity,” the President of the Center for National Policy Stephen Flynn, who had been a U.S. Coast Guard officer, told me. “Our national DNA is resilience. The key for us is to move forward with some key lessons and one of the lessons missing is the strength of civil society and how it responded when 9/11 happened.”

Americans in an emergency......poetry in motion.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Made me really happy to watch that. And I cried - in a nice way :rose:
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Wow Ted! Thanks for posting the like to THIS!!! It brought a tear to my eye. 500,000 people evacuated from a smoke choked Manhattan in less than 9 hours.. :clap:

It's so good to see how people can pull together and unselfishly help one another out when it's needed.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Thanks Ted!

I live in Manhattan, in what was referred to as the "Red Zone" that day and during the days of response following.

It was an emotionally moving day. I now vaguely recall mention of "boat rescues" on the news, but it in no way conveyed the magnitude of what actually happened and as shown here; and certainly none of the personal stories and acts of heroism depicted in this documentary. What wonderful people they are who were interviewed in this documentary.

What I found interesting is how the participants in the rescue began to improvise and dream up brilliant and workable solutions to handling the scene. I loved that part.

There was so much going on that day . . . so many things cramming our attention. And of course, sights and experiences one does not forget.

There is much I could write here, some of which I would have to reconstruct as some of my original documents of postings of that day and the few days following are gone.

But here is a post made by Virginia and myself to what was then Alan's "Prosperity List" a day or two after 9/11. I'll have a look and see if I can locate any other posts on how we handled the situation on that day and the days following (if there's interest). But basically, a few of us got in there and actually processed the victims of the catastrophe to free them from the shocks they were stuck in.

From: B****, Roger [roger.b*****@a**n.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:48 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: Last Week's Rollercoaster

In the context of Virginia's post below, it has been interesting for me to observe the scene among those I am connected to and on the various communication lines I have.

A distinction, actually, can be made between those who are untrained and those who are trained sufficiently well.

We saw it all around, not just on our Prosperity List lines.

Those who were sufficiently well trained went into action and did something positive, meaningful, helpful . . . . those who are not well enough trained moped around, had lots of opinions to express even if only to forward on another's or comment on such, and generally regurgitated the shock, emotion and awfulness of it "all".

There is much to be said for being trained and trained to a level of personal competence and certainty, it enables you to go into action. Virginia and Tom D**** (who had been in personal comm with me) are examples I am aware of who had sufficient competence to do something positive. And we also saw many as rescue workers on TV in action implementing their particular skills.

One of the by-products of being able to act and act positively in circumstances such as these is actually enormous personal advancement and gain. The alternative, I suspect, is the accumulation of more case.

The gains Virginia is speaking of in her last paragraphs on which she is doing the Wins Celebration are her own enormous regained higher level states and abilities, not just of the person she processed. It has been remarkable to watch her process through to them. Tom D***** also spoke to me of huge upgrade in ability and awareness. And I too experienced phenomenal upgrade in abilities and awareness.

I suppose some on this list are a little pissed at me for continuing to push the idea that you each should take your next step of getting trained at the ranch. Hell, I've even been accused of being Alan's PR man and as such "what I say can be discounted" . . . yes, well, I note the purveyors of this kind of opinion were still all opinion and no action this last week.

It seems we are headed for some troubled times ahead, one way or the other, and one way to come through it ahead of how you went in is to be trained. That's the thing that needs be done.

For then you'll know what to do. You won't be stopped in wondering and waiting and having to ask.


Rog


From: Virginia ***** [v*****@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Last Week's Rollercoaster

Hello All,

I have to tell you that last week was a rollercoaster of moods for me. I work at 116th street on the west side of Manhattan. Last Tuesday, a coworker walked into the office shortly after 9am and said she had just heard that the World Trade Center had just been hit by two planes and could I turn on my radio to hear the news. My first reaction when I heard it was true, was that it must have been an accident. It must have been two small planes who almost collided, and in trying to miss each other had hit the World Trade Center. But as I listened to the news reports it became all too clear that these had been intentional hits.

I ran to the south side of the building, which had a clear view all the way downtown, and saw the gaping hole with smoke pouring out. It was difficult to see the south tower because it was enveloped in its own smoke. I stood there and gasped, more people came into the room and also gasped. Some began to pray and others started weeping uncontrollably as they looked out the window to confirm that this was not a hoax.

We looked out the window for what seemed like forever when we heard on the radio that the south tower had just collapsed. Because it had been so obscured by it’s own smoke we couldn’t tell if it was standing or not, but the thought of no Twin Towers anymore was devastating. There was a new round of praying and crying. As we started getting a grip on the thought, we then saw the north tower simply descend and disappear. Nothing but smoke was left. We all knew our skyline, and our lives, had been changed forever.

As I listened to the news reports on the radio, waves of grief kept washing over me. I called Roger and asked how can I help to process those Beings that were trapped in their shock, loss and grief. All those Beings who would be stuck on and in this incident needed help to be released from the incident so they could get on with other futures. I wanted so desperately to help, I just needed to know how.

Roger explained to run a shock handling just as you would for any other Being. I took this a step further and began to educate them about upsets and wanted futures. Once I had gotten their attention unfixed from the shock, I explained that an upset was the loss of a wanted future. That future, with that body, was not possible now. Since their attention was unfixed, I had them look at wanted futures and what they could do to make them come about. So first I was a Healer, then I was an Educator. All Tuesday afternoon I kept processing groups of Beings and having them go free of the incident.

Late that afternoon, as I made my way home thru many modes of transportation, I began to develop a fever. All that evening and thru the night I was contacting and processing Beings. When I say I, I mean me and my TM’s handled whoever contacted us. All day Wednesday I had a full blown flu with 102 degree fever. I laid around all day, slept and continued to process Beings, only now I was contacting individuals, although as I processed them, I was also processing others connected to them. So when that Being went clear, they took all the others with them. I contacted and handled one of the passengers in the second airplane to hit the WTC. I processed one of the pilots of the planes, and I processed one of the people in the north tower who had jumped out the window.

It really was fascinating to contact their moods, help them to experience it and then get on with making new futures. The passenger in the second airplane experienced absolute terror because he knew he was going to die. I helped him experience it and then realize that this was not the end of his existence, he could now go on and get another body and make a new future, play a new game.

The pilot of the second airplane was in deep anguish because he felt he should have done more to prevent this. I had him look at the data he used to make his decision, i.e., that anytime in the past that a hijacker has taken a plane they usually fly it to another country and you end up with a hostage situation. Never in his wildest dreams did the pilot think these hijackers would use the plane as a guided missile. So based on the data he had available, he made the decision that he felt would save most lives. A very valid decision based on the data. This helped him to come out of anguish and grief, and to realize he’d made a valid decision.

It was very interesting to experience what the man who threw himself out of the window felt on impact and to then process him out of it. The impact caused him such intense pain that it actually bounced him out of the body and he actually ran away from the body screaming. I caught up with him and began processing him immediately. I did a classic shock handling and kept repeating to him "where was it, when was it" until he could actually stand still, then I persuaded him to come back with me and look at the body to further cement exactly where was it and when was it. I was emphatic about locating the pain because this Being had formed the precept of never having another body again. We then looked at the fact that when a body impacts something hard, like concrete, there will be intense pain, but having a body doesn’t automatically mean you’re going to experience pain. I then had him look at all the pleasurable things he’d experienced while in that body. He began to become sane and realized that an impact like this will cause intense pain, but on the whole having a body wasn’t so bad after all. I left him pondering on this and thinking about new futures with a new body.

The next morning I got on my meter and tried something Tom D***n had done, I asked if there was anyone who wanted help. A lady stepped up and made herself known. She had been caught in the north tower above where the plane had hit. The mood was Absolute Hopelessness. We ran experience & create on the mood and ohhhh myyyy did stuff come off. It seemed that this incident had triggered a previous spiritual universe incident where she used that mood as a solution. Well that was such realization and blow-out for her that we had to end session there. All during the day I could feel the process running for her.

That evening I watched the news and saw a new angle of the second plane hitting the south tower. As I watched I contacted the terrorist who was piloting that plane. I could feel the hatred, but also the elation, almost a sexual high, which the terrorist felt just before the plane hit the building. It was really quite an interesting sensation. I didn’t think about it much, just went on with making dinner. But later that night I realized that that is the kind of sensation that a Being can become addicted to. So they’ll grab any body just so they can experience it again, and again and again. When I realized this I put out a call to all Spiritual Beings to keep these people from getting another body. These people need to be processed before they can be trusted with another body. Having a physical body, especially one that functions well, is a privilege to be earned.

The next morning I woke up and felt really clean and energetic, ready to start a new adventure or project. This was because we had been able to release so many Beings from their stuck moods that they were ready to create new futures. Quite a wonderful feeling.

I went into session to help this other Being handle her charge on the past incident we had found. What she had been trying to accomplish was to win at whatever game she was playing. However, some of the games were not of her choosing. Therefore, the mood of Absolute Hopelessness became a solution. Then an idea occurred to both of us: it’s not just the game you play, it’s also when, where and with whom. It might be the right game, but at the wrong time, in the wrong place and/or with the wrong people. The game actually was of her choosing, it’s just that the timing was off.

This expanded understanding caused SUCH a realignment for us that we had to end session there and live with it for the rest of the day. This was phenomenal truth that we had discovered!

The next morning we ran a Wins Celebration on that we had discovered. The win was connected to game playing, and this realignment occurred throughout the entire span of Universes because we play games throughout all Universes.

The power that was recovered for both of us was Gold Zone Gaming. I call it gaming because it’s not just game-playing, it’s also game-creating, game-enhancing – every aspect of games. We’re still running the Wins Celebration and expanding this recovery of powers and abilities. I’ll keep you posted.

Virginia
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I just saw this in my morning reading. It tickled my fancy such that I laughed out loud . . .

"We are going to be gifted with a Health Care plan we are forced to purchase, and fined if we do not, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he does not understand it, passed by a Congress that did not read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, for which we will be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security & Medicare, all to be overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese, and financed by a country that is broke!! What the hell could possibly go wrong?" ~ Donald Trump

:hysterical::hysterical:
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Originally Posted by Mark A. Baker
There are great whites off the coast of california also.

As to rumors being scary, that what rumors are, reports of peoples fears. Humans scare each other & themselves then act out irrationally from their self-created fear. Yes, sharks are predators and potentially dangerous, but if you want to be really scared, hang out with humans.


Mark A. Baker

Hmmm, spoken like a true intellectual, ivory tower expert.

In 1936, on one beach in Sydney, Coogee, six people were taken by sharks during a period of a couple of months at the height of the surfing season.

I won't get into details, but Coogee is a beach that has slightly stiller water than other Sydney beaches.

But the thing to know is, that in those days (and until about 1956) the beaches of Sydney were the thing to do at weekends for the thronging masses . . . . they didn't have cars and there were not many alternatives in the hot summer (no airconditioning) for recreation. I remember floods of people coming by tram to my old beach in the early '50's, floods of people.

Well, the shark attacks actually moved the government to do something, and they started meshing the beaches to prevent sharks from doing their thing of yum-yumming on we out-of-element types.

All Sydney beaches had, when I left, a net "out the back" beyond the break that was baited to capture any sharks that threatened the swimmers.

Fact is, records I had seen when there, the catch was on average, one shark per beach per week during the height of the surfing season. I used to watch the "shark boat" weekly do its job 100 yards from the pool I trained in each morning.

But the fact is, there was still on average, one shark attack somewhere on the east cost of Oz each year because folks swam in insecure locations . . . like in the harbor or in Botany Bay and its tributary, Georges River.

The Florida Tourist Board does not like to publicize the number of annual shark attacks on its beaches . . . obviously bad for business. Last year or the year before it was five that I am aware of. They have Bull Sharks down there . . . different to the GW variety.

We Ozzie surf-lifesavers paid attention to the shark attack scene as a matter of course . . . hence the Durban shark scene being made known to us . . . this also because we competed against them in international competition.

Recently (last few years) there was a girl who lost an arm to a shark in Hawaii, and shark action against humans where the seal population is prolific, is well recorded around San Francisco and north from there.

Anyone who surfs or swims in known shark frequented waters without protection is really asking for trouble. You may as well walk blindfolded down a freeway.

R

Just as a little reality check for any of you folks planning a trip to Oz to do some surfing :melodramatic: and who don't believe the shark business is errr, ummm real or serious; I was directed to this by my butcher :unsure: :duh: . . . we've good friends, it's just that he happens to know I grew up In Oz and surfed :yes:

Note the reference that the shark that hit the guy took off the bottom half of him below the waist . . . that's one bloody big mouth that did the biting!

Man Dies In Gruesome Shark Attack in SW Australia!
Sunday, September 4th, 2011

A man died after he was attacked by a shark at a popular South-West beach Sunday afternoon.

Police have confirmed the 21-year-old man was from the eastern states but had been based in Wilyabrup, three hours south of Perth, for several years.

Police are in the process of contacting his next-of-kin. The man’s girlfriend was believed to have just gone overseas.

The victim was bodyboarding with a friend at a surfing break known as The Boneyards near Bunker Bay when he was taken by a shark, believed to be a white pointer.

At least five other surfers from Bunbury were in the water, just metres from the victim when the attack happened, but nobody actually saw the attack according to Dunsborough Sergeant Craig Anderson.

Sergeant Anderson described those who pulled the victim from the water as courgeous. “You’ve got to take your hat off to the young fellow who was surfing with him and his mate for bringing [the victim] ashore, the nature of his injuries was significant, it’s not something that even volunteer rescuers or emergency services like to see,” he said.

Dunsborough man Kurt Morris was having lunch at the Bunker Bay Cafe with his family when he saw chaos erupt on the beach.
Mr Morris said he spoke to the surfers who were just metres from the attack.

“There were three blokes from Bunbury they were next to him when it happened,” he said.

“They were saying they were just two metres away from him.

“From the waist down, it was just all gone.”

Mr Morris said the group that pulled the man from water were visibly shaken.

He said surfers were sprinting out of the water to their cars, driving to nearby surfing breaks to let others know of the shark attack.

The attack was believed to have happened at a popular break known as The Boneyards, about 50 metres from the shore.

“It was not that far off the shore. No one is going back in the water,” Mr Morris said.

Sergeant Graham Clifford said police and ambulance arrived at the beach shortly after the attack at 1.26pm today.

Police have identified the man, however it would not be publicly released until his next of kin was notified.

The beach has been closed and Dunsborough police are at the scene. The station’s officer in charge is expected to be making a statement at 4pm.

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/s...hwest-beach-20110904-1js3y.html#ixzz1WzUZy1KW
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Kiteboarder in Florida. Looks like he nipped at her twice by the pattern. And yeah, they're usually the bulls down here.

shark-attack-victim.jpg


Stuart, Florida last year. ( just north of Miami)

Places seem safe enough but no one is protecting you from the rogue. Nobody...cause there aren't enough casualities to go all out. In life we take our chances.

http://www.brightfloridacity.com/bright-features/stuart/stuart-florida-image-gallery/

http://surf.transworld.net/1000124489/news/global-shark-attacks-increased-in-2010/

itty bitty cookie cutter sharks! What next.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/773/934/Cookiecutter_Shark_Attack_On_A_Live_Human.html


Gorey pic below of 22 pups taken out of belly of 6 ft hammerhead. In 1980 the shoals of Ponce Inlet just below Daytona beach was deluged with baby hammerheads. You could stand in an isolated depression between rocks no deeper than your shins and see hundreds of these. Most were only seven to nine inches long.
http://cortezsharkman.wordpress.com/2010/10/20/sharks-are-dangerous-killers-end-of-story/

sharkman-of-cortez-pics-and-news-0162-e1287538325819.jpg
 
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Kiteboarder in Florida. Looks like he nipped at her twice by the pattern. And yeah, they're usually the bulls down here.

shark-attack-victim.jpg

Yep, I saw on one of those wonderfully informative Discovery Channel programs that Bull Sharks are actually rated as the most dangerous.

Reason being is that they inhabit such a much more range of habitat than any other shark . . . and shocker, even fresh water estuaries! So don't think fresh water areas are free from them:duh:

And the son of bitches have big mouths.

Stats appear to show they are the most frequent world wide attackers of humans.

AS I think I said before, The big secret in Florida, in the year I noticed the figures, five attacks by Bull Sharks . . . . something the tourist bureau does not promote :biggrin::melodramatic:

And to think I went swimming on "wonderful" long ranges on Clearwater Beach believing it was "shark free" while I was at Flag . . . the local sons of bitches lied to me!

R
 
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http://indian.ifas.ufl.edu/WQ/IRLagoon.html

You are right about the fresh water estuaries Roger. The inlets though naturally enclosed can bleed into the salty water of the Atlantic or is it vice versa. The sharks go where they want. Somewhere not too far from Port Canaveral. Ponce de Leon Inlet where all the hammerheads were found was north of here.

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You are right about the fresh water estuaries Roger. They bleed into the inlets that leak the fresh water towards the salty water of the Atlantic. The sharks go where they want.
http://indian.ifas.ufl.edu/WQ/IRLagoon.html

Actually, Hats, what surprised me was that the Bull Sharks are truly worldwide . . . . all up and down the east coast of Oz, all over the Indian ocean, the west Pacific above the Equator, the Gulf of Mexico and the east coast of the US . . . presumably, due to "lack of reporting" their presence has not been gazetted on the west coast of Africa and Europe. :melodramatic:

They are the biggest world-wide shark menace . . . just that Great Whites had a movie made about them, and we do have some wonderful videos of them performing wonderful acrobatics with mouths-full of seal in their hunting grounds :coolwink:

R
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Just as a little reality check for any of you folks planning a trip to Oz to do some surfing :melodramatic: ...

Sharks aren't a menace, Roger. They are carnivous fish. They kill to eat, by preference other fish although they are somewhat flexible if hungry and local fish stocks are low. They are also fairly easy to avoid. Unfortunately mankind is over-fishing to a point as to threaten shark populations worldwide. THAT is the real menace.

Here's a nice little report on 2010's reported worldwide shark attacks.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/isaf/2010summary.html

Notice total attacks in the world as reported were 115, with 79 of those deemed as unprovoked . For comparison the CITY of Los Angeles (not the county which is MUCH MUCH larger) reported 271 homicides in 2010, and were delighted to do so because it marks a low point not seen since the late '60s.

Media love playing up the 'danger of sharks' because it creates fear and promotes their business model. The reality is that sharks aren't a significant cause of human fatalities. Neither are threats from any other animal species. Human stupidity is by far the greater killer.

Don't feed the fear.


Mark A. Baker
 
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On a link found within his link ____
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/Attacks/relariskreduce.htm

Sounds like some rules for avoiding human street gangz
:p


Always stay in groups since sharks are more likely to attack a solitary individual.

Avoid being in the water during darkness or twilight hours when sharks are most active and have a competitive sensory advantage.

Do not wander too far from shore --- this isolates an individual and additionally places one far away from assistance.

Do not enter the water if bleeding from an open wound...

Wearing shiny jewelry is discouraged....

Avoid waters with known effluents or sewage....

etc

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On a link found within his link ____
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/Attacks/relariskreduce.htm

Sounds like some rules for avoiding human street gangz
:p


Always stay in groups since sharks are more likely to attack a solitary individual.

Avoid being in the water during darkness or twilight hours when sharks are most active and have a competitive sensory advantage.

Do not wander too far from shore --- this isolates an individual and additionally places one far away from assistance.

Do not enter the water if bleeding from an open wound...

Wearing shiny jewelry is discouraged....

Avoid waters with known effluents or sewage....

etc

78223.jpg
fish-bruce.jpg
74-74519_dis_finding_nemo_sharks_prod

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Aloha parrotheads

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you gotta still be playing the Buffet 'fins' video when you come to this post.....cause it don't rock without the music!

Fins
She came down from Cincinnati
It took her three days on the train
Lookin' for some peace and quiet
Hoped to see the sun again

But now she lives down by the ocean
She's takin' care to look for sharks
They hang out in the local bars
And they feed right after dark

Chorus:
Can't you feel 'em circlin', honey
Can't you feel 'em swimmin' around
You got fins to the left, fins to the right
And you're the only bait in town
Oh oh
Oh oh
You got fins to the left, fins to the right
And you're the only girl in town
Lyrics www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/jimmy_buffett/

She's saving up all of her money
Wants to head it south in May
Maybe roll in the sand with a rock 'n' roll man
Somewhere down Montserrat way

But the money's good in the season
Helps to lighten up her load
Boys keep her high as the months go by
She's getting postcards from the road

Chorus:
Can't you feel 'em closin' in, honey
Can't you feel 'em schoolin' around
You got fins to the left, fins to the right
And you're the only girl in town

Sailed off to Antigua
It took her three days on a boat
Lookin' for some peace and quiet
Maybe keep her dreams afloat

But now she feels like a remora
'Cause the school's still close at hand
Just behind the reef are the big white teeth
Of the sharks that can swim on the land

Chorus:
Can't you feel 'em circlin', honey
Can't you feel 'em schoolin' around
You got fins to the left, fins to the right
And you're the only bait in town
You got fins to the left, fins to the right
And you're the only girl in town



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Sharks aren't a menace, Roger. They are carnivous fish. They kill to eat, by preference other fish although they are somewhat flexible if hungry and local fish stocks are low. They are also fairly easy to avoid. Unfortunately mankind is over-fishing to a point as to threaten shark populations worldwide. THAT is the real menace.

Here's a nice little report on 2010's reported worldwide shark attacks.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/isaf/2010summary.html

Notice total attacks in the world as reported were 115, with 79 of those deemed as unprovoked . For comparison the CITY of Los Angeles (not the county which is MUCH MUCH larger) reported 271 homicides in 2010, and were delighted to do so because it marks a low point not seen since the late '60s.

Media love playing up the 'danger of sharks' because it creates fear and promotes their business model. The reality is that sharks aren't a significant cause of human fatalities. Neither are threats from any other animal species. Human stupidity is by far the greater killer.

Don't feed the fear.


Mark A. Baker

Ooooo, you are being soo, serious . . . .

Here I am giving my friends some good advice about taking care of themselves downunnda and you do a make nothing of it. :melodramatic:

Maybe I should introduce you to a barefoot walk through our Taipan snake country for a real challenge? :biggrin:

In the days before mechanical sugar cane cutters, the fields were set afire in part to rid the area of these particular nasties. :nervous:

R
 
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Ditto for me in spades. Same sentiments I had back in '80, having been a very experienced auditor at the time.

One perspective that's given me a lot of solace over the years is that I view the whole thing, all 60+ years of it, as a pilot project. And considered as a pilot project, you have to take an unvarnished look around and see what you've ended up with. I know some massive permanent gains were had by some; some hits and some misses; some successes and failures.

Unfortunately, there's no one around anymore to finish the pilot. And that's a fact too.

You look around and see the products of the tech and lack of products of the tech and they're truly as visible as the sky. We all know them, see them, read about them . . . and, well, are them.

Considering all this 60 years of activity as a pilot project, an experiment, an attempt at something, I'm happy to take what good I got out of it and move on with my life. Fortunately for me, I got almost all benefit and very little harm. But that's because of who I am and how I navigated the war and dodged bullets during the years I was very active.

I sat on the hillside for the most part after '78, watching the battle from the safety of a shade tree, except for a few forays onto the battlefield to do a couple of services. Then back to the shade tree.

Anyways in my older wisdom, I'm OK with seeing it as a half completed pilot project that ended in the early 80's in terms of research. And the results of which poured out onto the Internet for all to see in the last decade. Doesn't seem so serious that way. It's a very relaxed, maybe more accurate, point of view about it all.

The people that it's still serious for are the koolaiders. And that's some serious.

In my twilight years, I prefer ice tea. :coolwink: Yep, sure do.

And nice a concerto and memorable sunset. :thumbsup:

ILove2Lurk

I apologize I am so long in commenting on this excellent post, ILove2Lurk. It's taken a while for your wonderful "Take" to finish brewin' in me rumen. :coolwink:

I like the concept of “Pilot Project” and find it very apropos to some of my experience in Scn and my knowledge of its History…both written and the oral “History” told to me by “Old Timers”.

Personally, I think that far more than we will ever know of what was “good” in Scn is comes from others than El Ron. It is without doubt that what is “bad” in Scn is from El Ron, although probably a fair amount of that was “borrowed” and “adapted” from others in the course of Hisself’s “research”.

Unfortunately…and I have first hand experience with this…when El Ron commandeered something from another Hisself always had to “Improve” it by Fing it up a little here and a little there.

In the pioneering spirit of the ‘50’s and ‘60’s a whole bunch of folks were coming across some interesting stuff and spoon feeding Hisself. El Ron was not “The Great Organizer or Codifier”, Hisself was “The Great Usurper and Copywriter”. El Ron was not the sole “Source” of Scn, Hisself was the great “Showman” of Scn. Without the considerable contributions, work and sacrifice of others El Ron woulda been a “One Hit Wonder”.

The more I studied the early materials of Scn...the Bullitens, Tapes, PAB’s, Newsletters, etc…the more I realized that KSW was a lie and that El Ron knew it. I had had a problem with KSW from the get go, which I had managed to safely keep to myself. But, as the years rolled forward and I continued to read, listen and talk to Old Timers, it confirmed that my initial “WTF?” with KSW had nothing to do with my “Case” or lack of knowledge of the “Tech”.

The Pilot Project came to an end when Hisself decided to do away with the last remaining of the pioneers that had spent much of their lives establishing Scn and making El Ron look like something he was not.

El Ron wanted all the credit for anything “good” and none of the accountability for anything “bad”. That’s why, in the end, “Mankind’s Greatest Friend” died alone in a motor home, cowering in fear of being held accountable for all Hisself had taken personal credit for having “Created”.

Face :)
 
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Sharks aren't a menace, Roger. They are carnivous fish. They kill to eat, by preference other fish although they are somewhat flexible if hungry and local fish stocks are low. They are also fairly easy to avoid. Unfortunately mankind is over-fishing to a point as to threaten shark populations worldwide. THAT is the real menace.

Here's a nice little report on 2010's reported worldwide shark attacks.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/isaf/2010summary.html

Notice total attacks in the world as reported were 115, with 79 of those deemed as unprovoked . For comparison the CITY of Los Angeles (not the county which is MUCH MUCH larger) reported 271 homicides in 2010, and were delighted to do so because it marks a low point not seen since the late '60s.

Media love playing up the 'danger of sharks' because it creates fear and promotes their business model. The reality is that sharks aren't a significant cause of human fatalities. Neither are threats from any other animal species. Human stupidity is by far the greater killer.

Don't feed the fear.


Mark A. Baker

As usual, he misses the mark............very widely.

What people "fear" is being eaten alive. Just not acceptable.

Getting shot or killed in a car accident is much more acceptable.
 
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