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That did it! Thank you for posting!
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The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Big thank you CarmeloOrchards!
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Re: Lectures and a radio interview by John McMaster
I heard these some years ago - looking forward to hearing them again. Thanks.
I heard these some years ago - looking forward to hearing them again. Thanks.
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Hatshepsut
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I was thinking along the same lines last week as I was going over all my prejudices. I skimmed to see if I 'really' felt that way. Most of the time I DID. Just like false purposes, I realized I had picked up and adopted some opinions that weren't mine. And the funny thing is that while I was contemplating, this datum___ "The WHY is God" came into my head. I realized.....and this was luscious__ that my reasons for doing certain things was totally obsolete. There was no truth behind the whys that drove me anymore. Its kind of like continuing to drive a small car after the price of gas has come way down. This kind of situation with me was most easily detected by sorting out my incongruent goals while starting to create a sort of Admin Scale. I needed old incomplete cycles to no longer hinder my forward movement. These were things where my 'decisions' had caused an energy to fire into fomenting something in the future. Because I had decided one thing, another future decision was based on it, and another one on the vision after. Then kaboom....some of it I found didn't align with my own passions at all. Those slightly false 'why's' were driving me in curly cues. Always look over the people you have admired and scan what traits you may have borrowed....and which ideas.
When getting ready to cull and dump some of my 'stuff' in the wastebasket, I noticed some of these things weren't even my own ambitions or did not further my basic values and goals at all.
I was thinking along the same lines last week as I was going over all my prejudices. I skimmed to see if I 'really' felt that way. Most of the time I DID. Just like false purposes, I realized I had picked up and adopted some opinions that weren't mine. And the funny thing is that while I was contemplating, this datum___ "The WHY is God" came into my head. I realized.....and this was luscious__ that my reasons for doing certain things was totally obsolete. There was no truth behind the whys that drove me anymore. Its kind of like continuing to drive a small car after the price of gas has come way down. This kind of situation with me was most easily detected by sorting out my incongruent goals while starting to create a sort of Admin Scale. I needed old incomplete cycles to no longer hinder my forward movement. These were things where my 'decisions' had caused an energy to fire into fomenting something in the future. Because I had decided one thing, another future decision was based on it, and another one on the vision after. Then kaboom....some of it I found didn't align with my own passions at all. Those slightly false 'why's' were driving me in curly cues. Always look over the people you have admired and scan what traits you may have borrowed....and which ideas.
When getting ready to cull and dump some of my 'stuff' in the wastebasket, I noticed some of these things weren't even my own ambitions or did not further my basic values and goals at all.
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Hatshepsut
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I just listened to the first of these McMaster links. A condition below treason expressed here as 'betrayal' after knowing' is a BIG one. Not many things have caused me as much grief. When you come to a realization of the Truth, you know it! If you make nothing of the fact or invalidate it you have nowhere to progress on that subject after that point. Disastrous if one of your greatest raisons detre is to discover Truth for yourself.
I remember once when I was doing the Purif in 1980. Big wowser of a release where I went out like a slingshot miles above me and shot right back. I realized the drugs I had been protesting were not in my present body, but were hindering me from another location entirely. I was too associated still, with some captured body soaking in a vat somewhere. I was somewhat trapped by it. When I went release from that trap, I INVALIDATED IT.
Well, I continued to do the Purif as I thought maybe things could get even better! 
I never completely acknowledged it and even though I wrote it up for the day I got no ack from the super either. Whaaammm. I slammed hard right back into that former PTS condition. And I went into a full revivification of HOW I got that way....soaking. 
I ended up in the hospital. It took months for it to subside. My blood pressure had gone so high in the sauna after going back in there that I could not bend my arms for the force of it and I ended up in the hospital with the suppressive presence that was around the 'soaker' now attached to me.
Last month I fell in love with the Cuyahoga County forest in Northeastern Ohio. I decided I wanted to temporarily rent a place on the very edge of the woods. I knew I was shopping in a more expensive suburb and I had no proof of a job lined up yet. I also had no car as it had been stolen. I rode my bicycle every day for hours combing the back streets that dead ended at the edge of the forest where most of the city had forgetten there was even real estate. I was in awe of what I was finding. THEN on the way home on my bicycle about 8 o'clock at night I saw a sign. I called the number on it. The place was HUGE. It was upstairs with a view of the parks. It was on 2 acres of land surrounded by tall trees. The attic was bigger than some peoples' houses. It had closets galore. It had a back porch upstairs that you could store all of your relatives riding lawn mowers and tools in with room to spare. It was owned by a multi millionaire who did not need the money, who did not want a deposit, did not care that I had a passle of cats, no job, no car, etc. In fact he often found himself selling off his land to the Cleveland Metro Parks. He and his wife were busy putting up new blinds and cleaning and painting, and the place was already gorgeous. The fire department and the police department were right across the street as was the Brooklyn Heights community center and dance hall and the parks entrance was across the road and down the hill. There was one police officer for every block in Brooklyn Heights because the warehouse district is down in the valley just behind the place I wanted to live in. These warehouse industry moguls paid heavily to keep their businesses running and their goods from being boosted.
And you got it.....I ended up passing on it because I was bullied out of town by someone. I have been 'sad' ever since. My vision I had achieved....almost 3000 square feet for ......$475 a month. 
I could have stayed until my dad who is on hospice made his passing. The elderly owner said he just wanted the 'right' person for it and he and his wife had prayed on it ___ I was IT. A gift fell out of the heavens__ and I PASSED ON IT. I knew it was a right item. Everything within me aligned. I blew it. Now I am typing in a Fla location I resent and I feel ashamed I did not battle for what I knew was my true goal. 
And it also feels just like a list error....got no other term to use here right off the cuff. I was coming back to Orlando anyway but something changed, the goal did a reversal two weeks before the date and the impetus of my life force flowed with it. (When I got down here I found all hell broke out here in those two weeks)
OK. On to the next McMaster tape.
I just listened to the first of these McMaster links. A condition below treason expressed here as 'betrayal' after knowing' is a BIG one. Not many things have caused me as much grief. When you come to a realization of the Truth, you know it! If you make nothing of the fact or invalidate it you have nowhere to progress on that subject after that point. Disastrous if one of your greatest raisons detre is to discover Truth for yourself.
I remember once when I was doing the Purif in 1980. Big wowser of a release where I went out like a slingshot miles above me and shot right back. I realized the drugs I had been protesting were not in my present body, but were hindering me from another location entirely. I was too associated still, with some captured body soaking in a vat somewhere. I was somewhat trapped by it. When I went release from that trap, I INVALIDATED IT.
Well, I continued to do the Purif as I thought maybe things could get even better! I never completely acknowledged it and even though I wrote it up for the day I got no ack from the super either. Whaaammm. I slammed hard right back into that former PTS condition. And I went into a full revivification of HOW I got that way....soaking. I ended up in the hospital. It took months for it to subside. My blood pressure had gone so high in the sauna after going back in there that I could not bend my arms for the force of it and I ended up in the hospital with the suppressive presence that was around the 'soaker' now attached to me.Last month I fell in love with the Cuyahoga County forest in Northeastern Ohio. I decided I wanted to temporarily rent a place on the very edge of the woods. I knew I was shopping in a more expensive suburb and I had no proof of a job lined up yet. I also had no car as it had been stolen. I rode my bicycle every day for hours combing the back streets that dead ended at the edge of the forest where most of the city had forgetten there was even real estate. I was in awe of what I was finding. THEN on the way home on my bicycle about 8 o'clock at night I saw a sign. I called the number on it. The place was HUGE. It was upstairs with a view of the parks. It was on 2 acres of land surrounded by tall trees. The attic was bigger than some peoples' houses. It had closets galore. It had a back porch upstairs that you could store all of your relatives riding lawn mowers and tools in with room to spare. It was owned by a multi millionaire who did not need the money, who did not want a deposit, did not care that I had a passle of cats, no job, no car, etc. In fact he often found himself selling off his land to the Cleveland Metro Parks. He and his wife were busy putting up new blinds and cleaning and painting, and the place was already gorgeous. The fire department and the police department were right across the street as was the Brooklyn Heights community center and dance hall and the parks entrance was across the road and down the hill. There was one police officer for every block in Brooklyn Heights because the warehouse district is down in the valley just behind the place I wanted to live in. These warehouse industry moguls paid heavily to keep their businesses running and their goods from being boosted.
And you got it.....I ended up passing on it because I was bullied out of town by someone. I have been 'sad' ever since. My vision I had achieved....almost 3000 square feet for ......$475 a month. I could have stayed until my dad who is on hospice made his passing. The elderly owner said he just wanted the 'right' person for it and he and his wife had prayed on it ___ I was IT. A gift fell out of the heavens__ and I PASSED ON IT. I knew it was a right item. Everything within me aligned. I blew it. Now I am typing in a Fla location I resent and I feel ashamed I did not battle for what I knew was my true goal. And it also feels just like a list error....got no other term to use here right off the cuff. I was coming back to Orlando anyway but something changed, the goal did a reversal two weeks before the date and the impetus of my life force flowed with it. (When I got down here I found all hell broke out here in those two weeks)OK. On to the next McMaster tape.
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Mark A. Baker
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I just finished listening to that one also. AMAZING recording. John was very low key and gentle in his speaking, but the viewpoints he had to offer really offer some significant alternative alignments of the subject of scientology. I'm going to be processing his remarks about releases in general and especially those dealing with serfacs and their unanticipated affects for some time to come.
As to the Ohio scene, at least you are away from the obvious insanity and the clear threat it posed to your continued well being. Here's to hoping that the relocation works out well for you.
Mark A. Baker
I just finished listening to that one also. AMAZING recording. John was very low key and gentle in his speaking, but the viewpoints he had to offer really offer some significant alternative alignments of the subject of scientology. I'm going to be processing his remarks about releases in general and especially those dealing with serfacs and their unanticipated affects for some time to come.
As to the Ohio scene, at least you are away from the obvious insanity and the clear threat it posed to your continued well being. Here's to hoping that the relocation works out well for you.
Mark A. Baker
Hatshepsut
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I still don't quite get the concept of 'circuitrizing' but then I'm not an electrician...and I think in pictures and just can't come up with one.
Yes, John is very gentle. I can tell by how he describes his relationship to 'human beings' that the valence isn't a long time point of orientation for him. His appreciation for the sovereignty of an individual, and the relationship to ideas that might link him up to and entrap him in network 'fields' is insightful.
And on to the third tape for me....
I still don't quite get the concept of 'circuitrizing' but then I'm not an electrician...and I think in pictures and just can't come up with one.
Yes, John is very gentle. I can tell by how he describes his relationship to 'human beings' that the valence isn't a long time point of orientation for him. His appreciation for the sovereignty of an individual, and the relationship to ideas that might link him up to and entrap him in network 'fields' is insightful.
And on to the third tape for me....
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Hatshepsut
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I was told I would get no help nor be driven to search for a second car if I did not leave the state. I totally triggered an old closed out universe which would kill both of us if that can was opened again. It was a mess. Mom said she felt on the verge of becoming mentally ill if I stayed around. I was feeling it too. Some of the most saintly people have been murdering bastards and believe me they don't want ANYTHING to do with that area. And yeah, it works both ways.
I was told I would get no help nor be driven to search for a second car if I did not leave the state. I totally triggered an old closed out universe which would kill both of us if that can was opened again. It was a mess. Mom said she felt on the verge of becoming mentally ill if I stayed around. I was feeling it too. Some of the most saintly people have been murdering bastards and believe me they don't want ANYTHING to do with that area. And yeah, it works both ways.
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Mark A. Baker
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I took it as short hand for 'reducing a person to a circuit' as in an automaticity. The term 'circuit' or 'demon circuit' is commonly used in dianetics much in the same way that the term 'valence' was used later in scientology.
Yes. I was also impressed with his direct discussion of exteriorization on that first tape.
Lucky you. Way past my bed time.
Mark A. Baker
I took it as short hand for 'reducing a person to a circuit' as in an automaticity. The term 'circuit' or 'demon circuit' is commonly used in dianetics much in the same way that the term 'valence' was used later in scientology.
... Yes, John is very gentle. I can tell by how he describes his relationship to 'human beings' that the valence isn't a long time point of orientation for him. His appreciation for the sovereignty of an individual the relationship of ideas that might link him up to and trap him in network 'fields' is insightful.
Yes. I was also impressed with his direct discussion of exteriorization on that first tape.
... And on to the third tape for me....
Lucky you. Way past my bed time.
Mark A. Baker
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Hatshepsut
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Nite...
Nite...
CarmeloOrchards
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John McMaster
John McMaster was the biggest most powerful being that I ever met. I remember him hitting me across a people filled room at the Santa Clara center in 1969, with a flow of love. My girl friend, Laurie Noonan, turned to me, and was blown away, by <what???> did I do to deserve that?!. It was pretty amazing to experience for a dumb teenager (me).
It was rumored that John had been Rudolf Valentino and JC. His PC folders from the power processes research were xeroxed for study on the the Class Vll course. He was walking around Jerusalem around year 1. In talks, he stated that for centuries, he hadn't been able to keep a body alive past 40 years of age. Despite losing his stomach to cancer in his mid twenties, thanks to auditing (his statement), he was able to live to almost 80.
These talks by John have been resonating with me for days. I've played them over and over.
His talk about truth is interesting based on what he became in the next several years.
He was capable of owning huge auditoriums of listeners. He spoke up against LRH's treatment of children on the Apollo. His integrity wasn't for sale.
On the other hand, he had big demons. His homosexuality was something he had trouble owning. He was a heavy drinker. I don't disbelieve Alan Walter's story of John getting drunk, and walking on a swimming pool.
Charlie Dunn's brother gave John a roof over his head for awhile in the mid 1970s. He recorded lots of conversations with John. John was very bitter about LRH.
Later on in the 70s, John gave a talk in the San Fernando Valley (California). Jack Horner, who hosted him in these 1970 talks (that I posted), went. John snubbed him.
By 1979, John died in a fleabag hotel in London, broke and drunk.
This is explicitly not a criticism. Just a comment, that no matter how smart one is, doesn't mean that there isn't more to learn.
The knowledge base of auditing and life truths has more frontiers. If the biggest and the brightest can fail, then it follows there is a lot to learn.
John McMaster was the biggest most powerful being that I ever met. I remember him hitting me across a people filled room at the Santa Clara center in 1969, with a flow of love. My girl friend, Laurie Noonan, turned to me, and was blown away, by <what???> did I do to deserve that?!. It was pretty amazing to experience for a dumb teenager (me).
It was rumored that John had been Rudolf Valentino and JC. His PC folders from the power processes research were xeroxed for study on the the Class Vll course. He was walking around Jerusalem around year 1. In talks, he stated that for centuries, he hadn't been able to keep a body alive past 40 years of age. Despite losing his stomach to cancer in his mid twenties, thanks to auditing (his statement), he was able to live to almost 80.
These talks by John have been resonating with me for days. I've played them over and over.
His talk about truth is interesting based on what he became in the next several years.
He was capable of owning huge auditoriums of listeners. He spoke up against LRH's treatment of children on the Apollo. His integrity wasn't for sale.
On the other hand, he had big demons. His homosexuality was something he had trouble owning. He was a heavy drinker. I don't disbelieve Alan Walter's story of John getting drunk, and walking on a swimming pool.
Charlie Dunn's brother gave John a roof over his head for awhile in the mid 1970s. He recorded lots of conversations with John. John was very bitter about LRH.
Later on in the 70s, John gave a talk in the San Fernando Valley (California). Jack Horner, who hosted him in these 1970 talks (that I posted), went. John snubbed him.
By 1979, John died in a fleabag hotel in London, broke and drunk.
This is explicitly not a criticism. Just a comment, that no matter how smart one is, doesn't mean that there isn't more to learn.
The knowledge base of auditing and life truths has more frontiers. If the biggest and the brightest can fail, then it follows there is a lot to learn.
lkwdblds
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Nice post Hats! I like your idea of continuing to drive an economy car AFTER the price of gas has come way down. I am finding that being an older person has its share of this type of thing. My pet peeve is a thorough, comprehensive and easy to use OWNER'S MANUAL for all the new things which are on the market.
Today's owner's manuals are either non existent or impossible to read. I get frustrated and can't figure out how to operate a new appliance and have to resort to asking one of my kids or a friend to help me out. When I complain about the lack of decent owner's manuals, the complaints fall on deaf ears. Younger people don't seem to want or need a detailed, well written Owner's Manual. They do everything intuitively or if they have a problem, they go on line and find the answers there. My son just throws away his owners' manuals for electronic items. They serve no purpose for him or most of the friends in his age group.
I am lost without a good owner's manual and I liken the Owner's Manual to your example of an economy car in a period of low gas prices. Whenever I buy something new, I am usually stuck with hours of frustration studying the flimsy owner's manual and failing to be able to use the item except for its most rudimentary functions.
Lakey
Nice post Hats! I like your idea of continuing to drive an economy car AFTER the price of gas has come way down. I am finding that being an older person has its share of this type of thing. My pet peeve is a thorough, comprehensive and easy to use OWNER'S MANUAL for all the new things which are on the market.
Today's owner's manuals are either non existent or impossible to read. I get frustrated and can't figure out how to operate a new appliance and have to resort to asking one of my kids or a friend to help me out. When I complain about the lack of decent owner's manuals, the complaints fall on deaf ears. Younger people don't seem to want or need a detailed, well written Owner's Manual. They do everything intuitively or if they have a problem, they go on line and find the answers there. My son just throws away his owners' manuals for electronic items. They serve no purpose for him or most of the friends in his age group.
I am lost without a good owner's manual and I liken the Owner's Manual to your example of an economy car in a period of low gas prices. Whenever I buy something new, I am usually stuck with hours of frustration studying the flimsy owner's manual and failing to be able to use the item except for its most rudimentary functions.
Lakey
Mark A. Baker
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Re: John McMaster
It's 'frontiers' all the way. The more you learn the more there is to know. The greater the growth the greater the potential for loss. PU as an environment is structured as a zero-sum game. That sets innate limits to every action and needs to be recognized as a part of individual growth.
Mark A. Baker
It's 'frontiers' all the way. The more you learn the more there is to know. The greater the growth the greater the potential for loss. PU as an environment is structured as a zero-sum game. That sets innate limits to every action and needs to be recognized as a part of individual growth.
Mark A. Baker
Ted
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I am right behind you, Lakey, generation-wise that is. By the time I learned how to program my VCR it was obsolete.
I like knobs on my gear. The multifunction buttons on modern stuff drive me crazy. Simple knobs: volume, tune, treble, bass, function--that sort of thing. Hand me a game controller and I am apt to put it right back down. A baseball bat and glove I understand. A game controller--fergetaboutit!
As for manuals, I can do Ikea. Pictures work for me. Get down to "Find 6 2-inch screws. Locate screw A in hole B. Do not tighten," and I am apt to wing it before I get into the nitty-gritty text. Sometimes that backfires, sometimes not.
Have you ever worked through a Mil Spec manual. The schematics are somewhat useful, the text is nearly useless submitted by a technical writer, not a technician. I learned the electronics trade by experimentation on the actual gear. Pull a tube, see what happens. Perform routine maintenance with a meter, scope, and frequency counter, you learn a lot.
See you got me going. Mention pet peeves and I can come up with a few.
I am right behind you, Lakey, generation-wise that is. By the time I learned how to program my VCR it was obsolete.
I like knobs on my gear. The multifunction buttons on modern stuff drive me crazy. Simple knobs: volume, tune, treble, bass, function--that sort of thing. Hand me a game controller and I am apt to put it right back down. A baseball bat and glove I understand. A game controller--fergetaboutit!
As for manuals, I can do Ikea. Pictures work for me. Get down to "Find 6 2-inch screws. Locate screw A in hole B. Do not tighten," and I am apt to wing it before I get into the nitty-gritty text. Sometimes that backfires, sometimes not.
Have you ever worked through a Mil Spec manual. The schematics are somewhat useful, the text is nearly useless submitted by a technical writer, not a technician. I learned the electronics trade by experimentation on the actual gear. Pull a tube, see what happens. Perform routine maintenance with a meter, scope, and frequency counter, you learn a lot.
See you got me going. Mention pet peeves and I can come up with a few.
Ted
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Re: John McMaster
What I learned years ago in the electronics industry is that the basics of a subject do not change unless there is a major paradigm shift. That doesn't happen often. The other stuff stemming from fundamentals can change fast and furiously.
Other beings are always creating something to know about. It's one way they attract attention. A single unit being can't keep up with a gaggle of others. So you learn whatever you can to be proficient at the job, then plan on learning something else as the paradigm shifts. It's a bit of a gamble. I studied tubes and transistors--discrete components. Back then, when something went bad you find out exactly what, and perhaps why, then fix it by replacing components. As I was leaving the industry the techs were being reduced to finding what module had gone bad, then replace that whole bank of components. Today, electronics are so cheap that when a machine goes bad at the consumer level the entire machine gets replaced. That's cheaper than repair.
Anyway, the point is: Beings are constantly creating things to know about. In some industries it is impossible to keep up knowing all. But fundamentals rarely change. These can be known. That previous observation served me well as an auditor. Fundamentals.
What I learned years ago in the electronics industry is that the basics of a subject do not change unless there is a major paradigm shift. That doesn't happen often. The other stuff stemming from fundamentals can change fast and furiously.
Other beings are always creating something to know about. It's one way they attract attention. A single unit being can't keep up with a gaggle of others. So you learn whatever you can to be proficient at the job, then plan on learning something else as the paradigm shifts. It's a bit of a gamble. I studied tubes and transistors--discrete components. Back then, when something went bad you find out exactly what, and perhaps why, then fix it by replacing components. As I was leaving the industry the techs were being reduced to finding what module had gone bad, then replace that whole bank of components. Today, electronics are so cheap that when a machine goes bad at the consumer level the entire machine gets replaced. That's cheaper than repair.
Anyway, the point is: Beings are constantly creating things to know about. In some industries it is impossible to keep up knowing all. But fundamentals rarely change. These can be known. That previous observation served me well as an auditor. Fundamentals.
FoTi
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I feel the same way. Seems like the world has gotten too complex with all this electronic stuff and I feel left behind in the dust.
Last week we lost the internet, where I live, for a couple of days. When it came back on, I still couldn't get online. I called AT&T and a lady helped me to get it going again...(took her over an hour and she had to grab my computer to do it). Afterwards I asked her how she learned to do all this stuff. She said she grew up with it.....that it was really easy for her. She said she started with computers in the third grade....they just let them play on the computer and do whatever they wanted to do. She said it was really fun. Having grown up with it, she said she's totally comfortable with it, it's like second nature to her, and for her it's play.....that's what she said..."It's play". Her job is like play to her. She also has a degree in accounting 'cause she's good in math, but chooses a job having to with dealing with computer problems because it's fun for her. I guess us older folks just didn't get a body at the right time to be in the swing of things now. These kids seem so smart and it makes me feel so stupid, or maybe ignorant is the right word. I didn't used to feel that way.
I just got a new phone and I haven't opened the box for 3 days now because I don't want to have to face the confusion of trying to figure out a new electronic gadget.
I bought a digital camera 5 years ago. When I opened it up and looked at the manual my response we I put it back in the box and 3 years later I finally had someone show me how it worked. It has a camcorder in it, but to this day I haven't ever used it that way and don't know how to use it and have shyed away from even trying to learn how to use it in that manner......point and click is what I stick with.....can't deal with those manuals....
I totally get what you're saying, Lakey. These are complexities we didn't grow up with. Life used to be so much simpler.....I like simpler, but have to live with the progress of society. I wonder if other generations have felt this way with the advances of mankind.
I feel the same way. Seems like the world has gotten too complex with all this electronic stuff and I feel left behind in the dust.
Last week we lost the internet, where I live, for a couple of days. When it came back on, I still couldn't get online. I called AT&T and a lady helped me to get it going again...(took her over an hour and she had to grab my computer to do it). Afterwards I asked her how she learned to do all this stuff. She said she grew up with it.....that it was really easy for her. She said she started with computers in the third grade....they just let them play on the computer and do whatever they wanted to do. She said it was really fun. Having grown up with it, she said she's totally comfortable with it, it's like second nature to her, and for her it's play.....that's what she said..."It's play". Her job is like play to her. She also has a degree in accounting 'cause she's good in math, but chooses a job having to with dealing with computer problems because it's fun for her. I guess us older folks just didn't get a body at the right time to be in the swing of things now. These kids seem so smart and it makes me feel so stupid, or maybe ignorant is the right word. I didn't used to feel that way.
I just got a new phone and I haven't opened the box for 3 days now because I don't want to have to face the confusion of trying to figure out a new electronic gadget.
I bought a digital camera 5 years ago. When I opened it up and looked at the manual my response we
I put it back in the box and 3 years later I finally had someone show me how it worked. It has a camcorder in it, but to this day I haven't ever used it that way and don't know how to use it and have shyed away from even trying to learn how to use it in that manner......point and click is what I stick with.....can't deal with those manuals.... I totally get what you're saying, Lakey. These are complexities we didn't grow up with. Life used to be so much simpler.....I like simpler, but have to live with the progress of society. I wonder if other generations have felt this way with the advances of mankind.
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