The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[DartSmohen]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Interesting that this stuff is starting to come out about the Ranch and KN.
I was there last year and was asked by D & C to rewrite the course materials and put them into a more deliverable format. The problem was that neither D or C had the slightest idea what processing was all about. I remember being asked to explain to them the various types of listing and how to use this material.

Both Dean and I had serious misgivings about the way these two had phased out Alan's wishes to set up a board with Dean and myself involved. We both paid $900 toward the costs of incorporation. However, D & C decided they didn't want any outside involvement and returned our incorporation payments.

The break point for me was when I wanted to involve Roger in the technical upgrade. C got very upset and accused me of "cutting her power line" (whatever that meant?). I asked her if she would prefer if I was no longer involved with KN. Her reply was "Yes"!

Since then I have let it all drop. The funny thing is that both D & C were so paranoid about anyone outside themselves having any access to the Games Matrix material. In fact. I was with Alan shortly before he passed away. As a lot of his materials had come from our discussions over 30 years, there were two final, but vitally important steps which he had not written up. I knew them but D & C do not.

So, that is where matters stand.

It is ironic that the main introduction course that is delivered is a copy of the workshops Alan and I delivered to public and staff at the Ft Harrison back in the early 1980's.

To say I was delivering KN without paying is a total lie.

It came as no surprise that they got rid of Dean from their lines. In fact they got rid of anyone who they perceived as a "threat" to their (dwindling) income source.

To be fair, D & C had made a serious improvement to the Ranch and its property. However, their antipathy to anyone who had been involved in a "former practice" seriuosly warped their view on where to develop what they had.

The materials of KN are very workable and produce some amazing results in a very short period of time - providing you have an experienced processer who understands what processing actually is.

It is all very well to be able to parrot off a series of commands, but if you have no idea about the essential elements of processing you will ultimately fail.

Roger and I will look at taking the principles involved to a new level. The name Knowledgism is history. The developments made are very valid.

Dart

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

knowledgism

as I understand it, anyone can use knowledgism processes, just like they can use Scientology processes.

the copyrighted material, if procured legally with no covenants attached, are salable or gift - able

anyone making illegal copies --- that's another story

making a copy of a video, a CD or document, so long as it is a back up for redundancy purposes is legal

owners of copyrighted material, such as record companies, who try to squeeze blood from a turnip, usually end up losing more than what they hoped to gain.

 

[DartSmohen]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I saw someone had posted regarding Cherie & Eddie Wooderson.

Hmm... I was Chief of Advanced Courses on the ship in Valencia. I remember Cherie was soooo unreal about what she was trying to do in session. She used to have a rolled up magazine so she could swat "BT's" as they "left".

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I saw someone had posted regarding Cherie & Eddie Wooderson.

Hmm... I was Chief of Advanced Courses on the ship in Valencia. I remember Cherie was soooo unreal about what she was trying to do in session. She used to have a rolled up magazine so she could swat "BT's" as they "left".

OH MY GOD!!! THAT IS THE BEST ONE LINER I"VE READ IN A COON'S AGE!!!

 

[RogerB]

Re: from the Knowledgism Field thread

source:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...wledgism-Field&p=435625&viewfull=1#post435625

Well, sir, that information you cite here is 18 months old . . . .

Dart has put the current scene in PT into context.

For my part I'm not into spreading bits and pieces and incomplete info that in reality is only an inference of bad news that puts folks into a WTF. If there is bad news to be shared, it needs be fully expounded on so the facts and nuances can be understood and aligned.

I re-wrote the VF1 and 2 course checksheets for Alan when he was alive because the course checksheets E. Wolery put together were not courses but merely a stupid catalogue of content which left the newbie student adrift in a chaos of "what first" and BPC on out-gradients due to doing things in the wrong order due to following the list of material in erroneous sequence for learning

It was another of his subtle sabotages . . . .

As to any other bad news or scuttle-buttle about the ranch, for my part it stays there. We've got better things to put our attention on.

R

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

... The problem was that neither D or C had the slightest idea what processing was all about. ...

It's ironic that Alan's attempt at expanding the tech should wind up upon his death in a similar corporate pattern to that of the church; by which I mean those who don't know the tech wind up in charge and those who do wind up on the outs.

... Roger and I will look at taking the principles involved to a new level. The name Knowledgism is history. The developments made are very valid.

Dart

By all means do, please. And when you do please consider 'open sourcing' the materials as with making them, or at least some of them, available via some sort of creative commons license. That will preserve your copyrights while ensuring their availability to others. It would also allow for the continuing expansion of the general subject by others with experience in these matters.

See the following web link for some particulars about the creative commons: http://creativecommons.org/


Mark A. Baker

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Interesting that this stuff is starting to come out about the Ranch and KN.
I was there last year and was asked by D & C to rewrite the course materials and put them into a more deliverable format. The problem was that neither D or C had the slightest idea what processing was all about. I remember being asked to explain to them the various types of listing and how to use this material.

Both Dean and I had serious misgivings about the way these two had phased out Alan's wishes to set up a board with Dean and myself involved. We both paid $900 toward the costs of incorporation. However, D & C decided they didn't want any outside involvement and returned our incorporation payments.

The break point for me was when I wanted to involve Roger in the technical upgrade. C got very upset and accused me of "cutting her power line" (whatever that meant?). I asked her if she would prefer if I was no longer involved with KN. Her reply was "Yes"!

Since then I have let it all drop. The funny thing is that both D & C were so paranoid about anyone outside themselves having any access to the Games Matrix material. In fact. I was with Alan shortly before he passed away. As a lot of his materials had come from our discussions over 30 years, there were two final, but vitally important steps which he had not written up. I knew them but D & C do not.

So, that is where matters stand.

It is ironic that the main introduction course that is delivered is a copy of the workshops Alan and I delivered to public and staff at the Ft Harrison back in the early 1980's.

To say I was delivering KN without paying is a total lie.

It came as no surprise that they got rid of Dean from their lines. In fact they got rid of anyone who they perceived as a "threat" to their (dwindling) income source.

To be fair, D & C had made a serious improvement to the Ranch and its property. However, their antipathy to anyone who had been involved in a "former practice" seriuosly warped their view on where to develop what they had.

The materials of KN are very workable and produce some amazing results in a very short period of time - providing you have an experienced processer who understands what processing actually is.

It is all very well to be able to parrot off a series of commands, but if you have no idea about the essential elements of processing you will ultimately fail.

Roger and I will look at taking the principles involved to a new level. The name Knowledgism is history. The developments made are very valid.

Dart

Yes, a few too many lies are coming from or about that area; as that above in red about you.

The thing about Dean initiating a 2D "with a student there" . . . is so off the mark as to be be as silly as what the Cof$ puts out.

Firstly, Dean is not nor never was on staff or a student there, but simply a long time friend of Alan's who also ran Alan's Dallas Mission in the "old days."

And in fact, the lady in question was a student there in Sept. 2005 . . . that I was falsely accused of "knocking off lines" (as in causing to not return for services) at the time.

So this accusation against Dean is twoddle on the face of it.

Off course, the same "comm-lines," where ever they begin and whomever is on them, laid the accusation against me that I'm an alcoholic.

Ahh, well, anything for bad news, I suppose.

R

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

It's ironic that Alan's attempt at expanding the tech should wind up upon his death in a similar corporate pattern to that of the church; by which I mean those who don't know the tech wind up in charge and those who do wind up on the outs.





By all means do, please. And when you do please consider 'open sourcing' the materials as with making them, or at least some of them, available via some sort of creative commons license. That will preserve your copyrights while ensuring their availability to others. It would also allow for the continuing expansion of the general subject by others with experience in these matters.

See the following web link for some particulars about the creative commons: http://creativecommons.org/


Mark A. Baker

The principles, the wisdom and the tech we old war-horses have gleaned and developed is already being put into the "common."

That's what our posts on ESMB and also the work that DullOldFart, Dart, and I have done in putting up stuff is all about.

Part of the game is watching what people do with it or not do with it, or do to it, against it and such. That determines who further can be entrusted with it.

This game of discovery, and of developing handlings for discoveries, is not rocket science once you "get out of the box" and have an understanding of certain key principles.

From then on it is all down hill on an easy glide home . . . just takes time. That's all.

Rog

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

The principles, the wisdom and the tech we old war-horses have gleaned and developed is already being put into the "common."

That's what our posts on ESMB and also the work that DullOldFart, Dart, and I have done in putting up stuff is all about.

Part of the game is watching what people do with it or not do with it, or do to it, against it and such. That determines who further can be entrusted with it.

This game of discovery, and of developing handlings for discoveries, is not rocket science once you "get out of the box" and have an understanding of certain key principles.

From then on it is all down hill on an easy glide home . . . just takes time. That's all.

Rog

That is certainly true and I for one appreciate that you have deliberately set out to do so. Still, there are some definite benefits to releasing any materials you two may develop under the specifics of something like the Creative Commons license. The CC has been developed to ease the process of sharing information across broad distributed groups of users while keeping the original information available & intact. More in private.


Mark A. Baker

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

David & Ceil

One more tack in their coffin:

They have started doing the "Codes" again. They have done Jeff, thier foreman and another.

Neither of them is capable of creating the huge safe space required to do the L & N properly. This will surely come back catastrophically in some way.

 

[Ted]

Re: David & Ceil

One more tack in their coffin:

They have started doing the "Codes" again. They have done Jeff, thier foreman and another.

Neither of them is capable of creating the huge safe space required to do the L & N properly. This will surely come back catastrophically in some way.

On a.c.t. Alan casually mentioned that he had dropped the Codes in favor of something else as everyone pretty much came up with the same things.

True?

 

[FoTi]

Re: Leadership - Another Blast From the Past

Thanks to all who gave answers as to what's going on with Knowledgism.

I do have one more question, though. Why did Alan leave everything to those two?

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Thanks for explaining this Face; I REALLY understand what you are saying! I did mislead you as to whether I was recalling things from my past or whether I was getting things from the song. ACTUALLY I DID BOTH AND THEN MIXED THEM TOGETHER. This was poor writing, especially when dealing with very sharp people.

Two things are from my past. First I ran some pictures of being a 21 year old in 1860 while living on a ranch in the Texas - New Mexico area. In this incident, I was mortally shot by an Indian at close range while I was working on a fence. My Mom told me in the morning when I left the ranch house that she would make me a surprise meal for dinner when I returned home. My dying thoughts were of her.

The other thought was about how much fun it was out on the trail to wake up in the morning to the smell of bacon cooking and coffee brewing out on the plains. This thought is probably a combo of seeing Western movies plus camping out when a Boy Scout, where we often cooked up bacon in the mornings in the outdoors. The adults in charge would brew coffee for themselves.

All the rest of the data I was relating came from the song. My writing was slipshod, mixing personal memories plus opinions together with the contents of the song. I knew I had done that butI did not think it was important, believing that all the interest would be in the song and very little in my personal recall. I couldn't believe it when I was taken to task so heavily for inconsistencies in my story.

How wrong can a person be? Hardly anyone cared about the song but there was a lot of interest in pointing out errors in my story and my interpretations of the song. You guys are very sharp and perceptive here!! The moral is to either make sure that what you write is clear and accurate or to just not give a damn and write what you feel and just have some fun. I gave a damn and made an effort to clear up the muddle which I had created. Hopefully this post will finish the clean up.

Face, you did not misinterpret anything. Rather, you were very perceptive and were trying to make sense out of a mish mash created by me. Ditto for some of the other critical posts.

WOULDN'T YOU KNOW IT?This whole discussion, mainly fueled by Face turned out to be of great interest to me. As fate would have it, yesterday I was over at a friends house who is from Columbia. He was watching the "Mexico" channel on cable TV. A Mexican movie entitled "ESTAMPIDO" (The Stampede) was on. Guess what? That movie took place completely in Northern Mexico near the USA border and concerned a large herd of cattle. There were Mexican Vaqueros, USA Cowboys and Indians all vying for power in this story about a cattle drive. Check it out:


Lakey

Lakey,

Thank you.

If I sounded critical of you or like I was taking you to task I apologize. I wasn’t seeking to disparage you or your recall. I initially was trying to help you re: “doing something to shorten their tails” by offering castration as maybe what you were recalling when the calves were castrated –“cut” in Cowboy jargon—as they are cut and branded at the same time and the tail has to be kept out of the way.

There a lot of things I know a little about and a couple of things I know forwards and backwards, inside out and outside in—cattle and cattle ranching just happens to be one of them and has been the overarching dominant activity of my life and something I was immersed in more than twice as long as Scn. It’s a big chunk of my “DNA”, my “Take” and closely held to my Heart.

I would expect…and appreciate…you commenting on something that I posted about Classical Music (especially WAM), Mathematics or all things Jewish that just didn’t “jibe”. Those are things that are closely held to your Heart.

As far as the mending fences when you were shot…again I have no doubt that you recall that and your last thoughts. However, if it was in in West Texas in 1860 it was not a wire fence as barbed wire wasn’t patented until the late 1860’s and was not widely used until the improved “modern type” was patented in the mid 1870’s (which, BTW…along with the expansion of the rail system into North Texas) was the “Tipping Point” that eventually led to the last sunset to the great cattle drives. There was a very limited supply of wood in West Texas in 1860. Wood, in the case of cattle ranching in West Texas at that time, was used for horse corrals and "holding and working pens" for cattle at the ranch house headquarters and, out on open the range, "collecting, sorting and working pens". The range pens were often near a creak or water well and/or shade trees as it is easier to drive cattle to where there is water and shade. Rounding up cattle stresses them and they get real thirsty and overheated from the process. I say this not to take you to task but to be helpful in your recollecting.

As far as roundups and the ridin’ herd goes; when I was growing up my family was one of a local group of old ranching families that had grazing rights on thousands upon thousands of acres of Public Lands. Every year there was a joint roundup and sorting, processing and doctoring of cattle and calves and a drive of calves and culled bulls and cows to a co-op stockyard to be “fitted-up” to go to the Sale Barn. Selected bull calves and heifers were taken to the respective owners main ranch for herd improvement breeding programs. When I was young, we used to fatten our steers to go to market but, with the advent of centralized and specialized feedlots, it became more profitable and efficient to sell the weaned calves at the Sale Barn Auction or directly from the from the yard to "Order Buyers" . The roundups took about 2-3 weeks and I went on my first one at the age of 9 as a cook’s helper...it was kinda like bein' a Boy Scout with spurs, chaps and a Stetson as part of your uniform and John Wayne and Gary Cooper as the Scout Masters.

BTW, my oldest brother was/is one helluva Horseman and Cowboy. I’m not going to digress into the fascinating and epic story of his life other than to say that he was a PRCA Cowboy (Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association) and rode “The Circuit” for over 10 years—Calgary, Cheyenne, Pendleton, Reno, Cody, Denver, North Platte, Mandan, etc. and is a former Officer of the American Cutting Horse Association. He’ll turn 72 this year and still spends an average of 5 or 6 hours a day in the saddle workin’ cattle and training Cutting Horses.

All this was to say that I really “Grok” you re: the morning smell of bacon cookin’ and coffee brewin’ out on the trail. You weren’t and aren’t “wrong”…I was just tryin’ to help things along…running stock and farming is in a lot of folks “DNA”—throughout much of the World—whether they know it or not and that’s partly why CW Music, Duster Flicks and Hiking and Camping are still popular, IMO.

I’ve always been amazed at how many times in my life I have said something that was, to one degree or another, erroneous only to be corrected and learn something that, not long after, served me in good stead and helped me to better understand something that was happening.

AFAIAC, the “moral” here is:

“Keep on Keepin’ On and When Speakin’ Your Mind, Speak from Your Heart and Things Will Work Out Just Fine…as long as you don’t take yourself too seriously.

At this point I think I’ve "rode this here horse into the ground". Sure been fun to ramble on for a while about one of the very few things I actually know more about than most all Y’all.

Happy Trails.

Face

 

[DartSmohen]

Re: Leadership - Another Blast From the Past

Thanks to all who gave answers as to what's going on with Knowledgism.

I do have one more question, though. Why did Alan leave everything to those two?

It is a long story.

Alan,despite his technical brilliance was never any good at constructing close personal relationships. He put C & D in charge so he didn't have to become involved in the everyday running of the Ranch.

He smoked 15+ cheap cigars a day and contracted cancer in the mouith. He was a 6ft 4in man, weighing about 3-400lbs, depending on which diet he was on.

As part of his treatment he followed the medical advice and had extensive surgery, radiation and other butchery. In all his medical costs (med ins) was over $2 million.

I went to see him before he passed away. He was just skin and bones. He could not talk properly due to surgery. He resorted to all sorts of "natural" tresatment, imported a doctor from Mexico etc. I could see he was fading fast and asked him if he had made a will, or else the government would have taken the lot.

To C & D's credit they were tending to him day and night, changing his soiled clothes and trying to keep him going. C was his (sort of) partner. Alan wrote a will and left everything to C & D for them to continue his work.

I think you know the rest.

Dart

 

[DartSmohen]

Re: David & Ceil

On a.c.t. Alan casually mentioned that he had dropped the Codes in favor of something else as everyone pretty much came up with the same things.

True?

The problem was that the vast majority came up with items that were not their real codes. Only a few of us did it right. Also, Alan only had one or two who he entrusted to deliver the Codes, Eric and John Mace. John went back to Oz and broke contact and started trying to deliver the Codes out there, but in the end he failed.

Eric, for other reasons, parted company with Alan and the Ranch.

I suppose Alan realised that what the Codes set out to do required a newer approach, thus he ended up with an improved Games Matrix line up.

I had run the Games Matrix in the 1980's and it was far too powerful for your average client. It really cut through to the essence of the case, but could also knock both the processer and client around.

I remember a couple of examples; one lady had come into Scn to handle a lifelong problem. After 20+ years it remained unresolved. I told her we would handle it in 5 minutes(yeah, brash, I know). It took just 3 minutes to resolve it.

Another client had a "lazy" eye. After about 20 minutes he remarked that his eye had straightened up.

Usually, after a session I would tell the client that they may well feel a bit ill later on, the body needing time to adjust to what had been addressed.

Alan knew that the approach needed to be easier and the Games Matrix was developed. This was much easier (especially for the client). Most sessions lasted about 5-10 minutes as the client was "blown away" and on a high Ascension.

The original Codes put a person into an Asencion experience and what they ran into was the same oppterm that had knocked them down before. This was the phenomina of "crash & burn". Now we had a safe way to bring them through it. Alan was really a genius at developing the tech.

It directly deals with the full GPM case. At the Ranch I processed a close friend, well trained in Scn. He went through several full blown revivications in a 20 minute session, was so blown out and high that he would not have registered on a meter.

If you try and run this on a new client all that happens is that it is like skimming a pebble across the water. The more trained the client is, the deeper it will run.

So, that is basically why the Codes were dropped.

Dart

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: David & Ceil

... So, that is basically why the Codes were dropped.

Dart

Sounds like fun. Make mine a double.


Mark A. Baker

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

We have, on this thread, the best posters and the best posts

from cattle drives to codes

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

We have, on this thread, the best posters and the best posts

from cattle drives to codes

I'll second that!

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Lakey,

Thank you.

If I sounded critical of you or like I was taking you to task I apologize. I wasn’t seeking to disparage you or your recall. I initially was trying to help you re: “doing something to shorten their tails” by offering castration as maybe what you were recalling when the calves were castrated –“cut” in Cowboy jargon—as they are cut and branded at the same time and the tail has to be kept out of the way.

There a lot of things I know a little about and a couple of things I know forwards and backwards, inside out and outside in—cattle and cattle ranching just happens to be one of them and has been the overarching dominant activity of my life and something I was immersed in more than twice as long as Scn. It’s a big chunk of my “DNA”, my “Take” and closely held to my Heart.

I would expect…and appreciate…you commenting on something that I posted about Classical Music (especially WAM), Mathematics or all things Jewish that just didn’t “jibe”. Those are things that are closely held to your Heart.

As far as the mending fences when you were shot…again I have no doubt that you recall that and your last thoughts. However, if it was in in West Texas in 1860 it was not a wire fence as barbed wire wasn’t patented until the late 1860’s and was not widely used until the improved “modern type” was patented in the mid 1870’s (which, BTW…along with the expansion of the rail system into North Texas) was the “Tipping Point” that eventually led to the last sunset to the great cattle drives. There was a very limited supply of wood in West Texas in 1860. Wood, in the case of cattle ranching in West Texas at that time, was used for horse corrals and "holding and working pens" for cattle at the ranch house headquarters and, out on open the range, "collecting, sorting and working pens". The range pens were often near a creak or water well and/or shade trees as it is easier to drive cattle to where there is water and shade. Rounding up cattle stresses them and they get real thirsty and overheated from the process. I say this not to take you to task but to be helpful in your recollecting.

As far as roundups and the ridin’ herd goes; when I was growing up my family was one of a local group of old ranching families that had grazing rights on thousands upon thousands of acres of Public Lands. Every year there was a joint roundup and sorting, processing and doctoring of cattle and calves and a drive of calves and culled bulls and cows to a co-op stockyard to be “fitted-up” to go to the Sale Barn. Selected bull calves and heifers were taken to the respective owners main ranch for herd improvement breeding programs. When I was young, we used to fatten our steers to go to market but, with the advent of centralized and specialized feedlots, it became more profitable and efficient to sell the weaned calves at the Sale Barn Auction or directly from the from the yard to "Order Buyers" . The roundups took about 2-3 weeks and I went on my first one at the age of 9 as a cook’s helper...it was kinda like bein' a Boy Scout with spurs, chaps and a Stetson as part of your uniform and John Wayne and Gary Cooper as the Scout Masters.

BTW, my oldest brother was/is one helluva Horseman and Cowboy. I’m not going to digress into the fascinating and epic story of his life other than to say that he was a PRCA Cowboy (Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association) and rode “The Circuit” for over 10 years—Calgary, Cheyenne, Pendleton, Reno, Cody, Denver, North Platte, Mandan, etc. and is a former Officer of the American Cutting Horse Association. He’ll turn 72 this year and still spends an average of 5 or 6 hours a day in the saddle workin’ cattle and training Cutting Horses.

All this was to say that I really “Grok” you re: the morning smell of bacon cookin’ and coffee brewin’ out on the trail. You weren’t and aren’t “wrong”…I was just tryin’ to help things along…running stock and farming is in a lot of folks “DNA”—throughout much of the World—whether they know it or not and that’s partly why CW Music, Duster Flicks and Hiking and Camping are still popular, IMO.

I’ve always been amazed at how many times in my life I have said something that was, to one degree or another, erroneous only to be corrected and learn something that, not long after, served me in good stead and helped me to better understand something that was happening.

AFAIAC, the “moral” here is:

“Keep on Keepin’ On and When Speakin’ Your Mind, Speak from Your Heart and Things Will Work Out Just Fine…as long as you don’t take yourself too seriously.

At this point I think I’ve "rode this here horse into the ground". Sure been fun to ramble on for a while about one of the very few things I actually know more about than most all Y’all.

Happy Trails.

Face

Thanks again for all the additional data. Never in this entire discussion did I ever feel that YOU were criticizing me or putting me down. You always backed up your corrections with facts in a very positive, educational and helpful manner. The sincerity and effort to educate and share your expertise came through very strongly.

Sorry to say but I did not feel that way about some of the other posters. Even so, this is only a discussion board and if some people enjoy writing condescending posts or posts designed to insiduously poke fun at someone they have the right to do so.

Yep, I agree that we "rode this horse into the ground". Also, I like you advise on speaking ones mind and speaking from the heart. That formula has sure worked out well here on ESMB for those of us who use it.
Lakey

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Akim Camara age 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN2SQ4m7M04&feature=related

Akim Camara age 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DreyVZ49_mA&feature=related

Lain is 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHOsbZTD8nU&feature=related

7 year old Shuan Hern Lee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnVNZ413yfE&feature=related

I don't know how old Aimi Kobaya is here, but her feet don't reach the floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVmDg_8St-c&feature=related

And here is Aimi Kobaya again.....this little girl is incredible!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrW_cQibcis&feature=related

These kids amaze me. How fortunate they are to be so talented.