The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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Commander Birdsong
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
it ain't working well for them; they're drowning in their own koolaid
and, sad to say, the very many good things about the subject developed by ron and his colleagues is going under with 'em...
it ain't working well for them; they're drowning in their own koolaid
and, sad to say, the very many good things about the subject developed by ron and his colleagues is going under with 'em...
Commander Birdsong
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
tell me something lakey...
are you familiar with sterling concept of Three Bullet Points?
tell me something lakey...
are you familiar with sterling concept of Three Bullet Points?
Gizmo
Rabble Rouser
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
And, "disconnection", per se, ain't all that bad.
If a person is cowed by another & just, seemingly, on their own can not get out from under the harmful - if not hurtful - thumb of another then by all means disconnection is a pretty dang valid way to handle one person far too much effect of another.
Abused woman or child? Overly brow beaten person? For instance IRL I know an adult woman who is completely dominated by her mother - she'd have to get away from her mother to be able to revover some semblance of herself.
However, forcing person A to disconnect from person B because I have an upset with person B ? Insane.
scn has used disconnection as an enforcement tool rather than for help.
Painting disconnection with too broad a brush of " all disconnection should be abolished" doesn't seem the best way - or use - of that tool.
Even in scn - sparingl,y if not rarely - disconnection was used to help. PC is getting auditing but has someone constantly critical. PC flounders.
Here is where " disconnection" can ( not always would ) "work". PC "disconnects" from critical person. Only a fool would not know in the mind of that PC that this is temporary disconnect. Why ? Love!
So, auditor gets a run at auditing PC & PC may - or may not - hook back up with the one who was critical.
Seems fair. Fair ? Giving scn a shot at a person ? yep. That PC choose scn so they get to have a fair run at it.
Even now - as not caring for scn or what it does as I am - if a person makes the choice to be in scn that is their choice they get to make.
Scn does go on to greatly abuse disconnection and use it as a tool to ruin families, spouses, people & all that.
But, scn has acquired a reputation for abuse so nothing new there.
There is no need to shun the correct use of disconnection as here & there in real life it can be helpful.
Hey, if a person is always an unpleasant jerk & I design my life to exclude them - isn't that the same as a disconnection *I* chose ?
Choice may be key in disconnection ?
And, "disconnection", per se, ain't all that bad.
If a person is cowed by another & just, seemingly, on their own can not get out from under the harmful - if not hurtful - thumb of another then by all means disconnection is a pretty dang valid way to handle one person far too much effect of another.
Abused woman or child? Overly brow beaten person? For instance IRL I know an adult woman who is completely dominated by her mother - she'd have to get away from her mother to be able to revover some semblance of herself.
However, forcing person A to disconnect from person B because I have an upset with person B ? Insane.
scn has used disconnection as an enforcement tool rather than for help.
Painting disconnection with too broad a brush of " all disconnection should be abolished" doesn't seem the best way - or use - of that tool.
Even in scn - sparingl,y if not rarely - disconnection was used to help. PC is getting auditing but has someone constantly critical. PC flounders.
Here is where " disconnection" can ( not always would ) "work". PC "disconnects" from critical person. Only a fool would not know in the mind of that PC that this is temporary disconnect. Why ? Love!
So, auditor gets a run at auditing PC & PC may - or may not - hook back up with the one who was critical.
Seems fair. Fair ? Giving scn a shot at a person ? yep. That PC choose scn so they get to have a fair run at it.
Even now - as not caring for scn or what it does as I am - if a person makes the choice to be in scn that is their choice they get to make.
Scn does go on to greatly abuse disconnection and use it as a tool to ruin families, spouses, people & all that.
But, scn has acquired a reputation for abuse so nothing new there.
There is no need to shun the correct use of disconnection as here & there in real life it can be helpful.
Hey, if a person is always an unpleasant jerk & I design my life to exclude them - isn't that the same as a disconnection *I* chose ?
Choice may be key in disconnection ?
West Grinsted
Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
It's going down straight and vertical! LOL
It's going down straight and vertical! LOL
West Grinsted
Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
"Yes, Ron created a perfect world for all that was destined in short order to become the world "standard". Absolutely hilarious, he made Orwel's 1984 a reality within a bubble, where bubble dwellers are the happiest of slaves!They have a future, certainty and the tech to handle anything including us super-SPs.
"Yes, Ron created a perfect world for all that was destined in short order to become the world "standard". Absolutely hilarious, he made Orwel's 1984 a reality within a bubble, where bubble dwellers are the happiest of slaves!They have a future, certainty and the tech to handle anything including us super-SPs.
lkwdblds
Crusader
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
right...
if i tell you you aren't allowed to speak to lakey because etc, etc i am attempting to violate your freedom of association
CoS denies that it demands disconnection and they can get away with saying that because in purely technical terms they don't
there's many people on this board who have been declared and still have active friendships with some scienos in good standing because not all sigs are scibots
but...
if you get declared then all of your casual acquaintances in good standing disconnect. technically they have a option to stay in touch, practically they're a bunch of scibots blindly following the herd...
so...
disconnection you try to avoid
the policy and practice is in serious need of being substantially shagged back
which would bring immense benefit to CoS. disconnection as it is now is a ludicrous footbullet...
right...
if i tell you you aren't allowed to speak to lakey because etc, etc i am attempting to violate your freedom of association
CoS denies that it demands disconnection and they can get away with saying that because in purely technical terms they don't
there's many people on this board who have been declared and still have active friendships with some scienos in good standing because not all sigs are scibots
but...
if you get declared then all of your casual acquaintances in good standing disconnect. technically they have a option to stay in touch, practically they're a bunch of scibots blindly following the herd...
so...
disconnection you try to avoid
the policy and practice is in serious need of being substantially shagged back
which would bring immense benefit to CoS. disconnection as it is now is a ludicrous footbullet...
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
well...
not quite...
the best of the materials are so damn good they can keep doing some stuff well
well...
not quite...
the best of the materials are so damn good they can keep doing some stuff well
Gib
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
By the power invested in me, by me
I hereby give you permission to paraphrase what Hubbard wrote in the couple of paragraphs that I & Jack quoted,
using your poetry.
Here is what ron said, please reprase it in your poetry:
By the power invested in me, by me
I hereby give you permission to paraphrase what Hubbard wrote in the couple of paragraphs that I & Jack quoted,
using your poetry.
Here is what ron said, please reprase it in your poetry:
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
neither do i lakey
but i'm gonna make this up as i go along
i do know if you walk into a senior's office with a stack of papers detailing some great idea you have he might say "can you give me three bullet points?" at which point, if you value the continued receipt of your pay envelope you had best be ready to give three points that strike like bullets...
no matter how grand and intricate some idea may be, if it is a potentially good idea it has a central simplicity that can be expressed in three bullet points
exempli gratia...
i posted my essay "to draw a line" on this thread and was pleased to have you express some admiration for it. here is that essay reduced to three bullet points:
1. over the centuries, western has advanced to the point where we affirm natural, self-evident human rights in Law
2. a woman's right to bring a pregnancy to term is a natural and quintessentially self-evident human right
3. inasmuch as there not one word in Law anywhere on the planet which affirms this right we should amend the constitution of the united states of (dob dylan's) harmonica to affirm this right
the little bit i know of they way His Lakeyness thinks and feels i tend to think the originator of esmb's grandest thread now thinks this three bullet point thing is the cat's meow...
now then...
getting down to overbearingly brassy and most retchedly tacky brass tacks...
i suspect you might be receptive to the idea that CoS could use a very substantial reorganization
i can:
A. substantiate the necessity for this with three fifty calibre bullet points
and...
B. express the entirety of this humongous project with three more of the same
neither do i lakey
but i'm gonna make this up as i go along
i do know if you walk into a senior's office with a stack of papers detailing some great idea you have he might say "can you give me three bullet points?" at which point, if you value the continued receipt of your pay envelope you had best be ready to give three points that strike like bullets...
no matter how grand and intricate some idea may be, if it is a potentially good idea it has a central simplicity that can be expressed in three bullet points
exempli gratia...
i posted my essay "to draw a line" on this thread and was pleased to have you express some admiration for it. here is that essay reduced to three bullet points:
1. over the centuries, western has advanced to the point where we affirm natural, self-evident human rights in Law
2. a woman's right to bring a pregnancy to term is a natural and quintessentially self-evident human right
3. inasmuch as there not one word in Law anywhere on the planet which affirms this right we should amend the constitution of the united states of (dob dylan's) harmonica to affirm this right
the little bit i know of they way His Lakeyness thinks and feels i tend to think the originator of esmb's grandest thread now thinks this three bullet point thing is the cat's meow...
now then...
getting down to overbearingly brassy and most retchedly tacky brass tacks...
i suspect you might be receptive to the idea that CoS could use a very substantial reorganization
i can:
A. substantiate the necessity for this with three fifty calibre bullet points
and...
B. express the entirety of this humongous project with three more of the same
Gib
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
but the riff from the walking yak festival said it in 1952, before KSW?
I await your paraphase in poetry.
Unless, of course, you can't answer the challenge before you, to make hubbards words right.
but the riff from the walking yak festival said it in 1952, before KSW?
I await your paraphase in poetry.
Unless, of course, you can't answer the challenge before you, to make hubbards words right.
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I don't really understand your post so I looked up bullet points and found this definition:
Bullet Point: a small symbol, often a black circle, used in text to show each new part of a list:
Information should be presented in bullet point format or as a numbered list.
Thank you for your post, I don't fully get the point you are making and for once, "I am at a loss for words" to intelligently respond to your post."
In closing, I am going to make one more comment about the role I played in making this thread big. One talent I seem to be able to do very well, is to keep the thread going when it looks as if it is on its last legs. I do this by writing something controversial. One way to do that is to say something good about Hubbard or Scientology Tech. I do that knowing that some detractors will appear on the thread to attack me.
I then engage in debate with several attackers and try and poke holes in their arguments. Often, during these exchanges some interesting topic will surface and some outside posters such as Enthetan, Purple Haze or Mama, will show up and make several interesting posts and all of a sudden, several dozen lurkers return to reading the thread and the number of views per day takes off again. That is my primary role here now. The days of me doing this are numbered. I'm pretty sure that as soon as I stop, the thread will die out quite rapidly. Sure, people using search engines will continue to land here indefinitely but the number of views will dwindle down to about 200 hits a day as compared to the 4,000 per day we get now.
Lakey
I don't really understand your post so I looked up bullet points and found this definition:
Bullet Point: a small symbol, often a black circle, used in text to show each new part of a list:
Information should be presented in bullet point format or as a numbered list.
Thank you for your post, I don't fully get the point you are making and for once, "I am at a loss for words" to intelligently respond to your post."
In closing, I am going to make one more comment about the role I played in making this thread big. One talent I seem to be able to do very well, is to keep the thread going when it looks as if it is on its last legs. I do this by writing something controversial. One way to do that is to say something good about Hubbard or Scientology Tech. I do that knowing that some detractors will appear on the thread to attack me.
I then engage in debate with several attackers and try and poke holes in their arguments. Often, during these exchanges some interesting topic will surface and some outside posters such as Enthetan, Purple Haze or Mama, will show up and make several interesting posts and all of a sudden, several dozen lurkers return to reading the thread and the number of views per day takes off again. That is my primary role here now. The days of me doing this are numbered. I'm pretty sure that as soon as I stop, the thread will die out quite rapidly. Sure, people using search engines will continue to land here indefinitely but the number of views will dwindle down to about 200 hits a day as compared to the 4,000 per day we get now.
Lakey
Little David
Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
From Tony Ortega: http://tonyortega.org/2015/01/20/sc...ntended-to-return-as-his-daughter-dianas-son/
On November 3, 1970, a woman who lived in Los Angeles named Melody Horner sent a letter to President Richard Nixon. She included with her short note to the president a copy of a longer letter she had written days earlier to the International Court of Justice in the Netherlands. She explained that she and her husband, Jack Horner, were former members of Scientology, and they wanted L. Ron Hubbard investigated. (At the time, Hubbard was running Scientology from the ship Apollo in the Mediterranean.)
From her letter to the Hague, Netherlands…
Scientology in its theory and much of its technology is valuable to man. The technology directs a person, as a spirit, to gain better control over his mind, emotions, body, and communication with others. My husband and I used to be Scientologists, but we left in 1965 after Mr. Hubbard put the policy into effect that we and other had to write letters of disconnection (excommunication) to former friends who somehow had fallen out of favor with Mr. Hubbard. In my opinion, Mr. Hubbard’s administrational policies, over the past six years, have cancelled out a lot of the value of the subject. His personality has grown more and more destructive, and I feel sorry for the staff he traps aboard his ship.
From Tony Ortega: http://tonyortega.org/2015/01/20/sc...ntended-to-return-as-his-daughter-dianas-son/
On November 3, 1970, a woman who lived in Los Angeles named Melody Horner sent a letter to President Richard Nixon. She included with her short note to the president a copy of a longer letter she had written days earlier to the International Court of Justice in the Netherlands. She explained that she and her husband, Jack Horner, were former members of Scientology, and they wanted L. Ron Hubbard investigated. (At the time, Hubbard was running Scientology from the ship Apollo in the Mediterranean.)
From her letter to the Hague, Netherlands…
Scientology in its theory and much of its technology is valuable to man. The technology directs a person, as a spirit, to gain better control over his mind, emotions, body, and communication with others. My husband and I used to be Scientologists, but we left in 1965 after Mr. Hubbard put the policy into effect that we and other had to write letters of disconnection (excommunication) to former friends who somehow had fallen out of favor with Mr. Hubbard. In my opinion, Mr. Hubbard’s administrational policies, over the past six years, have cancelled out a lot of the value of the subject. His personality has grown more and more destructive, and I feel sorry for the staff he traps aboard his ship.
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Thanks for posting that here. I just read that article posted on Tony Ortega's "Underground Bunker" this morning. Here is the link to the whole article, it is really extremely interesting!
http://tonyortega.org/2015/01/20/sc...return-as-his-daughter-dianas-son/#more-19497
Lakey
Thanks for posting that here. I just read that article posted on Tony Ortega's "Underground Bunker" this morning. Here is the link to the whole article, it is really extremely interesting!
http://tonyortega.org/2015/01/20/sc...return-as-his-daughter-dianas-son/#more-19497
Lakey
Free Being Me
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
L. Ron Hubbard defrauded his followers out of hundreds of millions of dollars, instigated the largest infiltration of the U.S. government in history throwing his wife under the bus in the process, lied about not having a secret Swiss bank account and where his money was coming from, attempted and in many cases successfully destroyed anyone trying to stop him, lied about his marriages, abducted his daughter taking her out of the country when his marriage failed, lied about the number of his marriages, wrote the F.B.I regularly smearing his ex-wife and and again anyone who stood in his way labeling them as insane and/or communists, lied about his academic, military and life history, when convicted in France went into hiding until his death, formed an intelligence/espionage/propaganda group (GO/OSA) to viciously lie, ruin and destroy anyone at his whim, created a mind control cult that to this day run by DM is doing just as Hubbard did, a crime-wave of abuse, human trafficking, extortion, blackmail, lies, murder, spying, suicide, bait and switch cons, and ...........
L. Ron Hubbard wanted to be known as "Mankind's Greatest Friend" and "Ron The Humanitarian."
I don't think so.
With a resume' like that who in the world would think L. Ron Hubbard is a "good" guy? I already know the answer. Cringe.
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
many tons of ron's output are garbage gibby
in fact, THANK YOU!!!
for that link that enlightened me on the subject of rhetoric. this is truly an immense factor for anyone who wants to make a serious examination of the man and his work. i noted that letter ron sent to the professor of rhetoric in the thirties and now after only glancing briefly at your link much light as been shed...
YES!!!
DMSMH is loaded with rhetoric and it now is clear to me ron gave long and deep thought to subject of rhetoric
now then...
as it happens, i believe i was a most exceptional student of ron's work from the gitgo; i had a nearly uncanny sense of the difference between the nuggets and the rhetoric the nuggets were wrapped in
and i might give the passage you present a closer look later on but ron was many things, some of them... ahem... perhaps somewhat problematic but he was surely A WALKING YAK FESTIVAL!!!
but the riff from the walking yak festival said it in 1952, before KSW?
I await your paraphase in poetry.
Unless, of course, you can't answer the challenge before you, to make hubbards words right.
many tons of ron's output are garbage gibby
in fact, THANK YOU!!!
for that link that enlightened me on the subject of rhetoric. this is truly an immense factor for anyone who wants to make a serious examination of the man and his work. i noted that letter ron sent to the professor of rhetoric in the thirties and now after only glancing briefly at your link much light as been shed...
YES!!!
DMSMH is loaded with rhetoric and it now is clear to me ron gave long and deep thought to subject of rhetoric
now then...
as it happens, i believe i was a most exceptional student of ron's work from the gitgo; i had a nearly uncanny sense of the difference between the nuggets and the rhetoric the nuggets were wrapped in
and i might give the passage you present a closer look later on but ron was many things, some of them... ahem... perhaps somewhat problematic but he was surely A WALKING YAK FESTIVAL!!!
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
i'm surprised lakey...
i figured you would pick right up on the three bullet point thing
probably many people would read the post and get a sense they'd heard of "three bullet points" but wouldn't be able to place it. this is because they came across it the same place i did...
Dilbert
but i picked right up on it
yeah!
cool!
three bullet points!!!
you come with a great idea and go and write it up and can't get anyone to pay attention 'cause the movers and shakers are to busy
but...
the movers and shakers can be quick on the uptake with a three bullet point presentation. that's how to get their attention; that's how you get them to take a deeper longer look at an idea...
read the post again...
i've been posting on this board for five years and i'm about to play a card i've had up my sleeve the whole time...
CoS is in CRISIS!!!
as you just posted a couple days back, in since 1992 is active membership has dwindled by perhaps 75%. not all of those people who left have turned their backs. many of them know there is something very good about ron's work but something very wrong with the organization. like yourself for instance
there's a good chance you've heard about the chinese pictograph for the word "crisis", it's a piece of oriental wisdom often mentioned in recent. the chinese write their word for "crisis" by placing the pictograph for the word "danger" above the pictograph for the word "opportunity"
think about it...
CoS is in big danger and the sharks are smelling blood in the water and the buzzards are circling n the sky above...
a wise man (or woman) should look at current conditions in CoS and see...
the opportunity for reform and reorganization
and as i said i can give three fifty calibre like out of the barrel of a Browning M2 machine gun bullet points to obviate and substantiate the NECESSITY for reorganization
which would be a huge, complex, intricate task but nonetheless...
i can encompass the entirety this vast and watershed project with...
three bullet points
read the first post again lakey. then read this post again. think about it. sleep on it...
i'm about to hatch the egg i've been sitting on for years and you strike me as one of the people who is hungry for an omelet...
i'm surprised lakey...
i figured you would pick right up on the three bullet point thing
probably many people would read the post and get a sense they'd heard of "three bullet points" but wouldn't be able to place it. this is because they came across it the same place i did...
Dilbert
but i picked right up on it
yeah!
cool!
three bullet points!!!
you come with a great idea and go and write it up and can't get anyone to pay attention 'cause the movers and shakers are to busy
but...
the movers and shakers can be quick on the uptake with a three bullet point presentation. that's how to get their attention; that's how you get them to take a deeper longer look at an idea...
read the post again...
i've been posting on this board for five years and i'm about to play a card i've had up my sleeve the whole time...
CoS is in CRISIS!!!
as you just posted a couple days back, in since 1992 is active membership has dwindled by perhaps 75%. not all of those people who left have turned their backs. many of them know there is something very good about ron's work but something very wrong with the organization. like yourself for instance
there's a good chance you've heard about the chinese pictograph for the word "crisis", it's a piece of oriental wisdom often mentioned in recent. the chinese write their word for "crisis" by placing the pictograph for the word "danger" above the pictograph for the word "opportunity"
think about it...
CoS is in big danger and the sharks are smelling blood in the water and the buzzards are circling n the sky above...
a wise man (or woman) should look at current conditions in CoS and see...
the opportunity for reform and reorganization
and as i said i can give three fifty calibre like out of the barrel of a Browning M2 machine gun bullet points to obviate and substantiate the NECESSITY for reorganization
which would be a huge, complex, intricate task but nonetheless...
i can encompass the entirety this vast and watershed project with...
three bullet points
read the first post again lakey. then read this post again. think about it. sleep on it...
i'm about to hatch the egg i've been sitting on for years and you strike me as one of the people who is hungry for an omelet...
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: Good Suggestion
lakey...
i think you asked me if i knew blue spirit
only from my reading of your thread...
I've had the same thought for some time.
Also think how many have been duped by the excessive complication and
Suppressive arbitrary hoops placed into auditor's paths by the insane CO$.
Lakey, just get a brush up from someone in the Freezone and start.
True care for your PC's is THE essential ingredient and the rest is just
mechanics, which you probably have most of now.
Think of the thousands not doing anything with their training because the
CO$ has been purposely destructive to freeing people, and their tacit
reasonable agreement with it. LRH says Reasonableness is Suppressive.
Well done on NOT being Resonable on the Keeler thing.
lakey...
i think you asked me if i knew blue spirit
only from my reading of your thread...
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