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Corerect me if I'm wrong, but didn't the "Clear cognition" come out of the late 1950s when - for a while - "Creative Processing" (Mock ups) was used to "make Clears"?

Then, around 1979, with the "discovery" of "Dianetic Clear," the phrase "I'm mocking it up" grew out of a) The person having "erased his mental image picture case" through Dianetics, and then b) since - until "Dianetic Clear" = "Clear" was announced - the person thought he must not yet be "Clear," since he hadn't done PP, R6EW, and the Clearing Course, c) so he continued to "mock up" pictures to "run," so as to continue being a cooperative "pc."

The "Clear cognition" was his realization - when it was OK to have it, with Source's approval - that d) he had "gone Clear" on Dianetics, and "erased his mental image picture case," and, in order to run any more Dianetics, is "mocking it - pictures - up."

The "Clear cognition" may have been confidential, but the idea that suddenly appeared - from the direction of the giant smiling RON head - that people were gong "Clear" like gangbusters on Dianetics, and had for years before that, was certainly not confidential, and that there was a "Clear cognition" was not confidential, and the announced EP was "no more mental image pictures," so how imaginative does a person have to be to stumble across, "I'm mocking it up"?
 
Veda said:
...so how imaginative does a person have to be to stumble across, "I'm mocking it up"?
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It would seem that they have to be VERY imaginative, based on the number of people on ESMB who should know better saying the clear cog is "I mocked it up." :)

I don't know the timeline of how the clear cog evolved over the years. You're much better at that historical documentation.

Paul
 
Lure Rob & Hyde said:
Is that a fact! There is no such thing as a clear cog I would like to point out so as to not delude others that may read this board.
I do know that Hublard's specialty was having people run his script for envisioning cartoons and then having them attest to the illusion of it being a reality.
The best way I can describe Hublard is by remembering the fairy tales we read as kids. The one that stands out in particular is about the ugly fat troll under the bridge who collects tolls form anyone to crossing it.

I saw people who possessed the ability to envision most anything in their mind and cut their association with the cult one they saw where it was leading.
Hubbard was nothing but a greedy pig!!!! Miscavidge the little runt pig was trained by him and follows his dictates .
I am still grappling with the idea past lives.
I will say about 3 months ago I was on a farm and saw the huge pig that looked familiar so I said"Ron Hubbard is that you" and the Ron or the pig grunted several times.
I guess if I am looking for confirmations then Hubbard could have been re-in-porkated!
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My sickly and often prickly 14 year old cat meows that she is Ron and seems to indicate that the Pig is "just mocking it up"!?! My guess is that one of them is lying...
 
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Dulloldfart said:
It would seem that they have to be VERY imaginative, based on the number of people on ESMB who should know better saying the clear cog is "I mocked it up." :)

I don't know the timeline of how the clear cog evolved over the years. You're much better at that historical documentation.

Paul
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I exited the CofS before the "Dianetic Clear = Clear" era, so - other than a year auditing, pretty much autonomously, at a break-away mission - I only saw that period from the fringes, but, if a person had no more "bank," and says, "I have no more bank! I'm Clear!" or "I have no more mental image picture case," would a Scientology C/S not order "2 way comm" on that until something resembling, the magic words, "I'm mocking it up" appears? Otherwise, the person will be "invalidated." ???

In the mid 1980s, I did have the opportunity to examine a lot of pc folders from the 1979 - 1982 period, and most of the "Dianetic Clears" were in unimpressive shape case-wise, yet they all seemed to have been judged to have originated the "Clear cognition" of "I'm mocking it up."

Anyway, my main points were a, b, and c.

And d is not worth fussing about. :)
 
Dulloldfart said:
Depends. I attested Clear in 1978 and was technically considered as one throughout my subsequent Scn career. Similarly after I attested OT III. I would happily tell someone my case level was OT3, my intention being that I had completed the OT III course and solo auditing per the checksheet and usual procedures.

That did not mean I considered I was "free from overwhelm" or could bounce planets around or whatever PR and bullshit Hubbard may or may not have said about the states. All it meant was that in the real (well, Scn) world I had fulfilled the usual requirements to be awarded those labels.

Paul
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Correct. :yes:

The actual belief in church marketing hype is neither a requirement, nor a recommendation.


Mark A. Baker
 
Mark A. Baker said:
Correct. :yes:

The actual belief in church marketing hype is neither a requirement, nor a recommendation.

Mark A. Baker
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If Hubbard is so unimportant to you, how is it that you carefuly separate him from his own hype? by attributing it to the "Church"?

Oh, never mind...
 
Veda said:
If Hubbard is so unimportant to you, how is it that you carefuly separate him from his own hype? by attributing it to the "Church"?

Oh, never mind...
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I don't. That's yet another figment of your imagination. :eyeroll:

The principle source of all the hype is hubbard and he bears primary responsibility for it. However that is not the same as to say that it is all due to hubbard. He has been dead now for 25 years. Not everything done to hype the bridge, the church, or the tech has been solely his doing.

And, as even you have admitted, the church was his creation and so it remains even now long after his death. Referring to the hype as that of the church's merely reflects the fact that it is all hype and that it is the institution of the Co$, hubbard's church, which all the hype was intended to promote.

Hubbard is not the exclusive source of all the hype. As one obvious instance: GoAT. Without getting into the specifics of which ancillary bits may have come from other sources, over the last 60 years a lot of different people have contributed to the creation and dissemination of promotional hype regarding differing aspects of scientology. Hubbard did begin the whole process and set the pattern for others to follow. He didn't create all of it and he's not doing it now.

Hubbard bears principle responsibility. His church, his Sea Org, he created them and laid down the policies & principles which characterize the way it was run. That is not the same as maintaining he bears sole responsibility for everything.

Moreover, and in case you missed it, hubbard's dead and has been for 25 years.

A generation has passed already since that 'great satan', hubbard, walked the earth. Clearly others must have been and still are keeping the whole game going, hype included, hmmm? :yes:

Or is it still all hubbard's fault? Ummm, ... naw. I don't think so. :no:

Just as hubbard was not sole source of all the tech, similarly he wasn't sole source of all the hype, or of any other aspects of the church or, more generally, scientology either.

And IF at some later time to come hubbard is to be held to account by some greater authority with the power of judgement over the transgressions of we mortals, then it is very very certain that authority won't be you. :)

For myself, I don't much care. It hubbard's 'case' to handle. Now, such as it is, is all a part of his 'whole track'. :whistling:

Afterall if there's any truth to past lives, then wherever 'hubbard' may in any meaningful sense be now, he has to live with the decisions he's made and the effects he's created. :yes:

As it is I have more than enough to deal with addressing my own. :)

The only thing that actually is of concern to me at this point is the amelioration of the worst aspects of what the Co$ has accomplished during its existence. The church is still here, as are many individuals who are individually still creating adverse effects for themselves & others as a result of the ideas, decisions, and traits they may have adopted as a result of their individual associations with the church whatsoever their own current church-standing may be.


Mark A. Baker
 
Veda said:
I need a positive role model. I think I'll start emulating Mark A. Baker.

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But the name's been taken, you might have to switch your avatar's name around to Bake A Mark. LOL, Just a Kiddin, though I guess that makes me a "Joker and Degrader"!!! Wasn't that a hoot when that came out in the late 70's to take all the humor out of SCN when that's all that kept some of us sane is being able to have a hearty laugh at it all, each other and ourselves. :thumbsup:
 
Veda said:
Corerect me if I'm wrong, but didn't the "Clear cognition" come out of the late 1950s when - for a while - "Creative Processing" (Mock ups) was used to "make Clears"?

Then, around 1979, with the "discovery" of "Dianetic Clear," the phrase "I'm mocking it up" grew out of a) The person having "erased his mental image picture case" through Dianetics, and then b) since - until "Dianetic Clear" = "Clear" was announced - the person thought he must not yet be "Clear," since he hadn't done PP, R6EW, and the Clearing Course, c) so he continued to "mock up" pictures to "run," so as to continue being a cooperative "pc."

The "Clear cognition" was his realization - when it was OK to have it, with Source's approval - that d) he had "gone Clear" on Dianetics, and "erased his mental image picture case," and, in order to run any more Dianetics, is "mocking it - pictures - up."

The "Clear cognition" may have been confidential, but the idea that suddenly appeared - from the direction of the giant smiling RON head - that people were gong "Clear" like gangbusters on Dianetics, and had for years before that, was certainly not confidential, and that there was a "Clear cognition" was not confidential, and the announced EP was "no more mental image pictures," so how imaginative does a person have to be to stumble across, "I'm mocking it up"?
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The concept of the clear cog as you have stated is NOT the concept that the C/S is looking for to determine clear.

It is not the concept that one was already clear, but mocking up stuff to run, it is the realization that one is creating the bank; pictures, stored force, emotions. Once this realization has occurred it is no longer "on auto".

The words "I'm mocking it up" are not necessary to be determined clear, those words are part of the OT3 engram, (though not the implant), and show up frequently.

Sorry to give away the ending for those who still want to watch the movie.

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MattD said:
The concept of the clear cog as you have stated is NOT the concept that the C/S is looking for to determine clear.

It is not the concept that one was already clear, but mocking up stuff to run, it is the realization that one is creating the bank; pictures, stored force, emotions. Once this realization has occurred it is no longer "on auto".

The words "I'm mocking it up" are not necessary to be determined clear, those words are part of the OT3 engram, (though not the implant), and show up frequently. They are a lock.

Sorry to give away the ending for those who still want to watch the movie.

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Well stated, and with a particular acknowledgement to your use of the word realization.

It's not the words. They are only and at most an 'after image'.


Mark A. Baker :)
 
If there really was such a thing as a "reactive mind" in my mental universe, I blew it out early on doing OT TR0 and TR0 when I began to notice I was surrounded by energy spheres and masses but these began to blow off leaving me thinking and feeling much more crisp and clear. I can see how this could be accomplished any number of ways, especially meditation. I just happened to have it occur doing the basic TR's so I found Scientology front loaded with gains and much of the rest of it a costly waste of time where I was possibly re-accumulating the masses that I'd previously blown. “The grade chart” ought to have been less arbitrary and much more tailor made for individuals and their particular cases. Plus I made more case gain running Self Analysis on myself before I ever entered an org than I ever experienced during any subsequent processing… But as far as “was I clear?” Well, I don’t know because when these spheres and masses blew, they weren’t labeled with sticky notes like “R6EW”.
 
MattD said:
The concept of the clear cog as you have stated is NOT the concept that the C/S is looking for to determine clear.

It is not the concept that one was already clear, but mocking up stuff to run, it is the realization that one is creating the bank; pictures, stored force, emotions. Once this realization has occurred it is no longer "on auto".

The words "I'm mocking it up" are not necessary to be determined clear, those words are part of the OT3 engram, (though not the implant), and show up frequently. They are a lock.

Sorry to give away the ending for those who still want to watch the movie.

:coolwink:
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Thanks. I'm familiar with various explanations.

For Hubbard's 1968 Class VIII course explanation of the relationship of the Clearing Course to OT2 and OT 3, see 5:05 - 6:00 of the first video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVqN...um.exscn.net/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=6518

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDKg5K3in8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6P4YV6CfI0
 

I don't know why some people can't just face the fact that hubbard was aving a laff (at us) and get over it.

We got fooled and conned by a lying creep that looked like a toad and repeated himself too much while smirking in a very condescending manner.

So be it.

No 'clears' and no 'oatees' ... just a lot of very gullible people that got sucked in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w1y-kMPNcM

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:​
 
MattD said:
The concept of the clear cog as you have stated is NOT the concept that the C/S is looking for to determine clear.

It is not the concept that one was already clear, but mocking up stuff to run, it is the realization that one is creating the bank; pictures, stored force, emotions. Once this realization has occurred it is no longer "on auto".

The words "I'm mocking it up" are not necessary to be determined clear, those words are part of the OT3 engram, (though not the implant), and show up frequently.

Sorry to give away the ending for those who still want to watch the movie.

:coolwink:
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I neglected to ask you if you actually believe what you wrote above or not? Or were you just expressing a view held by some others?

A somewhat perverse sense of curiosity causes me to wonder what a discussion between yourself and other believers (assuming you're a believer) would resemble.

Probably just as well it never happens.
 
Panda Termint said:
Seconded!

I'm with Maslow.
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Well, since we survived all the derailment of Maslow's Hierarchy I thought I'd bring it up again.

Here's what's so fascinating about it and the relation to Scientology.

You join the SO or staff to be at the top of the triangle or because you are at the top of the triangle, but true to all things Hubbard, instead of self-actualization you quickly progress down to fighting for your beans and rice and the sleeping pallet under your desk!

Seriously, folks, look where "safety" is on this triangle. You want to know how "safe" a standard Church of Scientology is? You have to guard your every statement, your every action as sinister things are read into the most mundane of actions. The slightest missed step can damn your eternity.

I have been openly accused of being a PDHed CIA implant, a pervert, a crim, of having my FPRD case in full restimulation and this was when I was a 110% Scientologist and doing everything I could to "flow" power to it.

Let's take a look at self-actualization and the deeply ingrained, loyal staff member who's been there for life and see how they stack up, shall we?

We have:

- morality
- creativity
- spontaneity
- problem solving
- lack of prejudice
- acceptance of facts

How does our very standard, on-source, on-policy staff member stack up to these things?

Speaks volumes - don't it?
 
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We have:

- morality- creativity- :handinhand:spontaneity- problem solving-lack of prejudice

- acceptance of facts-self esteem -confidence -

respect-friendship-family-sexual intimacy

security checks,:storm: immorality, "the family"

breath - beans-:shock: wank-sleep walk

excretion from

SO
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