The State of Clear

[degraded being]

That's the backlog from when Hubbard decided that a "Dianetic Clear" was a "real, honest-to-goodness" Clear. All the Dianetic Clears were suddenly declared as actual Clears (after passing a Clear Check) and there was an additional backlog/influx of people being declared as "Past Life Clears" and "Natural Clears". It was a major change in the Tech line-up. Veda probably has the scoop on the applicable HCOBs etc.

Only to be followed by the "Now let's be Clear about this" when the declared Clears were de-Cleared or declared to be so; only some were not Clear about that either, so more Clearing was needed, only, by that time, some were now clearing out, and being declared something else, something any respectable Scientology Clear would never want to be.

They all mocked it all up....or something.

 

[Veda]

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Leon implies Red & White is not tech, and that the no-interference zone Clear ~OT III is no danger and not to trust Hubbard on that, but to trust Hubbard on Clear tech as that is legitimate?

-snip-

Leon just put his foot in his mouth, and doesn't know how to get it out, so he's babbling.

I wouldn't take it too seriously.

 

[Vittorio]

You are in a class by yourself, most especially in regard to: ...was far more than I had anticipated as a potential result from the use of scientology....

Perfect recall? nah, don't anticipate that. Increased IQ? nah... human abilities never seen before in recorded history (called homo novis)? nah, not what I'm after.

MAB: What I got: "I felt fully comfortable attesting was "cause over mental mass, energy, space, & time". brackets ours

Remarkable. A warm and fuzzy feeling, as a reward of epic proportions, superseding anything you had ever hoped to achieve, thanks to scientology.

Along with your 'knowing how to know' that Hubbard didn't really lie about being a nuclear scientist. He 'was' a nuclear scientist. Sort of. Kind of. In a very clear way, if it weren't for all those (reactive-minded) folks that actually believed what he said. It was 'their' fault (for believing him). Lol.

Remarkable.

Apocalyptic

you are entertaining to say the least Mark

Are you really offended by the fact that someone got something out of Scientology?

The post sounds relatively spiteful and bitter.

 

[Veda]

Are you really offended by the fact that someone got something out of Scientology?

That seems to be an un-killable Scientological meme:

"The SPs are upset when others have gains," "They hate it when people are helped," "They're terrified of people getting better," etc. "You hate Scientology because it helps people," etc., etc.

Its companion meme is "I'm sorry that you didn't get any gains from Scientology," etc., "You're a NCG [No Case Gain, i.e., an SP or hard core DB, Case]."

Really, this stuff was old a long time ago.

The post sounds relatively spiteful and bitter.

Nah. It just sounds like the mental gymnastics, contortions, and double talk, demonstrated by some Scientologists, is being described.

 

[Demented LRH]

One of the patterns I've noticed since being out and perusing the forums is this:

1) Person left Scientology because of some bad ethics cycle, etc. NOT because the tech didn't work.
2) Person then reads all the black p.r. on the net.
3) Person invalidates all their gains from auditing and training.
4) Person then absolves themselves of it ever having worked, and joins the fashionable crowd of people calling it all a hoax and scam.

Scientific research of Dianetics auditing done at New York University had shown that it is pseudo-science. All Hubbard’s claims of finding cure for psycho-somatic illnesses turned out to be bogus. Sooner or later a smart Scientologist realizes that Hubbard was a crook. Obviously this observation does not apply to all Scientologists.

 

[Veda]

Scientific research of Dianetics auditing done at New York University had shown that it is pseudo-science. All Hubbard’s claims of finding cure for psycho-somatic illnesses turned out to be bogus. Sooner or later a smart Scientologist realizes that Hubbard was a crook. Obviously this observation does not apply to all Scientologists.

Martini is using the term, "the tech," which includes more than just 1950 Dianetics. I don't think he'd be impressed with your argument.

P.S. This is an old thread. Martini is long gone.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Martini is using the term, "the tech," which includes more than just 1950 Dianetics. I don't think he'd be impressed with your argument.

P.S. This is an old thread. Martini is long gone.

Martini, most likely, is in a courseroom on study.

Looks like V is his replacement and is carrying on the party line with the same frevor - and is also inane.

They stand out like 10 gallons of red paint on a snow field. It is their idea of blending in. They are always frantic on Thursday as 2 PM approaches.
He'll be calmer today.....watch

 

[DagwoodGum]

Martini, most likely, is in a courseroom on study.

Looks like V is his replacement and is carrying on the party line with the same frevor - and is also inane.

They stand out like 10 gallons of red paint on a snow field. It is their idea of blending in. They are always frantic on Thursday as 2 PM approaches.
He'll be calmer today.....watch

Isn't this so hilarious, the way SCN trolls come to the defense of the indefensible?
I read

"Are you really offended by the fact that someone got something out of Scientology?
The post sounds relatively spiteful and bitter.

Oh, that's funny! If people had the confront to face up to what all they put into Scientology in terms of time, money, social and familial disconnections etc. and weighed it all against what they try and convice themselves they got out of it, they would have themselves committed. "OH, I had a floating T/A for days on end back in 1982, so that's how I know I'm clear" followed by "I just need to identify more SP's that are holding me back and disconnect from them and then my gains will show up like a luminescent butterfly unfolding from it's cocoon." OH, DREAM ON FOOL, YOU WERE CONNED - FACE IT!

 

[Leon]

Leon just put his foot in his mouth, and doesn't know how to get it out, so he's babbling.

I wouldn't take it too seriously.

Leon did nothiing of the sort. Neither you nor Jachs know the difference between tech and a canary's fart.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Isn't this so hilarious, the way SCN trolls come to the defense of the indefensible?
I read
Oh, that's funny! If people had the confront to face up to what all they put into Scientology in terms of time, money, social and familial disconnections etc. and weighed it all against what they try and convice themselves they got out of it, they would have themselves committed. "OH, I had a floating T/A for days on end back in 1982, so that's how I know I'm clear" followed by "I just need to identify more SP's that are holding me back and disconnect from them and then my gains will show up like a luminescent butterfly unfolding from it's cocoon." OH, DREAM ON FOOL, YOU WERE CONNED - FACE IT!

Some one on another thread wondered why scn'gists are always so angry.

I figured it out :

scientologists are stuck in a chronic state of red tagged.

( The correct use of that little piece of 'tech' ought to make Leon & V happy ).

 

[DagwoodGum]

Leon did nothiing of the sort. Neither you nor Jachs know the difference between tech and a canary's fart.

Neither you nor Jachs know the difference between tech and a canary's fart

If there is a difference please splain it to me Lucy.
But now that you put it into that context, I LOVE IT! "The tech is tantamount to a canary's fart!" Wonderful analogy, thanks sport! Those are words to heal by...

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: The fate of Clear

If there is a difference please splain it to me Lucy.
But now that you put it into that context, I LOVE IT! "The tech is tantamount to a canary's fart!" Wonderful analogy, thanks sport! Those are words to heal by...

The anal tech of scientology is covered in a canary fart.

That's good !

 

[DagwoodGum]

Are you really offended by the fact that someone got something out of Scientology?

The post sounds relatively spiteful and bitter.

Why are you on the ESMB when you seem to feel that one's reasons to leave are unfounded or part of some overt/motivator sequence bullshit? That's a trap if there ever was one... One only leaves because of one's overts against the COS and never due to the overts perpetrated by the COS against oneself? It really takes a moron to buy into that one, MY GAWD!!! Elron blew from the COS, what's that tell you?

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Re: The fate of Clear

Why are you on the ESMB when you seem to feel that one's reasons to leave are unfounded or part of some overt/motivator sequence bullshit? That's a trap if there ever was one... One only leaves because of one's overts against the COS and never due to the overts perpetrated by them against oneself? It really takes a moron to buy into that one, MY GAWD!!! Elron blew from the COS, what's that tell you?

V is all into the fate of clear.

V, you follow the tech, right?

V, where is the product ?

 

[apocalyptic]

Are you really offended by the fact that someone got something out of Scientology?

The post sounds relatively spiteful and bitter.

We have no problem with Gods pretending to be mortals, but when mortals pretend to be Gods, we tend to call their bluff.

Apocalyptic

that's our hat. get it?

 

[Leon]

Glad you liked it. Do you have anything to offer?

 

[Winston Smith]

Glad you liked it. Do you have anything to offer?

Nothing but blood, sweat and tears.

 

[Winston Smith]

Leon did nothiing of the sort. Neither you nor Jachs know the difference between tech and a canary's fart.

I will have you know that a canary's fart is the first indicator of clear.

 

[DagwoodGum]

I will have you know that a canary's fart is the first indicator of clear.

That's a hilarious thought. It used to be that canaries warned miners of the impending dangers of toxic gas, in this case they are "source" of it. Who said carary's aren't as smart as parakeet's? So if the canary fart's, you're clear? Well then who needs the examiner?

 

[Winston Smith]

That's a hilarious thought. It used to be that canaries warned miners of the impending dangers of toxic gas, in this case they are "source" of it. Who said carary's aren't as smart as parakeet's? So if the canary fart's, you're clear? Well then who needs the examiner?

Works as well as any other scientological bat shit crazy theory.