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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
"The apologist will say “But, the good that Mike and Leah et al, are doing far out-weighs anything else.” I would say, I felt the same way about Scn when I was sipping the Kool-Aid.'

"Fanatical anti-scientology criticism will not succeed in bringing Scn down. They have more money, better lawyers and probably more members. You cannot fight insanity with insanity. You will lose. And the day will come when you drift away from ASC, and wonder “what went wrong?” Eerily similar to what you felt when you left Scn."

Exactly.

The worst thing about Anti-Scientology, especially Celebrity Anti-Scientology as run by Mike Leah and Tony, is that it is IMPOTENT.

After 12 years of this, David Miscavige is still in power, still doing whatever he wants to Scientologists.

If Scientology is such a criminal cult - why shouldn't this be criticized?
 

Veda

Sponsor
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Fanatical anti-scientology criticism will not succeed in bringing Scn down. They have more money, better lawyers and probably more members. You cannot fight insanity with insanity. You will lose. And the day will come when you drift away from ASC, and wonder “what went wrong?” Eerily similar to what you felt when you left Scn.

You lost when you abandoned the pursuit of truth, in favour of tribalism.

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ASC? Isn't that an acronym of Anti Scientology Cult?

That's Marty's lingo, after he was crushed by Scientology.

If you're sincere, your message would be more effective if you could express yourself using normal language.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
ASC? Isn't that an acronym of Anti Scientology Cult?

That's Marty's lingo, after he was crushed by Scientology.

If you're sincere, your message would be more effective if you could express yourself using normal language.
Filters, Veda! You have your filters on again!

Here: Can you read this?

Before my declare, while under-the-radar, I posted on Marty’s blog, Mike’s blog, and occasionally on ESMB and The Bunker. After 30 years of heavy tribalism and suppressed communication, I started to cut loose. For me, this was therapy. I wanted to understand what the fuck happened. The Anti-Scientology Community (ASC) was the place to land. Lots of people who had experienced the mind-fuck that is Scn. They helped me, and I like to think, I helped them.
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

Gold Meritorious Patron
Exactly.

The worst thing about Anti-Scientology, especially Celebrity Anti-Scientology as run by Mike Leah and Tony, is that it is IMPOTENT.

After 12 years of this, David Miscavige is still in power, still doing whatever he wants to Scientologists.

If Scientology is such a criminal cult - why shouldn't this be criticized?
How silly. That isn't the only metric. What about course and auditing completions. Whenever I see these, which they do much less frequently, the list is often full of redundancies from an obviously small field and mostly not major actions. What about GI and new raw meat in the shop? What about recruits from 1st world countries instead of desperate people from disadvantaged countries? What about positive news stories? Seems to me the media loves to spread word of Scientology's misfortunes like the measles ship flap and generally equate it to a cult. Scientology is often used as a synonym for cult in the vernacular now. I don't see any path where Scientology reverses that short of changing their name and totally reconstituting itself as something unrecognizable.

You try to create false premises and misdirection but all you have succeeded in doing is to educate people how these tactics are used by you in personal grudges within the ex-community. Like Antifa trying to preempt criticism of being fascists by calling themselves anti-fascists you wage a war on your enemies by characterizing them as cultists and yourself as an anti-cultist, they are in bad tribes and you are in a good (albeit as far as I can tell an extremely diminutive) tribe, your detractors are biased but you speak the only truth.

As far as I'm concerned the criticism you speak of is only a cover. It's your version of religious cloaking for a personal war.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Emma,

I want to apologize for getting kind of...testy with you in the last couple of weeks. I probably overstepped my bounds. I’m sorry about that.

You and I have known each other a long time.

Maybe I get myself too personally involved because I do care.

Pooks is right, of course. It is your board to do with as you wish. And your life to do as you wish.

I may not always agree with you, but I’ll always love you.

Good luck with everything in the future.

Lulu
 
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StatPush

Patron
ASC? Isn't that an acronym of Anti Scientology Cult?

That's Marty's lingo, after he was crushed by Scientology.

If you're sincere, your message would be more effective if you could express yourself using normal language.
I provided what ASC referred to in my posting. And it wasn't that.

So you pick one word out of hundreds and from that, doubt my sincerity and effectiveness?

What a piece of work you are.
 

Gib

Crusader
Exactly.

The worst thing about Anti-Scientology, especially Celebrity Anti-Scientology as run by Mike Leah and Tony, is that it is IMPOTENT.

After 12 years of this, David Miscavige is still in power, still doing whatever he wants to Scientologists.

If Scientology is such a criminal cult - why shouldn't this be criticized?
so I guess you are saying it's not a criminal cult?

What kind of cult is it then?

Or maybe it's not a cult?

Is it a tribe?

What is scientology?
 
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He-man

Hero extraordinary
2 Hours and 20 hours left.

Looks like I'ma not gonna make it back home for the big schbang! How sad.

So I guess this is it. I wish you adieu! Thanks for all the cream tarts, apple pies, banana puddings and most of all - Thank you for all the fish!

Be seeing ya!
 

Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
2 Hours and 20 hours left.

Looks like I'ma not gonna make it back home for the big schbang! How sad.

So I guess this is it. I wish you adieu! Thanks for all the cream tarts, apple pies, banana puddings and most of all - Thank you for all the fish!

Be seeing ya!
Don't forget to pack your vacuum. Thanks for all the fun & laughs. See you on the other side. xxx
 

Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
Emma,

I want to apologize for getting kind of...testy with you in the last couple of weeks. I probably overstepped my bounds. I’m sorry about that.

You and I have known each other a long time.

Maybe I get myself too personally involved because I do care.

Patti is right, of course. It is your board to do with as you wish. And your life to do as you wish.

I may not always agree with you, but I’ll always love you.

Good luck with everything in the future.

Lulu
Thanks Lulu. I know you are looking out for me, but please know I will be ok. I'm still pretty dumb, but not as dumb as I used to be.

I wish you all the luck in the world too. I hope you get to relax and chill and enjoy your beautiful sitting room more often.
That was pretty decent of you there Lulu. :thumbsup:
Yes it was.
 

Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
What I have learned in the past 10 years

I wanted to summarise my thoughts regarding my journey into Scientology, my departure, joining Anti-Scientology and leaving.

For the archives, these are my parting thoughts…

I got into Scn in the early/mid 80s. At that time, it was difficult to find written works critical of Scn; it amounted to a few hard-to-find books. My first impression of the org and staff was neutral. They were polite and inclusive, not a whole lot of pressure. I was interested. No one twisted my arm or brainwashed me into purchasing materials or signing up for a basic course. I wanted to give it a go.

Soon after that, I joined staff, almost on a whim. I went to LA for training and endured the next seven years or so as a Class V org staff member. It was probably the hardest thing I’ve done. Working 80+ hours a week for virtually no staff pay. It was insane and mostly unpleasant, but I met some great people along the way.

Afterwards, I transitioned into being a public Scnist and was determined to go up the Bridge. And for the next 20 years that is what I did. Eventually going Clear and making my way up to OTIII. This pursuit included wins and disappointments and setbacks. But, overall I was a good Scnist. My life was about getting myself and my spouse up the Bridge. Along the way we became IAS patrons, and donated to the ever-increasing list of projects pushed by management. We were heavily invested.

In 2009, The Truth Rundown hit the mainstream media and was impossible to ignore. I made the mistake of mentioning it to another Scnist. This kicked off a series of events which led to my SP declare in 2014. From 2009 through 2014, my family endured the wrath of Sea Org ethics/justice, black PR, overt and covert threats; completely over-the-top insanity that many of you are familiar with. It was touch-and-go for a while, but we survived.
Through out my protracted departure, I would note how illogical and irrational they were. They could not recognise truth if it bit them on the arse. I began to see them as completely delusional and downright mean and suppressive.

In the end they converted me into an enemy of the church. And I was ready.

Before my declare, while under-the-radar, I posted on Marty’s blog, Mike’s blog, and occasionally on ESMB and The Bunker. After 30 years of heavy tribalism and suppressed communication, I started to cut loose. For me, this was therapy. I wanted to understand what the fuck happened. The Anti-Scientology Community (ASC) was the place to land. Lots of people who had experienced the mind-fuck that is Scn. They helped me, and I like to think, I helped them.

Over time I noticed some inaccuracies that were being presented to the ASC. For example, several years ago, Tony Ortega did a series on the cost of going up the Bridge. These figures, I felt, were wildly inaccurate and were being inflated to sensational proportions. So, somewhat naively, I posted a comment stating that it didn’t cost me that much. Immediately I was attacked, accused of being a Scnist, an OSA operative, a mole, etc. I thought it was hysterical and unjustified.

This happened a number of times on various blogs. And it occurred to me that this type of behaviour was nearly identical to the treatment I received while exiting Scn. Granted, with Scn it was face-to-face, whereas this was online. But it was the same hysterical tribal insanity, lack of reason, and religious fervour used to defend something I knew to be untrue.

If anyone doubts there isn’t an ASC tribal narrative, try questioning anyone of the ASC Holy Trinity (Remini/Rinder, De La Carriere and Ortega) [ok, I know, that’s four]. Even if what you are saying is supported by evidence, you will be attacked, often ruthlessly. This is an ASC High Crime.

What has emerged is an authoritarian, hierarchical, fanatical tribe at war with another authoritarian, hierarchical, fanatical tribe – you know, the one we left?

The apologist will say “But, the good that Mike and Leah et al, are doing far out-weighs anything else.” I would say, I felt the same way about Scn when I was sipping the Kool-Aid.

Fanatical anti-scientology criticism will not succeed in bringing Scn down. They have more money, better lawyers and probably more members. You cannot fight insanity with insanity. You will lose. And the day will come when you drift away from ASC, and wonder “what went wrong?” Eerily similar to what you felt when you left Scn.

You lost when you abandoned the pursuit of truth, in favour of tribalism.

If Scn is defeated, it will be because individuals persisted in uncovering the truth. We don’t have lie, or spin, or misrepresent facts. Lying makes you stupid. The church lies…a lot. And this will be their downfall.

Why make the same mistake? Why not be a smarter and a bit less tribal?

All it takes is a willingness to look and consider another’s point of view. And when they present you with data that appears contrary to what you believe – check it out. You’re still free to disagree with it. But there’s the possibility you may agree with it, and as a result, change and become wiser.

How can that be bad?
Thanks for this great post @StatPush. I don't care about any acronyms. Your post was spot on.
 

Operating DB

Truman Show Dropout
2 Hours and 20 hours left.

Looks like I'ma not gonna make it back home for the big schbang! How sad.

So I guess this is it. I wish you adieu! Thanks for all the cream tarts, apple pies, banana puddings and most of all - Thank you for all the fish!

Be seeing ya!
2 hours? My countdown thingie says 2 days
 

Gib

Crusader
What I have learned in the past 10 years

I wanted to summarise my thoughts regarding my journey into Scientology, my departure, joining Anti-Scientology and leaving.

For the archives, these are my parting thoughts…

I got into Scn in the early/mid 80s. At that time, it was difficult to find written works critical of Scn; it amounted to a few hard-to-find books. My first impression of the org and staff was neutral. They were polite and inclusive, not a whole lot of pressure. I was interested. No one twisted my arm or brainwashed me into purchasing materials or signing up for a basic course. I wanted to give it a go.

Soon after that, I joined staff, almost on a whim. I went to LA for training and endured the next seven years or so as a Class V org staff member. It was probably the hardest thing I’ve done. Working 80+ hours a week for virtually no staff pay. It was insane and mostly unpleasant, but I met some great people along the way.

Afterwards, I transitioned into being a public Scnist and was determined to go up the Bridge. And for the next 20 years that is what I did. Eventually going Clear and making my way up to OTIII. This pursuit included wins and disappointments and setbacks. But, overall I was a good Scnist. My life was about getting myself and my spouse up the Bridge. Along the way we became IAS patrons, and donated to the ever-increasing list of projects pushed by management. We were heavily invested.

In 2009, The Truth Rundown hit the mainstream media and was impossible to ignore. I made the mistake of mentioning it to another Scnist. This kicked off a series of events which led to my SP declare in 2014. From 2009 through 2014, my family endured the wrath of Sea Org ethics/justice, black PR, overt and covert threats; completely over-the-top insanity that many of you are familiar with. It was touch-and-go for a while, but we survived.
Through out my protracted departure, I would note how illogical and irrational they were. They could not recognise truth if it bit them on the arse. I began to see them as completely delusional and downright mean and suppressive.

In the end they converted me into an enemy of the church. And I was ready.

Before my declare, while under-the-radar, I posted on Marty’s blog, Mike’s blog, and occasionally on ESMB and The Bunker. After 30 years of heavy tribalism and suppressed communication, I started to cut loose. For me, this was therapy. I wanted to understand what the fuck happened. The Anti-Scientology Community (ASC) was the place to land. Lots of people who had experienced the mind-fuck that is Scn. They helped me, and I like to think, I helped them.

Over time I noticed some inaccuracies that were being presented to the ASC. For example, several years ago, Tony Ortega did a series on the cost of going up the Bridge. These figures, I felt, were wildly inaccurate and were being inflated to sensational proportions. So, somewhat naively, I posted a comment stating that it didn’t cost me that much. Immediately I was attacked, accused of being a Scnist, an OSA operative, a mole, etc. I thought it was hysterical and unjustified.

This happened a number of times on various blogs. And it occurred to me that this type of behaviour was nearly identical to the treatment I received while exiting Scn. Granted, with Scn it was face-to-face, whereas this was online. But it was the same hysterical tribal insanity, lack of reason, and religious fervour used to defend something I knew to be untrue.

If anyone doubts there isn’t an ASC tribal narrative, try questioning anyone of the ASC Holy Trinity (Remini/Rinder, De La Carriere and Ortega) [ok, I know, that’s four]. Even if what you are saying is supported by evidence, you will be attacked, often ruthlessly. This is an ASC High Crime.

What has emerged is an authoritarian, hierarchical, fanatical tribe at war with another authoritarian, hierarchical, fanatical tribe – you know, the one we left?

The apologist will say “But, the good that Mike and Leah et al, are doing far out-weighs anything else.” I would say, I felt the same way about Scn when I was sipping the Kool-Aid.

Fanatical anti-scientology criticism will not succeed in bringing Scn down. They have more money, better lawyers and probably more members. You cannot fight insanity with insanity. You will lose. And the day will come when you drift away from ASC, and wonder “what went wrong?” Eerily similar to what you felt when you left Scn.

You lost when you abandoned the pursuit of truth, in favour of tribalism.

If Scn is defeated, it will be because individuals persisted in uncovering the truth. We don’t have lie, or spin, or misrepresent facts. Lying makes you stupid. The church lies…a lot. And this will be their downfall.

Why make the same mistake? Why not be a smarter and a bit less tribal?

All it takes is a willingness to look and consider another’s point of view. And when they present you with data that appears contrary to what you believe – check it out. You’re still free to disagree with it. But there’s the possibility you may agree with it, and as a result, change and become wiser.

How can that be bad?
I'm anti scientology, because, well, you know why.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hey Face!

While you're back for a while, is there anything you would like to add to your great "Shooting Stars" thread, before archive time?

https://exscn.net/forum/threads/shooting-stars.21698/page-54
Ah Enthetan, thanks for the invitation. As I've posted before, I pretty much had my say and there's some stuff here and there I left out in the interests of my anonymity, to protect the innocent as well as the guilty. If it had not been for this Board...that exists solely and only due to Emma's Guts, Guile & Gumption and fostered by the kindness, caring and courage of so, so, so many Members over the years by the focused intellect, decency and content of their Hearts..."Shooting Stars" would never have been written.

Forever Grateful,

Face:)

 
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