What happened to a Squirrel Basics made eternal in titanium in the anti-nuke vaults?
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SchwimmelPuckel
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Thank you. It's a LOT of waisted money. A lot of it. But now we all have "a good, on-source" ones. May be the can melt them down somehow and edit them right, true to the source this time, since all SP editors are long gone and declared. And put them back in the sacred vaults in the new unit of time.
the vault project is just another ruse to pick the pockets of the blinded flock. The Church will be finding squirrel versions of tech giving then a good excuse to steal more money to up date the vault and who knows whats in there its closed off to most scn. Its probably all just a facade.
Panda Termint
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It's more about platinum than verbatinum.
Veda
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Each stainless steel plate has Hubbard's name on it, and the number one priority, as instructed by Hubbard in confidential writings and enforced by legal trusts, is the preservation of his name.
From the 'Epilogue' of Jon Atack's 'Piece of Blue Sky':
"In 1938 Hubbard's single goal was to achieve immortality in name... The Church (Church of Spiritual Technology) has as its sole function the perpetuation not of Scientology, but the name of L. Ron Hubbard."
"Living is a pretty grim joke, but a joke just the same.
"The entire function of man is to survive. Not for 'what' but just to survive...
"I turned the thing up [The Dynamic principle of Existence: Survive!] so it's up to me to survive in a big way.
"Personal immortality is only to be gained through the printed word, barred note or painted canvas or hard granite. [Or stainless steel, or titanium, or by having 'L. Ron Hubbard' identified with people's 'survival!']
"Foolishly perhaps, but determined nonetheless, I have high hopes of smashing my name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form even if all the books are destroyed.
"That goal is the real goal as far as I am concerned.
"Things which stand too consistently in my way make me nervous. It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years Roosevelt will have been forgotten - which gives some idea of the magnitude of my attempt."
L. Ron Hubbard, August 1938
From the 'Epilogue' of Jon Atack's 'Piece of Blue Sky':
"In 1938 Hubbard's single goal was to achieve immortality in name... The Church (Church of Spiritual Technology) has as its sole function the perpetuation not of Scientology, but the name of L. Ron Hubbard."
"Living is a pretty grim joke, but a joke just the same.
"The entire function of man is to survive. Not for 'what' but just to survive...
"I turned the thing up [The Dynamic principle of Existence: Survive!] so it's up to me to survive in a big way.
"Personal immortality is only to be gained through the printed word, barred note or painted canvas or hard granite. [Or stainless steel, or titanium, or by having 'L. Ron Hubbard' identified with people's 'survival!']
"Foolishly perhaps, but determined nonetheless, I have high hopes of smashing my name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form even if all the books are destroyed.
"That goal is the real goal as far as I am concerned.
"Things which stand too consistently in my way make me nervous. It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years Roosevelt will have been forgotten - which gives some idea of the magnitude of my attempt."
L. Ron Hubbard, August 1938
FinallyFree
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Oh I remember that. That was going on pretty big when I first joined staff at LA Day. I remember, as a staff member, going to ASI to see samples of the titanium containers, the discs and other things that are just a fuzzy memory.
Funny, I remember ASI had just been renovated and how completely beautiful it was - I had no IDEA scientology could be that glitzy, even back then a little red flag seemed to pick up a breeze on just this one point for me. But who was I to ask questions - you know how scientology is about any real questions when it comes to how things are done.
I remember a lot of money was being asked for those things, the urgency for them to be completed before "the world ended itself through WWIII" - he he I even remember that this project was OLD... you know the process, you start to wonder if it was so old yet so utterly URGENT... why hadn’t been taken care of before this??? Another breeze flickering a red flag.
Boy, I think the REAL product of the lower Bridge just might be to stop all those nagging little breezes over your little red flags..... just maybe.
Funny, I remember ASI had just been renovated and how completely beautiful it was - I had no IDEA scientology could be that glitzy, even back then a little red flag seemed to pick up a breeze on just this one point for me. But who was I to ask questions - you know how scientology is about any real questions when it comes to how things are done.
I remember a lot of money was being asked for those things, the urgency for them to be completed before "the world ended itself through WWIII" - he he I even remember that this project was OLD... you know the process, you start to wonder if it was so old yet so utterly URGENT... why hadn’t been taken care of before this??? Another breeze flickering a red flag.
Boy, I think the REAL product of the lower Bridge just might be to stop all those nagging little breezes over your little red flags..... just maybe.
Arthur Dent
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Red flag/s is the right concept.
I felt and shared information about that project with so many..
Kind a feel betrayed. Again.
Would you put anything that eternally important on titanium/steel sheets and amazing undestructable paper in a safe bunker,
after you regged thousands for it in order to preserve it for the mankind without checking first if it was totally on source?
That is the only point why I started this thread.
Because it's a BIG fucking red flag, the way I see it.
I felt and shared information about that project with so many..
Kind a feel betrayed. Again.
Would you put anything that eternally important on titanium/steel sheets and amazing undestructable paper in a safe bunker,
after you regged thousands for it in order to preserve it for the mankind without checking first if it was totally on source?
That is the only point why I started this thread.
Because it's a BIG fucking red flag, the way I see it.
Wisened One
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Oh god, I remember all the hoopla about those titanium plates! Remember the Events talking about all that, and how we had to raise money towards it, etc.etc. 
Wonder if they keep making new titanium plates with every 'new' book being published?
I can't believe people keep falling for such a scam!!
Wonder if they keep making new titanium plates with every 'new' book being published?
I can't believe people keep falling for such a scam!!
Jachs
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Interesting..
I thought the vault was alraeady done and dusted forgive the pun
I thought the vault was alraeady done and dusted forgive the pun
exsomessenger
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more then one vault is done. there are at least 5 vaults that are done. and it is not just metal plates that are stored in them.
Dulloldfart
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Do they still reg people directly for money for "the Vault Project" or whatever they call it? It seems different from the IAS scam and the Super Power scam and the Ideal Orgs scam.
• The IAS scam is fraudulent because it supposedly collects money for planetary dissemination and fighting suppression etc., and then the money gets spent on David Miscavige's rock star lifestyle and legal (attorneys, PIs) costs of fighting whistleblowers.
• The Super Power scam is fraudulent because the money is supposedly for the SP building but the funding for it was completed years ago.
• The Ideal Orgs scam is fraudulent because parishioners pay for a local org's building that does not benefit the local area AT ALL. The real estate is given to Int Mgmt, and the local traffic does not justify the increased space and increased overheads costs.
There is much more that is fraudulent, but that gives the flavour of it.
• But the "Preservation of the Tech" project? I agree this is a really wacky idea, but I don't see any obvious fraud in it. The leaked docs show literally hundreds of millions of dollars being spent on subterranean vaults and exotic preservation materials containing Hubbard's (more or less) words. That is exactly what has been promoted, and what has been produced, as far as I can tell. How worthwhile it all is is another story, but there is no significant fraud as far as I can tell.
Paul
• The IAS scam is fraudulent because it supposedly collects money for planetary dissemination and fighting suppression etc., and then the money gets spent on David Miscavige's rock star lifestyle and legal (attorneys, PIs) costs of fighting whistleblowers.
• The Super Power scam is fraudulent because the money is supposedly for the SP building but the funding for it was completed years ago.
• The Ideal Orgs scam is fraudulent because parishioners pay for a local org's building that does not benefit the local area AT ALL. The real estate is given to Int Mgmt, and the local traffic does not justify the increased space and increased overheads costs.
There is much more that is fraudulent, but that gives the flavour of it.
• But the "Preservation of the Tech" project? I agree this is a really wacky idea, but I don't see any obvious fraud in it. The leaked docs show literally hundreds of millions of dollars being spent on subterranean vaults and exotic preservation materials containing Hubbard's (more or less) words. That is exactly what has been promoted, and what has been produced, as far as I can tell. How worthwhile it all is is another story, but there is no significant fraud as far as I can tell.
Paul
Are they going to give refunds for all the 'archived' Tech that's being pulped/melted down/destroyed?
Is Scientology actually going to *keep* copies of all alterations? That alone would make for a valuable archive project and is pretty much standard practice elsewhere.
Zinj
Is Scientology actually going to *keep* copies of all alterations? That alone would make for a valuable archive project and is pretty much standard practice elsewhere.
Zinj
Dulloldfart
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I assume that is a rhetorical question.
At a policy level, no. From what I hear, Miscavige orders that all the old stuff get tossed. I think the main reason for this is financial, as it forces people to buy the new items.
I remember when some new books or packs came in to ITO and I wanted to keep at least one set of the old stuff. The reason was that sometimes a student is hung up in an older version of some book or pack or issue, and showing a newer revision doesn't help a lot as the words the guy is hung up in aren't in there. I remember the then-CO, a fat bitch called Renée Norton, refusing and saying toss them ALL, no exceptions.
Paul
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I assume that is a rhetorical question.
At a policy level, no. From what I hear, Miscavige orders that all the old stuff get tossed. I think the main reason for this is financial, as it forces people to buy the new items.
I remember when some new books or packs came in to ITO and I wanted to keep at least one set of the old stuff. The reason was that sometimes a student is hung up in an older version of some book or pack or issue, and showing a newer revision doesn't help a lot as the words the guy is hung up in aren't in there. I remember the then-CO, a fat bitch called Renée Norton, refusing and saying toss them ALL, no exceptions.
Paul
Holy shit! As an untrained excellent word clearer I feel for you.
And the all that there is.
AnonKat
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This is NOT OK !!!!
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What about the basements across the world filled with "Investment Quality Limited Edition Prints" of the cover art to Mission Earth? These ASI created framed limited editions, "printed on archival paper and signed by the artists in editions of only 100 each" were what paid for the "preservation" in the beginning.
"Beacause of the massive boom of Scientology across the world, these limited editions will become even more rare and exclusive than they are now." Don't delay to take advantage of this investment "instrument".
How's your "no significant fraud" theory now Paul?
Ah - what pleasure - I finally got to tell Paul something he didn't already know!! Should I be laughing or crying?
Err, let me go check my storage shed for flooding.....
This is NOT OK !!!!
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Two of the big "investors" in prints were:
Greg Hughes (of Sterling Management and WISE fame - reported by some on this board to still be in the hole at Int.
Ben Kugler - lives in Clearwater - say's he was Budda in a last lifetime
Greg Hughes (of Sterling Management and WISE fame - reported by some on this board to still be in the hole at Int.
Ben Kugler - lives in Clearwater - say's he was Budda in a last lifetime