Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

[survivalist]

The martyrathbun.* and markrathbun.* (com, net, and org) are owned by the RTC.

But I notice they were all created in 2002. According to Wikipedia, Rathbun didn't blow until 2004. So apparently CSI registered these domains well in advance of his departure...?

 

[George Layton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ROzmZfZWfQ

I wonder if the plan was to post a video once a day but they got swept up in the excitement and posted a couple early?

 

[JustSheila]

Sweetness, we need to be careful and exact in our dates . . .

That date you gave which I highlighted in red above is NOT the date of the published findings of the inquiry. It is the date that the Victorian government "Council" ORDERED THE INQUIRY TO BE CONDUCTED. Look at the opening line of the Anderson Report you linked:

[FONT=&amp]This Board of Inquiry into Scientology was appointed by Order in Council made the 27th November, 1963, and published in the Victoria Government Gazette of the 28th November, 1963, No. 931, at p. 3547. The Order in Council was in the following terms:[/FONT][FONT=&amp]
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The actual publication of the findings of the inquiry, which ran about 18 months, was made nearly 2 years later in 1965.

This I know because I was a witness before the Board, being (the only to be) subpoenaed, to appear.

I spent 3 days before the Board.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Thanks. I gave the date it was published in the Victoria Government Gazette, as given in the link. You're right, of course, the actual findings were published two years later. There was a lot going on here and at least a few days worth of reading and studying, I am not in any way claiming to be an expert on it, just trying to help.[/FONT][FONT=&amp]

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[FONT=&amp]I know for a fact that Steve Cannane read and researched every word of the transcript of the inquiry. Further, I provided him with my record (written) of my examination and testimony . . . but the gig became that my whole testimony and cross examination before the Board ended up "in camera" and not in the Official transcript. I also provided Steve with the rebuttal by the CofS published in a booklet by them in the title of: KANGAROO COURT: An Investigation into the Conduct of the Board of Inquiry Scientology.

Steve wisely chose not to bore the eyeballs out of his readers with what is available from the Inquiry transcript . . . it's all bloody boring; but findings as published are of use and interest to history, some of which he referred to.

Steve wisely chose to write a real page turner dealing with the truths of what happened to key individuals and their history in Scientology's development. There was a lot more he could have written, but he wisely chose to not do an encyclopedia monster. He kept his work exciting and interesting.

Seeing Rathburn's comment about Steve's work simply demonstrates to me how inept, dishonest, and lost Rathburn is. Frankly, when I saw Rathburn saying, regarding the Melbourne Inquiry, quote: "I went through this with him (Gibney) in some detail with Ewan (or, you and) Cameron being involved in this . . . etc., and prosecutor Dax . . . etc" Firstly, I can see absolutely how made up Rathburn's statements are. He is actually making his shit up as he goes trying to discredit Gibney but actually using Steve Cannane's work as a verification that the Mel Inquiry was a witch-hunt; which it was . . . it was conducted as a witch-hunt by Anderson, Joust and Dax, et al, . . . BUT, that does not invalidate the actual FINDINGS. The findings as published are actually correct.

This point of the CONDUCT of the inquiry was as a witch-hunt, but yet the findings were correct, is something Steve and I discussed at length . . . in fact, I well remember his pointed, very pointed, questioning of me on this point in the vein that we see TV journalists do when they are challenging for truth in their interviews. Steve and I spent time in my office and at dinner here at home. Plus subsequent follow-up questions and verifications.

RogerB
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Yes, Steve Cannane is meticulous with research and so is Lawrence Wright. How cool that Steve spent so much time personally going over every detail with you! I thought it was pretty funny to see Marty going on about how he was pontificating to Lawrence Wright how he should do research when Marty's own research is simply parroting whatever propaganda Scn taught him and Lawrence Wright is a highly respected veteran writer, researcher, journalist and Pulitzer Prize winner. That was so lame, but funny! Marty - with no formal education beyond High School, believing he knew more about research than an expert in the field. Classic!

Marty was referring to Ewan Cameron, for sure. That's a NN favorite name because of Donald Ewan Cameron's abuses in MK Ultra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra For four years (1961-1965) Cameron headed the World Psychiatric Association. That portion of the vid is about Tubby's paranoia and effort to divert attention from the issue of Scientology abuses in Australia. It's a red herring, though. As you know, there's not a shred of evidence to support that; Dr. Cameron wasn't involved in it at all. Here, Marty again makes the same egocentric assumptions he's made about Australia for years - that Australia is some sort of extension of America. Like his assumption that Steve Cannane's research for his book was based on HIM, when Marty was just a drop in the bucket of vast, extensive interviews and information centered around Scientology in Australia.

What appears to be completely non-sequitur Marty ramblings is about this Hubbard rant that was published on Tony's site when Tony had a discussion with Steve Cannane about the Victorian Inquiry:

http://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/st...book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/

Psychiatry had nothing to do with the Inquiry, though, nothing at all. It was intentionally thrown out there as a red herring to divert attention from the Church of Scientology's abuses in Australia.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

For the last few days since seeing those videos, I've been feeling unsure (of myself) and a bit sad, fragmented and almost tearful ... I don't want to believe that people can't change and I really believed that Marty was no longer the slime-ball that he was when in the cofs. Even when I watched the first few videos I just thought he looked ill and I WANTED him to demonstrate some humanity and to back up what he KNOWS to be the truth regarding the cult. I have always seen him as being one of the biggest victims of the cult and if I'm being honest I still do, and yet I'd like to reach out and shake him, hard ... for daring to post those disgusting videos.

I expect there's a lesson to be learned through all of this but right now I have no idea what it is or why it matters so much.

Sorry to ramble, I know it's inappropriate and irrelevant and I expect I'll delete it when I next log in.

 

[IWantOffThisTrain]

Long time lurker and I needed to tell you all THIS is the thread that hit home for me. So many of you have taken the time to not only say Marty is lying but dug out the actual proof and it has not gone unnoticed. I appreciate and value each of your posts on ESMB and applaud your honesty. Thank you all.

Now on to Marty. The one thing that I have never been able to understand is there are few if any stories told about the parts he has played in OSA activities. Rinder gets called out regularly and explains and apologizes (it always does my heart warm to see/read exscientologists accept his apology with grace and understanding). Why has Rathburn been allowed to skate? I have seen little shots taken over the years but not a group effort (gee whoever is running the ASC better get it together).

I have no clue what the real purpose behind this video series is and I cant help but feel there is some nefarious reason behind it. Did Marty commit criminal acts that he could actually be tried for and this is his way of trying to change the narrative? The statute of limitations would be up for most crimes unless it was a federal crime or murder though so maybe thats not the case. For some reason I feel there is more to this than just being a CO$ shill or payoff...

 

[survivalist]

For the last few days since seeing those videos, I've been feeling unsure (of myself) and a bit sad, fragmented and almost tearful ... I don't want to believe that people can't change and I really believed that Marty was no longer the slime-ball that he was when in the cofs.

Take comfort in the fact that even if Rathbun can't change, there are many, many examples of those who could and did.

There are a lot more videos on YouTube from ex-Scientologists who've truly remade their lives than current Scientologists who are stuck.

There's now a sizable bookshelf written by ex-Scientologists telling their personal stories, and every one of them reflects powerful life change.

You don't need me to list more examples. You're one yourself.

 

[Type4_PTS]

For the last few days since seeing those videos, I've been feeling unsure (of myself) and a bit sad, fragmented and almost tearful ... I don't want to believe that people can't change and I really believed that Marty was no longer the slime-ball that he was when in the cofs. Even when I watched the first few videos I just thought he looked ill and I WANTED him to demonstrate some humanity and to back up what he KNOWS to be the truth regarding the cult. I have always seen him as being one of the biggest victims of the cult and if I'm being honest I still do, and yet I'd like to reach out and shake him, hard ... for daring to post those disgusting videos.

I expect there's a lesson to be learned through all of this but right now I have no idea what it is or why it matters so much.

Sorry to ramble, I know it's inappropriate and irrelevant and I expect I'll delete it when I next log in.

I don't think you're post is either irrelevant or inappropriate.

I think ALL who ever had any involvement with Scientology are victims, and many of us to some degree were perpetrators as well, in most cases unwittingly.

Many who got involved did so with the intent to serve humanity, not realizing they jumped on board an organization that was abusive, criminal, and defrauded thousands.

In Marty's case, if he got in with any issues, either character issues, or any other, he joined an organization that promised it could help him, and so he was lied to as well, and in that way I see him as a victim.

What I wrote though isn't meant to minimize in ANY way the harm he's caused to others during his time in or since.

 

[JustSheila]

For the last few days since seeing those videos, I've been feeling unsure (of myself) and a bit sad, fragmented and almost tearful ... I don't want to believe that people can't change and I really believed that Marty was no longer the slime-ball that he was when in the cofs. Even when I watched the first few videos I just thought he looked ill and I WANTED him to demonstrate some humanity and to back up what he KNOWS to be the truth regarding the cult. I have always seen him as being one of the biggest victims of the cult and if I'm being honest I still do, and yet I'd like to reach out and shake him, hard ... for daring to post those disgusting videos.

I expect there's a lesson to be learned through all of this but right now I have no idea what it is or why it matters so much.

Sorry to ramble, I know it's inappropriate and irrelevant and I expect I'll delete it when I next log in.

People can change.

Not all people, though. And just to keep this interesting since you're an atheist but also kinda philosophical, I think the ones that don't change to become wiser and more mature have one of these going on... and Marty demonstrates more than one or two.

Deadly Sins List & Meanings

1. Envy = the desire to have an item or experience that someone else possesses
2. Gluttony = excessive ongoing consumption of food or drink
3. Greed or Avarice = an excessive pursuit of material possessions
4. Lust = an uncontrollable passion or longing, especially for sexual desires
5. Pride = excessive view of one's self without regard to others.
6. Sloth = excessive laziness or the failure to act and utilize one’s talents
7. Wrath = uncontrollable feelings of anger and hate towards another person

http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-are-seven-deadly-sins

 

[Lurker5]

For the last few days since seeing those videos, I've been feeling unsure (of myself) and a bit sad, fragmented and almost tearful ... I don't want to believe that people can't change and I really believed that Marty was no longer the slime-ball that he was when in the cofs. Even when I watched the first few videos I just thought he looked ill and I WANTED him to demonstrate some humanity and to back up what he KNOWS to be the truth regarding the cult. I have always seen him as being one of the biggest victims of the cult and if I'm being honest I still do, and yet I'd like to reach out and shake him, hard ... for daring to post those disgusting videos.

I expect there's a lesson to be learned through all of this but right now I have no idea what it is or why it matters so much.

Sorry to ramble, I know it's inappropriate and irrelevant and I expect I'll delete it when I next log in.

 

[Type4_PTS]

People can change.

Not all people, though.

<snip>

IMO, Marty seemed on a path where he was making positive changes. It *could* of been that his intent from early on was to eventually go back in the cult and/or to throw his attorneys and friends under the bus at some point. That's a possibility. But it's not the way it seemed to me.

I feel that the progress was genuine and some of his actions were done with the intention to help others. Obviously he's either reverted back to earlier ways and/or cracked under extreme pressure.

Whatever the WHY is on his current behavior, there's nothing that excuses it. There's nothing I could conceive of which would make me want to give him a pass. Surely he knows the nature of the CoS and Miscavige better than anyone, and he's responsible for the circumstances in which he's found himself in recent years and presently. And he chose his response to those circumstances, which as I wrote earlier, appears as though he made a deal with the devil.
In my book, there's nothing that would justify him taking that route. Yes, he's got a family to take care of, but there were alternative ways for him to take care of them other than what he did.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Long time lurker and I needed to tell you all THIS is the thread that hit home for me. So many of you have taken the time to not only say Marty is lying but dug out the actual proof and it has not gone unnoticed. I appreciate and value each of your posts on ESMB and applaud your honesty. Thank you all.

Now on to Marty. The one thing that I have never been able to understand is there are few if any stories told about the parts he has played in OSA activities. Rinder gets called out regularly and explains and apologizes (it always does my heart warm to see/read exscientologists accept his apology with grace and understanding). Why has Rathburn been allowed to skate? I have seen little shots taken over the years but not a group effort (gee whoever is running the ASC better get it together).

I have no clue what the real purpose behind this video series is and I cant help but feel there is some nefarious reason behind it. Did Marty commit criminal acts that he could actually be tried for and this is his way of trying to change the narrative? The statute of limitations would be up for most crimes unless it was a federal crime or murder though so maybe thats not the case. For some reason I feel there is more to this than just being a CO$ shill or payoff...

Hey IWantOffThisTrain,

 

[Lurker5]

Yes Train- and

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

..

Wow, Marty is already up to PART #11!

One of my deep-backchannel leaking sources has let me have a rare sneak preview all of the videos in the entire series!! Thus I am both proud and honored to present to you some teasers of coming attractions.

SELECTED MARTY RATHBUN QUOTES:

(Part #49): "On page 167 Wright rambles on and on about Ron allegedly kidnapping his one year old child, Alexis, and fleeing to Cuba, where he terrorized his then-wife by sending her messages that he had murdered the baby. That never happened. Wright just made it up. Nobody got kidnapped. Ron was a Scientologist and no Scientologist would ever kidnap anyone! Hey, I would know! I was in charge of kidnapping!"

(Part #153): "On page 239 Wright babbles incomprehensibly about some lie that he made up where Ron supposedly claimed:"...I almost got run down by a freight locomotive the other day on Venus". Ron never said that or anything like that! Wright just made it up, never happened! Nada! Oh, and get this, then Wright claims that he heard an audiotape from 1952 where Ron said that. LOL. Listen, in 1952, Ron was in Philadelphia delivering what became known as the Philadelphia Doctorate Course--so he would not have had any time to be making audio recordings. And to make Wright's willingness to lie even more laughable, back in 1952 the technology didn't even exist on this planet to make audio recordings!"

(Part #204): "On page 314 Wright just flat out lies when he claims that eyewitnesses said that Miscavich was beating someone every day at Int Base. Never happened! Nobody ever said there were daily beatings! Then Wright even tries to claim that I was the one that said that there were daily beatings by Miscavige! Read my lips, did-not-happen! I never said that! And I can prove that I never said that, it's right on my blog from a few years ago and anyone can see it for themselves! It wasn't something I said--it was something I wrote! Hey, read it for yourself! This is not rocket science people!"
​

 

[lotus]

For the last few days since seeing those videos, I've been feeling unsure (of myself) and a bit sad, fragmented and almost tearful ... I don't want to believe that people can't change and I really believed that Marty was no longer the slime-ball that he was when in the cofs. Even when I watched the first few videos I just thought he looked ill and I WANTED him to demonstrate some humanity and to back up what he KNOWS to be the truth regarding the cult. I have always seen him as being one of the biggest victims of the cult and if I'm being honest I still do, and yet I'd like to reach out and shake him, hard ... for daring to post those disgusting videos.

I expect there's a lesson to be learned through all of this but right now I have no idea what it is or why it matters so much.

Sorry to ramble, I know it's inappropriate and irrelevant and I expect I'll delete it when I next log in.

Feel the same as you do...sis..
But I am not sad anymore..only disgusted.

I am sad for people who he did dammaged when he was inthe cult, and who chose to forgive him, to give him a chance to de better and recover...and for others who came to his defense...and for his family!

I had been so much disgusted when I watched the RPF video...

He could have made all the videos he wanted, lie all his teeth, as he used to, make a prick and a dickead of himself, loose his dignity, I wouldn't comment, since I don't know what he is facing in term of pressure...

But What he said and laughed in the last video (RPF)

His present decisions and behavior are not the result of the cult mindset..it's rooted in one's personnality traits...(I know of people like Marty..never been in a cult and not mentally ill..)

Hopefuly, he gets many millions $$$, for selling his dignity and honor (you only have one of them given to you...)
How does it worth to be not deserving any respect, trust, not even from your close friends and family ???

Oh well, Ray Jeffrey would have taken a part of the settlement, but wouldn't have sold his dignity. Cupidity ????? How much he was offered to help Miss Cavige avoiding to be deposed???? How much to make an unprecedented order of magnitude of a jerk of yourself for the rest of your life????
A prison of millions of $$$$ ????????

 

[TrevAnon]

Snipped

Wow, Marty is already up to PART #11!

(Part #49): ...

(Part #153): ...

(Part #204): ...
​

Someone over at the Bunker said that Marty was going to trash all people who ever spoke out.

In b4 2,788 parts!

http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out

 

[fastzrex]

What I find strange is Marty has obviously spent a lot of time studying the book Going Clear page by page and writing down specific points to talk about yet he doesn't seem to have done any fact checking.

The result is that people like Tony Ortega and Karen de la Carriere are taking his "facts" and smashing them out of the park and producing real facts for everyone to see.

I really think Marty follows a script from DM; from viewing the videos Marty has to do a lot of looking down at notes, which is also odd.

~ Mark

 

[Free Being Me]

..

Wow, Marty is already up to PART #11!

One of my deep-backchannel leaking sources has let me have a rare sneak preview all of the videos in the entire series!! Thus I am both proud and honored to present to you some teasers of coming attractions.

SELECTED MARTY RATHBUN QUOTES:

(Part #49): "On page 167 Wright rambles on and on about Ron allegedly kidnapping his one year old child, Alexis, and fleeing to Cuba, where he terrorized his then-wife by sending her messages that he had murdered the baby. That never happened. Wright just made it up. Nobody got kidnapped. Ron was a Scientologist and no Scientologist would ever kidnap anyone! Hey, I would know! I was in charge of kidnapping!"​

(Part #153): "On page 239 Wright babbles incomprehensibly about some lie that he made up where Ron supposedly claimed that he "...I almost got run down by a freight locomotive the other day on Venus". Ron never said that or anything like that! Wright just made it up, never happened! Nada! Oh, and get this, then Wright claims that he heard an audiotape from 1952 where Ron said that. LOL. Listen, in 1952, Ron was in Philadelphia delivering what became known as the Philadelphia Doctorate Course--so he would not have had any time to be making audio recordings. And to make Wright's willingness to lie even more laughable, back in 1952 the technology didn't even exist on this planet to make audio recordings!"

[video=youtube;xi8ywNNoznE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi8ywNNoznE[/video]
Elcon quote on Venusian train

(Part #204): "On page 314 Wright just flat out lies when he claims that eyewitnesses said that Miscavich was beating someone every day at Int Base. Never happened! Nobody ever said there were daily beatings! Then Wright even tries to claim that I was the one that said that there were daily beatings by Miscavige! Read my lips, did-not-happen! I never said that! And I can prove that I never said that, it's right on my blog from a few years ago and anyone can see it for themselves! It wasn't something I said--it was something I wrote! Hey, read it for yourself! This is not rocket science people!"

David Miscavige's abuses and violence
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25271-David-Miscavige-s-abuses-and-violence

Valentine's Day Massacre - The Death of INCOMM
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?17815-Valentine-s-Day-Massacre-The-Death-of-INCOMM

Marty is a lying liar that lies.

 

[Free Being Me]

Long time lurker and I needed to tell you all THIS is the thread that hit home for me. So many of you have taken the time to not only say Marty is lying but dug out the actual proof and it has not gone unnoticed. I appreciate and value each of your posts on ESMB and applaud your honesty. Thank you all.

Now on to Marty. The one thing that I have never been able to understand is there are few if any stories told about the parts he has played in OSA activities. Rinder gets called out regularly and explains and apologizes (it always does my heart warm to see/read exscientologists accept his apology with grace and understanding). Why has Rathburn been allowed to skate? I have seen little shots taken over the years but not a group effort (gee whoever is running the ASC better get it together).

I have no clue what the real purpose behind this video series is and I cant help but feel there is some nefarious reason behind it. Did Marty commit criminal acts that he could actually be tried for and this is his way of trying to change the narrative? The statute of limitations would be up for most crimes unless it was a federal crime or murder though so maybe thats not the case. For some reason I feel there is more to this than just being a CO$ shill or payoff...

 

[Terril park]

What I find strange is Marty has obviously spent a lot of time studying the book Going Clear page by page and writing down specific points to talk about yet he doesn't seem to have done any fact checking.

The result is that people like Tony Ortega and Karen de la Carriere are taking his "facts" and smashing them out of the park and producing real facts for everyone to see.

Clearly Marty is deliberately imparting disinformation.
And I speak as a fan of Marty. I feel sorry for him.

 

[phenomanon]

Clearly Marty is deliberately imparting disinformation.
And I speak as a fan of Marty. I feel sorry for him.

"Imparting Disinformation"