Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

[ILove2Lurk]

. . .
A bit more on the topic of who knew what and when and who hid what and when:

Question I asked Mike Rinder in 2013:

What’s the back story? Why did management cover up LRH’s apparent failure
to deliver on many of his more hyperbolic OT promises . . . and from what I
can tell even achieve them himself? Why lie to all of us from 1986 on? Seems
like there was an enormous conspiracy of silence and a forwarding of a patently
untrue LRH mythology. The lies told were an unthinkable betrayal.


​

Mike Rinder says:
April 21, 2013 at 9:55 pm

Marty’s books and blog have covered this pretty extensively. There was a hidden data line inside
the church too. I was not aware that these materials didn't exist until after I left.

Miscavige wanted them so he would have a carrot to hold out. But he also could NOT afford to say
“Sorry folks, I know LRH said OT IX and X were ready and there was a Grade Chart with OT X1 to XV
on it, but they don’t exist” as it would have caused a revolt. In order to maintain his position he has
had to pretend to be fully in alignment with LRH and the ONE carrying out his wishes and intention.
It has been a slow process to convince the masses that he is the new Messiah. And now it is valuable
to him to appear to have something that people want but cannot have “yet” …
​

Bolding in passages above is mine.

Yet in 2016, Mike recounts a different story. It's pretty interesting if you haven't heard it.

Marty and Mike were both at the Newberry Ranch for the raid and search for upper OT levels.
Yingling was there too. They knew early on there was nothing, in fact.

Click on the banner at the beginning of the video to go to 43:35.

[video=youtube;_gpIjbieFyQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gpIjbieFyQ[/video]

Hate to beat a dead horse, but some people might not have heard this stuff and it's germane
to both Marty and Mike's sagas. Especially shocking in light of Marty's current flip-flop.

In fairness to all men, many memories and views have changed over the years looks like.

 

[WildKat]

Mike Rinder weighs in again....

"Marty Rathbun's Meltdown"

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/marty-rathbuns-meltdown/

Excerpt....

"I have tended to ignore pretty much everything he has said, and I could care less what he says about me personally (all anyone need do is go back and look at many of his laudatory comments about me to see that both versions of me that he preached about cannot be true).
But I do not appreciate him taking aim at people who have suffered harm at the hands of scientology and calling them liars." (My bold)

 

[skep]

Guess that's about the same as using the official RTC KR form on the COS site

REMOVE SPACES htt ps://www. rtc.org/rep orts/form/index.html?locale=en

Gotta love the source html of that page.

<TITLE>Religious Technology Center | David Miscavige Chairman | Report a Trademark, Policy or Practice Violation</TITLE>

<META NAME="description" CONTENT="Report standards, policies and ethics violations or matters of concern regarding misuse of the Scientology religion and Dianetics technologies and trademarks to the Religious Technology Center (RTC) and Inspector General Network. Learn more about RTC and David Miscavige, the Chairman of the Board.">

<META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="religious technology center david miscavige chairman board rtc nonprofit scientology church international csi scientologists dianetics trademarks founder l ron hubbard lrh spiritual healing spirituality beliefs world organized religion philosophy alternative western different major new faith theology belief religions trademark symbols scientologist symbol what materials technologies electronic report form ethics standards policies">

There is more crap about Miscavige than da cherch.

 

[skep]

Leah hate site; REMOVE SPACES htt p://ww w.leahreminiaft ermath.com/videos/

Serious question. Why not just put the whole link in? There is no known reason not to.

 

[guanoloco]

My leaker has come through again with a test shot.

Originally, they had Jim dressed in brown but felt a blue coat
would look better on him for the final shoot. I agree.

View attachment 13584

:wink2:
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These shoops are so good I can't discern the fake...atleast on a mobile device. Hats Off! And HIP! HIP!

 

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

Yeah, I always scratched my (thetan's) head when reading those demented "critic" sites, that were really just OSA's pathetic WordClowning Goonery.

I never had a question about WHY they set up those morons in a lame attempt to "debunk" (dead agent) the truthful whistleblowers.

My question was only this: Is "Bernie" (or Joel Phillips of "Religious Freedom Watch", or other cult shills) really a believer? Is that why they are spewing demented, non-stop propaganda lies? Or are they severely mentally ill fringe-dwellers that are simply easy to manipulate by the cult?

And, once that's answered, I still wonder--is there really any discernible difference between the two?

This is why Die-anetics is such a big seller. It claims correctly that it is the science of Mental death errr healthy death.. okay lets be kind and say science of Mental hell-usion.

 

[CommunicatorIC]

[FONT=&quot]Chris Cimy has responded to Marty Rathbun in defense of John Sweeney.[/FONT]
https://twitter.com/CGS_Extra/status/879153036970610690

THE LINKED PODCAST WITH JOHN SWEENEY: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cgshere/2017/04/21/come-get-sum-extra-scientology-edition-bbc-reporter-john-sweeney

 

[guanoloco]

. . .
A bit more on the topic of who knew what and when and who hid what and when:

Question I asked Mike Rinder in 2013:

What’s the back story? Why did management cover up LRH’s apparent failure
to deliver on many of his more hyperbolic OT promises . . . and from what I
can tell even achieve them himself? Why lie to all of us from 1986 on? Seems
like there was an enormous conspiracy of silence and a forwarding of a patently
untrue LRH mythology. The lies told were an unthinkable betrayal.


​

Mike Rinder says:
April 21, 2013 at 9:55 pm

Marty’s books and blog have covered this pretty extensively. There was a hidden data line inside
the church too. I was not aware that these materials didn't exist until after I left.

Miscavige wanted them so he would have a carrot to hold out. But he also could NOT afford to say
“Sorry folks, I know LRH said OT IX and X were ready and there was a Grade Chart with OT X1 to XV
on it, but they don’t exist” as it would have caused a revolt. In order to maintain his position he has
had to pretend to be fully in alignment with LRH and the ONE carrying out his wishes and intention.
It has been a slow process to convince the masses that he is the new Messiah. And now it is valuable
to him to appear to have something that people want but cannot have “yet” …
​

Bolding in passages above is mine.

Yet in 2016, Mike recounts a different story. It's pretty interesting if you haven't heard it.

Marty and Mike were both at the Newberry Ranch for the raid and search for upper OT levels.
Yingling was there too. They knew early on there was nothing, in fact.

Click on the banner at the beginning of the video to go to 43:35.

[video=youtube;_gpIjbieFyQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gpIjbieFyQ[/video]

Hate to beat a dead horse, but some people might not have heard this stuff and it's germane
to both Marty and Mike's sagas. Especially shocking in light of Marty's current flip-flop.

In fairness to all men, many memories and views have changed over the years looks like.

 

[survivalist]

Here's an interesting observation on the view counts for Marty's vids and related statistics from a comment on Mike Rinder's blog.

 

[Gib]

This is why Die-anetics is such a big seller. It claims correctly that it is the science of Mental death errr healthy death.. okay lets be kind and say science of Mental hell-usion.

hold on there fella, dianetics is not a big seller. There are only two times it was, which are the first release of it in 1950, and the second time because of Jefferson Hawkins marketing campaign of the 1980's.

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Mike Rinder has added to his further (i.e., second) response to Marty Rathbun.

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/marty-rathbuns-meltdown/

* * * * * BEGIN EXCERPT * * * * *

Addition:

Part 6 has just appeared (I wonder if he has any other clothes) in which Marty proceeds to trash Amy Scobee. While calling her and Mat his “friends” and saying he has “nothing against her” he gives her the Marty friend treatment and calls her a liar and opportunist engaged in some grand conspiracy (he is sounding more and more like Alex Jones with his concocted theories of grand plots and long term plans).

I guess he didnt actually WATCH the episode about Amy and her mom. Accusing her of taking advantage of the death of her mother to be a “TV star” and “get a job in Hollywood” is beneath disgusting.

* * * * * END EXCERPT * * * * *

 

[CommunicatorIC]

[FONT=&amp]Chris Crimy further responds to Marty Rathbun on the issue of Scientology and the LGBTQ community.

https://twitter.com/CGS_Extra/status/879178515920322561

[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]




[/FONT]THE PODCAST WITH NORA CREST LINKED IN THE TWEET:[FONT=&amp] http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cgsher...nora-crest-why-you-cant-be-gay-in-scientology


/
[/FONT]

 

[TrevAnon]

Serious question. Why not just put the whole link in? There is no known reason not to.

If I do, the google algorithm has one more reason to move the rtc site a little higher in the search result. (Pun intended. )

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

...

I hate to oversimplify but. . .

The seeds of Scientology always grow into the same plant.

A troll.

I have observed (and posted) for years that Scientologists are trolls BY DEFAULT. Rathbun is a perfect showcase. He trolled for his entire multi-decade career in the COS (Crimewave of Scientology). Then, after leaving the COS, he trolled on and off for years. Now, ALL he does is troll.

The same can be said for multitudes of other Scientologists. For example, if you are familiar with Alanzo's intermittent trolling (at ESMB), he never changed. Like Rathbun he progressively grew worse and worse until ALL he was doing was trolling. Then he suddenly quit and disappeared. Then he set up his own troll blog and progressively worsened (again) until he just recently quit and disappeared (again).

That is Hubbard in a nutshell too. He was always a troll (see Fair Game) and eventually trolled himself off the mainstream of society until he had to go into hiding. That devolved even further until he was riding & hiding in a BlueBird motorhome. How's that for abject clownery for a supernatural guru who has a cash stash of hundreds of millions of dollars?

This is where trolls end up.

And like all his glorious OT heroes (Commodore, COB, et al), Rathbun's got a burning fuse on him as well.

The joke in all this is that RATHBUN ACTUALLY THINKS HE IS OUTSMARTING AND PLAYING BOTH SCIENTOLOGY CRITICS AND THE COS. I can pretty much guarantee that he does not believe even 10% of the total idiocy in those videos. It's trolling.

So, let's see where Rathbun takes all this idiotic trolling before he suddenly disappears. It'll happen.

Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the Rathbun show. It's REALITY TV where the star is demonstrating in real-time what the term "SOCIOPATHIC BEHAVIOR" means. Everyone can learn some valuable lessons from watching a genuine sociopathic liar and narcissist at work.

 

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

hold on there fella, dianetics is not a big seller. There are only two times it was, which are the first release of it in 1950, and the second time because of Jefferson Hawkins marketing campaign of the 1980's.

I learn something everyday. Now I know it not okay to lie when making a joke....according to Gib.... jk my friend.

I hope you laughed B4 YOU decided to write that KR and stated the facts which I happen to agree with. okay I stopp horsing around now.

 

[rickybobby]

...

I hate to oversimplify but. . .

The seeds of Scientology always grow into the same plant.

A troll.

I have observed (and posted) for years that Scientologists are trolls BY DEFAULT. Rathbun is a perfect showcase. He trolled for his entire multi-decade career in the COS (Crimewave of Scientology). Then, after leaving the COS, he trolled on and off for years. Now, ALL he does is troll.

The same can be said for multitudes of other Scientologist. If you are familiar with Alanzo's intermittent trolling (at ESMB), he never changed. Like Rathbun he progressively grew worse and worse until ALL he was doing was trolling. Then he suddenly quit and disappeared.

That is Hubbard in a nutshell too. He was always a troll (see Fair Game) and eventually trolled himself off the mainstream of society until he had to go into hiding. That devolved even further until he was riding & hiding in a BlueBird motorhome. How's that for abject clownery for a supernatural guru who has a cash stash of hundreds of millions of dollars?

This is where trolls end up.

And like all his glorious OT heroes (Commodore, COB, et al), Rathbun's got a burning fuse on him as well.

The joke in all this is that RATHBUN ACTUALLY THINKS HE IS OUTSMARTING AND PLAYING BOTH SCIENTOLOGY CRITICS AND THE COS. I can pretty much guarantee that he does not believe even 10% of the total idiocy in those videos. It's trolling.

So, let's see where Rathbun takes all this idiotic trolling before he suddenly disappears. It'll happen.

Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the Rathbun show. It's REALITY TV where the star is demonstrating in real-time what the term "SOCIOPATHIC BEHAVIOR" is. Everyone can learn some valuable lessons from watching a real sociopathic liar and narcissist at work.

THIS^^^^^

Just pressing the button "Thanks" wasn't enough. Well said!

He'll smugly shoot his wad and then go slinking off into the sunset, having pocketed his blood money, patting himself on the back for his brilliance. Until the next installment payment comes around again....

 

[anonomog]

...



The joke in all this is that RATHBUN ACTUALLY THINKS HE IS OUTSMARTING AND PLAYING BOTH SCIENTOLOGY CRITICS AND THE COS. I can pretty much guarantee that he does not believe even 10% of the total idiocy in those videos. It's trolling.

So, let's see where Rathbun takes all this idiotic trolling before he suddenly disappears. It'll happen.

Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the Rathbun show. It's REALITY TV where the star is demonstrating in real-time what the term "SOCIOPATHIC BEHAVIOR" is. Everyone can learn some valuable lessons from watching a real sociopathic liar and narcissist at work.

Yes. He is playing everyone. The smartest guy in the room till the very end.

 

[Lulu Belle]

In case anyone has a shred of doubt about Rathbun's videos being produced by COS...

http://www.leahreminiaftermath.com/

Front and center.

 

[Lurker5]

...

I hate to oversimplify but. . .

The seeds of Scientology always grow into the same plant.

A troll.

I have observed (and posted) for years that Scientologists are trolls BY DEFAULT. Rathbun is a perfect showcase. He trolled for his entire multi-decade career in the COS (Crimewave of Scientology). Then, after leaving the COS, he trolled on and off for years. Now, ALL he does is troll.

The same can be said for multitudes of other Scientologist. If you are familiar with Alanzo's intermittent trolling (at ESMB), he never changed. Like Rathbun he progressively grew worse and worse until ALL he was doing was trolling. Then he suddenly quit and disappeared.

That is Hubbard in a nutshell too. He was always a troll (see Fair Game) and eventually trolled himself off the mainstream of society until he had to go into hiding. That devolved even further until he was riding & hiding in a BlueBird motorhome. How's that for abject clownery for a supernatural guru who has a cash stash of hundreds of millions of dollars?

This is where trolls end up.

And like all his glorious OT heroes (Commodore, COB, et al), Rathbun's got a burning fuse on him as well.

The joke in all this is that RATHBUN ACTUALLY THINKS HE IS OUTSMARTING AND PLAYING BOTH SCIENTOLOGY CRITICS AND THE COS. I can pretty much guarantee that he does not believe even 10% of the total idiocy in those videos. It's trolling.

So, let's see where Rathbun takes all this idiotic trolling before he suddenly disappears. It'll happen.

Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the Rathbun show. It's REALITY TV where the star is demonstrating in real-time what the term "SOCIOPATHIC BEHAVIOR" is. Everyone can learn some valuable lessons from watching a real sociopathic liar and narcissist at work.

Yes, M is demonstrating for all to see what sociopaths do - this IS the actual 'SP' - the 'clay model' of it - that scno/lrh talks about.
Like lrh's behavior too, for that matter. All the scno tech is a distraction - fingers pointing at someone/thing else - to blame - to trick and fool good people into not SEEING the reality of Evil, into believing it is coming from somewhere else, when it is really coming from within - scno/lrh/self.

Also, those who think M is smart to have taken the money for doing this - that he is rolling in the dough, while all the other critics will one day be looking for more work - THAT is sociopathic too. Without 'conscience'. Good people do not behave or think this way. Evil really does exist in this world, and we are observing it 'at work'. This - the M's videos, scno/co$/o$a - are it . . . Those who still defend M are either sociopaths/trollers too - or they are deluded - and/or mentally ill. Is sociopathology a mental illness? I don't give a shit whether it is or not. Who cares . . . Sociopaths cannot be healed or fixed or changed. They are evil because that part of the highly developed human brain that operates the 'conscience' is missing or is damaged in sociopaths. Brain damage cannot, at this time, be regenerated/healed. The human conscience either exists or it doesn't. People with conscience can be tricked into sublimating it, through shit like scno tech, brainwashing, and they will behave in evil ways, but can be recovered, if removed from that environment - IF they seek improvement and enlightenment. M kissed his ass goodbye - a long time ago - it seems. I feel sorry for his kid and wife. What a legacy to lay before them - what a burden they now have to carry - along with all that cash, if they got a payoff. Money does not buy happiness. But Evil does thrive rolling around in lots of money. But maybe M just did this out of spite - and there is no money. No one ever said sociopaths were smart. In fact they often cut off their noses to spite their own faces. They cannot help themselves, just like the scorpion who stings the frog giving it a ride across the river, dooming them both. It is in their nature. We are observing the TRUE nature of M and co$/o$a/lrh tech . . .

 

[Veda]

Marty sends a message to Mike Rinder:

"His continuing to denigrate Scientology, his continuing to belittle Scientology, is the worst possible thing he could ever do in terms of reconciling with his son or daughter."


[video=youtube;051SoaHXXos]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=051SoaHXXos[/video]​