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Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2

arcxcauseblows

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I really hope Marty's getting rich making these silly footbullet kowtow movies

Very possible he was framed or black mailed into them but I guess that's fair karma if that's the case
 

RogerB

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Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

I wonder about this:

1) What are the lawyers exactly doing who represented the Rathbun's to get paid?
2) This case was that one of his wife Monique's, wasn't it? Or was it his case? Did anyone interview her in the last 2 years? Does she have any friends?
2) Karen de la Carriere posted that she canceled his credit card with Amex. Did that upset him and his wife? (Not saying that she had no right to cancel it, just wondering why they are no friends anymore)
3) Tony Ortega posted today a writing of a judge to Scientologists on his blog. Do you think that could upset the judge?

C.P. . . . that which I highligthed in red . . . . It was actually a card on Karen's account . . . she was giving him charity and a helping hand to get himself sorted out after he came out of the SO. He had no money and no credit record history . . . hence he would not have been able to get such a card (note Karen mentions it was an Amex GOLD Card . . . those bloody things have no credit limit!!! Spend what you will!!)

So, it was not "his" card . . . it was a card "in his name" on her account that she paid for as charity.

My Sweet Virginia and I each have a card in our individual names on the CC we most use . . . but it is MY account . . . not individual accounts for each named card.

I give you this as an indication of and as to the extent of the betrayal by this nasty bastard piece of work. He is now waging the OSA war against Karen#1 . . . this after she effectively saved his life with her charity when he first got out!

It really is quite unbelievable shit.

RogerB
 
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anonomog

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Mike and Leah playing "footsie"
Paulette Cooper,drama queen, pulling up stuff that happened 40 years ago, that the church settled 30 years ago.
Mike and Marty were tasked to eradicate the <vague bad> things like that that "allegedly" happened. (Lolwot?)
Leah and Mike and everyone just making stuff up. Rinse repeat.

Synopsis of sicko whackjob's latest smearfest.

I need a bath. With industrial strength bleach.
The words were one thing, seeing him gleefully enjoying himself. Ugh.

Anyone who still has bets open on the coercion theory, pull them now. That is a dead horse there.
 
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Veda

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"This Paulette Cooper business is literally a stage act." Marty, from Leah video #11.​

[video=youtube;ThzE9j29Ha8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThzE9j29Ha8[/video]

Three things to keep in mind regarding the covert operations against Paulette Cooper:

1) They were covert applications of L. Ron Hubbard's instructions, a.k.a. "Scientology tech," and that same "confidential tech" still exists, with "wogs" and "raw meat" being told that the "tech" is "sacred scripture" and "eternal."

2) The secret details would never had been revealed if not for an accident. Scientology almost got away with it.

3) What was done to Paulette Cooper was a reflection of L. Ron Hubbard's character, and his (actual) philosophy. That character and philosophy is woven into Scientology as it exists today.


___________​

Perhaps the best known victim of L. Ron Hubbard&Scientology was Paulette Cooper. The FBI arrested Paulette Cooper in the early 1970s. Her life became a hell.

Many years later, by accident, she was exonerated.

What motivated the FBI to raid several Scientology locations in 1977 was not anything to do with Paulette Cooper, or any of Scientology's other victims in the private sector or inside Scientology. The raids were solely motivated by Scientology's meddling with government files.

Since then, the world has changed, largely because of the Internet, but Scientology hasn't changed. It has, however, adjusted to changed circumstances, but it's always done that.


___________​


On the PR front, when the "fit hit the shan," back in 1980, after the court ordered release of previously secret Scientology documents, Scientology went on the widely viewed American television program, '60 Minutes', with two PR representatives, one dressed as a minister in clerical collar, insisting that the actions against Paulette Cooper were merely the result of "some overzealous members protecting their religion," and that L. Ron Hubbard had nothing to do with it.

Part of the program from 1980 - "Reverend" Whitman, and spokesman Gaiman can be seen beginning at 2:00:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuOBGZyfw3o&feature=related



Then, from 1985, from 1:48 -2:12, "Reverend" Heber Jentzsch compares Paulette Cooper, writing a little paperback book, with the Japanese attack of Pearl Harbor, and then quotes from the Bible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Drk3eVQSg&feature=related


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From Hubbard's confidential INTELLIGENCE, ITS ROLE of 3 June 1973:

We are potentially successful beyond the greatest dreams and aspirations of any former Intelligence service in the universe bar none.

Intelligence furnishes much of the data on which evaluation is based.

What could be called SUPPORT Intelligence (or attack or offensive Intelligence) is the other side of the coin, and also forms a vital part of Intelligence activities. But here Intelligence is carrying out part of a program furnished by evaluation to command and ordered executed.


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From Hubbard's confidential 'Intelligence Actions - Covert Intelligence Data Collection', 1969:

Essentially a covert operation is intended to embarrass, discredit, or overthrow or remove an actual or possible opponent. It's a small war being carried out without the true source being revealed.


__________​


To provide some additional background, in case anyone hasn't seen it, here's an excerpt from the letter from Sara Northup to Paulette Cooper. Hubbard had become aware of this letter, by way of his spies - including a spy planted in Cooper's apartment building - and aware that Paulette and Sara had been corresponding. This letter, which had been either stolen or copied by one of Scientology's spies, ended up in a Scientology file cabinet. It was later retrieved during the FBI raids of July 1977.


Mar 20, 1972

Dear Paulette,

Thank you for sending the Photostat of the column concerning Ron.

I really think he is a terribly destructive man - and mad as a hatter.

Last fall a couple of men came here to my home on Maui (Hawaii). They looked like undertakers' assistants. They were very pale - wore cheap black suits, white shirts, dark ties.

They told me they were "agents", but they wouldn't tell me what, or who, they were agents for. They wouldn't show me any identification. They had a long list of personal questions to ask me and they had a "warning" to give me. They told me that people posing as reporters might try to get me to talk about Ron but I would be in trouble if I said anything at all to them.

They wanted to come in the house but I wouldn't let them. I told them I wouldn't speak with them unless they came with identification. They said they'd "check with headquarters and be back this evening". I never saw them again.

My older daughter [Alexis Valerie] (who is Ron's daughter) was home over the holidays. When she arrived back at college there was a man who had been waiting for her in the local inn. He had been there 3 or 4 days.

She asked him to come to her Dorm to talk with him. He told her he was Ron's agent. He had several typewritten pages of "statements" to read her. It had obviously been written by Ron.

It said to her that she was illegitimate - that I was a "street-walker" he had hired as a combination housekeeper-secretary. He said that he fired me and that I came back to his doorstep "destitute and pregnant" and that out of his great heart he had taken me in to see me "through my trouble".

He said that when Alexy was a "Toddler" she was a cute little thing so he took her and a cat, "Motor Boat", along on his wanderings "as pets" for 2 years.

[Alexy was 15 months old when we were divorced]

He also said that during World War II I was a Nazi spy. (He used to tell people that I was a Communist spy who received orders from Moscow by telepathic control). I don't know why he had me change sides.

He said that I had been "used by those in control to discredit Mr. Hubbard." He said he forgave me but it made him very sad.

The paper was signed, "Your good friend, J. Edgar Hoover". The agent told Alexy he was an F.B.I. agent. He would not allow her to inspect it - would only read it to her. At the end he asked her if she had any questions.

She was both angry and shocked that Ron could do such a thing. She told him - "the agent" - it was self-explanatory and asked him to leave. She has had a feeling that her father was a rather romantic figure. These paranoid ravings were frightening to her. She had not realized how sick he was before this incident.

I was furious that he would try to hurt Alexy...

I hope that when you win your court case, as you must, that you collect court costs and reparations.

His sickness is not just destructive, it is also contagious. I hate to think how many weak people have been harmed by this man.

The day of my divorce from Ron was like a day of rebirth for me. I feel that Alexy and I escaped from a death-in-life situation.

I am really afraid of him. He has such control over his people - and so many of them - that even from England he could do something to hurt Alexy. You have no idea the lengths to which he can go (or, maybe you do?).

These visits from his "agents" are just warnings. The two who came to see me told me as much. It is really frightening not knowing what he might do next...

I'm sorry that I never met you. Please do write and tell me what happens with your case. Ron has the advantage of money - but you have rationality on your side. Surely that must be more important.​


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Nine months later, the bomb threat frame-up of Paulette Cooper was initiated.


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Interview with Nancy Many. (At 1:30): "Hubbard hated Paulette Cooper. He hated her and he wanted her destroyed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY76WHmRlYA&feature=player_embedded
 

Boson Wog Stark

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[video]https://youtu.be/fH5iAFnzkCE[/video]

I can see something good coming out of Pt. 11. An active Scientologist, especially a younger one, may have never heard of Paulette Cooper. They may go to the Internet to find out who she is and what her story is. They would find out that not only is she an author, but Tony Ortega wrote a book about her, and how after she narrowly missed extermination in the Holocaust as an infant and young child, after she wrote a book about Scientology as an adult, Scientologists set out to ruin her life and very nearly succeeded.

Marty gives the impression she is a former Scientologist. He says, "Paulette Cooper was somebody who was involved with Scientology in the '70s." He mentions that Scientology settled her lawsuit. He doesn't say much more about what happened.

With this whole series, I'm getting the impression that Marty is incomprehensible partly because he has to be careful about what he says, especially all the things he can't talk about. He can't say something as basic as, "Paulette Cooper wrote a book about Scientology in 1971 called The Scandal of Scientology."

He can't say, "You should watch Leah's series for yourself and you would see what I mean."

By going down this hit list of people, especially the ex-Scientologists on Leah's show, Marty runs the risk of mentioning someone an older Scientologist may have worked with and liked. They will wonder what's up with all this.

To Scientologists who know who he is, Marty would be considered one of the most infamous SPs in Scientology history, so who is he to be pretending he's the Roger Ebert of critics, or knows what's what about TV programs or books about Scientology? Is it because he was so right-on about David Miscavige being like Hitler?
 

BrashJerk

New Member
Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

How to report a video to YouTube. Marty Rathbun has 30, 000 to 40,000 views in 24 hours.
This is the use of click farms and paid companies to pretend a video is popular.
YouTube has penalities for fraudulently inflating views and LIKES.
YouTube welcomes KNOWLEDGE REPORTS.
Here is how to report FRAUD.
Under the name of the channel, on any YouTube screen right side are 3 icons.
ADD TO
SHARE
....... (Dots)MORE CLick on the dots. The drop down window gives a choice to REPORT. See my screen shots below. Follow the prompts and report if you wish.

In image below #3 he got 1111 LIKES, (one thousand one hundred and one) likes in a couple of hours ! LOLOLOL


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Marty.fraud.3.png

I don't believe it's being "view botted" or anything similar. Someone showed a screenshot of Marty's vids running as adverts on the David Pakman channel and others. That would account for the large amount of views. It would also explain the lack of engagement on the likes/dislikes as most people skip adverts as soon as the option comes up and don't directly go to the channel the video came from.
 

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[video=youtube;fH5iAFnzkCE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH5iAFnzkCE&amp;ab_channel=HiberniaEugenesis[/video]



Wanna see "Duper's Delight"? Go to 01:23 of that video for a few seconds.

I must mention in passing that I have seen that same kind of facial construct so many times while in Scientology, particularly from a Guardian's Office/OSA thug in the midst of staging their TR-L crafted "acceptable truth".

The best way I can describe it is that they just sort of flash a glassy-eyed, smugly self-satisfied, leering smirk.

The last time I saw it up close from a Scientologist, in person, was years ago when I randomly ended up chatting briefly to a person I had never met nor seen before, while shopping in a mall. I tend to strike up conversations with strangers all the time when I am waiting in lines, in elevators or any other place where I encounter homo sapiens and there are a few moments to fill with something better than silence, lol.

Within about 20-30 seconds I heard a "tell" that made me wonder if they were perhaps a Scientologist. So I continued the conversation, very subtly steering things closer and closer without them having a clue. And, YES, it turns out that once upon a time they were a Scientologist. Doing my dumb act (well-practiced, and quite compelling I might add, lol) I sort of mentioned in a dull-disoriented way that I had once heard about Scientology. (e.g. "Hey, wasn't that the religion that the guy who wrote Dianetics created?") Now the person I was chatting with got very interested in me for some reason, perhaps because they'd successfully identified a human who was willing to raptly listen to their shore stories? lol.

The conversation was further stealthily maneuvered into other archives (e.g. "Hey, I don't know if I am confusing this, but didn't I read a long, long time ago that Scientologists got in trouble with the US government or something?") This is where I learned that the person I was talking to had been a (proud) ranking member of the GO at that time. Of course, they had NO IDEA WHATSOEVER that I had been a Scientologist or that I already knew everything about that which I was asking (evil 1.1, right? lol).

So, having taken them into deep waters and noting that they were now "locked in" on handling me, I dropped the bomb: "Hey, I don't know if I remember this right (it was so long ago!) but decades ago, didn't I read a newspaper article saying that Hubbard's wife went to jail or whatever?") This is the precise point they pulled out their old GO bag of tricks and went to work--and their visage immediately transformed.

"No, no no, LOL. That was all so completely & incorrectly reported by the media!"

(ME): "But didn't she get convicted and go to federal prison?"

(Now the creepy fixed leering smirk erupted): "Oh, actually that wasn't the story at all. Mary Sue Hubbard's only "crime" was that she "borrowed some copy paper!"[SUP]* [/SUP](cue happy twinkling eyes with full-dial smirk). I watched their face intently for any sign of remorse or cringe for lying so blatantly. None. Just the "winning face" of a Scientologist applying their hoax-craft.

Although, as mentioned, I have seen this duping F/N face many times before, it was nonetheless quite surprising to see how that "borrowed some copy paper" line lit up their facial expression with the gloat of triumphant tech treachery.

I mention all this only because I see that exact same face in Rathbun's many videos. He is grinning and winning as he spews a stream of degenerate & despicable lies. Probably F/Ning too.

Did anyone have any other questions about the malicious mental illness known as Scientology?





[SUP]*[/SUP] Mary Sue Hubbard merely "borrowed some copy paper" :
Pay no attention to what was the "biggest espionage raid in FBI history" that targeted the "largest infiltration ever vs. the US government". (You see, all that breaking and entering, espionage, robbery, grand theft and wide-scale spy network that penetrated US governmental buildings, agencies, files and computers---all that was just so that retrieve some data--so of course Mary Sue wanted that data "in writing", thus it was all so innocent that she mentioned to her spy network that it sure would be good if she could get some photocopies. And so, naturally, she needed some copy paper. Hey, people in offices in every city in the world make photocopies every single day, there's no crime here, move along. Anyways, I'm sure Mary Sue would be willing to replace the copy paper, no need to get all upset and launch into a witch-hunt!)

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Glenda

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- vid snipped to protect mental health of readers -

Wanna see "Duper's Delight". Go to 01:23 of that video for a couple seconds.

I must mention in passing that I have seen that same thing so many times while in Scientology, particularly from a Guardian's Office or OSA thug in the midst of staging their TR-L crafted "acceptable truth".

The best way I can describe it is that they just sort of flash a glassy-eyed, smugly self-satisfied, leering smirk.

The last time I saw it up close, in person, was when I randomly ended up chatting briefly to person I had never met nor seen before, while shopping in a mall. I tend to strike up conversations with strangers all the time when I am waiting in lines, in elevators or any other place where I encounter homo sapiens and there are a few moments to fill with something better than silence, lol.

Within about 20-30 seconds I heard a "tell" that made me wonder if they were perhaps a Scientologist. So I continued the conversation, very subtly steering things closer and closer without them having a clue. And, YES, it turns out that once upon a time they were a Scientologist. Doing my dumb act (well-practiced, and quite compelling I might add, lol) I sort of mentioned in a dull-disoriented way that I had once heard about Scientology. (e.g. "Hey, wasn't that the religion that the guy who wrote Dianetics created?") Now the person I was chatting to got very interested in me for some reason, perhaps that he had successfully identified a human who was willing to listen to him, lol.

The conversation was further stealthily steered into other archives (e.g. "Hey, I don't know if I am confusing this, but didn't I read a long, long time ago that Scientologists got in trouble with the US government or something?") This is where I learned that the person I was talking to had been a ranking member of the GO at that time. Of course, they had NO IDEA WHATSOEVER that I had been a Scientologist or that I already knew everything about what I was asking (evil, right? lol).

So, having taken them into deep waters and noting that they were now "locked in" on handling me, I dropped the bomb: "Hey, I don't know if I remember this right (it was so long ago!) but didn't Hubbard's wife end up going to jail?") This is the precise point they pulled out their old GO bag of tricks and went to work.

"Well, that was all incorrectly reported by the media!"

(ME): "But didn't she get convicted and go to federal prison?"

(Now their creepy fixed leering smirk began): "Oh, actually that wasn't the story at all. Mary Sue Hubbard's only "crime" was that she "borrowed some copy paper!" (cue happy twinkling eyes with full-dial smirk) I watched their face intently for any sign of remorse or cringe for lying so blatantly. None. Just the "winning face" of a Scientologist applying their hoax-craft.

I mention all this only because I see that exact same face in Rathbun's videos. He is grinning and winning as he spews a stream of degenerate & despicable lies. Probably F/Ning too.

Did anyone have any other questions about the malicious mental illness known as Scientology?


Wow! I so get this!

That "glassy-eyed, smugly self-satisfied, leering smirk" which adapts to "happy twinkling eyes with full-dial smirk". OMG the memories that filled my head reading this.

The plastic person. The cult-identity. The liar that avoids reality as if it were the plague. The smirk that hides a multitude of shadowy distorted confusions.

The juggler of lies and deceptions and deflections. The juggler without the balls to face reality.

Thank you for your post HH. I appreciate it.
 

Terril park

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Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

Smoke and mirrors to hide the obvious. The Oracle surfaced as "COB"​

I've already told you this s not true!

There is an organisation that would be delighted to forward,
invent, repost bad PR about Tony O.

You have not demonstrated that TO is COB. So put up
evidence she is or shut up!
 

rickybobby

Hostess of the Internet
Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

I've already told you this s not true!

There is an organisation that would be delighted to forward,
invent, repost bad PR about Tony O.

You have not demonstrated that TO is COB. So put up
evidence she is or shut up!

So, if you have spoken with her....

Since you are suggesting that it is likely this "organization" that is posting these diatribes on Marty's blog, I take it you do not deny that the most probable scenario here is that he has turned his blog over to them? Does the Oracle also acknowledge that this is a likely possibility?
 

Gizmo

Rabble Rouser
Well, nowhere or time was I ever trusting of old snake ratburn. Always stuck me a completely dishonest sleaze bag.

Oh, how long have I known that bastard ? I was at the complex horseshoe when he was doing his first day as a body guard - he didn't do so good at that.

Anyway, I didn't listen to his whatevers he posted all in some broken up shit style ( suits him - so maaaaty ).

Seems he has hit his stride on showing his colors.
 

Tanchi

Patron with Honors
Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

I've already told you this s not true!

There is an organisation that would be delighted to forward,
invent, repost bad PR about Tony O.

You have not demonstrated that TO is COB. So put up
evidence she is or shut up!

I saw that post by Oracle a few months ago, probably on Rathbun's blog. It would be easy to copy paste it.
 

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Wow! I so get this!

That "glassy-eyed, smugly self-satisfied, leering smirk" which adapts to "happy twinkling eyes with full-dial smirk". OMG the memories that filled my head reading this.

The plastic person. The cult-identity. The liar that avoids reality as if it were the plague. The smirk that hides a multitude of shadowy distorted confusions.

The juggler of lies and deceptions and deflections. The juggler without the balls to face reality.

Thank you for your post HH. I appreciate it
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Such a cool note, thanks!

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By George, I think she's got it!

The reign of the insane

Stays mainly in the
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[SUP]1[/SUP] The Spirit Of Play - A Hubbardian concept (expounded upon his 1953 Philadelphia Doctorate Course) that is equally or more cherished by Scientologists than any other single Scientology self-help tool--because it provides a handy and instant cure-all to become "total cause" over all of life's difficult problems. More specifically, "The Spirit of Play" is a mythologically idealized childlike state of mind in which mythological operating thetans (because they have audited out their "mental mass" which causes "seriousness") attain the ability to manifest "insouciance" and, thereby, "success". Hubbard guarantees that the very instant one's care/concern/worry vanish, one's postulates are granted and miracles ensue! This may ultimately help explain why caved-in OTs who are miserably failing in life inexplicably are reluctant to allow themselves to feel any cares/concerns/worries about the fact that their OT powers are not now (nor have they ever) worked.






 
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Gizmo

Rabble Rouser
Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

I've already told you this s not true!
. . . .. [snip]

But, are we to believe that :

TP said it ! TP believes it ! That settles it for all !

:giggle:

:lol:

:roflmao:

I will believe anything you say ..................... that I can verify from a reliable source.
 

rickybobby

Hostess of the Internet
Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

I saw that post by Oracle a few months ago, probably on Rathbun's blog. It would be easy to copy paste it.

The content of the repeated post looked very familiar to me. I went back and reviewed all posts on Marty's blog for at least a year (I had a couple of hours to kill lol) and I noted that the Oracle had posted similar, but not identical items. This recent, repeated post is an expanded, enhanced (and, dare I say it) a wee bit more coherent version of what I have seen her post in the past. If you have a link to this exact post (or a post that substantially shares the verbiage) in previous Marty Blog comments (or anywhere else on the 'net) I'd love to have a link to it. I find it intriguing that a post that AT THE LEAST was inspired by previous Oracle posts was repeated on Marty's blog under other posters names (a feat that is probably something done by an admin), and that the Oracle herself has not posted on his blog since this mess began. Either this is her content being posted by an admin under other names by some unknown entity on his blog, or someone else is mimicking her style and making these postings under other's names. And she, under her own moniker, has been silent.
 

Tanchi

Patron with Honors
Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

The content of the repeated post looked very familiar to me. I went back and reviewed all posts on Marty's blog for at least a year (I had a couple of hours to kill lol) and I noted that the Oracle had posted similar, but not identical items. This recent, repeated post is an expanded, enhanced (and, dare I say it) a wee bit more coherent version of what I have seen her post in the past. If you have a link to this exact post (or a post that substantially shares the verbiage) in previous Marty Blog comments (or anywhere else on the 'net) I'd love to have a link to it. I find it intriguing that a post that AT THE LEAST was inspired by previous Oracle posts was repeated on Marty's blog under other posters names (a feat that is probably something done by an admin), and that the Oracle herself has not posted on his blog since this mess began. Either this is her content being posted by an admin under other names by some unknown entity on his blog, or someone else is mimicking her style and making these postings under other's names. And she, under her own moniker, has been silent.

I'll look, but I have only been reading any of these blogs since Nov. I might have seen it on Alanzos blog.
 

Gib

Crusader
Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

I've already told you this s not true!

There is an organisation that would be delighted to forward,
invent, repost bad PR about Tony O.

You have not demonstrated that TO is COB. So put up
evidence she is or shut up!

I have to agree with you. As far as we know, the poster on Marty's blog could very well be DM as COB. :confused2: COB posts are an attack on Tony Oretga.

However, there are two organizations, and possibly more thru their influence and connections, and even individuals who still believe that the state of "clear" and "OT" can be had thru scientology/hubbard ideas, a religion I suppose, LOL, no clears or OT's is the bottom line.

Of the two is the freezone, and the other is the indie movement, (here in the USA,) otherwise know as the Religious Liberty League:

http://religiouslibertyleague.org/mission-statement/

I might note, there are very few posters on Marty's blog these days as opposed from the past. What's up with that?

The freezone still believe in clear/ot, so does RLL.

COB posting on Marty's blog has lots of lawyers at his disposal.

What's interesting about Marty's recent video snips, is he never mentions ESMB, OCMB, ex scientology kids blogs or message boards. What say you Marty?

:confused2:
 
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