Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2

[Lurker5]

Sunday is Karen, Ron Miscavige and Mike's turn.

Word salad, rambling, almost incoherent.

Karen pays for everybody to do everything and anything. By the sounds of it Karen could finance first world governments. Probably does. Jeez Karen who knew!

Except Marty who won't be bought. Ever. No not him. Uh uh. Nope. Right. Okay? Maybe just a little but not where it mattered unlike the other two degenerates.

David Miscavige is the son every parent wants. Joined the SO because drugs and his generation going downhill and the miracle asthma cure. Hallelujah praise xenu.
Ron so feeble minded one google search changed 80 years of faith. No consistency obviously, except for 80 years. Slacker.

What else. Rinder money grubbing fame whore spotlight hog. Daaamn. He sure hides it well.

Leah. Well Leah makes everything up for effect and every one in the ASC just lets it go. As long as it tells the story. Weird thing there. I have been corrected a number of times by exes and concepts explained. I wonder where they have all gone?
Hmm. They are still here. I'll ask them.

Well, there you are, mawtee yanking on his 'fest' again, doing dm a good one . . .

 

[anonomog]

So my monthly check will from now on be coming from her instead of Eli Lily?

No, you are eligible for all. Brilliant pension and medical plan and Christmas bonus in tax free bonds. I'll get my financial adviser to pm you the contact details.

 

[tesseract]

Here are Marty's own words in Pt. 11, and the segments I'm leaving out do not clarify any of this:

The stuff she alleged, we were young men when we first got involved in handling this stuff. We were dealing with activities that we were tasked with abolishing, and did, at that time. And he's (Rinder) saying 37, 35 years later, "They will do this." And so it's this mutual stroke fest, this series which is degenerating progressively more and more into. So they're stroking Cooper for all this stuff she would settle satisfactorily 35 years ago, and acting as if Scientology will do those things now, right? With no predicate or basis.

It's this mutual stroke fest which is a creation on top of a creation. They're creating Paulette Cooper into something that exists in the present, and she's creating them as serving some useful purpose, and it's all just a creation of their imaginations.

Thanks for the transcript!
What language is this supposed to be?? Alzheimer's? Schizoidish? He's a native speaker, yes?
The scientologists who are probably going to (have to) watch this, are not going to understand a thing. Except perhaps her name ... to then google it. LOL.
Edit: not so much as an act of rebellion but probably in an attempt to better understand the point the cult is trying to make by letting them watch this. As with Hubbard's stuff, everybody will probably think they're the only one who didn't get the point.

Out of ~750 reaction pics, I'm not finding an appropriate one. Oh, wait... There's one I was going to use, and if necessary, on Marty. Because cult watch. Yes!

 

[Type4_PTS]

<snip>

Here are Marty's own words in Pt. 11, and the segments I'm leaving out do not clarify any of this:

The stuff she alleged, we were young men when we first got involved in handling this stuff. We were dealing with activities that we were tasked with abolishing, and did, at that time. And he's (Rinder) saying 37, 35 years later, "They will do this." And so it's this mutual stroke fest, this series which is degenerating progressively more and more into. So they're stroking Cooper for all this stuff she would settle satisfactorily 35 years ago, and acting as if Scientology will do those things now, right? With no predicate or basis.

<snip>

If Marty were posting here on ESMB I'd ask him "Why WOULDN'T Scientology do those things now?"

Hubbard has still not returned from Target Two to revise (and/or cancel) his policies and advices that CoS runs off of.

I have no doubt that Scientology would still do these types of things (and worse), but they just would be more careful to keep similar activities from being exposed again the next time the CoS gets raided.

 

[Victoria]

Well, nowhere or time was I ever trusting of old snake ratburn. Always stuck me a completely dishonest sleaze bag.

Oh, how long have I known that bastard ? I was at the complex horseshoe when he was doing his first day as a body guard - he didn't do so good at that.

Anyway, I didn't listen to his whatevers he posted all in some broken up shit style ( suits him - so maaaaty ).

Seems he has hit his stride on showing his colors.

Just the random screenshots are amazing. I don't think I've ever seen anyone outside of politics squirm this hard, then pile TR's on top of that and you got a real mess on your hands.

 

[prosecco]

I am so genuinely shocked abut him turning on Mike Rinder.

Maybe be I was wrong about Marty, and I'm letting that sink in. I thought he was going through the decompression stages so publically so gave him a wide berth for that.

but the manic laughter is creepy, and there is something seriously wrong with him.

 

[Karen#1]

I'm doing a second post on Pt. 11, because Marty's review on Leah's segment about Paulette Cooper is an especially nutty ramble. He characterizes the episode as being a "mutual stroke fest" over "stuff" that went on, and it was stuff they were "tasked with abolishing," and that got "settled." No mention of what this stuff was.

Or, rather, he insinuates that Paulette's settlement was the result of an old story where Paulette Cooper "had a beef with Scientology and settled it." See folks? Cooper had a beef with Scientology and settled it. That's the whole story. Nothing to see here. Move on.

He doesn't mention the most basic things like Paulette Cooper wrote a book, or that Scientology framed her for making a bomb threat she didn't make. That's all part of the "stuff" that went on which is not worth mentioning, because it happened years ago.

Here are Marty's own words in Pt. 11, and the segments I'm leaving out do not clarify any of this:

The stuff she alleged, we were young men when we first got involved in handling this stuff. We were dealing with activities that we were tasked with abolishing, and did, at that time. And he's (Rinder) saying 37, 35 years later, "They will do this." And so it's this mutual stroke fest, this series which is degenerating progressively more and more into. So they're stroking Cooper for all this stuff she would settle satisfactorily 35 years ago, and acting as if Scientology will do those things now, right? With no predicate or basis.

It's this mutual stroke fest which is a creation on top of a creation. They're creating Paulette Cooper into something that exists in the present, and she's creating them as serving some useful purpose, and it's all just a creation of their imaginations.

Although he's getting caught up in his own jumble of words, Marty sounds like he said Paulette Cooper doesn't exist in the present. He is trying to deny that Paulette was followed and monitored by the cult years after she received a settlement, and with that he's suggesting the cult would never have anyone followed today, although he doesn't come out and say that. He just thinks his jumble of words will lead listeners to that conclusion.

Does Pat Broeker exist only in the past? Is Shelly Miscavige only in the past? How about L. Ron Hubbard, he in the past too, therefore not worth bringing up?

If Marty ever rambled this incomprehensibly when he was making an appearance on TV, being critical of either Miscavige or Hubbard, it was edited out.

I suppose that an analog for this series by Marty is the PR videos put out by Scientology where Scientologists enthuse about things, and often say total nonsense like, "I didn't know, but now I know." It's not about the content which matters, but you're supposed to catch the wave of enthusiasm and want to take that course or level to have your mind blown.

So the viewer of Marty's series is supposed to ride Marty's wave of critical thinking and knowingness concerning the critics of Scientology, which is bizarre because the cult has said he's a lunatic, which is backed up in part by this nonsensical ramble.

But I think it is an act. Marty is not imparting any "data." He's conveying a feeling and establishing a position. He is no longer a person who is going to criticize Scientology, Hubbard, or Miscavige, nor is he going to reflect critically on his own evolution or something as basic as what caused this shift in his thinking.

One of Paulette Cooper most famous quotes.
"I GRADUALLY CAME TO UNDERSTAND...THAT SCIENTOLOGY WAS WORSE THAN ANYTHING I HAD EVER EVEN IMAGINED"

I was there when Paulette and Mike Rinder met for the first time. It was a lovely moment. For some reason I felt an emotional pang. It was *wonderful* for Paulette.

After shooting the episode..

​

 

[ExposedPerfidy]

At the beginning of the last video Marty says:

The tail end of the episode 3, the AMA, they bring in Karen De La Carriere, who gives a big song and dance about her- her son and her former husband who is her claim to fame because he was [emphasis added] the President of the Church of Scientology.

Well isn't that interesting. Heber Jentzsch has not been seen in public for over a decade (save for his appearance at his son's funeral) but even as early as a year ago the CoS were still saying he's the President of CSI. I'm wondering why exactly is Marty saying otherwise. Did he accidentally let the truth slip that Jentzsch is in effect no longer CSI's President? Or was this deliberate? Maybe the people telling Marty what to say don't want Scientologists (the video's intended audience) to know that the church's current (nominal) president was married to a dangerous SP. They're hoping that today's Scientologists don't know who Karen is so when Marty says she was married to a former CSI President they'll think she was married to some guy they who no longer serves in any role, not the church's current (nominal) President.

Next Marty goes on to say that Ron Miscavige is jackal for turning on his son. What does that make George Remini, Leah's father who was spoke out against her in a CoS-produced video? Why are the CoS featuring that video on their website and letting a jackal speak for them? What about Trudy Hensley (Marc Headley's mother) and Hughe and Geraldine Whitt (Claire Headley's parents)? If you'll go to the church's hate website against the Headleys (not going to link to it here) you'll see all of those three people speaking out against Marc and Claire. Apparently Scientology will not only let jackals stay as church members (so much for expelling people for failling to follow Scientology's strict ethical demands!) but will also give them a platform.

I like how Marty doesn't mention the name of Ron's ghostwriter with whom he worked on Ruthless. Say it with me now, his name is Dan Koon a.k.a Joe Howard. That's right, the guy who played Joe Howard in LRH's instructional films and later on worked on compiling LRH's writings for RTC is now an SP!

 

[anonomog]

I am so genuinely shocked abut him turning on Mike Rinder.

Maybe be I was wrong about Marty, and I'm letting that sink in. I thought he was going through the decompression stages so publically so gave him a wide berth for that.

but the manic laughter is creepy, and there is something seriously wrong with him.

Why did the Indie s run for the hills when the guru thing went off track. You would think a strong bond would have endured for a few at least. They all seemed so close and arcy.

Why did Mike and Karen fade away from meetups and then nothing. Unusual for close friends.

Who was the common denominator?

I got the impression things went down very badly, but no one was graceless enough to spill it all. Which is how it should be honouring the memory of the friendship.

Long story short. I wasn't surprised. He has been compared negatively to Rinder for a while now. He wasn't the one with power and control. It burnt. Rueing commenced.

 

[PirateAndBum]

Part 12 - Marty lies even harder than before. 6:30 in he attempts to portray what in fact was the exact opposite of the situation: about the unimportance of family. Lies, lies and more lies. Let's not talk about how DM chastised his own father for calling him "Dave" rather than "Sir". Saying Leah is making up scripture when in fact she expressed her (accurate) assessment of the unimportance of family in the cult.

And as for one google search completely turning you around regarding Scn: that is exactly what happened for me when I googled Hubbard's death and found the coroner's report. Dear leader had lied to every scilon's face back in '86. So yes Marty, one google search can turn a believer into an apostate. I'm sure I'm not the only one that began the journey back up the rabbit hole after a single google search.

#12 is nothing but pure BS followed by more BS. Duper's delight exhibited many times, e.g. 11:10 where he says DM would never talk to a PI.

 

[George Layton]

Sunday is Karen, Ron Miscavige and Mike's turn.

Word salad, rambling, almost incoherent.

Karen pays for everybody to do everything and anything. By the sounds of it Karen could finance first world governments. Probably does. Jeez Karen who knew!

Except Marty who won't be bought. Ever. No not him. Uh uh. Nope. Right. Okay? Maybe just a little but not where it mattered unlike the other two degenerates.

David Miscavige is the son every parent wants. Joined the SO because drugs and his generation going downhill and the miracle asthma cure. Hallelujah praise xenu.
Ron so feeble minded one google search changed 80 years of faith. No consistency obviously, except for 80 years. Slacker.

What else. Rinder money grubbing fame whore spotlight hog. Daaamn. He sure hides it well.

Leah. Well Leah makes everything up for effect and every one in the ASC just lets it go. As long as it tells the story. Weird thing there. I have been corrected a number of times by exes and concepts explained. I wonder where they have all gone?
Hmm. They are still here. I'll ask them.

I think someone aught to give Marty a Kindle.

 

[George Layton]

The purpose of Leah's show is stated on its website:

Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath gives a voice to victims of the Church of Scientology despite public attempts to discredit them.

It seems like a fair description. Obviously, this hurts the goal of Scientology, its current math, to make money, make money, make more money, improving the lives of everyone who does Scientology, while destroying or at least intimidating anyone who speaks against it, branding them as bigots or anti-religion.

Besides warding off raw meat from joining, Leah's show accomplishes something which wouldn't be allowed when Scientology becomes the law one day: having ex-members speak out about their experiences in Scientology. From seeing Leah's show, many ex-members of Scientology are going to get the idea they'd like to speak out. Scientology can't have that!

In all his babbling, the thing Marty can't say is how he was spied upon and tormented for speaking out about his experiences in Scientology, and what he thought of David Miscavige. He's yet to explain why he thinks other people, like on Leah's show, should not be allowed to talk about their experiences or, rather, need to have their experiences assessed through the critical filter of super SP, kingpin of the "Posse of Lunatics" (according to Freedom Magazine) turned critic of the critics, Marty Rathbun.

It's not like he worked with any of these people, except for Rinder, maybe, as closely as he worked with David Miscavige, whom he compared to Hitler. Marty said in a deposition this wasn't being critical. Marty thought of it as factual, probably, like Hubbard almost being hit by a freight locomotive on Venus? Hubbard said that was factual, so you know it couldn't be his imagination. I mention this because Marty thinks that most recollections of bad things which happened to victims of Scientology is just their imaginations. Scientology couldn't possibly hurt anyone. It's a philosophy!

Through its policy/philosophy/science/religion, Scientology expects members who leave to spend their next trillion years shivering in darkness and complete silence, relative to talking about what they experienced in Scientology. No comment on how ludicrous that is, Marty? That's justified by Hubbard's dumpster load of books is it?

Scientology can't enforce the silence of its ex-members or other victims anymore, so it's time to send in the one man SP video cavalry, critic of the critics, Marty Rathbun.

Sorry this is kind of off tangent but it reminded me of a line from a song I heard a long while back, "I follow the music and the money, and that's what I'm doing out here." A sort of imaginary glance of Marty's path, following the money where ever it might be coming from.
But the song is nice and might make for a pleasant interlude in this twisting thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCTxbe6tdeM

 

[Glenda]

I am so genuinely shocked abut him turning on Mike Rinder.

Maybe be I was wrong about Marty, and I'm letting that sink in. I thought he was going through the decompression stages so publically so gave him a wide berth for that.

but the manic laughter is creepy, and there is something seriously wrong with him.

It's the maniacal laugh of a true turncoat. He has sold himself to the cult of scientology. The potential was always there imo. He slid into the real world and fucked over many good people then the cult bought him back.

Truly dark fanatics will turn on their best friends. It means nothing to them. The "cause" is everything. This is what the cult of scientology breeds. Truly crazy fanatics. How do I know this? My own (then) husband turned on me. Without an atom of visible conscience. So what I see before us with Marty has a familiar ring.

The smirking smiles we see Marty deliver are smirks I am familiar with. The cold cruel installed certainty of the truly screwed up fanatic is the stuff that nightmares are made of. These fake personalities will lie as easily as you can put a coffee cup to your lips. I lived with one, you would not believe the volume of lies. This isn't about me. For God's sake do NOT think that. I am trying to explain what the true mind controlled fanatic is like. They are incomprehensible, without conscience, and utterly focused on "the cause" no matter what words are falling out of their mouths. They lie. They cheat. They bring misery to the world. They are trained by scientology methods to do all this. [please note: I do not say any of this with an ounce of sympathy for fanatics. This ain't some sweet old ladies knitting circle speech. I know exactly what these people are capable of.)

We tend to forget that scientology is a mind-controlling cult system. We get all caught up in details and who said what, etc. The fact remains that the methods scientology uses removes all originality from individuals and replaces it with "the cause". Some people make it out of the mess and reclaim themselves. Some do not.

Marty is NOT special. Marty is an average fucked up true fanatic.

"Bow down before the one you serve
You’re going to get what you deserve"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao-Sahfy7Hg

 

[George Layton]

At the beginning of the last video Marty says:



Well isn't that interesting. Heber Jentzsch has not been seen in public for over a decade (save for his appearance at his son's funeral) but even as early as a year ago the CoS were still saying he's the President of CSI. I'm wondering why exactly is Marty saying otherwise. Did he accidentally let the truth slip that Jentzsch is in effect no longer CSI's President? Or was this deliberate? Maybe the people telling Marty what to say don't want Scientologists (the video's intended audience) to know that the church's current (nominal) president was married to a dangerous SP. They're hoping that today's Scientologists don't know who Karen is so when Marty says she was married to a former CSI President they'll think she was married to some guy they who no longer serves in any role, not the church's current (nominal) President.

Next Marty goes on to say that Ron Miscavige is jackal for turning on his son. What does that make George Remini, Leah's father who was spoke out against her in a CoS-produced video? Why are the CoS featuring that video on their website and letting a jackal speak for them? What about Trudy Hensley (Marc Headley's mother) and Hughe and Geraldine Whitt (Claire Headley's parents)? If you'll go to the church's hate website against the Headleys (not going to link to it here) you'll see all of those three people speaking out against Marc and Claire. Apparently Scientology will not only let jackals stay as church members (so much for expelling people for failling to follow Scientology's strict ethical demands!) but will also give them a platform.

I like how Marty doesn't mention the name of Ron's ghostwriter with whom he worked on Ruthless. Say it with me now, his name is Dan Koon a.k.a Joe Howard. That's right, the guy who played Joe Howard in LRH's instructional films and later on worked on compiling LRH's writings for RTC is now an SP!

Everyone knows that there are no jackals except in the ASC.

 

[Terril park]

Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

The content of the repeated post looked very familiar to me. I went back and reviewed all posts on Marty's blog for at least a year (I had a couple of hours to kill lol) and I noted that the Oracle had posted similar, but not identical items. This recent, repeated post is an expanded, enhanced (and, dare I say it) a wee bit more coherent version of what I have seen her post in the past. If you have a link to this exact post (or a post that substantially shares the verbiage) in previous Marty Blog comments (or anywhere else on the 'net) I'd love to have a link to it. I find it intriguing that a post that AT THE LEAST was inspired by previous Oracle posts was repeated on Marty's blog under other posters names (a feat that is probably something done by an admin), and that the Oracle herself has not posted on his blog since this mess began. Either this is her content being posted by an admin under other names by some unknown entity on his blog, or someone else is mimicking her style and making these postings under other's names. And she, under her own moniker, has been silent.

It could have been inspired by The Oracles posts. However she
can be quick at the keyboard and CO$ probably needs to labour
in red tape to get issue authority etc. I doubt that CO$ would
have neglected an issue to black PR Tony O. Possibly links from
TO's posts have been used. Has CO$ previously tried to black PR
on these issues?

 

[Terril park]

Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

I have to agree with you. As far as we know, the poster on Marty's blog could very well be DM as COB. :confused2: COB posts are an attack on Tony Oretga.

However, there are two organizations, and possibly more thru their influence and connections, and even individuals who still believe that the state of "clear" and "OT" can be had thru scientology/hubbard ideas, a religion I suppose, LOL, no clears or OT's is the bottom line.

Of the two is the freezone, and the other is the indie movement, (here in the USA,) otherwise know as the Religious Liberty League:

I personally view FZ and indies as the same breed of cat.
They are not inclined to be supportive of CO$. I've known most of them
for some time.

http://religiouslibertyleague.org/mission-statement/

I might note, there are very few posters on Marty's blog these days as opposed from the past. What's up with that?

Well I personally don't like the direction Marty is going.
Maybe others feel the same.

The freezone still believe in clear/ot, so does RLL.

COB posting on Marty's blog has lots of lawyers at his disposal.

What's interesting about Marty's recent video snips, is he never mentions ESMB, OCMB, ex scientology kids blogs or message boards. What say you Marty?

:confused2:

 

[Terril park]

Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

Did you happen to ask her if she wished it was her that posted it?

No, I feel that would have been insulting. She did not say she
wished she had posted it.

 

[Terril park]

Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

Another question. Did you happen to ask her why she hasn't posted at Marty's, on any of the new videos?

No I didn't.

 

[George Layton]

Re: Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

No, I feel that would have been insulting. She did not say she
wished she had posted it.

Insulting? Do you have a clue what she posts over there Terril?


George Layton | February 5, 2017 at 9:29 am | Reply I believe you might be stuck in a Tony incident.

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  The Oracle | February 5, 2017 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  Why? Because someone else bought his name up here with a question and I answered it? Are you apprenticing at gaslighting now too?
  
  
  
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  The Oracle | February 5, 2017 at 4:42 pm | Reply
  I believe you may be stuck in a purpose to set other people up for losses.
  “Best case scenario: Trump loses and Clinton goes to prison.” George Layton
  But I do not devalue your relevance in the game.
  
  
  
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  The Oracle | February 5, 2017 at 4:57 pm | Reply
  All the while Ortega has been targeting women and children, political power has been restored to the Church of Scientology. Because his prime targets, pulled a Trump card. It’s relevant news but I haven’t seen him mention it on his blog. He sat at his desk and herded the anti Scn community right up their executioner.
  http://tonyortega.org/2016/11/01/hi...iges-appeals-lawyer-for-the-us-supreme-court/
  http://tonyortega.org/2017/01/23/sc...-the-new-presdent-but-where-does-trump-stand/
  http://www.salon.com/2017/02/03/tru...ign-finance-loophole-for-churches-to-exploit/
  “Trump said, “You know we have a great time considering the subject matter is no good. Right? But when we say—look at all those hats, right?—”Make America Great Again.” When we say that—you know somebody, a reporter—by the way the world’s most dishonest people are back there. Look at all the cameras going. Look at all those cameras. It’s unbelievable. They are dishonest. Most of them. Not all of them. But Most of them.” ”
  I don’t know, maybe this isn’t newsworthy at the U.B.
  
  
  
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    The Oracle | February 5, 2017 at 4:58 pm | Reply
    How would you even title the story? “A mother’s gotta do what a mother’s gotta do” ?
    
    
    
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      The Oracle | February 5, 2017 at 5:02 pm | Reply
      Even in his headlines. “Scientology wastes no time making a move…” He implies this is the first time Trish Duggan has crossed paths with Trump.
      Seriously? At the same time a kazillion photos of the Duggans at political events?
      Seeing is not believing ……….. “Alternative facts” is the new way.
      
      
      
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      The Oracle | February 5, 2017 at 5:10 pm | Reply
      The topic of the thread is “Information anarchy relief”.
      
      
      
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      The Oracle | February 5, 2017 at 8:20 pm | Reply
      The “Duggan Children Massacre” was not the ASC’s finest moment.
      
      
      
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  Richard | February 6, 2017 at 11:34 am | Reply
  George Layton – Funny! No f/n forthcoming
  
  
  
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  The Oracle | February 17, 2017 at 3:57 am | Reply
  But for the record I am not “stuck” in a “Tony incident”. He has been pimped by Karen since he left the Village Voice. He’s just a projection. No one is going to sue him so he is propped up as illusion. Some of the articles on his blog are copied verbatim from Karen. He works for Karen and Jeffrey. It’s his motivator flow for his time pimping and sex slave trafficking through Backpage. His career is ruined. He looks like the Donald Trump of the Anti Scientology Community. Pathetic.
  I think there is every possibility since she swooped in on Ray Jeffries’ lines before he went so splewy on the Rathbuns they had to disconnect from him, she may have been instrumental in blowing Monique’s law suit out of the water. Because she motivated like crazy with the witch hunt through the Underground Bunker on Monique. With Ray Jeffries parked under her chair. All the while accusing the Rathbun’s of treason and dirty dealing.
  
  
  
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    The Oracle | February 17, 2017 at 5:41 am | Reply
    And I want to say this. I will never apologize for not accepting wrong whos, wrong whys, and wrong items and living with them. I am not a victim. I am not on a motivator flow. That is a wrong item for me. I have a right for right whos, right items, and right whys.
    I am not setting Karen or anyone else up for a witch hunt or a “comm ev” kangaroo court.
    There are some dynamic flowing through this entire theater that do not belong in the “justice” category. Although there are few particles that need to make things right with me where I have been violated through sadistic pleasure. Because like I said, I am not on a motivator flow.
    Neither do I care to get sucked into some else’s.
    You can hate an act and not the being.
    The worst fucking wrong indication in the Scientology culture, and why it has become so anti symbiotic and treasonous, is that sympathy is “low toned”. Sympathy is the result of an ability and perception. It is the ability to extend yourself into someone else’s space and live what they are living and feel what they are feeling. To BE them.
    Along with feeling their loss, pain and suffering, comes the reward of feeling their victory, pleasure, joy and happiness.
    Sympathy is the result of an ability, just like happiness is when you extend yourself and feel another person’s joy.
    Some people who do not have this ability or these perceptions can do things and seem evil when they are just standing with a handicap. Consequences in others are not felt so they are just not in another person’s vision. If they could feel the effects they create in others, they would be different people.
    Sometimes this even gives them an added advantage in life. It is not always easy when you can move into the people in front of you and be them. It can range from agony to ecstasy. And everything in between. But in those times they are you and you are them.
    This is not low toned. And it can not be only low toned when you feel their pain.
    I am not in an enemy condition to wards Karen, Ortega, Jeff, Emma, or any of the others. But I have right to reject wrong items, wrong whos, wrong indications, not just for myself, but for other people too. Because I can extend myself and feel the misery and confusion this creates upon the general community around.
    I wish more than anyone, we could all just pay down our swords and leave one another with some pleasant memories from this life and this theater.
    But this is not possible when some people are programmed to set other people up for losses and even they can not rise above it. It does not mean they are bad. They just accumulate bad memories to carry forward with them. It is a self punishing thing in terms of eternity. And it does not contribute to their happiness to throw gasoline on their fires. It does not help them one bit. You enable the condition they are stuck in.
    I have a right not to be misunderstood, not misrepresented, and not look ignorant because I had items enforced on me that were wrong items.
    I have a right to care about other people and take care of them. I have a right to say something about injustice and not contribute to it. I do not have to be in an enemy condition to know my rights. And know and understand the rights of others.
    I have handicaps of my own that I was born with. Hyperactivity hyperthyroid not sleeping like other people do not keeping the same schedule multi tasking as insane speeds that effect my communications with others, not being able to “slow down”. Working several jobs at once with several different voices, not tolerating stillness, to the point where I am wholly out of time as it exists for other people.
    I am not claiming I am super able as others are to be “in harmony”. I am dysfunctional in many way. Selective photographic memory that is there and not there. I am very dysfunctional myself and was diagnosed as a “savant” when I was four years old.
    I am only not anti symbiotic.
    We are all gifted. We are all handicapped.
    I only know we all do not need to be punished any more. To hate anymore. To harm attack and suppress anymore.
    We all deserve to the freedom to label items correctly the right who, the right why, the right source, the right item. Maybe it is part of my own sickness that I have to organize these things in correct order. Like mentally extra ordinary people that have to organize colors and spoons. My closet is organized by texture, fabric and color. But, I am good at helping others find their right items because I can travel across distances and feel them and see what they are seeing.
    It has disturbed me in the past when I see someone being given a wrong item, a wrong why or a wrong who, from caring about that person I try to fix it.
    I am beginning to understand that other people sometimes actually prefer to have wrong items, wrong whos, and wrong whys. And leave it alone. I don’t understand it. That’s my bad.
    In this conversation, my purpose is to explain why this item, “You are stuck in a Tony incident”, is not my item. It is your item about me.
    It is not my item to make this post one for justice. Because if I ever laid all that I know in this theater, all hell would break lose.
    I am aware of who makes the shoops, who makes the blogs, who makes the posts, who makes the cartoons, who writes the posts. Who creates the conflict. Who is getting paid by who. And who is re stimulating who and why. And what the invisible exchanges and currency is. And why.
    I was doing college level math in fourth grade.
    And the reason I tend to sit at Marty’s table in this theater is this simple. He does not issue wrong whos, wrong whys, wrong items. In fact he is usually way ahead of me with the math.
    He is not an evil man. He is not cunning and manipulative. I have a photographic memory and his words today are in alignment with what his words were always. He is always the same being. He is sincere. The math is always the same with him. The cards are always on the table as well as they can be with the trusts he carries. What you see is what you get. And he has the ability to extend himself and have mercy.
    He has a son. He has a wife. People have managed to sow burdens onto those through all sorts of malicious fair gaming.
    It would be great if those of you who contributed to that, could place yourself back in the identity of a child, and remove some the slander that has been propped up for his family and son to deal with.
    In between the protests of abuse, that would be just a great start.
    “Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending”. Marcus Aurelius
    
    
    

 

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[video]https://youtu.be/fH5iAFnzkCE[/video]

I'm doing a second post on Pt. 11, because Marty's review on Leah's segment about Paulette Cooper is an especially nutty ramble. He characterizes the episode as being a "mutual stroke fest" over "stuff" that went on, and it was stuff they were "tasked with abolishing," and that got "settled." No mention of what this stuff was.

Or, rather, he insinuates that Paulette's settlement was the result of an old story where Paulette Cooper "had a beef with Scientology and settled it." See folks? Cooper had a beef with Scientology and settled it. That's the whole story. Nothing to see here. Move on.

He doesn't mention the most basic things like Paulette Cooper wrote a book, or that Scientology framed her for making a bomb threat she didn't make. That's all part of the "stuff" that went on which is not worth mentioning, because it happened years ago.

Here are Marty's own words in Pt. 11, and the segments I'm leaving out do not clarify any of this:

The stuff she alleged, we were young men when we first got involved in handling this stuff. We were dealing with activities that we were tasked with abolishing, and did, at that time. And he's (Rinder) saying 37, 35 years later, "They will do this." And so it's this mutual stroke fest, this series which is degenerating progressively more and more into. So they're stroking Cooper for all this stuff she would settle satisfactorily 35 years ago, and acting as if Scientology will do those things now, right? With no predicate or basis.

It's this mutual stroke fest which is a creation on top of a creation. They're creating Paulette Cooper into something that exists in the present, and she's creating them as serving some useful purpose, and it's all just a creation of their imaginations.

Although he's getting caught up in his own jumble of words, Marty sounds like he said Paulette Cooper doesn't exist in the present. He is trying to deny that Paulette was followed and monitored by the cult years after she received a settlement, and with that he's suggesting the cult would never have anyone followed today, although he doesn't come out and say that. He just thinks his jumble of words will lead listeners to that conclusion.

Does Pat Broeker exist only in the past? Is Shelly Miscavige only in the past? How about L. Ron Hubbard, he in the past too, therefore not worth bringing up?

If Marty ever rambled this incomprehensibly when he was making an appearance on TV, being critical of either Miscavige or Hubbard, it was edited out.

I suppose that an analog for this series by Marty is the PR videos put out by Scientology where Scientologists enthuse about things, and often say total nonsense like, "I didn't know, but now I know." It's not about the content which matters, but you're supposed to catch the wave of enthusiasm and want to take that course or level to have your mind blown.

So the viewer of Marty's series is supposed to ride Marty's wave of critical thinking and knowingness concerning the critics of Scientology, which is bizarre because the cult has said he's a lunatic, which is backed up in part by this nonsensical ramble.

But I think it is an act. Marty is not imparting any "data." He's conveying a feeling and establishing a position. He is no longer a person who is going to criticize Scientology, Hubbard, or Miscavige, nor is he going to reflect critically on his own evolution or something as basic as what caused this shift in his thinking.

Outstanding post!

We should engrave that post on a titanium disc and bury it in a mountain fortress, in order to preserve for posterity its value as a desperately dear de-encryption decipherment of demented double-talk!

In that way, hundreds of thousands of years from now (after the Apocalypse), caved-in cave men aimlessly wandering about will hopefully find the sacred time capsule--and thus mercifully put an end to their downtone and degraded dianetic disorientation by finally discovering:"WTF was Rathbun even talking about?!"

HELPFUL TIP FOR MARTY RATHBUN: Double-talk is not something you should be proudly grinning about. It's not the same thing as being an upstat by reason of producing twice as much.