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Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2

TheOriginalBigBlue

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HelluvaHoax! said:
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Unless I am mistaken, there is tech on the advanced levels where Ron talks about that.

It's in the NOTS materials of handling BTs so that they leave. Ron's research discovered that some BTs are resistive and don't immediately take off after being run on WHO ARE YOU?/WHAT ARE YOU?. Or, they do take off but they only go a certain distance away and then "hang up"--still connected by some kind of etherial string or line. Ron called this BT phenomenon "HALF BLOWs".

Remarkably, even LRH himself was subject to this MEST mechanism, as seen when (like seemingly "gone" BTs who were actually lurking some distance away, just out of sight) Ron pretended he was no longer managing and profiting from Scientology, whilst hiding out on ships or inside a traveling BlueBird motorhome. Fortunately for the Commodore, the process servers and federal agencies did not know the "THETAN HAND" TECHNIQUE of how to remedy a "Half Blown" planetary savior.

Well, you may think I am rambling, but I assure you this all relates to "Half-Blown" Scientologists who travel out some distance away from the cult's home planet, but still remain within its gravitational orbit. They did try to blow, but--well--they didn't. They're still Scientologists at some profound level of trust, faith and belief. Recall when Rathbun blew, he merely became a re-branded fanatical KSW-breathing planet clearer; ergo, his "ODE TO L. RON HUBBARD" which caused ex-Scientologists around the world to (immediately after reading it) to sit frozen at their computers, slack-jawed, blankly staring at nothing--while the dimly disoriented thought kept playing their mind: "You.have.got.to.be.fuck.ing.kid.ding.me".





I have always maintained that Indies are simply HALF-BLOWN Scientologists. That's why I always insist on standardly running them on the ENTHETAN HAND TECHNIQUE otherwise known as Joking & Degrading.
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LOL ...with emphasis! :spitcoffee:
 
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Boson Wog Stark said:
When Miscavige started going at him with the film crew and Squirrel Busters, house across the street with a crew watching him, Marty could probably envision that going on for the rest of his life, unless he found a way to put a stop to it. He would never be free of it, unless he had the opportunity to strike a private deal with Miscavige, which would allow Miscavige and Scientology to not lose any face, be humiliated.

So the difference between these theories is #2 has Marty being more human, driven by criticism and the relentless pursuit by Miscavige which he just did not want to live with for the rest of his life. Even if Mosey's case had gone to court and they'd won a huge settlement, he felt that Miscavige would pursue him relentlessly for the rest of his life. And so it is #2 which I think is closer to the truth, although it could also be a blend of both theories.
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I'm going with #2 being more likely. How old is Marty? What assets does Marty have? It's unlikely he has a 401K. Social Security won't pay much.

Marty would be looking at a poor and miserable old age, unless he got some $$$ from somewhere.
 
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arcxcauseblows

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Yeah I watched a few hoping for something entertaining or insightful but they're just plain boring

It's not Marty talking it's Marty reading an insane script written by miscavige I have no clue how anyone can stand working with miscavige
 
TheOriginalBigBlue

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Pierrot said:
Many scenarios possible, indeed - my gut feeling balances between intentional infiltration from the beggining (that was the impression when he arrived on stage years ago, till he did prove the contrary. He didn't). If so, a very nice move as that also dead agents any church defector from there on, someone might think.

Or simply Marty's usual knee jerk stimulus response reaction to defeat any perceived opposition, displayed on his blog and displayed while he was in the church early 80s when the new regime took on.

Perhaps a mix of both then - the fact of spoon feeding others what to think, telling what flaws of others are, what destructive acts committed by others are (which are usually but a mirror reflection of one's own character, the person describing it unable to perceive anything else), and other such niceties like telling what supposed evil intentions other have - all that is part of that culture during those years.

That's theories, and there is some fun observing it as a spectator on one's free time, how it all unravels ...

I guess the church doesn't realise the potential damage Marty's videos are doing now and are going to do against the subject of Scientology and the church in the future. It's not only Marty's embarrassing body language in his videos that gives away ALL about what's going on. If they did understand (and they would need to understand public relations, society, manners, ethnics, ...) they would pay Marty millions to stop talking about Scientology, stop posting his debrief on the net, ... - and destroy what's left of the reputation of the church and Scientology completely.

(sigh...)

LOL
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Yayess, the law of unintended consequences strikes again.

Scientologists get themselves so contorted overthinking everything that they inevitably screw the pooch for whatever the hell it was that they originally wanted to do and get themselves backed further into a corner of their own making.

It doesn't matter who or why this is being done. I think it leaves people with a very negative impression of what Scientology does to a person's ability to interact with society.
 
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"Subjected to sea org captivity..."

CAPTIVITY

Does not correlate to free to leave at any time.

Calling a blog post "enforced infanticide" either means newborn babies are being murdered or unwilling abortions taking place.

Or do these rules don't apply to the Headleys?
 
TheOriginalBigBlue

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Jenyfurrr said:
I've only posted here once or twice but am a regular at the Bunker. Quite a few of us found that Sec Check comment interesting - the hyperfocus on Going Clear as it relates to these charming videos RATbun has been putting out there. Really does seem like a witch-hunt!

I was glad Jeff Hawkins responded and Karen posted it. I've got a family member who struggles with mental illness (psychotic episodes w/possible bi-polar) and that person is the only other person I've encountered in life that flip flops like this or will take something SO out of context "he hammered at my face" and turn it into a huge fixation, dramatized to completely change the focus of what's been said. His videos are actually uncomfortable to watch at times because that behavior hits so close to home for me!

I'm so sorry for all the great people he's throwing under the bus right now. It's truly disgusting regardless of his reasons! (Though for the record, I'm of the opinion CO$ got to him & is helping produce these vids in some fashion!)

Anyway - hello all - I've been lurking & learning here for ages and have had this thread up on my phone since it started! :)
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Nice to see you over here!

I love the Bunker's comments section and know some posters there personally. I have to restrain myself from cross posting over here more often, especially some of the most excellent shoops. Wish comments were more easy to search and navigate though.

The discussion you were having also mentioned how crew were being publicly shamed by listing them for transgressions in the staff tech services area. This wasn't done when I was in the SO. My first thought was whether this was being done in a public area but apparently not...yet. Still, it is not possible to keep all public out of all areas generally used by staff and all staff are not old crusty vets who are so indoctrinated that this isn't perceived as an "out point". My second thought was that this is probably a phenomena of so many 2nd and 3rd generation Scios on staff and somebody needs to do an updated SO version of Lord of the Flies.
 
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Re: Marty's attack-the-critic series

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arcxcauseblows said:
I just hope he's getting paid enough to buy some counseling it has to hurt deep to have to write yourself into the history books as a useless miscavige sock puppet

He harassed people in scientologist got harassed back out of scientology tried to sue scientology for it now he's harassing again

This is batshit crazy and it just goes to show the world that's what Scientology does in the end

Hubbard died batshit crazy hiding and believing body thetans were still haunting him

Miscavige is even more batshit crazy trying to be a tiny tough guy

Marty has gone full retard

You have to expect things like this, there's no logical explanation for batshit crazy it is what it is

Gives you a glimpse into miscaviges mind

He's writing these ocd scripts and you can hear the desperation as he tries to convince himself that he's not crazy and everyone else are bad guys

It's just endless ad hominem and logical fallacy

Nobody is watching the videos they're just part of the endless series of disgusting freedom mag videos that only serve to prove how sick Scientology is.

It's like the last whisper of a dying breed of imbeciles living inside a tiny delusion bubble

The belief system is so fragile it's like the spoiled toddler at recess screaming bloody murder when someone else gets to play with the ball, sorry child I guess life's just not fair the world is moving on and nobody cares about your fits
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:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

Great news! You have been awarded 10,000 admiration particles for such a superbly satisfying simile!

Whilst loving & laughing at that line, I momentarily paused, sobered by the slightly disturbing realization that back in the day--when I was an e-meter operator--if I had heard a pc in session natter like that, I would have asked them a missed-withhold question such as: "What has Scientology nearly found out?"

Then I resumed laughing, upon realizing that the actual answer to that question is: "That Scientology is like the last whisper of a dying breed of imbeciles living inside a tiny delusional bubble"

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
 
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"Talk about cash money, dollar bills, why'all"
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[video=youtube;JH79m38ifJQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH79m38ifJQ[/video]
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Some people got to have it
Some people really need it
Listen to me why'all, do things, do things,
do bad things with it
You want to do things, do things, do things,
good things with it
Talk about cash money, money
Talk about cash money, dollar bills, why'all

For the love of money
People will steal from their mother
For the love of money
People will rob their own brother

For the love of money
People can't even walk the street
Because they never know who in the
world they're gonna beat
For that lean, mean, mean green
Almighty dollar, money
. . . . . . . . ~
I know money is the root of all evil
Do funny things to some people
Give me a nickel, brother can you spare a dime
Money can drive some people out of their minds


Poignant lyrics . . . :whistling:
 
George Layton

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It wasn’t until “Leah Remini and her Troublemakers, Part 15”, that I realized what it was all about.
It started a while back. Marty created the acronym ASC, claiming it was a gang, full of Loathing, anger and intolerance to anything Marty said or did. This generated a lot of attention and response to “Moving On Up A Little Higher.” But the response just wasn’t quite right form those inflicted with the ASC label. Marty tried different approaches to this but still hadn’t got folks to respond as an ASCer should. If only there was some way to drive those labeled ASC to a loathing response. Then it hit him like a ton of brick shaped objects. A series of diabolically, degrading, demeaning, degenerating and disgusting videos. Then Marty could say, “See look how I’m being talked about by these people.”
Marty’s ASC. Acquiring Self-inflicted Criticism.
 
George Layton

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HelluvaHoax! said:
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I like theories about what Rathbun's maniacal meltdown is really all about.

I like your theories. I like others' theories, I even sometimes like my own theories.

But I am never fully satisfied that any of them is sufficiently surreal, bizarre and/or get-the-fuck-outta-here-weird enough to match the rest of the 20th century's biggest religious hoax. I mean, this is Scientology we're talking about. If one didn't know much about the cult--they could very likely NEVER BE ABLE TO GUESS about things as unpredictably freaky as what Scientology actually was. Think Xenu. Think multi-billion dollar uniformed paramilitary cult on ships with hot-pants wearing teen age girls holding up ashtrays for a planetary messiah that gets drunk nightly and tells his billion year slaves wondrous stories of how he is really Buddha and the dangerous trip he took to Venus where he was nearly run over by a freight locomotive.

That's what I'm lookin' for! Drop-dead-mind-numbingly-corny-cult-crazy-creepyology! LOL

I have this nagging feeling that the denouement of this entire ludicrous hoax with Rathbun is going to eventually come out and it's going to be so unpredictably freaky that everyone will kind of sit back in a euphoric daze, mumbling to themselves: "Yeahhhhh, I guess it would have to be something totally and unimaginably insane like that--because it's Scientology!" LOL

I have no theories to offer today. But I can manufacture one for the sake of example. It might be something like:
A multi-billion dollar Russian oligarch who is a dedicated devoté of "Ron's Org" approached (via backchannels) Rathbun with a proposition. Dump the lawsuit vs. the COS and dedicate his full time efforts to being the spiritual, technical and executive head of a new planet-clearing organization, Ron's Way International. They even have their own theme music ( sung by a Russian Sinatra impersonator) with "I did it Ronnnnnnnnnnnn's Way" lyrics.

Yeah, so the deal is that he offers Comrade Rathbun $50M to get this thing up and running, $20M of which is distributed (tax free) to Rathbun personally; the balance of $30M to be discretionary funds which Marty can use any way he sees fit--in order to boom Ron's Way Int'l.

But, the deal also includes a series of videos which dead agents all of the previous dead-agenting that Marty did vs. the tech, Ron and Scientology. Maybe a couple days of filming, but then a lifetime of lavishness and power and prestige--with Rathbun finally the Czar of his very own religion. Which is good for him and good for the planet, because he is very, very, very sure that only he knows the ultimate truths about how to save the world. ​

Now that would be kind of a satisfying scenario, in a Scientologically, surrealistically stupid way, wouldn't it? LOL
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Maybe he was just following ron's lead and just made it up as he went.
 
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ILove2Lurk said:
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"Talk about cash money, dollar bills, why'all"
​

[video=youtube;JH79m38ifJQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH79m38ifJQ[/video]
​

Some people got to have it
Some people really need it
Listen to me why'all, do things, do things,
do bad things with it
You want to do things, do things, do things,
good things with it
Talk about cash money, money
Talk about cash money, dollar bills, why'all

For the love of money
People will steal from their mother
For the love of money
People will rob their own brother

For the love of money
People can't even walk the street
Because they never know who in the
world they're gonna beat
For that lean, mean, mean green
Almighty dollar, money
. . . . . . . . ~
I know money is the root of all evil
Do funny things to some people
Give me a nickel, brother can you spare a dime
Money can drive some people out of their minds


Poignant lyrics . . . :whistling:
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"For the Love Of Money"

Nice!

If the members of the O'Jays had joined the Sea Org (along with Isaac Hayes, Peter Schless, Beck and Chick Corea) they could have mercifully replaced the "Apollo Stars" with a new funk band.

The O'Ws.

First release, a cover, standardly re-titled as--

"For the Affinity of Exchange Flows"


Hey people, order now! What's that? You don't even have enough cash left after yesterday's briefing to buy food, let alone a record album? No problem, you need to just "start a flow".

Don't you love Scientology's 100 various euphemisms for: "Hey, give me all your fuckin' money!"

Once Billy Blowdown was cornered in a "briefing" with serious SO members, all zombie focused on getting a donation from him. They wouldn't accept no for an answer. They were so enraged, they bypassed his self-determinism and forced him to "start a flow". Luckily the paramedics got there in time to put tourniquet on it.
 
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arcxcauseblows

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Ok, how about scientology bubble = locker c18?

Only they don't have a watch, or adult entertainment... Or fur... But they do live in a bubble!

Actually c18 is a way better belief system

I spent decades trying to figure out the mystery sandwich...

The end goal of Scientology is everyone joins the sea org or an ot committee, either way live like poor slaves or rich slaves giving everything to the church and acting just like Hubbard, litigious, vendictiv, narcissistic, paranoid and childish trying to quietly dispose of anyone who won't join without sorrow

Like Marty, he's all but dead they got to him somehow... The anvil that all hammers break

Maybe, just maybe he'll be able to get out of this cause I'd love to hear him tell the story behind this puppet show in full honest anger mode! Not holding my breath...

Marty when it's your time, I hope you live a long time, please make us one final video testimony before you die!

I have a feeling he's doing this for his kid and miscavige won't pay out if he speaks out again... But one can hope! All depends on the arrangement and if there's a legal contract which there probably isn't, or... my other guess is he's being paid to make these videos instead of settling the case in which case the lawyers get the bulk, good for you Marty hopefully you worked the system vs got blackmailed!

I'm tired of speculating...

Any scientologists reading this, this is your life!

HIP HIP!

https://youtu.be/oh9rmqvDHTc
 
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Re: Marty's attack-the-critic series

Marty Rathbun posted a video today on Claire and Mark Headley. Claire posted this on facebook group "Outer Banks" so I asked her permission (which she gladly gave) to cross post to ESMB​


Claire Headley‎
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I understand Marc and I are now being slammed in Marty's videos. As was to be expected. As I've said earlier and I will say again, I refuse to listen to Miscavige and Rathbun's lies. I grant them no position to cause me further trauma, emotional abuse and victimization. Nor will I engage with their nasty and evil mind games. They are each creating their own hell, far worse than anything I could ever even imagine or wish for them.

However, I thought it might be interesting to post Marty's own words, in response to his reported statements. He claims he never hit Marc.

Well, here is Marty's own testimony, from an affidavit he filed with the US District Court, Central District of California, Declaration of Mark "Marty" Rathbun Submitted in Support of Plaintiff's opposition to Defendants' Joint Motion for Summary Judgement:

"18. A specific example of how the events of paragraph 17 played themselves out involved a party to the instant cases, Marc Headley. It is only too typical of the daily affairs of an RTC staff member between 1996 and 2004. One day in the late nineties David Miscavige called me into his office. He told me a dramatic tale about how Marc Headley had allegedly trapped a skinny teen-age staff member in a Golden Era Productions costume so that his arms were immobile and proceeded to beat the youngster to a pulp. He demanded that I have one of the young RTC interrogators get a confession from Headley to the effect his alleged assault was intended to be a strike at Miscavige. Miscavige insisted that Headley was out to destroy Miscavige, an allegation he made very regularly toward anyone who did not show him fawning deference at all times. I was further instructed that if Headley doesn't willingly comply with the demand I was to do to Headley what he had allegedly done to the victim of his alleged battery. I was specifically prohibited from independently investigating such matters and any attempt to do so by anyone in RTC was treated as treasonous toward Miscavige. I put Marc in a room with a young interrogator, where Marc was required to hold the electrodes of the emeter. I watched the event surreptitiously through a close-circuit camera system. I whispered instructions to the interrogator through an ear piece she wore while interrogating Marc. Marc expressed incredulity at the allegations and protested that he was being falsely accused. After the interrogator struggled for some time to break Marc down, I burst into the room, grabbed Marc be his shirt and marched him outside. I turned him around and without warning punched him full force in the jaw. I told Marc, "now you are going to come clean." Marc said, "yes, Sir" and proceeded back into the interrogation room. While Marc never confessed to Miscavige's liking, Miscavige gave me a "well done" for having popped Marc in the jaw."

Full affidavit is easily found online.

So who's lying now Marty Rathbun?​
 
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arcxcauseblows

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Re: Marty's attack-the-critic series

That's hilarious!

This just proves miscavige is writing the script

I guess miscavige never watched my Scientology movie?

Cause in that Louis specifically asked Marty on camera how he feels about hitting him and he said it hurt his hand cause Marc is built like a brick

Lololol

Whoops another footbullet!

Might have to upload a quick video of those two played back to back, shoot you could probably do that with half the crap he said

Sounds bites of Marty contradicting himself... Shooting fish in a barrel
 
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