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Memo to self...

Leon, this is really a good tech point and I appreciate your calling it to my attention. Of course, I have seen the data before when I was in C of S but it dropped away and I was not applying it so it is good that you brought it to my attention.

I wanted to make one distinction though. I can withhold information instead of blurting it out much easier than I can fabricate or make up lies as a means of withholding. When I am forced to lie, I am terrible at it. I have all sorts of physcial reactions going on inside, the inflection in my voice changes to an artifcial timbre, I am stiff, stilted, stiffled and unnatural. I just can not do it! Anybody with any perception at all can see that I am lying. If it comes down to having to not tell the truth, I would opt for remaining silent. I do not particularly want to learn to become an effective and skilled liar. I just don't want to do it. I do best by saying something that has some truth in it. For instance, if I was supposed to mail a letter before noon and I forget and mail 2 hours later and the person calls and asks if I remembered to mail it before noon, I will answer that I nearly forgot but fortunately it got mailed and then I try to change the subject. If they really pin me down, I can not say that I mailed it by noon if I did not. Sometimes I throw in some smoke and mirrors and say, the line at the post office was really long but it went out and will be in Chicago tomorrow or something like that.
Lakey

note to self: Remember to play poker with Lakey! :D :blush: LOL!

Actually Lakey, I'm teasing you a little here, but I am very much the same way, a clown face (very expressive, lots of "tells") and not a poker face, in general... makes for good acting ability, and makes me an excellent teacher, especially for English as a Second Language students...I probably would make an excellent sign language interpreter for the same reason...:duh: :D

Unlike you, however, I can be an excellently skilled, fluid and facile liar when properly motivated...or when there is a "good purpose" to be served by so-doing. (It's just acting as if...) In general, I like honesty and openness a great deal more than dissembling, in real life. :)
 
Nose Balloons?

tell more

Maybe in private, o.k.?


BB has shared beer with me. He is a charming companion to spend time yakking with

BB= Buddy Boy? :)

get a small balloon and a solid piece of penne pasta or a long cylindrical bead from a bead store. Insert one end of the bead or pasta into the balloon. insert the other end into one of your nostrils. hold your other nostril closed. blow through the bead and inflate the balloon.

this is a technique we learned over forty years ago from our pediatrician.

it's gross. stuff comes out through your nose. but it is better than taking drugs.

what I do is go belly boarding or body surfing. the salt water, when it crashes over me rams through my nose on wipe outs, cleans the sinuses thoroughly.

O.K., This sounds not only gross but technically difficult, too! :D But I will give it a try...long beads I got, but need to procure some balloons. I have done some "user modification" to my right maxillary sinus which doesn't drain properly anymore by doing an accidental face plant on concrete some years ago, so it's not just my BT's acting up or anything...:D
Thanks, Carmelo, for the advice! :)

I'm going to try my neti pot first, o.k.? Sea salt water in the neti pot is as close to body surfing as I am going to get till it warms up a bit more...:D

As I read Carmelo's words, I had a huge cognition...(a big "ah-ha!" moment for me, for those who don't speak Scientologese) I used to body surf a lot and never had any sinus trouble...soon as it warms up this Spring, Ocean, here I come! :happydance: Kowabunga, dudes! :D
 
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Truthful observation!

I can certainly see your point about serving as a guinea pig. I am so interested in getting to the truth of a matter that I don't mind being a guinea pig. Somehow, I just don't care that much about how others perceive me as long as I feel good about myself. iF I feel good about myself, then if I hang out some dirty laundry for others to see and they ridicule me or make disparaging remarks, I remain very detached and read what they say and see if there is merit in it and if there is, I try and use it to improve. If what they say has no merit, I just let it go and it rolls off my back and does not bother me in the least.
In your case, as you probably know, I feel there is a lot of merit in your critique of this blind spot in my personaltiy and I feel your remarks are well intended and much of what you say makes sense. As I indicate above, I do not agree with you 100% and I state why. Your comments in no way offend me or lower my affinity for you. Each person plays the cards they are dealt to some degree. In this lifetime, I set a goal to learn some of the answers to life. In this I have succeeded far far more than I ever thought possible. Finding Scientology was a big step in me acquiring my knowledge and now, the one year in ex Scientology has led to more wisdom than the over 30 years involved in Scientology. I always knew I had a talent for writing and I have proven it here on ESMB and that has made me feel good about myself. Also, some of the people who I have met and befriended me have made me feel good about myself. I will correct the problem of being too honest and I count you as one of the ones who have helped me most in this critical area and I thank you for what you have done in this regard.
Lakey

Lakey, I do know you well enough in real life to be able to hold up a mirror, so to speak, and say that yes, this is a very accurate self-observation. You have a very great capacity there (for accurate self-observation), which I admire, and am trying to learn to do better myself! :) In some ways, you are VERY self-aware...Thanks for being such a good role model for me there, and for teaching by example! :happydance:
 
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lkwdblds

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Sweetness, please critique me as well as praise me.

Lakey, I do know you well enough in real life to be able to hold up a mirror, so to speak, and say that yes, this is a very accurate self-observation. You have a very great capacity there, which I admire, and am trying to learn to do better myself! :) In some ways, you are VERY self-aware...Thanks for being such a good role model for me there, and for teaching by example! :happydance:

Sweetness, I was counting on you for some positve reinforcement after the beating I have been taking after purposely opening myself up to the being too honest analysis. Thank you so much for your kind words. Let me be candid with you, to really be a good friend, give me some "tough love", I mean give me a constructive criticism not just reinforcement. I know how sincere you are and well meaning so when you criticize it will be an honest, unbiased critique. On the too honest question do you consider it a case phenomena which needs to be audited out or a lack of skills which needs to be trained in or a combination of both.

Also, do you think a guy who is too honest is equally culpable to the one who unscrupoulously tried to destroy him businesswise? I would really like to get your honest take on these questions. Also, if you see an area where I need to improve, you can mention it here or PM me. You know I would rather get the news here because we are approaching 40,000 views and I want to keep my stats in affluence, but if the meesage is too personal for the Board, a PM would be okay.

Glad to here you are getting better!
Lakey
 
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so for all that truthfulness on your part, she says that you often lied. Someone isn't be very straight with themselves.
Carmelo, you want to have your cake and eat it too. All through your reply, you take me at my word that I tell only the truth and you slam me for it. Then when my wife says that I lie all the time then you seem to assume that she is telling the truth and I am lying.

If I have lied a lot to her then it would show me to be a liar and my premise of never lying would have to be thrown out and all your comments to me about how my honesty is a case phenomena whould all have to be revised. You can't slam me for being truthful and then take my wife's side when she say I lied to her all the time. Its got to be one way or the other

I didn't accuse you of lying. Read my words. I did not say who the someone was. I didn't and don't even presume to know the answer to the implied question.

It is an obvious statement that __someone__ is not straight on the subject.
 

lkwdblds

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A thanks to Blue Spirit for really helping me out!

Blue Spirit started a very interesting thread recently called the Sabotage of Scientology I've been posting a lot over there and have had some wins. I even PMed with a fine you man named Yon 8008 who struck me as a clear thinker who was wise beyond his years and who seemed to think similar to me about his overall position on the board. Win number one is we have already spoke by phone and he comes to L.A. from his home in the East twice a year and is coming in about June. He has a wife and 2 kids and I believe he will bring them. Anyway, if we are still doing the coffee Klatches, he wants to come and if not, I will meet with him and his family solo.

The other big win which I got from Blue's thread is that I got a 34 year old question answered by, of all people, Leon who now posts here regularly. When I did OT III in 1976 I had a very unusual end phenomena to that level which I never understood. The tech people such as the D of P at AOLA would not tell me anything and it was out Ethics to discuss it with anyone else. I have carried this mystery around for 34 years. I did talk about it with one friend on this thread not too long ago but did not get my question answered. Other than that I never mentioned it to anyone in 34 years. Well Leon started posting there and he knew the answer to my question and told me what had happened. It indicates perfectly and I am sure he is accurate.

So thanks to Blue Spirit for starting the thread and Leon for posting on it. Also, Veda deserves an assist in a back handed sort of way. He kept asserting something that made no sense to me and I kept pushing and pushing very persistently until I could fully understand what he was talking about. It was my stubborn determination not to let something go until I understood it fully, which was going on between Veda and I, which led to Leon coming in on a different type of post and revealing the answer to my 34 year old mystery. I must have dropoped several dials of TA when I read Leon's answer. I never thought I would get that question answered in this lifetime and if it didn't get answered in this lifetime it probably would have remained with me for the next trillenia. What is it that Archimedes said while sitting in a bath tub and figuring out the prinicple of something displacing its own mass when immersed in water......".Eureka, I have found it!!!"
Thank you Blue Spirit, Thank you Leon, Thank you Veda!
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

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Fair Enough

I didn't accuse you of lying. Read my words. I did not say who the someone was. I didn't and don't even presume to know the answer to the implied question.

It is an obvious statement that __someone__ is not straight on the subject.

Fair enough. These are delicate matters and I want to take pains to eliminate misunderstandings. You did not specify which one of us was lying, my wife or I. I made an assumption and I was in error. Thanks for pointing clearing this up for me.
Lakey
 
Red, White and Blue! I get it! :D Cutie Pie, kid, Carmelo! :happydance:

I had never thought of the red, white, and blue angle. Very good spotting.

That year our whole family had traveled across the country in a family room on Amtrak for our summer vacation. We hit Chicago, Washington, D.C., Ohio, watched huge steel furnaces at night in Indiana as we passed through, the Big Sky as we passed through, Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco, Then back to LA.
 
Fair enough. These are delicate matters and I want to take pains to eliminate misunderstandings. You did not specify which one of us was lying, my wife or I. I made an assumption and I was in error. Thanks for pointing clearing this up for me.
Lakey

I'm not saying anyone is lying.

Studies have confirmed over and over again that if 5 people witness something, there are five different stories.

Perceptions can be different with no blame.
 
Blue Spirit started a very interesting thread recently called the Sabotage of Scientology I've been posting a lot over there and have had some wins. I even PMed with a fine you man named Yon 8008 who struck me as a clear thinker who was wise beyond his years and who seemed to think similar to me about his overall position on the board. Win number one is we have already spoke by phone and he comes to L.A. from his home in the East twice a year and is coming in about June. He has a wife and 2 kids and I believe he will bring them. Anyway, if we are still doing the coffee Klatches, he wants to come and if not, I will meet with him and his family solo.

The other big win which I got from Blue's thread is that I got a 34 year old question answered by, of all people, Leon who now posts here regularly. When I did OT III in 1976 I had a very unusual end phenomena to that level which I never understood. The tech people such as the D of P at AOLA would not tell me anything and it was out Ethics to discuss it with anyone else. I have carried this mystery around for 34 years. I did talk about it with one friend on this thread not too long ago but did not get my question answered. Other than that I never mentioned it to anyone in 34 years. Well Leon started posting there and he knew the answer to my question and told me what had happened. It indicates perfectly and I am sure he is accurate.

So thanks to Blue Spirit for starting the thread and Leon for posting on it. Also, Veda deserves an assist in a back handed sort of way. He kept asserting something that made no sense to me and I kept pushing and pushing very persistently until I could fully understand what he was talking about. It was my stubborn determination not to let something go until I understood it fully, which was going on between Veda and I, which led to Leon coming in on a different type of post and revealing the answer to my 34 year old mystery. I must have dropoped several dials of TA when I read Leon's answer. I never thought I would get that question answered in this lifetime and if it didn't get answered in this lifetime it probably would have remained with me for the next trillenia. What is it that Archimedes said while sitting in a bath tub and figuring out the prinicple of something displacing its own mass when immersed in water......".Eureka, I have found it!!!"
Thank you Blue Spirit, Thank you Leon, Thank you Veda!
Lakey

So, what was it?
 
Where is Luca Brasi when we need him?

Because of your identity, you can't even perceive the effects of your communications.

This is not true at all, of course I can perceive the potential effect of my communications. This statement is too broad and sweeping, I do not feel you know me well enough to make this judgement evaluation.

In the 70s and 80s I had two friends, Eli and Clay. They were married. Eli did call in radio talk shows where she espoused the benefits of Scientology, and debated the heathen SPs. After awhile she became cognizant of the abuses of Scientology. Clay was running a mission and could not hear and understand what Eli was trying to say to him. What she had to say never penetrated his understanding.

Then Clay and his senior, Kingsley got dragged off to Flag for umptyzillion hours of Sec Checking. When they got back to their mission, in short order it was taken from them, and all the money they had in savings $100K was seized by the Finance Police. They were declared. A friend gave Clay some auditing. I gave him a job. Finally he realized (much too late) what Eli had been trying to tell him.

His identity of Mr. Super duper Scio wouldn't let him see what was in front of all of our eyes.



The internet happens. Anything posted, even when deleted can sometimes be retrieved.

You post names including a peculiar spelling that is accurate. Lo and behold, Johnny's godfather's associates' children can now find some more family because you, Lakey, went to the trouble of spelling the names and relationships out. Google doesn't forget and it knows all.

The above story may or may not be true. The names may have been changed to protect the innocent.

If you did something like the above, with your truth telling identity, could you have perceived the potential effects of your communication? Even if you were warned specifically about the potential problem?

My statement quoted above stands.
 
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thetanic

Gold Meritorious Patron
As I read Carmelo's words, I had a huge cognition...(a big "ah-ha!" moment for me, for those who don't speak Scientologese) I used to body surf a lot and never had any sinus trouble...soon as it warms up this Spring, Ocean, here I come! :happydance: Kowabunga, dudes! :D

You know, I had much less trouble with my sinuses before Scn, and I was surfing back then.

Doh!

Gotta wait until the beaches are open again, sigh. (Darn earthquake in Chile has closed our beaches.)
 

hbeer

Patron with Honors
My God, how could your parents have failed so badly? Look at you, you are a very accomplished person with great insights and skills. I assume they had something to do with your opera training as well or did you do this after you left them? If they had really failed, it seems to me you would not be the exemplary person whom you are today. Do they get any credit at all or did you achieve your knowledge and status entirely on your own or worse yet in spite of them?


Hi Lakey,


thank you very much for your positive words! I must tell you that I learned very much from them - how to NOT do things. I came with a natural knowingness into this family, and found the communication wrong, the tone level wrong, physical violence wrong, most everything wrong.

They did some good things too - like keeping the house warm and clean, and feeding us, not well but we were not hungry - or showing us much of the country's culture -, but what I learned, I learned either from their bad example, or entirely on my own.

My opera training came from my great love for the opera that I discovered in an aunt's living room at the age of 14. She played "Fidelio" for me, my very first opera ever, and I knew that this was something I wanted to do. My parents had nothing to do with it, they were folk music people and this is something that drives me up the wall :)




As far as Leon, you and others who want Carmelo as your next Dad. You are making a wise decision but according to him, you will have to wait 60 years before he plans on dying and 25 or so more years before he will be a new parent again.


He better does! He promised me a special event on my 100th birthday!


Instead of waiting 85 years to take action, I came up with an interim solution. Let's all send him a Fathers' Day Card this coming Fathers' Day. Such a card will serve as both as an acknowledgement for the great Father he has been to his current lucky off spring, and a postulate that you both wish to be among his next offspring. I will be happy to sign as well. I am sure Sweetness and Light will also want to participate in such a project once she recovers from her sever sinus attack.
Lakey


Yes, that's a nice project, let's do it! When is Father's Day in the US?



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lkwdblds

Crusader
Please go to Blue Spirit's thread to read it.

So, what was it?

I decided not to post it here. Its an area where what occurred with me is not well thought of in Scn. I put myself up as a guinea pig over there, just to try to get some answers. Now that I have the answers, I have toyed with the idea of deleting my post but have decided to leave it up there. Those who are willing to look are welcome to go over to Blue Spirit's thread. THE SABOTAGE OF SCIENTOLOGY and read it. The related posts were posted yesterday. It should remain as part of the public record because there are probably others in my same boat and they should have access to this data. Leon underwent the same type of handling under different but similar circumstances when he did his OT Levels and he said he got the answer verbally from some high level tech person at his Org but has never seen it in writing by LRH or anyone else.

Our thread is not the right place for that particular series of posts, Blue's thread is a better venue to read about it on .

SOMETHING I LEARNED WHILE PARTICIPATING HEAVILY OF BLUE SPIRIT'S THREAD, "THE SABOTAGE OF SCIENTOLOGY"

The following is my opinion and not fact. Some of the big name and high volume posters on ESMB do not believe that Scio has any slightest merit whatsoever! They believe with iron clad resolve that nobody has ever had a real mental or spiritual gain using Scientology tech; rather those who claim gains have just deluded themselves by not seeing that they have beeen brainwashed. They have pity on these people whom they feel are gullable. Who they really dislkie, actually detest, are former Scientologists who still think portions of Scio tech are valid. They have no love or sympathy for this type of individual and they try and tear them to shreds with personal attacks against them and LRH.

WHAT I OBSERVED OF THESE WELL KNOWN POSTERS Most of the time their posts are very short, just two or three lines. They write in a style that makes them seem very wisened and on some topics their posts make a lot of sense. However, when they get into certain topics such as the workability of Scientology, they insist it has zero workability and is a total scam, and if someone believes otherwise, that perhaps a touch assist or some other piece of tech has helped them, then the wisened experts just go berserk. There is nothing else to call it. Just try mentioning that you gave Joe a set of touch assists in a hospital and something which the doctors said would take 6 months to heal, healed in a week. They will stomp all over that claim hard and will belittle and stomp on you as well.

They have an "Idee Fixe". Nothing in Scientology works at all, nothing and never! That is their mantra and heaven forbid if you believe even one piece of tech actually helped you, they will not tolerate that. If they are forced to accept it, they employ a Service Fac which says that you could have got the same or better data somewhere else for a lot less money and without all the b.s.

I have engaged them a couple of them in debates after they tried to rake me over the coals and I was expecting a tough battle from these seasoned verterans but was surprised to learn otherwise. They do not have good critical thinking skills of the nature of a mathematician or engineer, or of a philosoper or of a great court room type mind. They can not see similarities and differences and do not distinguish between various things which have some similar traits but which are different. They do a lot of A = A type thinking.

I offered a scenario where the Scientology OT levels did not work and enbable people to do remote viewing but the U.S. and Soviet Governments may have percieved that there was a chance they worked. Their reaction to my idea was to overlook it and just do their A = A that the OT levels were worthless. I brought my idea up 3 times and it was always just ignored and I was told the OT levels did not work and were worthless and I was delusional if I believed otherwise.

Anyway, if you want to know what my question was and what went unanswered 34 years, the question and the answer to it are on Blue Spirit's thread, "the Sabotage of Scientology" and the postings were done yesterday Feeb 27 or Feb 28 in Oz time.
Lakey
 
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lkwdblds

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Father's Day

Yes, that's a nice project, let's do it! When is Father's Day in the US?



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Father's day always falls on a Sunday, this year it is June 20th. Thanks for filling us in on you parents and home life. Why the bash on folk songs. German speaking countries have beautiful, "Volk Lieder". Do you know, Phyllis unt die Mutter? a delightful folk song. It starts, "Ihre mutter kam gans leise, tra la la lee, tra la la la, Schlich sich Phyliss in dem garten, tra la la lee.....
In dem dunkeln Myrtenheim, schlieff das lose Maedchen ein.

Beautiful melody, poetic words. Some overcontrolling mother spying on her daughter trying to stop her 2D by pretending to be her boyfriend arriving while the daughter is sleeping amongst a grove of Mytren trees. Please correct the spelling and any mistakes. That is a great folk song.
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
It stands alone in your universe not mine.

In the 70s and 80s I had two friends, Eli and Clay. They were married. Eli did call in radio talk shows where she espoused the benefits of Scientology, and debated the heathen SPs. After awhile she became cognizant of the abuses of Scientology. Clay was running a mission and could not hear and understand what Eli was trying to say to him. What she had to say never penetrated his understanding.

Then Clay and his senior, Kingsley got dragged off to Flag for umptyzillion hours of Sec Checking. When they got back to their mission, in short order it was taken from them, and all the money they had in savings $100K was seized by the Finance Police. They were declared. A friend gave Clay some auditing. I gave him a job. Finally he realized (much too late) what Eli had been trying to tell him.

His identity of Mr. Super duper Scio wouldn't let him see what was in front of all of our eyes.

Let's say there was a singer named Johnny Fontaine. One day his son, Johnny Fontaine, Jr. was kidnapped by rival business associates of his godfather.

Let's say Johnny Fontaine had a brother. His brother had a kid. The kid changed his last name and got married. The kid dies tragically young. The family has money, knowledge, and connections.

The marital partner moves on, and lives a quiet peaceful life.

The internet happens. Anything posted, even when deleted can sometimes be retrieved.

You post names including a peculiar spelling that is accurate. Lo and behold, Johnny's godfather's associates' children can now find some more family because you, Lakey, went to the trouble of spelling the names and relationships out. Google doesn't forget and it knows all.

The above story may or may not be true. The names may have been changed to protect the innocent.

If you did something like the above, with your truth telling identity, could you have perceived the potential effects of your communication? Even if you were warned specifically about the potential problem?

My statement quoted above stands.

Yes, of course I could perceive the potential effects of my communication. If I was warned specifically about the potential problem, then of course my lips would be sealed. You have never met me, heard my voice seen me or talked to me and yet you have all these assumptions about me and have me all figured out as to what auditing actions I need, what my marital situation is all about and so forth. I admit you are a very perceptive being, no problem with that, but I think it is preseumptious to feel you have all the answers about someone you have never met. Just from reading one's posts about Scio related topics, you can not form an accurate picture of a person's pysche.

Heidrun had read my posts for a while and was thinking of coming to Hollywood and wanted to see my image and hear my voice so she requested a Skype type phone call with a video cam and a mike. Isn't it a bit like study tech. If all you see are printed words on a video screen, you lack the mass to really know and understand the subject. So it is, with knowing a person, even spiritually. You need to see them, get some audio, get some visual, experience their emanations and auras as Heidrun and I did with each other. I know you are a terrific tech person from reading what Diana, Class 8 said about you, but even you, even Hubbard, would need to actually come into some form of contact with a person to have them as well doped out as you claim to have me figured out. That is my take on it. I feel honored that you are so interested in critiquing me but without ever having met me or done any interview with me, I believe a few of your conclusions are ungrounded. I have the Skype set up, so if you want a Skype call PM me and let me know and we can exchange numbers and set it up. If that doesn't occur, I will take your assessments of me with a grain of salt.

Great, let your assertion about me stand in your universe. Enjoy it, savor it. Fine. It doesn't stand in my universe. I care not what you think of me in this area. I thnk that if people give me names and say something which appears to be trite information to me and they don't want me to repeat it or post it then a simple R Factor at the time the info is given is in order, especially if the info was given at our first personal meeting.

One person told me he might bring a person to our next luncheon and mentioned that I would enjoy meeting her because she likes opera. He told me her first and last name. I put it on the board that a person with such and such a first name who likes opera may show up up our next luncheon. This person did give me a general Reality Factor that it was a good policy to not reveal anything at all which my alert OSA to who somebody is. Because of what he told me, I deleted the person's last name. If I write something like, Zelda, who loves basketweaving, may attend our next lunch, I am told that OSA can use this to track her down. Okay, it took two or three of these situations before I caught on.

As you so astutely told me when you said that the blabbermouth is equally out ethics to the person who he gives his information to, who uses it to embezzle funds from the blabbermouth. Why is it always just me. You and others gave me information which I thought was harmless or trivial and failed to state, "Be sure not to repeat this." and because of this, I am guilty of big overts because I posted it and you have no liability whasoever. Had I been given a short admonition not to post the data, both of us would have been clean on the cycle.

I am just like everyone else, once I am told to put a lid on things, I will do it. Since I tend to be a bit of a blabbermouth, that is good reason not to tell me things or if you do and you feel they should not be posted, then a short reminder to me not to post them would be wise. Now that I am more seasoned, the need for the R Factors is much less, but occasionally, I might say something which I feel is innocent and someone else feels is a security breach. In such a case, just don't tell me anything or only tell me and give me an admonition not to say anything and eveything is covered.

Since last November when I started posting a lot here, I think I have had 3 complaints from Carmelo, 2 from Mark Baker, and 1 from Purple Haze. if you graphed it, you could see that the number of complaints per volume of posts was always low but it is going lower on a consistent curve and is now near the bottom axis of the graph. I realize that even one breach could cause someone a nightmare if OSA figures out who they are so if there is any doubt at all, just do not mention anything to me if you feel I may blab it. The stat should remain zero from here on out.
Lakey
 
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You know, I had much less trouble with my sinuses before Scn, and I was surfing back then.

Doh!

Gotta wait until the beaches are open again, sigh. (Darn earthquake in Chile has closed our beaches.)

I was there yesterday. Waves were long and good.

A friend had a TV camera crew on his deck on Black Point Road (Honolulu) to film the tsunami.
 
Yes, of course I could perceive the potential effects of my communication. If I was warned specifically about the potential problem, then of course my lips would be sealed. You have never met me, heard my voice seen me or talked to me and yet you have all these assumptions about me and have me all figured out as to what auditing actions I need, what my marital situation is all about and so forth. I admit you are a very perceptive being, no problem with that, but I think it is preseumptious to feel you have all the answers about someone you have never met. Just from reading one's posts about Scio related topics, you can not form an accurate picture of a person's pysche.

Heidrun had read my posts for a while and was thinking of coming to Hollywood and wanted to see my image and hear my voice so she requested a Skype type phone call with a video cam and a mike. Isn't it a bit like study tech. If all you see are printed words on a video screen, you lack the mass to really know and understand the subject. So it is, with knowing a person, even spiritually. You need to see them, get some audio, get some visual, experience their emanations and auras as Heidrun and I did with each other. I know you are a terrific tech person from reading what Diana, Class 8 said about you, but even you, even Hubbard, would need to actually come into some form of contact with a person to have them as well doped out as you claim to have me figured out. That is my take on it. I feel honored that you are so interested in critiquing me but without ever having met me or done any interview with me, I believe a few of your conclusions are ungrounded. I have the Skype set up, so if you want a Skype call PM me and let me know and we can exchange numbers and set it up. If that doesn't occur, I will take your assessments of me with a grain of salt.

Great, let your assertion about me stand in your universe. Enjoy it, savor it. Fine. It doesn't stand in my universe. I care not what you think of me in this area. I thnk that if people give me names and say something which appears to be trite information to me and they don't want me to repeat it or post it then a simple R Factor at the time the info is given is in order, especially if the info was given at our first personal meeting.

One person told me he might bring a person to our next luncheon and mentioned that I would enjoy meeting her because she likes opera. He told me her first and last name. I put it on the board that a person with such and such a first name who likes opera may show up up our next luncheon. This person did give me a general Reality Factor that it was a good policy to not reveal anything at all which my alert OSA to who somebody is. Because of what he told me, I deleted the person's last name. If I write something like, Zelda, who loves basketweaving, may attend our next lunch, I am told that OSA can use this to track her down. Okay, it took two or three of these situations before I caught on.

As you so astutely told me when you said that the blabbermouth is equally out ethics to the person who he gives his information to, who uses it to embezzle funds from the blabbermouth. Why is it always just me. You and others gave me information which I thought was harmless or trivial and failed to state, "Be sure not to repeat this." and because of this, I am guilty of big overts because I posted it and you have no liability whasoever. Had I been given a short admonition not to post the data, both of us would have been clean on the cycle.

I am just like everyone else, once I am told to put a lid on things, I will do it. Since I tend to be a bit of a blabbermouth, that is good reason not to tell me things or if you do and you feel they should not be posted, then a short reminder to me not to post them would be wise. Now that I am more seasoned, the need for the R Factors is much less, but occasionally, I might say something which I feel is innocent and someone else feels is a security breach. In such a case, just don't tell me anything or only tell me and give me an admonition not to say anything and eveything is covered.

Since last November when I started posting a lot here, I think I have had 3 complaints from Carmelo, 2 from Mark Baker, and 1 from Purple Haze. if you graphed it, you could see that the number of complaints per volume of posts was always low but it is going lower on a consistent curve and is now near the bottom axis of the graph. I realize that even one breach could cause someone a nightmare if OSA figures out who they are so if there is any doubt at all, just do not mention anything to me if you feel I may blab it. The stat should remain zero from here on out.
Lakey

Specifically in print on the internet you have put the name or names and relationships that you knew from a long time ago out there with correct spellings. I got the names removed once. I explained to you the risk of putting them on the web. You printed them over and over again.

My conclusion is that like Clay, in my story about Eli and Clay, you can't perceive this area.

It has nothing to do with OSA. OSA only kills people's pets.
 
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I have no idea who your are talking about?

Specifically in print on the internet you have put the name or names and relationships that you knew from a long time ago out there with correct spellings. I got the names removed once. I explained to you the risk of putting them on the web. You printed them over and over again.

My conclusion is that like Clay, in my story about Eli and Clay, you can't perceive this area.

Yes, this conclusion would be warranted if you had called it to my attention the second time it occurred and I refused to act on it. The correct action would have been to erase the second usage of the names, to never use the names again and to apologize to you. Since you did not do this and you say I put the names up over and over since then and you have remained silent and never mentioned this to me in any of the many PM's you have sent me in that time period,then your conclusion is inappropriate.

It has nothing to do with OSA. OSA only kills people's pets.

I haven't the slightest idea who you are talking about. You say I put some names up on the web, you had me delete them explaining the risk of putting them on the web and then I printed them over and over again. Could you please PM me with these names because I have no idea who they are. It doesn't ring a bell with me who those names could be. If you PM me I will delete them off of course and be sure to not mention them again. I should know who they are so that I never mention them again anyway. I really do not have any idea who you are refering to.

I would just say this to you. You have been PMing me on and off continually for the last 5 months or so. Why didn't you say something when I used the names a second time? I am sure that had you done so, I would have quickly erased them and never used them again. That would have been the least I could do. and I guarantee you that I would have done so! Why let me continue doing theses alleged security breaches over the months without saying anything to me and then hit me with this a conclusion that I can not perceive the area so long after the alleged damage has been done over and over and may no longer be able to be mitigated.

I really don't get it. I can see doing it the first time because you comlained to me about something. I can see that I deleted it from a post but I can't understand how you would allow me to get away with doing it a second time and continue doing it over and over repeadtedly and not say something even though you were PMing me on a regular basis and could have easily brought it up in one of your other PM's. Just two days ago you sent me a friendly PM about applying for the job with the EPA which I really appreciated and before that were many other friendly posts about how well the thread was doing and so forth. There seems to be a lack of action on your part for not notifying me the second time it happened and then continuing a stream of friendly PM's all the while letting me commit security breaches, building up the conclusion that I can not perceive a certain area in life and then one day hit me with this accusatory posting which you just made.

I am sorry, I would like to accomodate you but I just don't get it, I don' t know where you are coming from.
Lakey
 
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