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New Independent Scientologist Community Site

I for one, cannot wait to check out this new site!

Why, I'm sure that since it was only miscavige who was responsible for scientology never working then it would only be a matter of time before someone else decided to properly apply the only tech in 73 trillion years to free us all! Lo and behold! Freezone! WOW! Creating OT's too! Well, I'm impressed.:thumbsup:

Imagine! No more obnoxious reges, no more screaming miscariges, no more useless, delusional or plagiarized nonsense for the masses! No more slave RPF's or hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on removing dead alien buggers stuck all over us! Wow - TOTAL FREEDOM and TOTAL CAUSE OVER MEST is once again just around the corner!:happydance:

The only real problem is that that corner has no end to it.:no:

The 'technology' never worked other than to create mindless, impoverished slaves; robots; brainless clams; mental straight jacketed marks brainwashed into becoming fools.:ohmy:

When will it ever end?:nervous:

Sad.It'll end when people can face their own vulnerability and mortality and stop playing "I Got the Truf!" Poor mf's.
 
Damned shame that the hyperbole and ridiculous claims continue. I guess FZers figure that they are abandoning too much if they admit that there was never any single one of them who could make the ashtray levitate.

The ridiculousness of the claims to OT destroy any credibility of any of the methods they promote, which is sad.
 
NO claims here. Nobody is making you listen to it. You could spend your time doing more productive things than misinterpreting a "drill" of all things. Nor were any claims of "OT" abilities made.
 
NO claims here. Nobody is making you listen to it. You could spend your time doing more productive things than misinterpreting a "drill" of all things. Nor were any claims of "OT" abilities made.
I have to agree, anyone who thinks the "ashtray drill" is about getting an ashtray to levitate is badly misinformed as to the actual purpose of the drill.
 
Whether or not the ashtray is supposed to levitate, it is not that easy to claim to understand the true purpose.
Some will say it is to improve the ability to "project intention" or somesuch. Others will say it's to increase the willingness to control other people as a cog in Elly's mindfuck emporium. While that is being done the willingess to be controlled is also strengthened, in the "pc" and the "auditor" at the same time.

The aspect of doing that without thinking of course is very important.
And of course, it's not that no thinking is done, just that Elly has done the thinking that matters and the "pc" and the "auditor" will do best if they do not add any of their own thinking at all.
So it could improve ones ability to project intention, while reinforcing behaviour patterns of subjugating one's will to Elly's demands.
 
From 'Keeping Scientology Working', 7 February, 1965:

"We're not playing some minor game in Scientology. It isn't something cute to do for lack of something better.

"The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman, and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology :unsure::ohmy::yes:

"This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance :spacecraft:. [See 'Implantology'] Remember, this is our first chance in all the endless trillions of years of the past . Don't muff it now because it seems unpleasant or unsocial to do Seven [Hammering out of existence incorrect technology], Eight..."


Just prior to the appearance of 'KSW', was published the piece 'My Philosophy', in which L. Ron Hubbard told Scientologists:

"Blinded with injured optic nerves, and lame with physical injuries to the hip and back, at the end of World War II, I faced an almost nonexistent future. My service record stated: 'This officer has no neurotic or psychotic tendencies whatsoever', but also stated, 'permanently disabled physically'.

"And so there came a further blow. I was abandoned by family and friends :violin: as a supposedly hopeless cripple and probable burden on them for the rest of my days."


And, on 7 March 1965, exactly one month after the appearance of 'KSW' was published 'Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists, the Fair Game Law':

"A Suppressive person or group becomes 'fair game'.

"By Fair Game is meant, without rights for self, possessions or position, and no Scientologist may be brought before a Committee of Evidence or punished for any action taken against a Suppressive Person or group...

"Suppressive acts are defined as actions or omissions undertaken to knowingly suppress, reduce, or impede Scientology or Scientologists.

"Such suppressive acts include public disavowal of Scientology... public statements against Scientology.

"[Suppressive acts also include] 1st degree murder, arson, disintegration of persons or belongings not [emphasis added] guilty of suppressive acts.

"[Suppressive Persons] place themselves beyond any consideration for their feelings :nazi:or well being...

"The homes, property, places, and abodes of persons who have been active in attempting to suppressive Scientology... are all beyond any protection."


And thus began the (post 1965) era of "modern Scientology," in which L. Ron Hubbard began in earnest to apply the basics of this booklet http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg on his own followers.

Strangely enough, some people regard this period as "the good old days," when the 'Scientological Onion' http://exscn.net/content/view/178/105 was robust, and before the final monument building stage of Scientology commenced - per L. Ron Hubbard's confidential instructions - under its current leader David Miscavige. http://deadagenting.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/hubbard-and-miscavige-2.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_w-YWwC1lI

There never was a response to the above post so, if I may, here are a few questions, to be answered or ignored as you please.

Do you use any of the above LRH materials? For example, do you regard 'Keeping Scientology Working' of 1965 as part of the Standard Tech Academy curriculum?

I first walked into the New York Org in 1969, did the Communications course and H.Q.S course in 1970, and first audited - with an e-meter - on the Hubbard Standard Dianetics Course, in 1971. Looking back on it, Scientology was very much a totalist (totalitarian) cult by that time, with previously normal Org staff returning from a stay at the mysterious Flagship (where Ron was) with a proclivity for purple faced rages, and an emphasis on punitive "ethics," with the Academy starting its day with a shout, "What are we going to do today?" answered by "Produce!" and then followed by "Let's see those demo kits move!" - as a giant pie-faced gold-framed photo of Ron loomed overhead.

At the time, I accepted it all as a strange new experience, and focused my attention (kept my TRs in) on completing my courses, and on auditing.

A few years later, in the mid 1970s, I was back "on lines" again, and many things had changed. There was heavy emphasis on FNing everything and seeming never ending use of an annoyance called "Method 4 word clearing," where, every time I read a bulletin, my subconscious mind was to be consulted, while holding the cans, to see if there was anything I "didn't fully get," "disagreed with," etc.

The e-meter was king.

Before completing the actions I went there to do, the last new bulletin I read from Ron was his 'LSD, Years after they had come off of', which was soon to be followed by the "Sweat Program," where people were expected to wear rubber suits and run around and sweat out their "LSD crystals" so they wouldn't be "zombies, to a greater or lesser degree" anymore. Then the price increases began, and by 1978 more changes occurred: Ron had discovered "Dianetic Clear" was quite common indeed, and that "keyed out Clear was Clear," and that "Dianetic Clears" should skip Power, R6EW, and the Clearing Course, and go directly (once "up lines") to their OT levels. The old HSDC course had had many of its Bulletins changed to conform with the new "discoveries" (for example, "Somatic" had been deleted and replaced with "consideration"), and the Dianetics Course was renamed and featured long prepared assessment lists - even more emphasis on formality and the e-meter.

It seemed like almost everyone was now - suddenly - a "Dianetic Clear," and things were becoming a bit surreal. It was then that I first could no longer ignore the "hypnotic" effect that Ron had on most Scientologists. For years "yadda yadda was not xyz," and then Hubbard went, "yadda yadda is xyz" and Scientologists went, without missing a beat, "yadda yadda is xyz!"

Then came further changes to the Grade Chart, from Ron, changes made according to Ron's orders through Senior C/S International David Mayo. The OT levels had been changed after OT 3, replaced with something called NOTs - which promised to do what the Clearing Course had once promised to do, then OT 3 had promised to do: Remove the final barrier to full OT - and the Scientologists were eager to travel to Flag for their NOTs, which was hyped to the hilt.

And even though I was still a Scientologist, and still - occasionally - "on lines," I had begun to back away from Scientologists (who seemed hypnotically agreeable to "LRH tech," yet oddly, in some vague way, fearful of "LRH Tech.")

Finally, I received a phone call from AOLA, telling me that old OT8 (which it turns out never existed anyway) had been replaced, and was asked what I wanted to do with that money. So, I bought the PDC tapes, and sitting in an easy chair in my library - where I had a nearly complete collection of the works of Aleister Crowley, a new interest, but that's another story - listened to Ron say things that sounded like rephrasings of passages I had recently read in Crowley's writings.

Naively, I still thought I could continue with Scientology, but of course, it was becoming impossible. I was "graduating from Scientology" and didn't even know it.

And this was all before most had heard the name "David Miscavige."

And there's much more that could be said, but the point (or one of the points) is that there was never a time, during my involvement in Scientology, when "Standard Tech" remained the same for more than a few months.

So, in your opinion, Standard Tech Academy, what do you regard as Standard Tech? Does it include the LRH materials cited at the beginning of this post, and does it include the Class 8 course?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVqN4ivQ_TM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDKg5K3in8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6P4YV6CfI0

If possible, any clarification would be appreciated.
 
If it doesn't "work" for you don't use it. Nattering about it is pointless if it doesn't (or does) work for you.

There is no need to answer questions about my views. They are just that, my views.

I respect your views, and I give information to others vis a' vis guests that are on the show so that they may make their own decisions based off of that information (in the show) to have their own opinions in an otherwise fragmented field. One person's view is just that.... one view, in other words, be it yours or mine. The shows give a multi-faceted patchwork quilt of views, which somewhere in between those views is the actuality of the situation with the subject of Scientology. As more are interviewed, the picture will become clearer and clearer, instead of just one or two viewpoints.

This forum is quite obviously laced with church operatives as well as grossly maligned, disaffected, abused, victims (and victimized), critical, mistreated, and a host of other types of people (good or otherwise). It's my prerogative to post about the show and I get a lot of hits from the forum, many of which register and listen to the shows. So they must be interested...
 
If it doesn't "work" for you don't use it. Nattering about it is pointless if it doesn't (or does) work for you.

There is no need to answer questions about my views. They are just that, my views.

I respect your views, and I give information to others vis a' vis guests that are on the show so that they may make their own decisions based off of that information (in the show) to have their own opinions in an otherwise fragmented field. One person's view is just that.... one view, in other words, be it yours or mine. The shows give a multi-faceted patchwork quilt of views, which somewhere in between those views is the actuality of the situation with the subject of Scientology. As more are interviewed, the picture will become clearer and clearer, instead of just one or two viewpoints.

This forum is quite obviously laced with church operatives as well as grossly maligned, disaffected, abused, victims (and victimized), critical, mistreated, and a host of other types of people (good or otherwise). It's my prerogative to post about the show and I get a lot of hits from the forum, many of which register and listen to the shows. So they must be interested...
If it "works" for you use it. Nattering about it is pointless if it doesn't (or does) work for you.
 
If it doesn't "work" for you don't use it. Nattering about it is pointless if it doesn't (or does) work for you.

There is no need to answer questions about my views. They are just that, my views.

I respect your views, and I give information to others vis a' vis guests that are on the show so that they may make their own decisions based off of that information (in the show) to have their own opinions in an otherwise fragmented field. One person's view is just that.... one view, in other words, be it yours or mine. The shows give a multi-faceted patchwork quilt of views, which somewhere in between those views is the actuality of the situation with the subject of Scientology. As more are interviewed, the picture will become clearer and clearer, instead of just one or two viewpoints.

This forum is quite obviously laced with church operatives as well as grossly maligned, disaffected, abused, victims (and victimized), critical, mistreated, and a host of other types of people (good or otherwise). It's my prerogative to post about the show and I get a lot of hits from the forum, many of which register and listen to the shows. So they must be interested...

The little boy who shouted out that the emperor had no clothes was classic 'nattering'.

Zinj
 
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:coolwink: man you guys are hard core. I looked at the site, mildly interesting. I'm still looking more for stuff I haven't found elsewhere.

And as for the ashtray deal - I don't think anyone was really supposed to leavitate the thing - wasn't it just in case someone did? and as with most of everything just part of the research?

At least that was how I felt.:coolwink: :coolwink: :coolwink:
 
If it doesn't "work" for you don't use it. Nattering about it is pointless if it doesn't (or does) work for you.

I'd ask what you meant, specifically by "it," but the "it" is "Standard Tech," and you won't say what that is.

So, anyway, if "Standard Tech," or some part of "Standard Tech," doesn't work for someone, or that person notices "it" not "working" for (or possibly harming) another, then that person should shut up, i.e., refrain from "nattering."

OK. That sounds pretty "Standard."

There is no need to answer questions about my views. They are just that, my views.

Well, I was hoping that you would extend the courtesy of answering.

After all, I was asking about your views. Obviously, you don't wish to provide your views.

-snip-

The shows give a multi-faceted patchwork quilt of views

-snip-

Somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if that "patchwork quilt" remained safely within the boundary of "LRH Tech is great," and "LRH Tech is out in Orgs."

This forum is quite obviously laced with church operatives as well as grossly maligned, disaffected, abused, victims (and victimized), critical, mistreated, and a host of other types of people (good or otherwise). It's my prerogative to post about the show and I get a lot of hits from the forum, many of which register and listen to the shows. So they must be interested...

"This forum is quite obviously laced with church operatives."

You know, at first I thought of someone such as the poster 'x-x', then realized you likely have a much longer list of "church operatives," and these would include many who "natter" about Marty Rathbun & friends.

Oddly enough, after leaving the C of S, I spent a year auditing others on everything from Dianetics, to Lower Grades, to some no longer used processes from the 1950s (at the pcs request), and even some NOTs when that phenomena came up. I was very successful, but I continued looking - looking at a secretive subject that consisted of a series of layers. The more layers I peeled away, the more I found.

And what I found and the conclusions I arrived at, are probably something you won't be able to confront for a long time.

Thanks for the non-answers. I don't think you meant to, but you told me a great deal.

And best wishes with your work, and with your continued evolution.
 
Jack Airey will be our guest tonight. We will be going over the production of the AC 360 show. Should be a great show!Don't miss it!

http://www.standardtechacademy.com


You never answered my questions, so I looked at your website anyways.
It's far worse than even I could have predicted.

I didn't spend more than 20 seconds on it, but I had more than enough. Here are some highlights:

1. At the top, it proudly boasts: "A New Age Of Radio Freedom". It is mystifying what that iconic-sounding tag line could possibly mean. Scientology radio may be many things (including delusional, masturbatory, fraudulent, ridiculous and more...) but it could never in 75 million years be accused of promoting "freedom". To prove this point, see #2, below.

2. The main heading you see when opening the site is: KSW RADIO. I do recall a bit of that policy by Hubbard and the words that come to mind when considering people voluntarily listening to a KSW web-radio station are "not quite bright" and "agonized suffering".

3. I see some other points heralded about being an "independent" which I'll cut and paste just to remind everyone how screwball THE independent world of Cultus Novus really is.... (gratuitous comments thrown in at no extra by-passed charge :D)

As an Independent...

1. You are not alone! There are more Independent Scientologists now than there are members in the Church. (WOW, MORE THAN TEN MILLION?! MAYBE THEY DON'T MEAN 10M BUT THEY ARE CERTAINLY PICKING UP THE SUCCESSFUL ACTION OF THE HATED COS THAT THEY JUST BROKE AWAY FROM BY POSITIONING THEIR RIGHTNESS WITH THE IMPRESSIVE SIZE OF THEIR CONGREGATION)

2. More are becoming aware of the abuses, alterations, and fraud every day. Get the word out! Your code of Honor is at stake. (BUT YOUR HONOR IS NOT AT STAKE BY CONTINUING THE FRAUD OF SELLING CLEAR, OT AND TOTAL FREEDOM?)

3. The bridge is still intact and available for you and your family as an Independent, and can be done standardly. (TRANSLATION: DELUSIONS ARE STILL INTACT AND AVAILABLE? )

4. A weakness in the ability to confront evil got us here. Raising our confront for it can get us out. (TRUE. AND RAISING OUR CONFRONT A LITTLE HIGHER STILL CAN GET US OUT OF INDEPENDENT SCIENTOLOGY WHICH IS THE IDENTICAL TRAP AND SCAM THAT HUBBARD DE-FRAUDED YOU WITH.)

5. State your Independence and why, far and wide. To do so is to become free of the suppression of erroneous group think. (COOL! SAY IT LOUD, SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS--I'M ABERRATED AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!)

7. Continue your auditing and doing courses, you will find out what flourishing and prospering is really about outside of the suppression. (YOU WILL FIND IN THE FUTURE WHAT FLOURISHING AND PROSPERING IS IF YOU JUST DO WHAT WE TELL YOU NOW? DEJA VU MOMENT...HMMMM, THAT PITCH REMINDS ME OF SOME OTHER GROUP I USED TO BELONG TO....)

6. Reform is on the way. The critical mass needed to ignite the star that will guide us out is growing rapidly. What can you do to help?
(WHOA! FIRST RON CAME FROM ANOTHER PLANET TO GUIDE US OUT BUT HE WAS TIED UP SO HE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO IT. THEN MISCAVIGE CAME TO GUIDE US OUT BUT THE PROSPERITY OF THE COS WAS SO GREAT THAT HE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING MORE THAN COUNT MONEY ALL DAY. BUT NOW, THIS MAKES SENSE. A STAR IS GOING TO COME AND GUIDE US OUT. MY SPACE FEELS CALM AND BIG. MY COOL-ADE IS READY!)
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