thetanic
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Or one of your currents helps you shop for another.
Also, the number of countries you've had sex in exceeds the number of most of your friends' partners.
Not that I know anything about these things....
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Or one of your currents helps you shop for another.
Also, the number of countries you've had sex in exceeds the number of most of your friends' partners.
Not that I know anything about these things....
afaceinthecrowd
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Someone and Something New, Part 2
"One thing that El Ron’s predatory leech-host model required was periodically and consistently having 'Someone and Something New'".
The first Foundation gave El Ron what he needed; a “stage” to tell stories from, an audience that would “buy” them and a bunch of early innovators and adapters to do the real work. Problem was that the Foundation had inherent flaws that eventually led to its’ demise.
The first flaw was that El Ron—as was already well established over his 40 years of life—did not play well with others. You see other people have ideas, too, about how things should be run, what is right and what is wrong, what is fair and other silly silly stuff like that. Hubris.
The second flaw was that El Ron wanted to “take from the till” whatever, whenever Hisself pleased. The only problem El Ron ever had with money is that Hisself never had enough. How much was that? All of it! Greed.
The third flaw was the real killer—accountability. El Ron hated to be accountable for any of his actions and, in particular, accountability to anyone that had the “teeth” to judge or enforce "specific performance". Fear.
Hubris, Greed and Fear—the “Drivers” to El Ron’s Green on White “Tech”.
Hubris and fear mixed together (shall we say, “shaken not stirred”) makes for a very crazy “Cocktail” and greed makes you blind, always in all ways. I know that some may say that I forgot that El Ron was a “control freak”.
Well to me Hubris begets the inner “license and authorization” to control with impunity. Fear begets the level of desperation and viciousness one will resort to “protect” one's control. Greed begets the pathological need and desire for control—control of attention, admiration, “love”, money, emotions, actions, thoughts, on and on—and renders you blind as to any hurt, damage and destruction you cause.
El Ron's "HGF" did in the first Foundation. As the Foundation fell, El Ron did as Hisself had always done—run for it. Only this time Hisself got away with the Ace of Spades—Mary Sue. This “Ace of Spades” would eventually turn upside-down for El Ron. You see, folks, one thing that I learned from my “Face Time” years with El Ron and Mary Sue is that El Ron could be absolutely “Brilliant” but Mary Sue was a whole lot “Smarter” than Hisself.
And thusly was born the “Religion” of “Scientology” and its’ demon seed the “Church” of Scientology. I don’t think El Ron ever set out to be a Demonic Cult Leader…Hisself just did what came “naturally” as Hisself always had…make it all up “on the fly”, don’t get caught and if you “think” or “feel” you’re about to get caught, run for it. However, this time El Ron had something Hisself never had before; someone with more guts, gumption and guile (Balls) than Hisself and was willing to invest their entire life in backing up and protecting El Ron and bringing to “fruition” Hisself’s “full potential”. The kids were the “glue” that cemented her to the relationship. As the old saying goes, “In the jungle the Lioness with Cubs is the most deadly of the Specie.” I’m tellin’ ya, folks…Mary Sue was one smart, savvy, smooth, stealthy and very deadly feline.
With Scientology El Ron and Mary Sue had the opportunity to use a proven American Business Model that was best “suited” for El Ron’s considerable “abilities and talents” and they would parlay and “pioneer and refine” that Model with a “New Age” twist. The result?
Elmer Gantry goes Atomic Age and Space Opera.
The Elmer Gantry Model depends on New Venues, New Sinners, New True Believers, New Stories Relating Scriptures, New Interpretations of Scriptures, and New “Twists” to the Tried and True “Routines”. And, what are the “Tried and True Routines”?
Anything that gives you more “New’s” and, most most importantly, makes you money.
El Ron’s “new twist” on Elmer? El Ron got to write the Scriptures and interpret and Hisself had a host of others that “gave” El Ron or “inspired” the material for the Scriptures.
El Ron also wrote Scriptures that Hisself didn’t believe for a minute but knew most of us would “buy”. I’ll tell yall a little Baby Face and El Ron Story about that in a day or so. Sorry to do that to ya, folks, but I’m just plane “wrote out” for now.
Face
"One thing that El Ron’s predatory leech-host model required was periodically and consistently having 'Someone and Something New'".
The first Foundation gave El Ron what he needed; a “stage” to tell stories from, an audience that would “buy” them and a bunch of early innovators and adapters to do the real work. Problem was that the Foundation had inherent flaws that eventually led to its’ demise.
The first flaw was that El Ron—as was already well established over his 40 years of life—did not play well with others. You see other people have ideas, too, about how things should be run, what is right and what is wrong, what is fair and other silly silly stuff like that. Hubris.
The second flaw was that El Ron wanted to “take from the till” whatever, whenever Hisself pleased. The only problem El Ron ever had with money is that Hisself never had enough. How much was that? All of it! Greed.
The third flaw was the real killer—accountability. El Ron hated to be accountable for any of his actions and, in particular, accountability to anyone that had the “teeth” to judge or enforce "specific performance". Fear.
Hubris, Greed and Fear—the “Drivers” to El Ron’s Green on White “Tech”.
Hubris and fear mixed together (shall we say, “shaken not stirred”) makes for a very crazy “Cocktail” and greed makes you blind, always in all ways. I know that some may say that I forgot that El Ron was a “control freak”.
Well to me Hubris begets the inner “license and authorization” to control with impunity. Fear begets the level of desperation and viciousness one will resort to “protect” one's control. Greed begets the pathological need and desire for control—control of attention, admiration, “love”, money, emotions, actions, thoughts, on and on—and renders you blind as to any hurt, damage and destruction you cause.
El Ron's "HGF" did in the first Foundation. As the Foundation fell, El Ron did as Hisself had always done—run for it. Only this time Hisself got away with the Ace of Spades—Mary Sue. This “Ace of Spades” would eventually turn upside-down for El Ron. You see, folks, one thing that I learned from my “Face Time” years with El Ron and Mary Sue is that El Ron could be absolutely “Brilliant” but Mary Sue was a whole lot “Smarter” than Hisself.
And thusly was born the “Religion” of “Scientology” and its’ demon seed the “Church” of Scientology. I don’t think El Ron ever set out to be a Demonic Cult Leader…Hisself just did what came “naturally” as Hisself always had…make it all up “on the fly”, don’t get caught and if you “think” or “feel” you’re about to get caught, run for it. However, this time El Ron had something Hisself never had before; someone with more guts, gumption and guile (Balls) than Hisself and was willing to invest their entire life in backing up and protecting El Ron and bringing to “fruition” Hisself’s “full potential”. The kids were the “glue” that cemented her to the relationship. As the old saying goes, “In the jungle the Lioness with Cubs is the most deadly of the Specie.” I’m tellin’ ya, folks…Mary Sue was one smart, savvy, smooth, stealthy and very deadly feline.
With Scientology El Ron and Mary Sue had the opportunity to use a proven American Business Model that was best “suited” for El Ron’s considerable “abilities and talents” and they would parlay and “pioneer and refine” that Model with a “New Age” twist. The result?
Elmer Gantry goes Atomic Age and Space Opera.
The Elmer Gantry Model depends on New Venues, New Sinners, New True Believers, New Stories Relating Scriptures, New Interpretations of Scriptures, and New “Twists” to the Tried and True “Routines”. And, what are the “Tried and True Routines”?
Anything that gives you more “New’s” and, most most importantly, makes you money.
El Ron’s “new twist” on Elmer? El Ron got to write the Scriptures and interpret and Hisself had a host of others that “gave” El Ron or “inspired” the material for the Scriptures.
El Ron also wrote Scriptures that Hisself didn’t believe for a minute but knew most of us would “buy”. I’ll tell yall a little Baby Face and El Ron Story about that in a day or so. Sorry to do that to ya, folks, but I’m just plane “wrote out” for now.
Face
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CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
One thing that El Ron’s predatory leech-host model required was periodically and consistently having “Someone and Something New”.
The first foundation gave El Ron what he needed; a “stage” to tell stories from, an audience that would “buy” them and a bunch of early innovators and adapters to do the real work. Problem was that the Foundation had inherent flaws that eventually lead to its’ demise.
The first flaw was that El Ron—as was already well established over his 40 years of life—did not play well with others. You see other people have ideas, too, about how things should be run, what is right and what is wrong, what is fair and other silly silly stuff like that. Hubris.
The second flaw was that El Ron wanted to “take from the till” whatever, whenever Hisself pleased. The only problem El Ron ever had with money is that Hisself never had enough of it. Greed.
The third flaw was the real killer—accountability. El Ron hated to be accountable for any of his actions and, in particular, accountability to anyone that had the “teeth” to judge or enforce performance. Fear.
Hubris, Greed and Fear—the “Drivers” to El Ron’s Green on White “Tech”.
Hubris and fear mixed together (shall we say, “shaken not stirred”) makes for a very crazy “Cocktail” and greed makes you blind, always in all ways. I know that some may say that I forgot that El Ron was a “control freak”.
Well to me Hubris begets the inner “license and authorization” to control with impunity. Fear begets the level of desperation and viciousness one will resort to “protect” ones control. Greed begets the pathological need and desire for control—control of attention, admiration, “love”, money, emotions, actions and thoughts, on and on—and renders you blind as to any hurt, damage and destruction you cause.
HGF did in the first Foundation. As the Foundation fell, El Ron did as Hisself had always done—run for it. Only this time Hisself got away with the Ace of Spades—Mary Sue. This “Ace of Spades” would eventually turn upside-down for El Ron. You see, folks, one thing that I learned from my “Face Time” years with El Ron and Mary Sue is that El Ron could be absolutely “Brilliant” but Mary Sue was a whole lot “Smarter” than Hisself.
And thusly was born the “Religion” of “Scientology” and its’ demon seed the “Church” of Scientology. I don’t think El Ron ever set out to be a Demonic Cult Leader…Hisself just did what came “naturally” as Hisself always had…make it all up “on the fly”, don’t get caught and if you “think” or “feel” you’re about to get caught, run for it. However, this time El Ron had something Hisself never had before; Someone with more guts, gumption and guile (Balls) the Hisself and was willing to invest their entire life in backing up and protecting El Ron and bringing to “fruition” Hissself’s “full potential”. The kids were the “glue” that cemented her to the relationship. As the old saying goes, “In the jungle the Lioness with Cubs is the most deadly of the specie.” I’m tellin’ ya, folks…Mary Sue was one smart, savvy, smooth, stealthy and very deadly feline.
With Scientology El Ron and Mary Sue had the opportunity to use a proven American Business Model that was best “suited” for El Ron’s considerable “abilities and talents” and they would parlay and “pioneer and refine” that Model with a “New Age” twist. The result?
Elmer Gantry goes Atomic Age and Space Opera.
The Elmer Gantry Model depends on New Venues, New Sinners, New True Believers, New Stories Relating Scriptures, New Interpretations of Scriptures, and New “Twists” to the Tried and True “Routines”. And, what are the “Tried and True Routines”?
Anything that gives you more “New’s” and, most most importantly, makes you money.
El Ron’s “new twist” on Elmer? El Ron got to write the Scriptures and interpret and Hisself had a host of others that “gave” El Ron or “inspired” the material for the Scriptures.
El Ron also wrote Scriptures that Hisself didn’t believe for a minute but knew most of us would “buy”. I’ll tell yall a little Baby Face and El Ron Story about that in a day or so. Sorry to do that to ya, folks, but I’m just plain “wrote out” for now.
Face
Face,
i've been out of the Co$ since 1976. Before that I had a reasonably good gossip line from Flag. I knew a lot of the dirt when I was in. You put the theory in. - The reasons behind the physical abuse, the crazy behavior, etc.
You really are adding to the knowledge base in a big way.
Blue Spirit
Silver Meritorious Patron
Found Out
Your story and analysis makes sense and boils down LRH's insanity to basics.
I can't help but to think that LRH never thought he'd be found out fully.
I hope to get that across to him sometime, but missed withholds might bar that.
I'm waiting with interest for your remaining segments of truth.
Thank you for joining us with your important contributions.
"One thing that El Ron’s predatory leech-host model required was periodically and consistently having 'Someone and Something New'".
The first Foundation gave El Ron what he needed; a “stage” to tell stories from, an audience that would “buy” them and a bunch of early innovators and adapters to do the real work. Problem was that the Foundation had inherent flaws that eventually lead to its’ demise.
The first flaw was that El Ron—as was already well established over his 40 years of life—did not play well with others. You see other people have ideas, too, about how things should be run, what is right and what is wrong, what is fair and other silly silly stuff like that. Hubris.
The second flaw was that El Ron wanted to “take from the till” whatever, whenever Hisself pleased. The only problem El Ron ever had with money is that Hisself never had enough. How much was that? All of it. Greed.
The third flaw was the real killer—accountability. El Ron hated to be accountable for any of his actions and, in particular, accountability to anyone that had the “teeth” to judge or enforce "specific performance". Fear.
Hubris, Greed and Fear—the “Drivers” to El Ron’s Green on White “Tech”.
Hubris and fear mixed together (shall we say, “shaken not stirred”) makes for a very crazy “Cocktail” and greed makes you blind, always in all ways. I know that some may say that I forgot that El Ron was a “control freak”.
Well to me Hubris begets the inner “license and authorization” to control with impunity. Fear begets the level of desperation and viciousness one will resort to “protect” one's control. Greed begets the pathological need and desire for control—control of attention, admiration, “love”, money, emotions, actions and thoughts, on and on—and renders you blind as to any hurt, damage and destruction you cause.
HGF did in the first Foundation. As the Foundation fell, El Ron did as Hisself had always done—run for it. Only this time Hisself got away with the Ace of Spades—Mary Sue. This “Ace of Spades” would eventually turn upside-down for El Ron. You see, folks, one thing that I learned from my “Face Time” years with El Ron and Mary Sue is that El Ron could be absolutely “Brilliant” but Mary Sue was a whole lot “Smarter” than Hisself.
And thusly was born the “Religion” of “Scientology” and its’ demon seed the “Church” of Scientology. I don’t think El Ron ever set out to be a Demonic Cult Leader…Hisself just did what came “naturally” as Hisself always had…make it all up “on the fly”, don’t get caught and if you “think” or “feel” you’re about to get caught, run for it. However, this time El Ron had something Hisself never had before; Someone with more guts, gumption and guile (Balls) than Hisself and was willing to invest their entire life in backing up and protecting El Ron and bringing to “fruition” Hisself’s “full potential”. The kids were the “glue” that cemented her to the relationship. As the old saying goes, “In the jungle the Lioness with Cubs is the most deadly of the Specie.” I’m tellin’ ya, folks…Mary Sue was one smart, savvy, smooth, stealthy and very deadly feline.
With Scientology El Ron and Mary Sue had the opportunity to use a proven American Business Model that was best “suited” for El Ron’s considerable “abilities and talents” and they would parlay and “pioneer and refine” that Model with a “New Age” twist. The result?
Elmer Gantry goes Atomic Age and Space Opera.
The Elmer Gantry Model depends on New Venues, New Sinners, New True Believers, New Stories Relating Scriptures, New Interpretations of Scriptures, and New “Twists” to the Tried and True “Routines”. And, what are the “Tried and True Routines”?
Anything that gives you more “New’s” and, most most importantly, makes you money.
El Ron’s “new twist” on Elmer? El Ron got to write the Scriptures and interpret and Hisself had a host of others that “gave” El Ron or “inspired” the material for the Scriptures.
El Ron also wrote Scriptures that Hisself didn’t believe for a minute but knew most of us would “buy”. I’ll tell yall a little Baby Face and El Ron Story about that in a day or so. Sorry to do that to ya, folks, but I’m just plain “wrote out” for now.
Face
Your story and analysis makes sense and boils down LRH's insanity to basics.
I can't help but to think that LRH never thought he'd be found out fully.
I hope to get that across to him sometime, but missed withholds might bar that.
I'm waiting with interest for your remaining segments of truth.
Thank you for joining us with your important contributions.
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
This is an interesting assertion but seems to contradict the many who indicate that MSH was not an especially intelligent person herself. Now, admittedly many very capable "operators" possess tremendous skill at manipulating times & circumstances to suit their own immediate purposes, but lack the wherewithal to perceive (or at times even care) about the real effects of their actions upon others, either in the short or long term.
Would you care to expand on your description of MSH from your own interactions with the Hubbards?
Mark A. Baker
lkwdblds
Crusader
Thank God for the Internet
Blue - I agree fully on the point I highlighted in red. No one foresaw the internet. Without the internet probably no one or more likely just a handfull would have ever found out. Omar Garrison appears to have found out and could have damaged Hubbard by publishing his bio. DM and company bought out Garrison. Scholars such as Gerry Armstrong knew and made an effort to get the information out but without the internet it is pretty difficult to do so. Just like with the home computer, none of the Sci Fi writiers anticipated the coming of the Internet which became the key part of home computing. Hubbard did not see it coming and its arrival wrecked his plans to keep the inner workings of his life secret.
Lakey
Blue - I agree fully on the point I highlighted in red. No one foresaw the internet. Without the internet probably no one or more likely just a handfull would have ever found out. Omar Garrison appears to have found out and could have damaged Hubbard by publishing his bio. DM and company bought out Garrison. Scholars such as Gerry Armstrong knew and made an effort to get the information out but without the internet it is pretty difficult to do so. Just like with the home computer, none of the Sci Fi writiers anticipated the coming of the Internet which became the key part of home computing. Hubbard did not see it coming and its arrival wrecked his plans to keep the inner workings of his life secret.
Lakey
afaceinthecrowd
Gold Meritorious Patron
Mary Sue
Thanks MAB. She got through UT, Austin and that is not a "duh" school. I don't know of the "many who indicate" so please direct me where I can take a look at what you have read.
I would not term Mary Sue as highly intelligent but she sure enough had guts, gumption and guile from what I know and saw and she certainly, IMO, was smart (like a form of "street smarts", if you will), savvy, smooth, stealthy and very deadly, and she almost always used a "Silencer". I assure you, in the old days aboard the Apollo, no one working and living on the upper decks in their right mind ever F'd with Mary Sue...and that wasn't because she would "tattle to El Rony".
Part of where I'm going includes Mary Sue...thanks for the invite to expand. Anyone that was involved closely with the El Ron/Mary Sue "dance team" will tell you that she truly was "Ginger" to Hisself's "Fred", only she tried to "appear" as innocuous as the Hat Rack to the "outside" world.
Unfortunately, prudence regarding my anonimity precludes me from too many "juicy details" but I'll do what I can and certainly will give my heartfelt opinion.
Face
Thanks MAB. She got through UT, Austin and that is not a "duh" school. I don't know of the "many who indicate" so please direct me where I can take a look at what you have read.
I would not term Mary Sue as highly intelligent but she sure enough had guts, gumption and guile from what I know and saw and she certainly, IMO, was smart (like a form of "street smarts", if you will), savvy, smooth, stealthy and very deadly, and she almost always used a "Silencer". I assure you, in the old days aboard the Apollo, no one working and living on the upper decks in their right mind ever F'd with Mary Sue...and that wasn't because she would "tattle to El Rony".
Part of where I'm going includes Mary Sue...thanks for the invite to expand. Anyone that was involved closely with the El Ron/Mary Sue "dance team" will tell you that she truly was "Ginger" to Hisself's "Fred", only she tried to "appear" as innocuous as the Hat Rack to the "outside" world.
Unfortunately, prudence regarding my anonimity precludes me from too many "juicy details" but I'll do what I can and certainly will give my heartfelt opinion.
Face
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afaceinthecrowd
Gold Meritorious Patron
lkwdblds
Crusader
"One thing that El Ron’s predatory leech-host model required was periodically and consistently having 'Someone and Something New'".
The first Foundation gave El Ron what he needed; a “stage” to tell stories from, an audience that would “buy” them and a bunch of early innovators and adapters to do the real work. Problem was that the Foundation had inherent flaws that eventually lead to its’ demise.
The first flaw was that El Ron—as was already well established over his 40 years of life—did not play well with others. You see other people have ideas, too, about how things should be run, what is right and what is wrong, what is fair and other silly silly stuff like that. Hubris.
The second flaw was that El Ron wanted to “take from the till” whatever, whenever Hisself pleased. The only problem El Ron ever had with money is that Hisself never had enough. How much was that? All of it. Greed.
The third flaw was the real killer—accountability. El Ron hated to be accountable for any of his actions and, in particular, accountability to anyone that had the “teeth” to judge or enforce "specific performance". Fear.
Hubris, Greed and Fear—the “Drivers” to El Ron’s Green on White “Tech”.
Hubris and fear mixed together (shall we say, “shaken not stirred”) makes for a very crazy “Cocktail” and greed makes you blind, always in all ways. I know that some may say that I forgot that El Ron was a “control freak”.
Well to me Hubris begets the inner “license and authorization” to control with impunity. Fear begets the level of desperation and viciousness one will resort to “protect” one's control. Greed begets the pathological need and desire for control—control of attention, admiration, “love”, money, emotions, actions and thoughts, on and on—and renders you blind as to any hurt, damage and destruction you cause.
Very nicely stated Face!. When some despot (a cruel and aggressive tyrant) gains power, perhaps even worse than the despot, the lieutenants serving him acquire a piece of power for themselves. Many of them, not able to achieve power over others on their own merits, enjoy their newfound power status and. delight in controlling and torturing people. They begin some sort of sick dramatization by ordering others around, humiliating them and degrading them. More often than not, the junior being tormented by such a junior officer is a far more able and wise person than his tormenter.
HGF did in the first Foundation. As the Foundation fell, El Ron did as Hisself had always done—run for it. Only this time Hisself got away with the Ace of Spades—Mary Sue. This “Ace of Spades” would eventually turn upside-down for El Ron. You see, folks, one thing that I learned from my “Face Time” years with El Ron and Mary Sue is that El Ron could be absolutely “Brilliant” but Mary Sue was a whole lot “Smarter” than Hisself.
And thusly was born the “Religion” of “Scientology” and its’ demon seed the “Church” of Scientology. I don’t think El Ron ever set out to be a Demonic Cult Leader…Hisself just did what came “naturally” as Hisself always had…make it all up “on the fly”, don’t get caught and if you “think” or “feel” you’re about to get caught, run for it. However, this time El Ron had something Hisself never had before; Someone with more guts, gumption and guile (Balls) than Hisself and was willing to invest their entire life in backing up and protecting El Ron and bringing to “fruition” Hisself’s “full potential”. The kids were the “glue” that cemented her to the relationship. As the old saying goes, “In the jungle the Lioness with Cubs is the most deadly of the Specie.” I’m tellin’ ya, folks…Mary Sue was one smart, savvy, smooth, stealthy and very deadly feline.
With Scientology El Ron and Mary Sue had the opportunity to use a proven American Business Model that was best “suited” for El Ron’s considerable “abilities and talents” and they would parlay and “pioneer and refine” that Model with a “New Age” twist. The result?
I don't quite get this. They had an opportunity to use a proven American Business Model but isn't it true that Hubbard did not do so. Instead, he made up his own business model, somewhat patterned on the Navy Model but with his his own bits and pieces taking precedence over Navl procedures. I like the Elmer Gantry goes Atomic Age and Space Opera analogy.
Elmer Gantry goes Atomic Age and Space Opera.
The Elmer Gantry Model depends on New Venues, New Sinners, New True Believers, New Stories Relating Scriptures, New Interpretations of Scriptures, and New “Twists” to the Tried and True “Routines”. And, what are the “Tried and True Routines”?
Anything that gives you more “New’s” and, most most importantly, makes you money.
El Ron’s “new twist” on Elmer? El Ron got to write the Scriptures and interpret and Hisself had a host of others that “gave” El Ron or “inspired” the material for the Scriptures.
El Ron also wrote Scriptures that Hisself didn’t believe for a minute but knew most of us would “buy”. I’ll tell yall a little Baby Face and El Ron Story about that in a day or so. Sorry to do that to ya, folks, but I’m just plain “wrote out” for now.
Face
Making it all up on the fly seems to be his trade mark. Even Jesus, or Moses did not write their own scriptures but L. Ron did. This is pretty rare in religions. Joeseph Smith wrote down the Book of Mormon and it was a regious work while he was still alive wasn;t it? I am not sure. Most religious founders have their scriptures written up after their deaths by their disciples.
The The OT III story was really too ridiculous for any person with their wits about them to actually believe literally. LRH must have been laughing all the way to the bank with the money so many were putting down to learn that data and run that auditing. Even when I was a total believer, I still had trouble accepting that story literally. I thought that things would be cleared up for me on the "next higher level."
There is one man in particular, besides Elmer Gantry who LRH owes much to for furnishing him source material, I am
enclosing an article about him below from a recent Helluvahox post:
The practice of DECEPTION pervades all of history. Maybe the hyperbolic PT Barnum-esque, stylized , over-the-top, sleazy carnival scamming is what you think of as "American". In many ways, although they did not invent it, Americans elevated commercialized hoaxes to an art form.
PT Barnum (the first show-business millionaire) was a grand liar who, like Hubbard, cultivated a finely tuned sense of how to commercially exploit the blind-spot gullibilities of potential customers. Barnum promoted the biggest hoaxes he could get away with to feed his single-minded obsession with money, calling it "The Greatest Show On Earth".
Likewise Hubbard, Miscavige and the CoS marketing folks have taken that concept and run with it. The hoax called Scientology proudly boasts that it is "The Greatest Show in the Universe".
The marketing is simply just saying or doing anything all all that will cause people to pay money. That's it.
I think our beloved Commodore did his apprenticeship well!
Pictured below is Barnum and "Commodore Nutt" (no joke, that's what he named his petit money maker!)
Wait, is that Ron and COB in a past life? (A picture of Barnum and a dwarf is shown but I can't get it to copy.)
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Blue Spirit
Silver Meritorious Patron
"Silencer" ?
Face, please clear up that word "Silencer" for me ?
I can't quite take the meaning out of context.
Thank you.
Thanks MAB. She got through UT, Austin and that is not a "duh" school. I don't know of the "many who indicate" so please direct me where I can take a look at what you have read.
I would not term Mary Sue as highly intelligent but she sure enough had guts, gumption and guile from what I know and saw and she certainly, IMO, was smart (like a form of "street smarts", if you will), savvy, smooth, stealthy and very deadly, and she almost always used a "Silencer". I assure you, in the old days aboard the Apollo, no one working and living on the upper decks in their right mind ever F'd with Mary Sue...and that wasn't because she would "tattle to El Rony".
Part of where I'm going includes Mary Sue...thanks for the invite to expand. Anyone that was involved closely with the El Ron/Mary Sue "dance team" will tell you that she truly was "Ginger" to Hisself's "Fred", only she tried to "appear" as innocuous as the Hat Rack to the "outside" world.
Unfortunately, prudence regarding my anonimity precludes me from too many "juicy details" but I'll do what I can and certainly will give my heartfelt opinion.
Face
Face, please clear up that word "Silencer" for me ?
I can't quite take the meaning out of context.
Thank you.
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CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
is this a troll?
try a dictionary
silencer |ˈsīlənsər|
noun
a device for reducing the noise emitted by a gun or other loud mechanism.
try wikipedia
A suppressor, sound suppressor, sound moderator, or silencer, is a device either attached to or part of the barrel of a firearm to reduce the amount of noise and flash generated by firing the weapon. Although suppressors are popularly known as silencers, this is misleading since no suppressor
Suppressors were regularly used by agents of the United States Office of Strategic Services, who favored the newly-designed High Standard HDM .22 Long Rifle pistol during World War II. OSS Director William Joseph "Wild Bill" Donovan demonstrated the pistol for President Franklin D. Roosevelt at the White House. According to OSS research chief Stanley Lovell,[5] Donovan (an old and trusted friend of the President) was waved into the Oval Office, where Roosevelt was dictating a letter. While Roosevelt finished his message, Donovan turned his back and fired ten shots into a sandbag he had brought with him, announced what he had done and handed the smoking gun to the astonished president.
lkwdblds
Crusader
Some Pictures in my Area
I am just practicing on posting photographs some more. These are some shots in my area.
This is a shot from my back yard on a clear day.
This is a shot from my back yard on a stormy day.
This is a shot from the Seal Beach pier on a stormy day.
This is a shot from a park only 1/2 miles from my house. It has a hiking trail connected to it which is about three miles long, heavily wooded, and leads to the downtown of the City. You are right in the middle of a medium sized City over 100,000 in the L.A. basin but you have the illusion of being out in the wilderness.
Lakey
I am just practicing on posting photographs some more. These are some shots in my area.
This is a shot from my back yard on a clear day.
This is a shot from my back yard on a stormy day.
This is a shot from the Seal Beach pier on a stormy day.
This is a shot from a park only 1/2 miles from my house. It has a hiking trail connected to it which is about three miles long, heavily wooded, and leads to the downtown of the City. You are right in the middle of a medium sized City over 100,000 in the L.A. basin but you have the illusion of being out in the wilderness.
Lakey
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
I am
enclosing an article about him below from a recent Helluvahox post:
The practice of DECEPTION pervades all of history. Maybe the hyperbolic PT Barnum-esque, stylized , over-the-top, sleazy carnival scamming is what you think of as "American". In many ways, although they did not invent it, Americans elevated commercialized hoaxes to an art form.
PT Barnum (the first show-business millionaire) was a grand liar who, like Hubbard, cultivated a finely tuned sense of how to commercially exploit the blind-spot gullibilities of potential customers. Barnum promoted the biggest hoaxes he could get away with to feed his single-minded obsession with money, calling it "The Greatest Show On Earth".
Likewise Hubbard, Miscavige and the CoS marketing folks have taken that concept and run with it. The hoax called Scientology proudly boasts that it is "The Greatest Show in the Universe".
The marketing is simply just saying or doing anything all all that will cause people to pay money. That's it.
I think our beloved Commodore did his apprenticeship well!
Pictured below is Barnum and "Commodore Nutt" (no joke, that's what he named his petit money maker!)
Wait, is that Ron and COB in a past life?
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I find this a trifle offensive.
PT Barnum was a showman, a producer of entertainment.
Here is a picture taken by Matthew Brady at the wedding of Tom Thumb to Lavinia Warren
From left to right: George Washington Morrison Nutt (1844–1881), Charles Sherwood Stratton AKA Tom Thumb (1838–1883), Lavinia Warren Stratton (1841–1919), Minnie Warren (1841–1878).
Nobody gives Rock Hudson, Tab Hunter, Michael Keaton, Tom Cruise, or Judy Garland static for changing their names.
It is part of the entertainment business.
PT Barnum's "Greatest Show on Earth" is still playing to packed arenas 100 years later. I love the circus. The musical, "Barnum" is terrific.
I don't think the Sea Org or the Churches of Scientology will be around in one hundred years.
PT Barnum was a showman. He was not an evil enslaver and he gave value for the money he got from his patrons.
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
This is a shot from my back yard on a clear day.
Here I go mocking you again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2hmDn_BoRA&feature=related
and here is Lena Horne, who died yesterday, doing "Stormy Weather"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCG3kJtQBKo
afaceinthecrowd
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Reply to Lakey
Thanks for your comments, Lakey.
The SO/Navy thing was later on the chain…I’ll get there eventually.
The Elmer Gantry Model was the Genus and was the Base Model throughout much of the ‘50’s and was part of the menue into the '60's. During the ‘50’s El Ron began his “Add on’s” to the Model…which I’ll cover in another post.
The Gantry Model worked quite well in terms of New “New’s” and Revenue.
Last night I was watching TCM and guess what? They showed Elmer Gantry! Great flick.
Face
Thanks for your comments, Lakey.
The SO/Navy thing was later on the chain…I’ll get there eventually.
The Elmer Gantry Model was the Genus and was the Base Model throughout much of the ‘50’s and was part of the menue into the '60's. During the ‘50’s El Ron began his “Add on’s” to the Model…which I’ll cover in another post.
The Gantry Model worked quite well in terms of New “New’s” and Revenue.
Last night I was watching TCM and guess what? They showed Elmer Gantry! Great flick.
Face
afaceinthecrowd
Gold Meritorious Patron
Silencer
Thanks for your comments, Blue.
By “Silencer” I meant this:
If El Ron got POed at you, Hisself made a big show of it. If El Ron was POed enough Hisself would through you in the "garbage can" and if you “survived”, and had some value to Hisself, El Ron would sometimes pluck you out later. During the old days aboard the Apollo many folks went in the "garbage can" and were plucked out many times over a relatively short period of time. However, if Hisself was really, really POed El Ron "blew your brains out" in public a la Otto Roos.
If Mary Sue was PO’ed at you you’d often times not know it. You’d all of a sudden be getting a Sec Check, the 3rd mate (I&R) would start snoopin’ around your area...sometimes, after we were on land, it would be GO B1 heavies…stuff like that. If she was POed enough Ethics Section would get real active on you, some kinda “dirt” would show up in the 3rd Mates hands and you were in the "garbage can"…and you didn’t get plucked. If you “survived” the "garbage can" you eventually had a low posting or were transferred to a land based SO unit…either way, your career was permanently “stained”. If Mary Sue was really, really POed you just quietly disappeared one night...offloaded.
Face
Thanks for your comments, Blue.
By “Silencer” I meant this:
If El Ron got POed at you, Hisself made a big show of it. If El Ron was POed enough Hisself would through you in the "garbage can" and if you “survived”, and had some value to Hisself, El Ron would sometimes pluck you out later. During the old days aboard the Apollo many folks went in the "garbage can" and were plucked out many times over a relatively short period of time. However, if Hisself was really, really POed El Ron "blew your brains out" in public a la Otto Roos.
If Mary Sue was PO’ed at you you’d often times not know it. You’d all of a sudden be getting a Sec Check, the 3rd mate (I&R) would start snoopin’ around your area...sometimes, after we were on land, it would be GO B1 heavies…stuff like that. If she was POed enough Ethics Section would get real active on you, some kinda “dirt” would show up in the 3rd Mates hands and you were in the "garbage can"…and you didn’t get plucked. If you “survived” the "garbage can" you eventually had a low posting or were transferred to a land based SO unit…either way, your career was permanently “stained”. If Mary Sue was really, really POed you just quietly disappeared one night...offloaded.
Face
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lkwdblds
Crusader
Why is it Barnum is so thought of as a "snake oil' salesman?
Thanks for putting up those photos, Carmelo and also for some hatting on 19th century dwarfs and showmen.
WHY IS IT THAT BARNUM HAS SUCH A REPUTATION AS A SNAKE OIL SALESMAN?
Could it be that famous line that is attributed to him, "There is a sucker born every minute." The article I read about him states that he may not have actually said that. I agree that the circus is a tremendous value for the money (for the most part). The only facet where that may not be true are some of those "side show" acts. The barker is touting some fantastic phenemona such as "Octavia, the octopus lady", you pay your fee and go inside and she doesn't have 8 limbs as touted but only in a cursory way does she look anything like an octopus.
The public perception is that Barnum is a con man or a huckster even though the circus is fabulous entertainment which exchanges in abundance for a fair ticket price. I figure either he sold snake oil as a youth before he got involved in the circus or else it is that sentence he is credited with originating or it could be the side shows or those carnival type games such as a ring toss and so forth where they give the cupie dolls if you do well at the game. Those are often able to be rigged by the operator and most of the time the prizes do not amount to much. Do you know why Barnum is perceived as having been a hustler?
Still, that picture of Barnum with Tom Nutt and then the caption asking if that could be Hubbard and Miscavige in previous lives, that tickles the funny bone. Just think of the picture as being taken while Nutt was on his interneship under Barnum for the post of Chairman of the Carnival - COC. Some things don't match up, the heigths for example, Hubbard only had about 6" on DM while Barnum had about 4 feet on Nutt.
I find this a trifle offensive.
PT Barnum was a showman, a producer of entertainment.
Here is a picture taken by Matthew Brady at the wedding of Tom Thumb to Lavinia Warren
From left to right: George Washington Morrison Nutt (1844–1881), Charles Sherwood Stratton AKA Tom Thumb (1838–1883), Lavinia Warren Stratton (1841–1919), Minnie Warren (1841–1878).
Nobody gives Rock Hudson, Tab Hunter, Michael Keaton, Tom Cruise, or Judy Garland static for changing their names.
It is part of the entertainment business.
PT Barnum's "Greatest Show on Earth" is still playing to packed arenas 100 years later. I love the circus. The musical, "Barnum" is terrific.
I don't think the Sea Org or the Churches of Scientology will be around in one hundred years.
PT Barnum was a showman. He was not an evil enslaver and he gave value for the money he got from his patrons.
Thanks for putting up those photos, Carmelo and also for some hatting on 19th century dwarfs and showmen.
WHY IS IT THAT BARNUM HAS SUCH A REPUTATION AS A SNAKE OIL SALESMAN?
Could it be that famous line that is attributed to him, "There is a sucker born every minute." The article I read about him states that he may not have actually said that. I agree that the circus is a tremendous value for the money (for the most part). The only facet where that may not be true are some of those "side show" acts. The barker is touting some fantastic phenemona such as "Octavia, the octopus lady", you pay your fee and go inside and she doesn't have 8 limbs as touted but only in a cursory way does she look anything like an octopus.
The public perception is that Barnum is a con man or a huckster even though the circus is fabulous entertainment which exchanges in abundance for a fair ticket price. I figure either he sold snake oil as a youth before he got involved in the circus or else it is that sentence he is credited with originating or it could be the side shows or those carnival type games such as a ring toss and so forth where they give the cupie dolls if you do well at the game. Those are often able to be rigged by the operator and most of the time the prizes do not amount to much. Do you know why Barnum is perceived as having been a hustler?
Still, that picture of Barnum with Tom Nutt and then the caption asking if that could be Hubbard and Miscavige in previous lives, that tickles the funny bone. Just think of the picture as being taken while Nutt was on his interneship under Barnum for the post of Chairman of the Carnival - COC. Some things don't match up, the heigths for example, Hubbard only had about 6" on DM while Barnum had about 4 feet on Nutt.
lkwdblds
Crusader
I love the Elmer Gantry movie too!
I happened to catch Elmer Gantry on TV perhaps 6 years ago and liked it so much I went and rented it and watched it again. I often recommended it to friends. That movie is such a winner!!
I see what you mean by an American model. You are talking about those TV Evangelists. Some of those old TV revivalist shows were great entertainment. I had a close athiest friend, Morley, long deceased and he and I used to watch those shows for entertainment. I remember, in a 1962 TV show, one guy who came up to the pulpit on crutches as if he had had polio and his family was standing behind him. The TV Evangilist started some sort of prayer or incantation, then he looked upward towards the heavens and yelled out, "Christ Jesus, please transfer your power into my hands so that I might heal this man" He then put his hands on the man and screamed at the top of his voice, "By the power invested in me by our Lord Christ Jesus, I command this man to HEAL, HEAL HEAL." The man started spasming and shaking, perhaps talked in tongue for about a minute. Finally all was still and the Evangelist ordered him to throw down his crutches, which he did. The Evangelist told him to walk and after a real effort, he took two steps, reached the Evanelist and fell into his arms and they both hugged. Everyone in the families had tears in their eyes. Morley and I were laughing out of control, "linecharging". We thought it beat any comedy show on TV. We were pretty immature, he was 21 and I was 22 and we were in college. Laughing at someone else's religious practice was not the high water mark of my life.
Lakey
Thanks for your comments, Lakey.
The SO/Navy thing was later on the chain…I’ll get there eventually.
The Elmer Gantry Model was the Genus and was the Base Model throughout much of the ‘50’s and was part of the menue into the '60's. During the ‘50’s El Ron began his “Add on’s” to the Model…which I’ll cover in another post.
The Gantry Model worked quite well in terms of New “New’s” and Revenue.
Last night I was watching TCM and guess what? They showed Elmer Gantry! Great flick.
Face
I happened to catch Elmer Gantry on TV perhaps 6 years ago and liked it so much I went and rented it and watched it again. I often recommended it to friends. That movie is such a winner!!
I see what you mean by an American model. You are talking about those TV Evangelists. Some of those old TV revivalist shows were great entertainment. I had a close athiest friend, Morley, long deceased and he and I used to watch those shows for entertainment. I remember, in a 1962 TV show, one guy who came up to the pulpit on crutches as if he had had polio and his family was standing behind him. The TV Evangilist started some sort of prayer or incantation, then he looked upward towards the heavens and yelled out, "Christ Jesus, please transfer your power into my hands so that I might heal this man" He then put his hands on the man and screamed at the top of his voice, "By the power invested in me by our Lord Christ Jesus, I command this man to HEAL, HEAL HEAL." The man started spasming and shaking, perhaps talked in tongue for about a minute. Finally all was still and the Evangelist ordered him to throw down his crutches, which he did. The Evangelist told him to walk and after a real effort, he took two steps, reached the Evanelist and fell into his arms and they both hugged. Everyone in the families had tears in their eyes. Morley and I were laughing out of control, "linecharging". We thought it beat any comedy show on TV. We were pretty immature, he was 21 and I was 22 and we were in college. Laughing at someone else's religious practice was not the high water mark of my life.
Lakey
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Blue Spirit
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I Got It
Thank you for the clear explanation.
I knew Mary Sue had to have a bad side to be with LRH for so long. Logical.
Thanks for your comments, Blue.
By “Silencer” I meant this:
If El Ron got POed at you, Hisself made a big show of it. If El Ron was POed enough Hisself would through you in the garbage can and if you “survived”, and had some value to Hisself, El Ron would sometimes pluck you out later. During the old days aboard the Apollo many folks went in the garbage and were plucked out many times over a relatively short period of time. However, if he was really, really POed El Ron "blew your brains out" in public a la Otto Roos.
If Mary Sue was PO’ed at you you’d often times not know it. You’d all of a sudden be getting a Sec Check, the 3rd mate (I&R) would start snoopin’ around your area...sometimes it would be GO B1 heavies…stuff like that. If she was POed enough Ethics section would get real active on you, some kinda “dirt” would show up in the 3rd Mates hands and you were in the garbage…and you didn’t get plucked. If you “survived” the garbage you eventually had a low posting or were transferred to a land based SO unit…either way, your career was permanently “stained”. If Mary Sue was really, really POed you just quietly disappeared one night...offloaded.
Face
Thank you for the clear explanation.
I knew Mary Sue had to have a bad side to be with LRH for so long. Logical.
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