People with Advanced case states acting like jerks!
I have been wondering how a person could possibly go Clear on the subject of self or any other subject if their perceptions are screwed up. My conclusion: A person can't. Or, if a person does, he/she certainly won't stay Clear.
What screws a person's perceptions? Any number of different toxic, false, deceptive inputs, physical or spiritual/mental.
Here's some funny stuff from George Carlin. Gets past the first few minutes. He then starts talking about some hilarious perceptions that we all have shared at one time or another simply because we have bodies and brains hardwired in similarity.
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Your comments remind me of an incident from 1981 when I was a newly wed. My wife and I met this couple, Bob and Susie who were both on Solo NOTs. We invited them to dinner and had a great time. They wanted to reciprocate but they were just in the process of moving way out to Steven's Ranch out near Diamond Bar in the Northeast tip of L.A. County. They were going to rent a truck for their move and then promised to have us to dinner at their new home. Being in construction, I had a truck so it was agreed that me and wifey, would be at their home on Beachwood, near the corner of Franklin Ave at 7:30 the next morning, help them to move by loading things on my truck and then drive together out to Steven's Ranch and see their new home.
Wifey and I showed up at 7:30 sharp but there was no one home. We waited in our truck for nearly 30 minutes, figuring they were out for breakfast or something. By 8:00 they had not arrived. We knocked on neighbors doors on both sides of their house and no one knew anything. After waiting an hour we left. In the evening (a Saturday) I called, and got only an answering machine but no return call. I called again on Sunday and Monday, again leaving messages and receiving no return call. My wife told me to just forget it, they were flakes so I didn't call Wednesday. I told my wife, I feared that they were in a serious accident and were in the hospital or were dead. On Thursday, I decided to call again.
Guess what, Susie answered the phone. She acted happy and just asked me "What's up?" I was incredulous and replied, "My wife got up at 6:00 AM and we drove from Orange County to Hollywood, arriving at 7:30 exactly on schedule with our truck to help you guys move as agreed." Susie said, that she and Bob were excited and could not sleep so they got up early and about 7:15 they just decided to leave right away and go rent a truck and not wait for us. I said that she should have called us the night before. She said they just decided to leave on the spur of the moment and they thought it was too early in the morning to call us. I said, how could it be too early, you knew we would be there at 7:30 AM. She said that since we did not confirm, she figured we probably would not show up.
I then said that she should at least have left a note on her door for us. She said they went to breakfast, still intending to meet us but at the restaurant they decided not to wait for us but to rent the truck and do it themselves. The restaurant was about 5 miles on the way to Diamond Bar so they did not want to double back and leave a note and therefore just contined driving to Diamond Bar. Finally, I asked if she got any of my phone calls and she said she got them all but she had been too busy to return any of them. She was going to call me in a couple of days!
BOTH OF THESE "OT'S" WERE OFFICIALLY CLEAR AND HAD DONE OT III.
Both Susie and Bob had attested to Clear and OTIII and yet Susie pulled this stunt. Bob seemed quite rational but he let Susie run the social calendar. I do not know if Bob was complicit in this or if he just went along for the ride without knowing any of the details.
Susie said she would make us a dinner at her new home to make up the damages. Since they were so busy, a date was set about 3 weeks later. A couple of days prior, I called her to confirm that we were on. The night before the dinner, perhaps 10:00 or so in the evening, she called and cancelled out. There was a new briefing for all those on OT 7 at Flag and they were invited to the briefing and so they flew to Clearwater the next day instead of seeing us.
When they returned, Susie called and spoke to my wife and invited us to another dinner. My wife had had enough of them and declined, saying that they were just flakes. In the evening Susie called and invited me to dinner again. I hit her with some invectives and she hit back at me, admitting to no wrong doing in the entire cycle. She promised that short of a death or accident in the family, this next dinner would come off. I accepted and then had a big argument with my wife. She finally agreed to go but predicted they would cancel at the last minute again. On the day before the dinner, I called Susie again and with a song in her voice, she told me how excited she was about us comming for dinner. I told wifey that we were on 100% sure. In the afternoon of the day of the dinner, we went to the mall to do some shopping, buying a house warming gift for Bob and Susie as part of our shopping. When we got home, there was a message on our machine from Susie that some friends, also on OT 7, had flown in unexpectedly from Florida and that she was going to have to cancel again. This time wifey and I were in full accord and we dropped them. She called eventually to set up a new dinner invite and we told her to go fuck herself.
THIS EXPERIENCE CAUSED DOUBTS IN ME AS REGARDS THE VALIDITY OF THE UPPER SCIENTOLOGY LEVELS OF CLEAR AND OT III. In my mind, Susie would have to handle these overt acts somewhere in her auditing because,
how could she audit over such out ethics and still make case gain? I still occasionally saw her at ASHO but would no longer talk to her but just say high in the halls. Later on she attested to OT 7 and also new OT 8. She never called me or my wife to handle any of these overt acts against us. To me, she had been auditing over out ethics the entire time and all of the auditing levels which she achieved were bogus due to auditing over out Ethics.
AUDITING OVER OUT ETHICS AND PTSness all the way to OT 8
I believe that many supposed Clears and OT's audited over out ethics, ptsness, body ailments and/or overts and withholds. They are totally occluded and focused on rationalizing their out ethics behavior. This type of reason, collectively, is sufficient to negate the auditing gains which they were supposed to achieve.
Lakey
I'd have been in the straight-jacket!
