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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Mark A. Baker said:
<snip>Attempts made by 'lrh loyalists' in an effort "to preserve hubbard's good name" are utterly misguided.
LRH in his life and through his own actions made sure he left no 'good name' to be preserved. <snip> Mark A. Baker
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That about covers it !
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Celebrity Centre

JackStraw said:
I, for one, applaud your choice or words! :roflmao:

Jack
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:thumbsup:

I, for one, just kinda all around applaud pretty much most of what Carmelo has to say. :yes:

Why is that?

Actually I dunno :confused2:...it just all kinda makes sense, feels comfortable and a lot of the time I think I get it. Of course, he could be foolin' me...I've never been real good at reading between the lines so I'm stuck with reading the words he's actually saying. Maybe it's a generational thing since we're both "Boomers" and trod some of the same ground. :coolwink:

Face :)
 
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JackStraw said:
I, for one, applaud your choice or words! :roflmao:

Jack
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for those, who had this go by them:

Jack observed a malapropism.

malaprop |ˈmaləˌpräp| (also malapropism)
noun
the mistaken use of a word in place of a similar-sounding one, often with unintentionally amusing effect, as in, for example, “dance a flamingo ” (instead of flamenco).
ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: from the name of the character Mrs. Malaprop in Sheridan's play The Rivals (1775) + -ism .

incite / insight


incite |inˈsīt|
verb [ trans. ]
encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior) : the offense of inciting racial hatred.
• urge or persuade (someone) to act in a violent or unlawful way : he incited loyal subjects to rebellion.
DERIVATIVES
incitation |ˌinsīˈtā sh ən| noun
incitement noun
inciter noun
ORIGIN late 15th cent.: from French inciter, from Latin incitare, from in- ‘toward’ + citare ‘rouse.’
THE RIGHT WORD
The best way to start a riot is to incite one, which means to urge or stimulate to action, either in a favorable or an unfavorable sense.
If you instigate an action, however, it implies that you are responsible for initiating it and that the purpose is probably a negative or evil one :) the man who instigated the assassination plot).
Foment suggests agitation or incitement over an extended period of time :) foment a discussion; foment the rebellion that leads to war). An instigator, in other words, is someone who initiates the idea, while a fomenter is someone who keeps it alive.
You can provoke a riot in the same way that you instigate one, but the emphasis here is on spontaneity rather than on conscious design :) her statement provoked an outcry from animal rights activists).
To arouse is to awaken a feeling or elicit a response :) my presence in the junkyard aroused suspicion), or to open people's eyes to a situation :) we attempted to arouse public awareness).
But once you've aroused people, you may have to exhort them, meaning to urge or persuade them, by appealing to their sympathy or conscience, to take constructive action.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Mark A. Baker said:
Fortunately there is now plentiful information readily on line which gives an accurate reflection on hubbard's life & character. Much can be readily found via an internet search engine. Many such accounts have been posted on esmb by such individuals as Face, Alan, Dart, Challenge, et al. These accounts are all valuable in that they reflect the first hand observations of the actual history of the church by those who experienced the events as they unfolded. They represent real contributions and excellent resources for those who wish to better understand the attraction and actuality of the cult of hubbard & the church of scientology.


Mark A. Baker
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Cool post.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Celebrity Centre

CarmeloOrchards said:
for those, who had this go by them:

Jack observed a malapropism.

malaprop |ˈmaləˌpräp| (also malapropism)
noun
the mistaken use of a word in place of a similar-sounding one, often with unintentionally amusing effect, as in, for example, “dance a flamingo ” (instead of flamenco).
ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: from the name of the character Mrs. Malaprop in Sheridan's play The Rivals (1775) + -ism .

incite / insight


incite |inˈsīt|
verb [ trans. ]
encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior) : the offense of inciting racial hatred.
• urge or persuade (someone) to act in a violent or unlawful way : he incited loyal subjects to rebellion.
DERIVATIVES
incitation |ˌinsīˈtā sh ən| noun
incitement noun
inciter noun
ORIGIN late 15th cent.: from French inciter, from Latin incitare, from in- ‘toward’ + citare ‘rouse.’
THE RIGHT WORD
The best way to start a riot is to incite one, which means to urge or stimulate to action, either in a favorable or an unfavorable sense.
If you instigate an action, however, it implies that you are responsible for initiating it and that the purpose is probably a negative or evil one :) the man who instigated the assassination plot).
Foment suggests agitation or incitement over an extended period of time :) foment a discussion; foment the rebellion that leads to war). An instigator, in other words, is someone who initiates the idea, while a fomenter is someone who keeps it alive.
You can provoke a riot in the same way that you instigate one, but the emphasis here is on spontaneity rather than on conscious design :) her statement provoked an outcry from animal rights activists).
To arouse is to awaken a feeling or elicit a response :) my presence in the junkyard aroused suspicion), or to open people's eyes to a situation :) we attempted to arouse public awareness).
But once you've aroused people, you may have to exhort them, meaning to urge or persuade them, by appealing to their sympathy or conscience, to take constructive action.
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:coolwink: Exactly! Funny is funny.

And, to Facie, I too like Carmelo and his posts.

I notice these (malapropisms) all the time. This one was too good to pass up-'cause I do like Carmelo!:thumbsup:

Jack
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Celebrity Centre

JackStraw said:
:coolwink: Exactly! Funny is funny.

And, to Facie, I too like Carmelo and his posts.

I notice these (malapropisms) all the time. This one was too good to pass up-'cause I do like Carmelo!:thumbsup:

Jack
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Yep.:thumbsup:

And I was most fondled of Norm Crosby as well.:coolwink:
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Mark A. Baker said:
Actually it is even more important with those who are long term out yet still in denial about lrh's actual character. :eyeroll: However, those types tend to be all too fearful of involvement on boards like esmb.

I agree with you that a focus on the sins of lrh possesses limited value. Afterall, as you indicated, hubbard has been dead for more than two decades. Few enough scientologists, whether active or ex, knew him or ever had direct contact with the man.

The fixation on lrh is a bit like holy rollers preaching hellfire & damnation to a congregation of religious fundamentalists. All the noise serves as a distraction to reason. It achieves little in itself and amounts to yet another form of the 'cult of hubbard' as in obsession with lrh. :eyeroll:

Still, on a public board like esmb, there are always people in flux. My own preferences are that the facts be laid out for all to see in publicly accessible materials (the internet has proved to be an excellent resource to this end), any questions from individuals should be referred to available sources and first hand accounts which provide accurate data about the life & times of lrh, and that sermons & rants on the 'goodness' or 'evil' of lrh be avoided.

At the present lrh serves mostly as historical background with regard to the church, its policies, and its pursuits. Attempts made by 'lrh loyalists' in an effort "to preserve hubbard's good name" are utterly misguided. LRH in his life and through his own actions made sure he left no 'good name' to be preserved. Their efforts would be better directed in identifying for themselves what particular aspects of the subject of scientology may still have value to them and use it in pursuing their own interests. By all means they should forgo the continuance of hubbard's holy war upon the world. It was never anything other than an lrh dramatization in which too many were willingly caught up. Unfortunately, many have drunk so deeply from that cup that they remain a long way from a state of sobriety.

Fortunately there is now plentiful information readily on line which gives an accurate reflection on hubbard's life & character. Much can be readily found via an internet search engine. Many such accounts have been posted on esmb by such individuals as Face, Alan, Dart, Challenge, et al. These accounts are all valuable in that they reflect the first hand observations of the actual history of the church by those who experienced the events as they unfolded. They represent real contributions and excellent resources for those who wish to better understand the attraction and actuality of the cult of hubbard & the church of scientology.


Mark A. Baker
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Exactly correct. All the info needed is freely available to all.

So for myself, I don't give a toss about LRH any more - I have buried him. But there is still a lot of merit and interest in the broader subject of Scientology and is afiliated (or denied) off-shoots and derivatives.
 
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Leon said:
Exactly correct. All the info needed is freely available to all.

So for myself, I don't give a toss about LRH any more - I have buried him. But there is still a lot of merit and interest in the broader subject of Scientology and is afiliated (or denied) off-shoots and derivatives.
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"LRH is dead," yet both you chaps call yourselves thay-tans. You've adopted Hubbard's inside-joke-on-you name for your most intimate spiritual essence, and don't even get the joke.

Hey, Baker, you sound more like me everyday. Maybe you should thank me for the free tutoring. But don't disgrace me by reverting to PR smoke-blowing if you and your former FZ PR partner ever reconcile and form a team again.

And Leon, you're making some progress too. I don't expect you to ever thank me though, and that's OK.

In the meantime, you've both still a ways to go.

You two thay-tans.:eyeroll:
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Leon said:
Exactly correct. All the info needed is freely available to all.

So for myself, I don't give a toss about LRH any more - I have buried him. But there is still a lot of merit and interest in the broader subject of Scientology and is afiliated (or denied) off-shoots and derivatives.
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Yes, perhaps the greatest thing of merit from scientology was BattleField Earth.
That was such a great movie that was so well and widely received !
Leon, how mant times habe you seen it? Dozens?

LOL !
 
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Oh, and LRH - the person and body of LRH is dead. Certainly is, and I don't give a toss about the bullshit he spewed snd the oveerts he committed. But he also - let it be noted - did a lot of great merit during his life, and that I continue read and listen to with great interest.

So you stuill have a way to go with me, Veda.
 
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Leon said:
Never seen it actually. What's it like?
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I'd heard it was really really awful and considered the worst movie of the decade, but, when it came on TV for free I gave it a try. I made it less than 2 minutes into it before changing channels so I have no idea what it is like.

But, the reason I suggested you try it is it sure sounds like the kind of movie you'd be a big fan of !
 
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Auditor's Toad said:
I'd heard it was really really awful and considered the worst movie of the decade, but, when it came on TV for free I gave it a try. I made it less than 2 minutes into it before changing channels so I have no idea what it is like.

But, the reason I suggested you try it is it sure sounds like the kind of movie you'd be a big fan of !
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If you have to explain your joke, it isn't that funny.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Auditor's Toad said:
You saw BattleField Earth and did NOT see the humor ? Well, OK....I guess.
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as Prissy would say, "I don't know nuthin' about Battlefield Earth"

I do know that the Co$ sent me lots of money by Western Union to go buy copies of the book from Walden and B. Dalton, when it was on the shelves. Something about making it a best seller by buying from stores that reported to the NY Times bestsellers list.

Not wanting to disappoint them, I told them i bought the books. They had me donate them to nearby libraries.

I've never read the book or seen the movie. I've never bought the book or had it given to me. I certainly, have never stolen it. I wonder, now, why I told them I had bought those multiple copies? perhaps, maybe, because they sent me more money to buy more books? That's probably why.
 
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CarmeloOrchards said:
as Prissy would say, "I don't know nuthin' about Battlefield Earth"

I do know that the Co$ sent me lots of money by Western Union to go buy copies of the book from Walden and B. Dalton, when it was on the shelves. Something about making it a best seller by buying from stores that reported to the NY Times bestsellers list.

Not wanting to disappoint them, I told them i bought the books. They had me donate them to nearby libraries.

I've never read the book or seen the movie. I've never bought the book or had it given to me. I certainly, have never stolen it. I wonder, now, why I told them I had bought those multiple copies? perhaps, maybe, because they sent me more money to buy more books? That's probably why.
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I read the book and thought it was a very good science fiction novel. A bunch of us used to read it in the NOTS waiting room at AOLA in the 1980's. I ran into CC's Deputy Commanding Officer, Joyce Meyers in the waiting room and she was reading the book. Also from CCLA, I bumped into Ken Wasserman, Pat Marachek from the Pat and Pat singing duo known as Back Pocket and the very beautiful dancer, Kathy Moore.

It used to be said that Hubbard was so brilliant that a non Scientologist reading the book would view it simply as entertaining Sci-Fi; a newer Scientologist would view it differently and an OTIII or above would see it still differently. The character, Johnny 'Goodboy' Tyler was supposed to represent LRH to the latter two groups and the alien race, the Psychlos was supposed to represent psychiatry.

The movie was something else. After a big press build up and reading the book, I expected a blockbuster hit of a movie, especially since John Travolta was in it and was pushing the movie.

After watching for about 20 or 30 minutes, I felt the movie was a complete dud. Except for the opening scene, most other scenes were filmed in dark areas mainly underground. The screen play was slow paced and boring, the set was not realistic and had the look of that of a low budget movie. Computer graphics were extensively used but they were low grade compared to what we see today or even to other films made in 2000.

The story was hard to follow. It was very difficult to connect the dots and understand what was happening. If a person had not read the book and known what the story was about, that person would have little understanding of what was taking place.

The movie was about 2 hours long and yet only covered 1/2 of the book. A planned sequel was cancelled because the first installment flopped so badly and lost money.
Lakey
 
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Leon said:
Oh, and LRH - the person and body of LRH is dead. Certainly is, and I don't give a toss about the bullshit he spewed snd the oveerts he committed. But he also - let it be noted - did a lot of great merit during his life, and that I continue read and listen to with great interest.

So you stuill have a way to go with me, Veda.
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Leon, two points here. Obviously, no one can argue with your points that LRH is dead and the things of merit which he "did" should merit the lion's share of the discussion about him.

Still, many of his old policies which fleeced people, destroyed their sanity and their bank accounts and broke up their families are still in existence and are still being heavily promoted inside C of S.

New stories, such as FoTi wrote on another thread yesterday still interest people. People are still coming to grips with the extent of the evil which was committed in Hubbard's name.

I, for one, have not reached the end of the trail when it comes to reading or listening to peoples' "exit stories". Each exit story has to do with how a different person or a different family was destroyed. These are fascinating human interest experiences. Many of them are stranger than any fiction which could be written. I could cease reading them and move on but for some reason, the stories still beckon.

People such as FoTi are finally sorting out their personal situations after several years of reading this type of negative information. It is amazing to see how someone finally sorts out all the negative info, has some sort of ephipany about their past in Scientolgy and suddenly sheds a ton of baggage and begins living a freer life.

On sorting out the good parts of what Hubbard did, that is certainly a worthwhile endeavor. There is a lot of opposition on ESMB when that subject is brought up but so what, it is a valid area to purse.
Lakey

P.S. - Most of us have heard of the "Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval". Leon and Mark Baker sort of got a conditional Veda seal of approval but it appears that Leon did not fully accept it.
 
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