Bill Frank's story about brainwashing (thread merge)

[MostlyLurker]

Welcome Gwells!

By reading Robin Scott's & Bill Franks chat on FB the message seems genuine.

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=201383003211443&id=100001929720618

Thank you Bill!

 

[Gottabrain]

Face

Bill Franks was on the Apollo in 1974.
I was there. I interfaced with him and his then wife Jeannie Franks often (Now Jeanie Sonenfield ED of Cincinnatti Org)


Sneakster ~~
I have had direct communication with the Bill Franks on Facebook.

He is the True BILL FRANKS that was ED INT.


My name is Karen de la Carriere and I approve of the above message

Hi Karen, thanks so much for confirming the posts. I believe you.

That said - as far as the first post, then - I have a much bigger reaction for Gwells and Bill Franks:

WOW!



Made me feel better. Thank you.

 

[Sindy]

Man, I really wish David Mayo was around. Now, would be a very good time.

 

[Jachs]

Yes , a call out to fellow Kiwi David Mayo be great to see you here.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Face

Bill Franks was on the Apollo in 1974.
I was there. I interfaced with him and his then wife Jeannie Franks often (Now Jeanie Sonenfield ED of Cincinnatti Org)


Sneakster ~~
I have had direct communication with the Bill Franks on Facebook.

He is the True BILL FRANKS that was ED INT.


My name is Karen de la Carriere and I approve of the above message

O. K. Karen...I defer to you...I was off the Ship for some of '74 on Missions but I know for a fact that Bill Franks was not on the ship for all of '74.

If this is truly a statement from Bill then perhaps you can confirm this with him. There's other stuff in gwells post that, to my knowledge, are not factual and, for that reason, I question the veracity of this post.

All I want to do is ensure that if something is posted here on "behalf" of Franks that it is not posted with information that I either know or suspect to be false.

I am very glad to hear that Bill is out there and that you have been touch with him. I just want to make sure that this post is, in fact, his wishes and a correct reflection of his statements.

Please confirm this personally if possible...I would very much appreciate it.

Face

 

[degraded being]

I can never figure out these mystery-is he or isn't he games.

I have no opinion about if the poster is or isn't Bill Franks.
I always have a question when a startling new post turns up...........
Is this a distraction?


And a coupla other questions....is the multi posting on this one all within the last two days....?
Is there, at the moment, anything that would warrant distraction?

And...why was quell or qwell or whoever posting the same post.....?
Does that mean that extra efforts were needed to ensure distraction.
Does the Rex Fowler case need a distraction op?

I'm just asking.

 

[Karen#1]

Bill Franks.

O. K. Karen...I defer to you...I was off the Ship for some of '74 on Missions but I know for a fact that Bill Franks was not on the ship for all of '74.

If this is truly a statement from Bill then perhaps you can confirm this with him. There's other stuff in gwells post that, to my knowledge, are not factual and, for that reason, I question the veracity of this post.

All I want to do is ensure that if something is posted here on "behalf" of Franks that it is not posted with information that I either know or suspect to be false.

I am very glad to hear that Bill is out there and that you have been touch with him. I just want to make sure that this post is, in fact, his wishes and a correct reflection of his statements.

Please confirm this personally if possible...I would very much appreciate it.

Face

Greetings Face.

I have messaged Bill Franks
via Facebook
via AOL

and invited him to join this Board.
I also sent him the link to this thread so he can read it.

We should hear back soon.

Best to you

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Greetings Face.

I have messaged Bill Franks
via Facebook
via AOL

and invited him to join this Board.
I also sent him the link to this thread so he can read it.

We should hear back soon.

Best to you

Cool idea! thanxxx.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Greetings Face.

I have messaged Bill Franks
via Facebook
via AOL

and invited him to join this Board.
I also sent him the link to this thread so he can read it.

We should hear back soon.

Best to you

Hey, thanks Karen...you are, as always, a peach.

It would be wonderful...no...phenomenal...if Bill Franks would join all of Us here.

Thank you.

Best to you, too.

Face

 

[Thrak]

Yeah, but my question (assuming that this report is true) is why Hubbard did an "about face" 180 degree turn on this topic.
What happened?

The way I read it he was admitting the "w/h is the cause of blow" was bs to control people. I didn't see it as a reversal.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Thanks for this gwells ... if true it proves that Tubs knew all along that he was just a conman.

I believe people leave when they mature enough and have the courage to regain the ability to think for themselves (I no longer use the jargon unless no other word will do).

I don't give a toss why Tubs thought people left.

Welcome to ESMB, I hope you stay.

Yep, I bet at first he was surprise the con game lasted as long as it did and then once he realized what a gold mine his con game was, he fought tooth and nail to keep the players in his con game.

Judging by the garbage science fiction is was freely spewing early on, he couldn't have possible thought it would last more than a few years, but once he realized just how easy it was to create slaves that would worship him, he focused his attention to enslaving his followers in a totalitarian cult and little els. This eventually became the basis of "Keeping Scientology Working, by time he went fully insane and forced into hiding his fake navy knew nothing else.

 

[Sindy]

<snip>

Why Hubbard would point this out and potentially weaken his position of power though, is not so obvious.

<snip>

LTG

We will have to ask Bill what he thinks on this one.

My guess is that as a sociopathic egomaniac, he figured that he could just get rid of those guys as easily as he had gotten rid of anyone else and that no one would believe them over him. He also figured they would never say anything, and, apparently they didn't. It took Bill Franks 37 years and David Mayo is nowhere to be found.

Who knows, at that moment when they showed LRH that they had done everything to get the guy back, who blew, including all the needed sec checks to handle why a person would blow and that STILL didn't handle the student to come back, then maybe THAT made Hubbard wrong and for that little moment in time he was willing to expose himself to make himself right, by again showing that he REALLY knew the true reason why someone blows and therefore why those handlings weren't working.

He also could have been on drugs and thought that a small admission at the time.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

We will have to ask Bill what he thinks on this one.

My guess is that as a sociopathic egomaniac, he figured that he could just get rid of those guys as easily as he had gotten rid of anyone else and that no one would believe them over him. He also figured they would never say anything, and, apparently they didn't. It took Bill Franks 37 years and David Mayo is nowhere to be found.

Who knows, at that moment when they showed LRH that they had done everything to get the guy back, who blew, including all the needed sec checks to handle why a person would blow and that STILL didn't handle the student to come back, then maybe THAT made Hubbard wrong and for that little moment in time he was willing to expose himself to make himself right, by again showing that he REALLY knew the true reason why someone blows and therefore why those handlings weren't working.

He also could have been on drugs and thought that a small admission at the time.

Hubbard knew if you allow a person communicate freely about Scientology or in cult-ease for those of you lurking cult members who are English challenged "handle his or her ARC BKs" , there would no longer be a Scientology.

It was either let people in on the truth and tell them his Tech never delivered what he promised to begin with and it was just a hypnotic con game, or find a way to keep the con game going.

He obviously choose the latter, blame the failures of his fantasy game, on the character and moral shortcomings of the people who are playing it.

When you stop and think about a pile of shit like Hubbard questioning the ethics and morality of anyone else is about as laughable as Charlie Sheen telling someone who takes aspirin they have a drug problem ... oh yeah Hubbard did that too.

 

[Sindy]

Hubbard knew if you allow a person communicate freely about Scientology or in cult-ease for those of you lurking cult members who are English challenged "handle his or her ARC BKs" , there would no longer be a Scientology.

It was either let people in on the truth and tell them his Tech never delivered what he promised to begin with and it was just a hypnotic con game, or find a way to keep the con game going.

He obviously choose the latter, blame the failures of his fantasy game, on the character and moral shortcomings of the people who are playing it.

When you stop and think about a pile of shit like Hubbard questioning the ethics and morality of anyone else is about as laughable as Charlie Sheen telling someone who takes aspirin they have a drug problem ... oh yeah Hubbard did that too.

All true! I was responding to a question about why he let his guard down at the moment and admitted the truth.

What do you say about that?

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

All true! I was responding to a question about why he let his guard down at the moment and admitted the truth.

What do you say about that?

If I had to guess, as with all drunks or drug addicts, he was caught in a moment of weakness and showed a little vulnerability by allowing his fears to be voiced, and I bet when that moment passed the people around him paid dearly for it ... as is the case with most dictators.

He probably also forgot from time to time that most of followers were not mindless ronbots like Miscavige and wanted a little more out of Scientology than being an abusive lieutenant or jail warden in his fake navy.

 

[Kookaburra]

Welcome Gwells!

By reading Robin Scott's & Bill Franks chat on FB the message seems genuine.

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=201383003211443&id=100001929720618

Thank you Bill!

I read this chat. The entire OP is posted on Bill Frank's wall and is part of a long conversation between computer semi literates about the difficulties encountered trying to get this posted on ESMB.

Bill Franks Dear Marccy, Iposted the entire story to the "webmaster'on exscn.net" under "contact us". I just wrote to this person again asking if I could at least get a acknowlegement of having received this. best the wogman
Thursday at 7:28am

So it's somewhere in Emma's in basket by the looks of it. They are also trying to sort out the registration process.

So yes, it's really Bill Franks. And Gregg Wells helping out.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Astonishing! - That this 'information' about O/W's not being the cause for blows seems that important...

Well, allright.. I always took the O/W's idea to be total twaddle. Even when I was in.. But the O/W's 'tech' certainly replaced Dianetics and all other 'wonderful tech' in the Guadian's Office.. Was one of the reasons I blew in fact.. Ahh.. I had the overt of considering the O/W's tech twaddle?

But of course.. I realize that this was a primary part of the mindfuck.

 

[Infinite]

. . . <snip> . . . We waited and waited and about 0300 hrs a messenger came down with a Despatch written by LRH. My memory does not recall any folders being returned. The despatch was entitled Very Confidential underlined. "He went onto say that if you or Franks ever reveal any of this information that I am about to reveal, the consequences will be severe for SCN."
He then wrote" a person does not blow due Overts or Witholds. He blows only due to ARC BKs" . . . <snip> . . .

DOX PLOX.

 

[Sindy]

DOX PLOX.

Infinite, my dear, on this one I would respectfully suggest that we graciously invite and then accept the man onto the board and hear everything he has to say. He has a wealth of knowledge and I, for one, want to hear every morsel of it and I also think it will do him a world of good to tell it.

You can then ask for as much documentation as the guy can possibly give, but, let's get him here and welcomed first before we DOX or STFU him away from even arriving. Would that be fair?

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks Face!

Okay gwells. I should be in bed and I'm headin' there after this post.

I guess your "Bill Franks" forgot that he wasn't on the Apollo in '74.:confused2:

But, as you are "obviously" his trusted confidant, I’m sure you can tell me just exactly where he was and what his post during ’74. There are many more “holes” in your post but, for now, I’m “keeping my powder dry”.

Please confer with “Bill” and respond to my statement and inquiry re: ’74.

Face

Face, this is really an interesting story and interchange of ideas!! Eagerly looking forward to Gwells response to your challenge and any follow ups to what you may write.

With your permission, I would like to post your post onto the "The Old Days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973". Would this be okay with you?
Lakey