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- Junior was not the only Duggan child that had been sent to South Africa – one had also been sent to live with OT8 Heidi Wolfaardt, another was somewhere else.
Hello all. I am a long-time poster at Tony O's and long-time lurker here. Just wanted to say thanks to all who helped expose this story. While I feel deeply that Miscavige deserves as much J&D as possible, I'm pleased to see that some of the whales that help prop up this fraud are getting exposed too. I am disgusted by the actions of the adults in this situation and my heart breaks for these children. They didn't ask for this. Keep speaking out folks, every story is important. Miscavige, Duggans, etc....Karma is a b***h, and she's coming for you.
I agree with Rinder on this and his writing is clear, direct and makes sense unlike his friend Rathbun's writing.Important observations by Mike Rinder and resulting conversation.
http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-whale-horror-story/#comment-65376
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Mike Rinder says
October 17, 2014 at 8:16 am
The discussions about whether this boy is or is not a sociopath or some other categorization are a waste of time:
1. They entirely miss the point — which is that these people have dumped a child in South Africa and this is apparently arranged by the “church” who report back to them on progress in exchange for continuing blood money for their fraudulent “ideal orgs” program and direct payments to the church. The foster parents are prominent members of the church and cheerleaders for the fraud.
2. Nobody who hasnt met this boy and observed him personally has any idea of his ACTUAL mental state. Passing judgment on him is inappropriate and unkind.
3. Speculating about his future state is even more inappropriate
Please, stick to the subject.
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Chee chalker says
October 17, 2014 at 10:42 am
I think his mental illness is relevant to the extent that he is not getting help from his parents because the Co$ prevents any kind of psychiatric care. You are corect that speculation as to his condition might not be helpful, but it is part of the story. (Assuming his parents dumped him in SA because they could not handle his psychiatric condition).
I don’t think you can simply say “x was dumped in SA and his parents are paying the church to look after him” without acknowledging the reason the parents dumped him in the first place. If the Co$ did not discredit psychology, then maybe x could get treatment in the US.
I don’t want to belabor the point of his illness either and I do agree that speculation doesn’t help matters, but I do think his illness is relevant. Sorry, I hope that makes sense, I know I was rambling there!
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Mike Rinder says
October 17, 2014 at 12:20 pm
I think information from direct observation is valid. Speculation about his mental state is not.
Would this be less of a story if the purported reason for him being sent to S Africa was that Trish Duggan was too tired to care for him? Or he was ugly? Or he wet his bed?
The focus should not be on the CHILD, but the actions of the parents and church.
You “assume” the parents dumped him in SA because they could not handle his psychiatric condition…
But what proof is there that he HAS a “psychiatric condition”? And why are there TWO kids in SA? The other one apparently NOT a problem (though I don’t really know that, I am only aware of the information provided in the Tony O story and the S African blog story and it all comes from people that know about THIS kid, not the other one).
His “illness” would appear to be being an unwanted child for whatever reason that is. And I personally call that a parental illness, not a childhood one.
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I only state all this because *UNUSUAL FAVORS* to a Sea Org Member from the Public is a HIGH Crime. RPFable if not RPF's RPF.
So how on earth was this permitted !
Sadly, the Florida Dept of Children and Families is about as worthless as the one here in Los Angeles. I would suggest that all complaints go to the federal level (FBI, Dept. of Justice, Homeland Security (Immigration) which are less likely to brush it under the rug.
What an epic fail for Scientology.
This is the organization whose aim is to eradicate psychiatry because Scientology has the ONLY valid mental health tech on the planet.
This is the organization that is run by the Sea Org whose aim is to put ethics in on the planet.
Their biggest donors have a problem child and Scientology's solution is to send him away to South Africa.
They are a bunch of deluded hypocrites.
Child welfare people can be energetic when dealing with people who have no influence, nor the money to hire serious legal representation.
What is interesting to me is why an intelligent couple like the Duggans donate so much money to a harmful organized crime syndicate like Scientology instead of a charity that helps instead of hurts people.
What is interesting to me is why an intelligent couple like the Duggans donate so much money to a harmful organized crime syndicate like Scientology instead of a charity that helps instead of hurts people.
If I worked for him at his pharmaceutical company called Pharmacyclics, I would be embarrassed.
Janssen is a partner with them on Imbruvica, the medication that made Duggan a billionaire:
And now AstraZeneca:
http://ir.pharmacyclics.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=880207
BigFan! wrote:
I'm trying to figure out what all the fuss is about!
It looks like no one on this site has a clue to what Pharmacyclics' drug actually does.
If anyone spent more than a minute being blinded by their hatred of the Church, you could probably spend
a minute doing research on Pharmacyclics, what its drug does, what it's competitor drugs do (one has a black box warning and REMS),
one might be inclined to say "oh crap, Pharmacyclics is actually saving people's lives."
That being said, if most of you are so interested in Bob's money, why on Earth wouldn't you have invested in Pharmacyclics?
From .50 cents when Bob took it over in 2009 to well past $120 today! Some of you could have become pretty wealthy.
Bummer to think prejudice kept you from getting rich.
This chain has been going so long and everyone seems to know something about the Duggans except how to replicate their wealth.
Don't get me wrong: becoming a billionaire isn't easy, but truth be told, if you spent half the time reading a book about investing as you do bashing people
who donate to the church, you might be in a much better station in life.
Just food for thought.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthew...-a-billionaire-will-long-term-success-follow/There’s always a good deal of luck involved in biotech. In Duggan’s case, he had a sleeper in the pipeline: Imbruvica, which turned out to be a potent treatment for chronic lymphocytic leukemia, shrinking tumors in 58% of patients failed by all other drugs, and mantle cell lymphoma, a rarer disease. Johnson & Johnson JNJ +0.97% inked a $975 million deal to copromote Imbruvica in 2011, beating out other Big Pharmas, and Pharmacyclics’ stock has risen fortyfold since that fateful phone call, turning his stake into a $1.4 billion fortune.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/b...oper-marketing-case.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&Johnson & Johnson has agreed to pay more than $2.2 billion in criminal and civil fines to settle accusations that it improperly promoted the antipsychotic drug Risperdal to older adults, children and people with developmental disabilities, the Justice Department said on Monday.
http://www.cchr.org/about-us/what-is-cchr.htmlCCHR functions solely as a mental health watchdog, working alongside many medical professionals including doctors, scientists, nurses and those few psychiatrists who have taken a stance against the biological/drug model of “disease” that is continually promoted by the psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry as a way to sell drugs. It is a nonpolitical, nonreligious, nonprofit organization dedicated solely to eradicating mental health abuse and enacting patient and consumer protections. CCHR’s Board of Advisers, called Commissioners, include doctors, scientists, psychologists, lawyers, legislators, educators, business professionals, artists and civil and human rights representatives.
People frequently ask if CCHR is of the opinion that no one should ever take psychiatric drugs, but this website is not dedicated to opinion. It is dedicated to providing information that a multibillion dollar psycho/pharmaceutical industry does not want people to see or to know. The real question therefore is this: Do people have a right to have all the information about (A) the known risks of the drugs and/or treatment from unbiased, nonconflicted medical review, (B) the medical validity of the diagnosis for which drugs are being prescribed, (C) all nondrug options (essentially informed consent) and (D) the right to refuse any treatment they consider harmful.