ESMB and The Freezone - let's have it out!

[Roan]

Wake up.

All the letters in the title of the message board are capitalized. Your "reading into" the capitalization of Scientologist in the title of the message board is akin to a Gypsy reading spilled tea leaves.

If you're a S/scientologist that does not make you a bad person, but if you're a S/scientologist you can't possibly be an ex-S/scientologist. It's kind of sad that you can't seem to get that. Folks like you and Fluffy have parsed yourselves into a never-land of nonsense with this kind of crap.

Someday you'll have to give it up... I wish you luck with that.

 

[Smitty]

reply to Terril Park

However I support and promote " standard tech".

I don't think that anyone here would dispute that.

Its very intersting to me to have read so far several accounts of people who found the FZ helpful re leaving COS but then left it for other tech or perhaps no tech. If that was all I achieved by promoting the FZ I would feel I've done something worthwhile.

Perhaps just a diversion during their journeys out of scientology hell.

However I've seen so many examples of " miracles" of one sort or another from " standard tech".

In my 28 years in scientology, I have seen some people benefit, but I have never seen any "miracles" as you claim. Perhaps you see some miracle in some of Hubbard's products like comm evs, SP declares, PTS declares, overboards, RPF, RPF's RPF, Fair Game, enforced disconnection. Perhaps Quentin Hubbard and L. Ron Hubbard Jr. saw some miracles as well, but both suffered great tragedy from their own father, L. Ron Hubbard.
You can have your delusions, Terril, but I no longer want you spreading those here.
Smitty

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Removed - Thor

I don't know who Fluffers might be ( I can't find any nick on any Scn forums like that) , but she sounds really weird. Certainly like no-one I'd want to emulate.

I wouldn't want this forum to turn into anything other than what Emma's vision for it is and I know that the "Ex Church of Scientology RTC, CST scientologist Message Board" thing definitely isn't it.

I've said that I'd support any no proselytization rule or any rule or change that Emma implemented. So, "Fluffers", whoever you are, you're an evil bitch and Roan's got your number. This is one imaginary lady who must be stopped at all costs, such is the extent of her depravity.

 

[Pixie]

If anyone disagrees with my decision, I'd suggest they PM Emma. In the meantime I will delete all references to this post. Repeated reposting will result in a temporary ban.

If anyone doesn't like that, they're welcome to take it up with Emma.

Thor

Thor I feel you are quite sharp and unessecerily harsh considering you are a 'moderator'. Moderators in my mind are there to do just that, 'moderate', not go off into a rant of power hungry slamming! I for one personaly don't like the way you communicate and I don't get good 'vibes' from you either. You have gained little respect from me on this forum and I don't care what you think or don't think about that, however I AM as we all are here, entitled to our opinion, and this 'Thor' is mine!

 

[acertainratio]

Just how egregious of an ethics violation (I'm talking about real world ethics violation, real ethics not your crackpot Scientology Ethics) has to occur for some you putty-brains to realize that NOTHING GOOD comes of trying to practice Scientology?!? It's a rank, vile waste body of knowledge that needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

What's next?!? A Freezone auditor molesting a child PC and then you Ron-Bots will STILL defend your fucking "freedom" to practice your deluded pile of nonsense?!?!?

The party is over, Freezoners. You've been un-masked to show exactly what you are.

I'm sorry Paul, I respect you as a person and as a "historian" of Scientology but I am really, REALLY ANGRY ABOUT THIS!!

I have no problem with your post and can't see any reason why it should have been deleted.

You put your point very forcefully, but I don't see why that should be a problem.

 

[Dulloldfart]

This sort of expression IMO is all part of the healing process and should therefore be allowed to be expressed of course on the correct thread and not blatantly in others faces as is with the freezone.

Yes and no. There are lots of places to vent, like YouTube, ars, OCMB, or the bathroom. ESMB is generally fairly harmonious and free-flowing, which is quite amazing if you compare it to ANY other forum on the Net that deals with Scientology that I know of (I don't know about Ex-Scn Kids). Acrimonious rants don't belong here.

Paul

 

[Pixie]

I have no problem with your post and can't see any reason why it should have been deleted.

You put your point very forcefully, but I don't see why that should be a problem.

Neither do I, I am starting to think 'Thor' is on some sort of power trip.

 

[Alanzo]

I think this is an excellent post. A fine post.

Look all those cuss words, all that invesctive, seething with emotion!

It is beautiful!!

Only Nurse Ratched would ever try to suppress this.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

No problem Cat's (or is it Squirrel for short ? )

Zander

Cats without the apostrophe, for preference. It's the title of a long forgotten track by a 60's British rock band called Cream.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Emma, thanks for expressing your concerns. This is the Ex-Scientologist Message Board.
I left the cofs in 2005 before this board existed. Finding scientology outside the cofs only takes a websearch. At that time, I still wanted scientology and even got some auditing outside the cofs. After six months however, the brainwashing I had received for the previous 28 years wore off and I found that the Independent Field had much more to offer.
Emma, please take a look at the policies of the various freezone groups on their email lists towards the postings of Independent Field information. They are absolutely opposed to freedom of speech on their lists and actively ban any Independent Field people who dare to post anything other than L. Ron Hubbard information.
I would suggest that the freezone forums on this board be terminated. The scientologists outside the cofs can take their prosletyzing somewhere else.
Smitty

What if a non CofS Scn'ist wants to post here but doesn't want to proselytize? I've yet to see Tansy proselytize, for example.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

ESMB is generally fairly harmonious and free-flowing, which is quite amazing if you compare it to ANY other forum on the Net that deals with Scientology that I know of ...

I second that motion.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Smitty]

comment to Roan

Just how egregious of an ethics violation (I'm talking about real world ethics violation, real ethics not your crackpot Scientology Ethics) has to occur for some you putty-brains to realize that NOTHING GOOD comes of trying to practice Scientology?!? It's a rank, vile waste body of knowledge that needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

What's next?!? A Freezone auditor molesting a child PC and then you Ron-Bots will STILL defend your fucking "freedom" to practice your deluded pile of nonsense?!?!?

The party is over, Freezoners. You've been un-masked to show exactly what you are.

I'm sorry Paul, I respect you as a person and as a "historian" of Scientology but I am really, REALLY ANGRY ABOUT THIS!!

All correct points, Roan, but please stay cool. Redirect your energy to fight the good fight.
Smitty

 

[Moderator 3]

Thor I feel you are quite sharp and unessecerily harsh considering you are a 'moderator'. Moderators in my mind are there to do just that, 'moderate', not go off into a rant of power hungry slamming! I for one personaly don't like the way you communicate and I don't get good 'vibes' from you either. You have gained little respect from me on this forum and I don't care what you think or don't think about that, however I AM as we all are here, entitled to our opinion, and this 'Thor' is mine!

You're welcome to it. And welcome to complain. However, if a post is deleted, it's because it's intended to be deleted, and no amount of reposting will get by that. There can be differences of opinion, and, they're welcome, however, there is no question that a moderator can and will delete posts that go beyond a certain level of respect for other posters. Anyone whose posts might have been removed is welcome to object, whether privately or publicly, as long as they're not repeating the original removed post here.

Usually a minimum of moderation is needed here on ESMB, and, that's the way it should be. But, moderators are charged with making their own decisions, and, everyone else is welcome to criticize them.

Thor

 

[Pixie]

Yes and no. There are lots of places to vent, like YouTube, ars, OCMB, or the bathroom. ESMB is generally fairly harmonious and free-flowing, which is quite amazing if you compare it to ANY other forum on the Net that deals with Scientology that I know of (I don't know about Ex-Scn Kids). Acrimonious rants don't belong here.

Paul

I agree DOF, so what you're saying is that it's ok to take total and blatant insults and just say nothing back? Not my style Dull Old Fart, I've taken it enough from the fucking scilons, I'm not about to take it from anyone in here. I will not as I said to Terril before be spoken to like a pice of dog turd, accused of being OSA and expect to be 'fucking' with him, no thank you, freedom of speech INCLUDES standing up for what you believe to be right and relearning once again to set boundaries for ourselves which were also trashed while inside the cult. No one is going to ever talk to me like that again I don't give a flying fuck who they are, freezoner, moderator or not!

 

[acertainratio]

Cats without the apostrophe, for preference. It's the title of a long forgotten track by a 60's British rock band called Cream.

Not forgotten by me - I still love them.

You'se obviersley a classy dame with greyt taste.

 

[Smitty]

reply to fluffy

What if a non CofS Scn'ist wants to post here but doesn't want to proselytize? I've yet to see Tansy proselytize, for example.

Please re-read my post. I requested that the freezone forums be terminated. FZ'ers can still post. I don't advocate their exclusion, but their forums are not in harmony with the purpose of the Ex-Scientologist Message Board.
Smitty

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Just how egregious of an ethics violation (I'm talking about real world ethics violation, real ethics not your crackpot Scientology Ethics) has to occur for some you putty-brains to realize that NOTHING GOOD comes of trying to practice Scientology?!? It's a rank, vile waste body of knowledge that needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

What's next?!? A Freezone auditor molesting a child PC and then you Ron-Bots will STILL defend your fucking "freedom" to practice your deluded pile of nonsense?!?!?

The party is over, Freezoners. You've been un-masked to show exactly what you are.

I'm sorry Paul, I respect you as a person and as a "historian" of Scientology but I am really, REALLY ANGRY ABOUT THIS!!

I think people are individuals, Roan. There are Freezoners to whom I wouldn't give the time of day and have said so on this thread. But not everyone does the same things or thinks the same things. Not all Freezoners have been "unmasked"- just the one has. Because any time one attributes motives to people that are unstated, undemonstrated, etc, by those people because of what someone else did, one doesn't know one darn thing about those people's motives. One is only speculating and, perhaps, presenting that as fact.

When I first came to a.r.s. I was told that all critics were suppressive and bad. I found out that hardly any were and was able to make friends with many and have friendly exchanges with many others. It was an unfair untrue generality and it turned out that everyone in the critic's scene was an individual with all sorts of different types of people participating in a.r.s. and on another forums, going to pickets, etc.

I would never assume that Jane Doe Critic was just like Susie J Every-critic because the latter had posted stuff she heard about someone's- oh I don't know- high school days or something.

 

[Roan]

Just how egregious of an ethics violation (I'm talking about real world ethics violation, real ethics not your crackpot Scientology Ethics) has to occur for some you putty-brains to realize that NOTHING GOOD comes of trying to practice Scientology?!? It's a rank, vile waste body of knowledge that needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

What's next?!? A Freezone auditor molesting a child PC and then you Ron-Bots will STILL defend your fucking "freedom" to practice your deluded pile of nonsense?!?!?

The party is over, Freezoners. You've been un-masked to show exactly what you are.

I'm sorry Paul, I respect you as a person and as a "historian" of Scientology but I am really, REALLY ANGRY ABOUT THIS!!

 

[Alanzo]

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I mean just look at the use of smilies in the post.

He's got everything...puzzlement...pulling hair out...Anger....

He's even got one that you can't see!!

It's a work of art and qualifies for protection just for that!

 

[Pixie]

You're welcome to it. And welcome to complain. However, if a post is deleted, it's because it's intended to be deleted, and no amount of reposting will get by that. There can be differences of opinion, and, they're welcome, however, there is no question that a moderator can and will delete posts that go beyond a certain level of respect for other posters. Anyone whose posts might have been removed is welcome to object, whether privately or publicly, as long as they're not repeating the original removed post here.

Usually a minimum of moderation is needed here on ESMB, and, that's the way it should be. But, moderators are charged with making their own decisions, and, everyone else is welcome to criticize them.

Thor

So!! Let me ask you this then?? Why the fuck was Terrils post to me not 'deleted' then?? Why is it Thor that he got away with snidy personal comments and yet I was not allowed to protect myself from this???? Answer me that! What you're saying here too then is that it's ok for him and Bakerboy to disrespect me but I'm not allowed to disrespect them back?? This smacks of double standards here, there's something very wrong here, and don't worry, I don't need you to tell me whether I can PM Emma or not, this is not your fucking forum, it's hers! Well I'm glad at least you are actually giving me 'permission' to criticize you, or will this be deleted too??