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Div6 said:
Saw Jon Mervine standing outside the new org about 6 months ago. Not sure what he was up to. Tony Turrisi is still "in" you can see pictures of him in some of the Anon raid pics.

Jeff Rusby was another ECP'er, as was Bill Page. Haven't run into either in quite a while.
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Last I heard Mervine was working for a government contracting selling computers and software - something like a GTSI.

Rusby was still in as of 2003. Check out the bottom of this from FCDC Ability Mag, August 2003:

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/orgs/dc_ability/dc_ability_370.html

You'll probably recognize plenty of other names on that list as well.
 
Pliny Younger said:
DIdn't know Chuck was course admin.

Foss WAS my auditor at FCDC.
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Yeah, Chuck was a course admin when I first got there. Foss was a supervisor first. When I left he was the Basic Course supervisor. Chuck told me that he was at an anti-war rally and afterwards fell asleep on a bench. When he woke up he said a ticket for the free lecture was in his shirt pocket. That's his story.
We had a couple of people who walked in the door as hippies. Skip Murgatroyd was one of them. He was a great guy. Joe Savikas and John Ruane walked in the door as hippies. They were made into supervisors too. William Burdwood was a hippie, but he was made an auditor. My guess is that E. James McDonough, who was in Qual, was also a hippie. There were probaly many more on the 1972-1973 staff who were hippies, or at least with the mindset. I think that's why it worked.
By 1976-1977 Bill Franks was there and people were reading Ayn Rand. I think that's why it turned nasty.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 
The Anabaptist Jacques said:
Yeah, Chuck was a course admin when I first got there. Foss was a supervisor first. When I left he was the Basic Course supervisor. Chuck told me that he was at an anti-war rally and afterwards fell asleep on a bench. When he woke up he said a ticket for the free lecture was in his shirt pocket. That's his story.
We had a couple of people who walked in the door as hippies. Skip Murgatroyd was one of them. He was a great guy. Joe Savikas and John Ruane walked in the door as hippies. They were made into supervisors too. William Burdwood was a hippie, but he was made an auditor. My guess is that E. James McDonough, who was in Qual, was also a hippie. There were probaly many more on the 1972-1973 staff who were hippies, or at least with the mindset. I think that's why it worked.
By 1976-1977 Bill Franks was there and people were reading Ayn Rand. I think that's why it turned nasty.

The Anabaptist Jacques
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Interesting story on Chuck. Don't think I said a word to him in DC. Became good friends in LA.

Joe Savikas, forgot about him. I knew him a little in DC. I got to know him better in LA after I moved out there. Very likable guy.
 
Chuck Judge

Chuck was an unindicted co-conspirator with Snow White, as was Baum. He worked at the Washington Post, used their computers, and was personally fired by Donald Graham after The Raid.
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The Anabaptist Jacques said:
There were probaly many more on the 1972-1973 staff who were hippies, or at least with the mindset. I think that's why it worked.
By 1976-1977 Bill Franks was there and people were reading Ayn Rand. I think that's why it turned nasty.

The Anabaptist Jacques
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No doubt that the arrival of Franks marked a big transition in the orgs atmosphere, but you have to admit there was plenty of nastiness before Franks got there. He did not start the practice of verbal and physical intimidation - just took it to new levels.

Interesting comment on the movement from hippies to Ann Ryand. I traveled that little path of personal development - I think it was common then - in and out of Scientology. I've met plenty of people who marked one stage of their life with Atlas Shrugged.
 
Long Gone said:
Interesting comment on the movement from hippies to Ann Ryand. I traveled that little path of personal development - I think it was common then - in and out of Scientology. I've met plenty of people who marked one stage of their life with Atlas Shrugged.
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I'm one of those - back then and now. I've read the book 4 times and listened to it once on CD. The concept of keeping your integrity and the value of each person's contribution is very important to me!
 
Long Gone said:
No doubt that the arrival of Franks marked a big transition in the orgs atmosphere, but you have to admit there was plenty of nastiness before Franks got there. He did not start the practice of verbal and physical intimidation - just took it to new levels.

Interesting comment on the movement from hippies to Ann Ryand. I traveled that little path of personal development - I think it was common then - in and out of Scientology. I've met plenty of people who marked one stage of their life with Atlas Shrugged.
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Me too. :)
Well, The Fountainhead and a lot of Rand's essays, at least.
 
Please tell me

It's been said that there was "nastiness" at "fcdc" prior to Bill Franks arrival. Pray tell -please -give me examples of said nastiness. I'm sincere in this request. I was on staff at that time-BUT- I made sure that I was out out on the road maybe 4 to 6 days a week- as I hated the life of being a staff member. Yes- I was doing my assigned staff duties while being out of the org- so I missed the "nastiness" and never heard about it till now. If you could name - names - it would help- but if you can't- ok, as much detail as you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
uncle sam said:
It's been said that there was "nastiness" at "fcdc" prior to Bill Franks arrival. Pray tell -please -give me examples of said nastiness. I'm sincere in this request. I was on staff at that time-BUT- I made sure that I was out out on the road maybe 4 to 6 days a week- as I hated the life of being a staff member. Yes- I was doing my assigned staff duties while being out of the org- so I missed the "nastiness" and never heard about it till now. If you could name - names - it would help- but if you can't- ok, as much detail as you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks.
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If you didn't commit so many overts you wouldn't have felt the need to "blow" the Org so frequently. I'm just kidding, I believe that overt motivator concept shit about as much as I believe in fairies and I don't believe in fairies.

"I have a photographic memory but once in a while I forget to take off the lens cap" - Milton Berle. Milton who? as you youngsters are saying to yourself right now. Google Uncle Miltie, I'm too lazy to explain.

I doubt any of these recollections of events that occurred 35 years ago are entirely accurate. I believe we all can mix up past experience and end up creating, biased, reconstructed memories no matter how well intentioned and accurate we try to be.

As psychologist Daniel Schacter states "remembering the past is not merely a matter of activating or awakening a dormant trace or picture in the mind, but instead involves a far more complex interaction between the current environment, what one expects to remember, and what is retained from the past. Suggestive techniques tilt the balance among these contributors so that present influences play a much larger role in determining what is what is remembered than what actually happened in the past."

I believe this applies to auditing as well, and auditing is in my opinion, little more than mental masturbation. In either case you end up with a wet tissue (or not)and little of lasting value, unless you continually effort to recreate it. So you can see that recalling something 35 years ago and something that is alleged to have occurred 75 million years ago might be a bit inaccurate. :soapbox:

At the risk of being called a flip flopper, and to satisfy some of your craving and suggestion, let me tell you about a general recollection I have of Dave Richards after a particularly evil Sea Org Mission descended on good old FCDC.

I know you know and you know I know, you know Dave Richards very well and Dave was a nice mellow fellow from the wilds of Canada, however, after the "Mission" he turned into a screaming, raving lunatic, stat hungry product officer. You could tell it was a role he wasn't comfortable playing...... at first. He got used to it, very, very used to it because he was brainwashed like the rest of us, with the exception of those who were busy running around the country wineing and dining the marks.
 
He'was a fine fellow indeed

know you know and you know I know, you know Dave Richards very well and Dave was a nice mellow fellow from the wilds of Canada, however, after the "Mission" he turned into a screaming, raving lunatic, stat hungry product officer. You could tell it was a role he wasn't comfortable playing...... at first. He got used to it, very, very used to it because he was brainwashed like the rest of us, with the exception of those who were busy running around the country wineing and dining the marks.[/QUOTE]

What actually happen was -they paid for wineing and dining and made sure that I was a happy fellow. Sometimes-when I happened to be away for a long time- DM would order me back to the org but he always made sure that some new good looking female theatan would help me unpack and make sure that my ruds were in. It was always a happy homecoming. Dave was no fool.:happydance:
 
You guys are spoiling Camelot! But it is true that Dave and the org changed after the March 1974 mission. It got heavier, with lots of false stating and stat pushing and product pressure. But it wasn't personally nasty like it was under Franks. Dave did not physically hit people, as I saw Franks do once. Dave did not press a lit cigarette into a girl's arm. I know of someone Franks did that to. I didn't see it, but she told me. True, when Dave got back in the spring of 1974 things got heavy, but it didn't get as nasty and personal as it did under Franks.
Under Dave, after the spring of 1974, the D of Ts and the HASes were busted like musical chairs, and there was more than one Cope Officer who couldn't cope. That's when the Birthday Game started, by the way.
I have a photographic memory, but I keep forgetting to buy film.
It is not just force, but style. Franks hit people. But the only violence I saw before him was once when Jeff Deitz grabbed Paul Wasserman in the hallway. Another time was during the 1974 mission (I think it was then) when Harvey Littmann stormed into the HQS course room and demanded that the supervisor Sydney Davis "Buy this book!" I didn't actually see the acting D of T, Sheryl Lowe, Liccardi, et. al. hit him. But I could hear her clipboard ricochet off his head. We all got a big laugh from Harvey's lack of survival instincts and the image of it. It wasn't as nasty as under Franks.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 
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Evidently I missed the Shangri-la period pre-spring of 74. And when did Franks arrive - spring of 75? I don't recall exactly, but in that period from l mid 74 until he did arrive I do recall daily acts of yelling (in your face yelling) and intimidation of mostly staff but sometimes public too (generally students - paying pc's were too valuable I guess), routine "recovery" missions to bring back blown pc's, students, and staff - usually accomplished by threats or lies or both, and constant deprivation of personal time with everyone working day and foundation orgs and often staying late for all hands. Maybe thats not everyones definition of nasty but, still and, all not pleasant either.

That being said, it had its Camelot moments and to be honest, I have many fond memories of that time. It does seem though that I should be directing a little belated jealousy at Uncle Sam since I did not get the same treatment he evidently did.

And, to the point of Franks' arrival: I remember the day he arrived and I saw him coming up the first set of stairs to the second floor being followed by a several Sea Org members. As I recall (could be faulty) he was wearing a light blue suit (might have been seersucker) and had his sunglasses on. He looked as mean as a man could look in a light blue suit (pretty mean actually) and announced that he was taking over the org. StarWars did not get released for a couple more years but in retrospect Franks made a fine Darth Vader that afternoon.
 
fcdc 1971-1974

Those years were the fun years. Very little sea org-everyone was young-everyone had such bright hopes and dreams- Jimi Hendrix played in the background. Very few had much auditing-just enough to wet one's whistle some had sup training a bunch of class 4s but no higher, that was the key to success- no one had much scientology- it was still a dream - a mystery. Dave Richards was from that genre- Franks was not he was sea org all the way. Truly - I did miss the nastiness- by my lucky stars I guess. I remember once Don Cooper wanted to take ethics actions against moi. I wasn't interested and went home to sleep- Dave intervened and put Cooper back into his cage. Somehow I did manage to have the org pay for my OT levels and once I finished those I wanted to do the SHSBC so with one phone call to my old pal Dave- he oked it and so I routed on and got another long break from staff work. I finally had to go back to fcdc as an OT7 Class 6 - fully interned and there I met Bill Franks-we had a 5 minute meeting and that was when I decided- nope-no more of this-goodbye.:thumbsup:
 
Some people did get preferential treatment. I know I sure did. By the summer of 1974 when Don Cooper went on his ethics rage of arbitrarily putting people in lower conditions, he never once threatened me. In fact, he always praised me. By 1975 when Bobby Wisner turned the org upside down, facing ripping people, he never interfered in my area. In fact, he always deferred to me. So I never had the problems with Cooper or Wisner that others did. I always felt it was because Dave Richards was looking out for me.
I would often end up in the EPF. But it wasn’t punishment, it was rest and relaxation. I’d work with Tony Settons without being under any pressure. I would dread being put back on post.
It was stressful, but civilized.
Under Franks it was stressful and uncivilized, and sometimes violent. Franks always had one of his thugs nearby; that’s what they were--thugs. But people have different ways of looking at things. I’ve seen some of his thugs praised as good guys on this very thread by people who came later and did not know any better.
People worked for Dave Richards, but people worked under Bill Franks. Dave on his worst day was better than Franks was on his best day. That was my experience.
After one year under Franks, the best staff members were kicked-off and most ended up at the Gloor’s playing Risk on Friday nights.
When I was physically escorted out of the org by two of Franks’ goons, I cursed him at the time. Now I’m glad I was kicked out. But I still curse Franks.
These are my memories put through the sifter of time.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 
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