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FCDC circa 1970

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GoButtonIsBlowButton

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First as a public, then as a staff...

To give some idea of how out-of-it management and staff were... I paid for 150 hours of auditing, and over a period of a year, received it, travelling each weekend to get it. I had to be there at 9am, and it didn't matter that I had a regular job and lived several hundred miles away. I had to be audited all day, whether I liked it or not. And worst of all, I was usually seated in front of an obviously tired, sometimes unbathed or brushed post-teen in a room, hot in summer and cold in winter, crawling with bugs and smelling of BO, garbage, and ass. Seriously. And these were the apartments of the staff.

There was no attempt to cater to the customer at all. Brilliant LRH tech.

I was told I was PTS by Wisner when I brought it up later as a staff. Why? A public was regged who lived north of Baltimore. He owned controlling interest in the Noxell Corporation, and could have bought and sold LRH. He hated to drive, and offered to bring the C/S and anyone else needed to his home to do the auditing. Noooooo, Wisner and Gloor (who at the time had snapped, gone 1.1, and called the pc "Capt. Noxema") forced him to drive down from his house on the org's schedule. He had put $20k down, and in frustration, simply quit, telling us we could keep the money. Nobody noticed or cared, least of all the management.

Gloor has since done well in his business, perhaps learning the hard way from his time at FCDC.
 
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Long Gone

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I lived in the same building as Long Gone. My favorite memories were Shoup at the door with his German Shepherd, looking for his rent (we were just a bit in arrears) and roaches the size of rats. DC rats at that. They chased us out of our apartment when we fled to a motel in MD one night.


The dog. I had a memory of Shoup and the dog too, but thought it was just too cliche and figured I was just fabricating it. But no. You are right. He came a'collecting with his pooch.

And the roaches. Everywhere. Makes me cringe just thinking about it.

I dont remember everyone in the unit I lived in, but Billy Jones was one of the people.
 

nozeno

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I know you're not going to believe this but...

One time in an auditing session I went to the future and I came back with a name for Mr. Shoup.

I started calling him Shoup Doggy Dog.
 

uncle sam

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To Anabaptist-

What a great name you created "Anabaptist" is that from your Lutheran background [certainly not your Catholic education]?
Help an old fellow out what posts did you hold? I'm thinkin you did some div6 stuff but not reggin. And you certainly were not the "intellectual"that you are now, no offense but sometimes when I read your posts I have a hard time picturing you as you were to the man [with a mind] you are now. What caused the "big" change? Did you go back to school? If so, what curriculum did you take? What is your current post[ie,lawyer-professor]?
 

Long Gone

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Candide

What a great name you created "Anabaptist" is that from your Lutheran background [certainly not your Catholic education]?
Help an old fellow out what posts did you hold? I'm thinkin you did some div6 stuff but not reggin. And you certainly were not the "intellectual"that you are now, no offense but sometimes when I read your posts I have a hard time picturing you as you were to the man [with a mind] you are now. What caused the "big" change? Did you go back to school? If so, what curriculum did you take? What is your current post[ie,lawyer-professor]?

I always figured TAJ was literary and telling us that he was a kind but pessimistic soul, ala Jacques the Anapabtist from Candide.

Whatever he did at the org he made more money than I. I'm pretty sure I never saw a $200 payday when I collected my alms from Jane Condon (Layton) on Friday afternoons (or whatever day it was we got paid).
 

uncle sam

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For dinner

Often my meals were cabbage-.10 cents a lb with some cheese-the cheapest we could find-and a real treat was when Dan Demming would bring leftovers from the restaurant were he bussed tables back to the org for some of us lucky ones. I do know some folks made the Safeway Store their personal pantry. They stole their dinner. all for a good cause-of course! No names-but you would be surprised. Crap- I get very angry ,still, over the whole "greater good" hog wash. It's not easy to say we were young and stupid and to take responsibility for our personal misjudgments. Lots of us are still to this day paying the price for crossing the "bridge".
 

Long Gone

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Townehouse

Often my meals were cabbage-.10 cents a lb with some cheese-the cheapest we could find-and a real treat was when Dan Demming would bring leftovers from the restaurant were he bussed tables back to the org for some of us lucky ones. I do know some folks made the Safeway Store their personal pantry. They stole their dinner. all for a good cause-of course! No names-but you would be surprised. Crap- I get very angry ,still, over the whole "greater good" hog wash. It's not easy to say we were young and stupid and to take responsibility for our personal misjudgments. Lots of us are still to this day paying the price for crossing the "bridge".
Sam, I don't recall stealing directly from the Townehouse Safeway, but I did get foodstamps, so I basically stole from the DC Government. Could not have survived without them. Greater good, all for the cause. Yep. Still paying.
 

uncle sam

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To Long Gone

Sam, I don't recall stealing directly from the Townehouse Safeway, but I did get foodstamps, so I basically stole from the DC Government. Could not have survived without them. Greater good, all for the cause. Yep. Still paying.

Because YOU show remorse and conscience. I as Uncle Sam forgive you for all and any transgressions you may have committed in this life time You are a good man - I salute you!
 
Yes I did take my name from Candide. The Anabaptist Jacques was a kind soul, but probably not as pessimistic as I am. I do think I was led astray by Hubbard. But I’m not bitter. I have come to terms with myself as far as my looking the other way at the insanity. I made many compromises and excuses along the way. I accepted the bad things as just “people just not being hatted,” and believed that things would improve once people who were raised as Scientologists took over the reigns. After I saw the result of that, I couldn’t make excuses anymore. I was dead wrong. I use to think that we did things right back at FCDC in 1972-1974 and that the people who came later misapplied Scientology. But I realized that it was we who were not applying Scientology. We were using what Scientology we knew to bring peace and happiness to others. Helping others and saving the world was our intent, not applying Scientology. It was our nature that brought forth the peace and happiness, not Scientology. Others had the purpose of just getting Scientology applied and when Scientology finally started getting applied it resulted in what there is today. The current Church is not Scientology misapplied, it is what Scientology is supposed to be--applied fascism. Hubbard was replace by brownshirts like Bill Franks; Franks was replaced by a high school drop-out who was more dedicated and less reasonable than he. Miscavige will probably be replace by a grade school drop-out who is less reasonable than even he.
I do despise those who wish to continue the deception, regardless of their good intentions and whether or not they believe it themselves or not. So that’s why I am particularly harsh towards the Freezoners.
But for all the rest, and especially for my former friends from FCDC, I feel a special kinship and I wish you all the very best.
“We must cultivate our gardens.”

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

nozeno

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Often my meals were cabbage-.10 cents a lb with some cheese-the cheapest we could find-and a real treat was when Dan Demming would bring leftovers from the restaurant were he bussed tables back to the org for some of us lucky ones. I do know some folks made the Safeway Store their personal pantry. They stole their dinner. all for a good cause-of course! No names-but you would be surprised. Crap- I get very angry ,still, over the whole "greater good" hog wash. It's not easy to say we were young and stupid and to take responsibility for our personal misjudgments. Lots of us are still to this day paying the price for crossing the "bridge".

Yeah, you were a "treat" to be around after all that cabbage I would guess. Talk about Gordon and his sax.

Sam, I don't recall stealing directly from the Townehouse Safeway, but I did get foodstamps, so I basically stole from the DC Government. Could not have survived without them. Greater good, all for the cause. Yep. Still paying.

I remember piling in a car with a small group of people to go downtown to sign up for food stamps and feeling a weird myself. Coming from an upbringing where it was taught that accepting handouts was not cool made me uncomfortable, but I was hungry too. The only good part of the trip was Rebecca Sweigart sitting on my lap.

I don't know if I fabricated that lap memory or not, but I don't give a shit. I'm keeping it.
 

uncle sam

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I have a problem

Maybe you can help me out. I have friends whom are still very much "IN". Every now and then when I'm talking to them-I'll make small-very small statements that maybe the cos isn't quite right. I do not come out and say what I really think as I do not wish to alienate them.
Gawd- this sounds like a "Dear Ann Landers" letter. How do I keep them as friends yet be true to myself? :confused2:
 

Long Gone

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Maybe you can help me out. I have friends whom are still very much "IN". Every now and then when I'm talking to them-I'll make small-very small statements that maybe the cos isn't quite right. I do not come out and say what I really think as I do not wish to alienate them.
Gawd- this sounds like a "Dear Ann Landers" letter. How do I keep them as friends yet be true to myself? :confused2:
Make 'em do A-E. When they do the doubt formula they'll have to choose you as the one to befriend! :thumbsup:
 

Zinjifar

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Maybe you can help me out. I have friends whom are still very much "IN". Every now and then when I'm talking to them-I'll make small-very small statements that maybe the cos isn't quite right. I do not come out and say what I really think as I do not wish to alienate them.
Gawd- this sounds like a "Dear Ann Landers" letter. How do I keep them as friends yet be true to myself? :confused2:

You be honest with them and say that you are deliberately not expressing your opinions because you value them as friends.

Will that help? Probably not. Scientologists don't appreciate being 'handled'. It's *you* who is being handled.

But, it's at least honest.

Zinj
 
Maybe you can help me out. I have friends whom are still very much "IN". Every now and then when I'm talking to them-I'll make small-very small statements that maybe the cos isn't quite right. I do not come out and say what I really think as I do not wish to alienate them.
Gawd- this sounds like a "Dear Ann Landers" letter. How do I keep them as friends yet be true to myself? :confused2:

It's a tricky situation. Just accept them as they are. I would put the emphasis on why I was their friend in the first place. If they want to recover me then I'd have to level with them. But I can't speak for anyone else. You know yourself and the other person. But even though they are "IN," I bet they have doubts. I don't think people stay in and believe in the Church for what it is. I think they respect the Church and the Tech and stay in because of what they want it to be.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Long Gone

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Maybe you can help me out. I have friends whom are still very much "IN". Every now and then when I'm talking to them-I'll make small-very small statements that maybe the cos isn't quite right. I do not come out and say what I really think as I do not wish to alienate them.
Gawd- this sounds like a "Dear Ann Landers" letter. How do I keep them as friends yet be true to myself? :confused2:


On a more serious note, I've had several friends over the years who were "IN" while I was out. Fortunately, they never disconnected and as time wore on and the fabric of the Scientology story got thinner and thinner for them. I eventually witnessed them talking as if they were out, not in. I dont think I could have ever convinced them myself.

You might try asking them about the Basics release - if they watch the DM video introducing the Basics and see how he blames all of the problems of Scientology on some poor transcriptionist in 1950 and if they still don't register even a modicum of doubt, well, you might be waiting for a while. But, if they are up for a discussion after that, well that whole thing opens up a lot of avenues to explore the inanity of the dogma and the management.
 

nozeno

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You be honest with them and say that you are deliberately not expressing your opinions because you value them as friends.

Will that help? Probably not. Scientologists don't appreciate being 'handled'. It's *you* who is being handled.

But, it's at least honest.

Zinj

That's exactly what I do. Although the "innie" I deal with on a daily basis is a lot more open minded, than the ones Sammy is talking about. How do I know? I'm psychic, of course.

When he (my "innie" friend) gets curious and our conversation starts to drift to critical current events, I just tell him I won't go there because I know what kind of shit it will cause for him.
 
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Dulloldfart

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Maybe you can help me out. I have friends whom are still very much "IN". Every now and then when I'm talking to them-I'll make small-very small statements that maybe the cos isn't quite right. I do not come out and say what I really think as I do not wish to alienate them.
Gawd- this sounds like a "Dear Ann Landers" letter. How do I keep them as friends yet be true to myself? :confused2:

To answer your question, I don't know that you can. Either they wake up or they don't. Sometimes it takes a very long time. You can drop a few hints and see what happens, but if push comes to shove you are very likely to lose them as "friends", at least for now, and maybe for the rest of this lifetime.

Paul
 

Zinjifar

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That's exactly what I do. Although the "innie" I deal with on a daily basis is a lot more open minded, than the ones Sammy is talking about. How do I know? I'm psychic, of course.

When he (my "innie" friend) gets curious and our conversation starts to drift to critical current events, I just tell him I won't go there because I know what kind of shit it will cause for him.

I married a Scientologist. Or an 'ex' Scientologist. For years the difference can be confused. It wasn't all that hard to deliberately avoid issues, while at the same time making it clear that the avoidance is deliberate.

People come to their own conclusions at their own time; not because they've been 'convinced'.

Zinj
 
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