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How's That Freedom Workin' for Ya? The Power of an "SP"

Thanks for your responses. I think stress is the answer - I reacted badly to it. But in the back of my mind, it felt like the sinner who believes Jesus is testing his faith. I was pulling in all manner of "dings" causing me to question my thoughts about the baselessness of the PTS tech.

The obvious silliness of it all is - How exactly would spotting an SP make it all go away? The only way to make it go away was to fix the job, make them happy, and walk off into the sunset.

But I guess that wouldn't qualify since that's not what Ron wrote.

Does it seem to you that the emphasis of the PTS / SP tech has increased over the last few years? When I got on Flag lines I did a 10 Aug almost every refresher. I wonder why? Is there something vested in not making the able more able?

And the weird thing is they would want to do 10 Augs on minor accidents, but why did my business take a sudden down trend, costing me lots of cash? I thought that qualified as a real PTS sit. However, the HGC was not interested. Suggested I get cramming on some finance pol letters. Idiots.

Mimsey
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
Recently I had a job, if I didn't fix work I didn't do for free, I'd get sued. Intellectually, there is no way I would want to pay a lawyer, and so logically, I was there to do the work. However, doing the work made me crazy.

**snip**

So I had all of the symptoms of being PTS. Was I?

Mimsey

OK, I have a different view on this...

I was in a very toxic relationship, and I got advice from my in friend to cut of contact with the toxic person. Looking back, the advice I received was very Scientological. Including some of the specific language in which he offered the advice.

The thing is, the relationship was legitimately toxic, and I needed to get away from the person. The advice was helpful, beneficial, good, wonderful. I would give the same advice to someone else in a toxic relationship.

The advice that may be good for toxic relationships gets abused in the Co$.

So what? As Toady says about the tech, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day."
 

HelluvaHoax!

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---snipped--

Scientology is such insidious hogwash you can find two exact scenarios and two opposing "standard tech" explanations for said scenarios. Here's a perfect example. Per PTS tech "All accidents and illnesses are caused by a PTS condition". BUT (in Scientology there is always a big but) on the Freewinds when people were bumping their heads on the low entrances to cabins or slipping and falling on the deck or God forbid getting seasick......(all conditions that any cruise ship director will tell you are part and parcel and expected when you load a bunch of landlubbers onto a sea bound vessel) we sure couldn't have to admit that the percentage of PTS was higher on the ship that in a wog public school. So.....a different and perfectly acceptable "why" was found. As it turns out per the cult's investigations tech the people on the ship were just so "keyed out" by the Deathwinds experience and they we so exterior to their lowly meat bodies that they were bumping into things and falling down and such. So you see folks, your accidents and injuries and yes even your mistakes and illness will be swiftly brushed under the rug if you can come up with a "theta" explanation.

A great post!

It is revelations like these that prove that Scientology is a lie machine, designed to spit out whatever word combinations will get people to stay & pay.

Reminds me....here's a multiple choice question:



"He's not dead, he's exterior".


Where did this quote originate?

a. A Monty Python routine about a parrot?

b. When Ron causatively decided to do some
research about being at total cause.​

[video=youtube;4vuW6tQ0218]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218 [/video]
 

Sindy

Crusader
Thanks for your responses. I think stress is the answer - I reacted badly to it. But in the back of my mind, it felt like the sinner who believes Jesus is testing his faith. I was pulling in all manner of "dings" causing me to question my thoughts about the baselessness of the PTS tech.

The obvious silliness of it all is - How exactly would spotting an SP make it all go away? The only way to make it go away was to fix the job, make them happy, and walk off into the sunset.

But I guess that wouldn't qualify since that's not what Ron wrote.

Does it seem to you that the emphasis of the PTS / SP tech has increased over the last few years? When I got on Flag lines I did a 10 Aug almost every refresher. I wonder why? Is there something vested in not making the able more able?

And the weird thing is they would want to do 10 Augs on minor accidents, but why did my business take a sudden down trend, costing me lots of cash? I thought that qualified as a real PTS sit. However, the HGC was not interested. Suggested I get cramming on some finance pol letters. Idiots.

Mimsey

They want to constantly check who may be saying negative things about Scientology, who may be giving you info from the Internet, who is finding out what. IMO, they are simply checking to see if people are still in the fold being good boys and girls.

When you told them about your work scene, they could really care less. It's all about whether or not you are starting to catch on to the con.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
They want to constantly check who may be saying negative things about Scientology, who may be giving you info from the Internet, who is finding out what. IMO, they are simply checking to see if people are still in the fold being good boys and girls.

When you told them about your work scene, they could really care less. It's all about whether or not you are starting to catch on to the con.

Always keep in mind the origination of the abbreviation "PTS". It means:

Potential Trouble Source

It means potential trouble for Hubbard, management or an org. It has always meant that. For example:

PTS Type B: People who make legal threats against Scientology, or who publicly attack Scientology.

Other PTS types:

People who are there to get a news story.

People who are there just to "check it out" and see if it works.

Hubbard's creation of the term was aimed at bettering the org's ability to filter and "catch" students and PCs who might later cause TROUBLE FOR SCIENTOLOGY. The term's basis is in "protecting the Church and Ron", and only later became of associated significance to the person him or herself.

So, yes, they don't really care too much if the source of PTSness doesn't involve some negative affect on Scientology.

Potential trouble for Ron, management of the Church. THAT is the correct way to understand how the CHURCH mostly uses the term and where its concern lies.

A person who "roller-coasters" is a big potential source of trouble for Scientology, because he or she changes viewpoint (and support for Scientology).
 
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I can understand why the questions on the sec check like - do you have a relative who works for the media?, are you involved in some out ethics situation? etc. - are slanted towards finding negative comments, such as found on the Internet. I am surprised if they ( the church) are so anti Internet, they didn't add such questions on the refresher sec check. They can do it on the tailor made sec checks.

Perhaps it has to do with the concept using a shotgun question getting more results instead of a specific question that can be dodged if it is not right on the mark? Or maybe they are not thinking, but simply following a pre-internet sec check format?

However, the 10 Aug has nothing per se in it about the Internet or negative comments. It's just looking for some antago in the PT environment, or in the not too distant past that will move the person over to gentle cause. (if memory serves)

So why the interest in accidents and illness and not a real PTS scene? Was it because the HCOB said all accidents and illness etc. stem only from suppression (or words to that effect) and they are robotically following it word for word?

Mimsey
 

philTmonx

Patron
doing as such would point people in directions maybe unknown.. if some one after then coggeed hmm whats there,
it put them (org) at liability by their own "tech" def.. someone would be responsible for it.. it be who originated it.. they would be fugged..
hense the not tread to deep till they have indicators then jump down neck..

there is always a cause they will find it and fix it..well that's their thought at least..
 
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afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
<snip>

on the Freewinds when people were bumping their heads on the low entrances to cabins or slipping and falling on the deck or God forbid getting seasick......

<snip>

GT

El Ron wrote a Flag Order in the early Apollo days that said that seasickness was the "restimulation of bad food at Sea." :eyeroll:

This Flag Order was one of the WTF’s for me that helped me realize that El Ron and Hisself’s “Tech” weren’t all they were cracked up to be. Over the years, every time we put to Sea, there would be a number of “OT’s” and CommodeDoor’s Staff, along with "lesser magnitude beings" that were holed up in their cabins sick as dogs or wandering around, dazed and looped on Dramamine. Over these years I kept waiting for El Ron to do what seemed obvious and simple for Hisself as Source to do…issue a “Seasick Rundown” and fix the problem. After all, I thought, this is Scn and if the “Why” is “Restim of bad food at Sea” then that should be easy for the “Tech” to remedy...right?

But there never was a “Seasick Rundown” issued and all the while I was Flag Crew I saw CL XII’s and L’s Completions crater, go splooey, get sick--sometimes very ill--and blow. Seeing all this--and a whole bunch of other stuff--got me to really start questioning WTF? was going on. That, coupled with being around the “El Ron du jour”, eventually took its toll.

Thanks for the update on the Deathwinds…I see that Scns at Sea are still as zany as they were back in the “Old Days”. :duh:

Face :)
 
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philTmonx

Patron
tone 40 TR-8 Fail
*they could not properly ack or handle origination's of the boat and thusly it would not stand up off the water.. decidedly it was agreed that the sea was an SP, (for now) time to regroup on land and cycle it out with smaller vessels..
****note current object should be of form that could also properly displace fluids in case we shrink!!!
 
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HelluvaHoax!

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El Ron wrote a Flag Order in the early Apollo days that said that seasickness was the "restimulation of bad food at Sea." :eyeroll:

This Flag Order was one of the WTF’s for me that helped me realize that El Ron and Hisself’s “Tech” weren’t all they were cracked up to be. Over the years, every time we put to Sea, there would be a number of “OT’s” and CommodeDoor’s Staff, along with "lesser magnitude beings" that were holed up in their cabins sick as dogs or wandering around, dazed and looped on Dramamine. Over these years I kept waiting for El Ron to do what seemed obvious and simple for Hisself as Source to do…issue a “Seasick Rundown” and fix the problem. After all, I thought, this is Scn and if the “Why” is “Restim of bad food at Sea” then that should be easy for the “Tech” to remedy...right?

But there never was a “Seasick Rundown” issued and all the while I was Flag Crew I saw CL XII’s and L’s Completions crater, go splooey, get sick--sometimes very ill--and blow. Seeing all this--and a whole bunch of other stuff--got me to really start questioning WTF? was going on. That, coupled with being around the “El Ron de jour”, eventually took its toll.

Thanks for the update on the Deathwinds…I see that Scns at Sea are still as zany as they were back in the “Old Days”. :duh:

Face :)


Now that was quite fascinating!

The WHY for people getting all PTS and sick on Ron's boat.

Regarding Ron's stable datum: "Restim of bad food at Sea”--

Could be spelled F-O-O-D.

Could be spelled F-O-O-L

As in..."Restim by a bad fool at sea".


 

afaceinthecrowd

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Now that was quite fascinating!

The WHY for people getting all PTS and sick on Ron's boat.

Regarding Ron's stable datum: "Restim of bad food at Sea”--

Could be spelled F-O-O-D.

Could be spelled F-O-O-L

As in..."Restim by a bad fool at sea".




:lol:

Yep, pretty much HH. :coolwink:

El Ron said that folks that got seasick had been fed bad food at sea in past lives and died and all that and it was just restim...simple as that. :whistling:

Face :)
 

Sindy

Crusader
El Ron wrote a Flag Order in the early Apollo days that said that seasickness was the "restimulation of bad food at Sea." :eyeroll:

This Flag Order was one of the WTF’s for me that helped me realize that El Ron and Hisself’s “Tech” weren’t all they were cracked up to be. Over the years, every time we put to Sea, there would be a number of “OT’s” and CommodeDoor’s Staff, along with "lesser magnitude beings" that were holed up in their cabins sick as dogs or wandering around, dazed and looped on Dramamine. Over these years I kept waiting for El Ron to do what seemed obvious and simple for Hisself as Source to do…issue a “Seasick Rundown” and fix the problem. After all, I thought, this is Scn and if the “Why” is “Restim of bad food at Sea” then that should be easy for the “Tech” to remedy...right?

But there never was a “Seasick Rundown” issued and all the while I was Flag Crew I saw CL XII’s and L’s Completions crater, go splooey, get sick--sometimes very ill--and blow. Seeing all this--and a whole bunch of other stuff--got me to really start questioning WTF? was going on. That, coupled with being around the “El Ron de jour”, eventually took its toll.

Thanks for the update on the Deathwinds…I see that Scns at Sea are still as zany as they were back in the “Old Days”. :duh:

Face :)


Wow. What did he think would happen if he just admitted that people got sea sick?

Here's an article on sea sickness and how to cure it:

How to cure sea sickness!

There is no such thing as immunity against sea sickness, and even the oldest salts can be subject to it. According to books, 9 in 10 people have felt sea sickness at certain point of their naval experience.

Before going on a sea vacation, take some time in studying, and be prepared what to do if it comes, so that you enjoy your sailing adventure to the most.

Actually, sea sickness is really tricky, because it is not caused by anything that goes inside your organism - like bacteria or viruses. It is caused by the confusion of the body as to where it is situated in space. That's where the mal de mer (that is the French name by which it is famous) hits.

The vestibular apparatus inside your body does not know to which direction it is moving, whether it is moving at all, is it standing still... Generally because of gravitation, there is a fine 'tuning' of your body, also called the inner ear. So, in fact what happens is that there is a discrepancy between what your inner ear, your senses detect and your brain who is used to stable ground. Conflicting information reaches the central nervous system, and the result is the body being unable to position any more in the three-dimensional space it occupies.

The symptoms of sea sickness come quickly. We all know how unpleasant they can be.

Surprisingly, half of the people get the mild symptoms and they are... simply drowsiness. Research has showed that a positive attitude and distracting your thoughts from the idea of sea sickness lessens the symptoms.

Unfortunately, some of us suffer the hard symptoms and they are progressing to extreme nausea, throwing up, dizziness and headache, becoming pale, cold perspiration. If you have a problem with traveling by car or by plane, it is very likely that you get seasick, especially in strong weather.

On the other hand if you get seasick in a small yacht, it does not necessarily mean that you will feel bad in big cruiser ships or other means of transport. The thing is that the bigger the vessel, the smaller it rocks and the less it is prone to waves and wag.

If the person tries to concentrate on something (especially if they concentrate on not vomiting), the situation gets worse. In the case of vomiting, the brain receives similar signals like when the body has some kind of poisoning.

There are three things which trigger sea sickness, and it is advisable that you avoid them, if you are prone to it, or try to do as little as possible: if you go below the deck for a long time (there the wag is bigger), if you look through binoculars or other optical device, and finally - if you read a book, look at a compass or do any work that requires gazing at one point for a long time.

Just try to keep your peripheral vision on objects that your brain will interpret as stable (because in fact they are not, and there will be clash in the sensory information and it will end in sea sickness).

Sea sickness prevention
The best way it is the natural - sooner or later your brain gets used to rocking and floating (for a longer trips, but mind you! - After you set foot on a firm ground, you will also need some time to re-adjust to walking ashore.)
In some cases, however, sea sickness is very strong and you need to do something to prevent/cure it.

As we mentioned, it is good to focus your mind to anything else, it is also good to be in the fresh air, look forward, make sure your eyes have access to the horizon and let your eyes roam. Drink water to avoid dehydration. And breath deeply and slowly. The worst thing you can do is go somewhere below the decks and not see the horizon, or open spaces. Avoid heavy, fatty, too salty food. Stay fresh.
If you have a history of motion sickness, better not book an inside cabin, it will be a nightmare and spoil your fun!

Basically, the remedies against sea sickness can be divided into three groups - drugs, herbs and bands you stick on your skin.

We don't endorse any drugs - because some of them like dimenhydrinate can cause allergic reactions, so consult your doctor.

We recommend something with almost no side effects - ginger; eat a little bit, and you'll feel better. Yet it is not recommended for pregnant women.

If someone is feeling really bad, and the situation calls for action, get them on the deck, but not in direct sunlight, especially if it is hot, cockpit is the best place. Tell them to close their eyes. The helmsperson should steady the course of the yacht (at least for a while).

Remember - no matter how bad you feel - it is just a temporal state, and many of the legendary sailors also people who have crossed the oceans numerous times have suffered from severe sea sickness.

Don't panic! It's not lethal!

So, with all this information on how to handle seasickness, he didn't create anything? No course? No rundown? No tech issue?

It would seem the solution was ripe for some kind of Scientological handling.

What a fraud.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Wow. What did he think would happen if he just admitted that people got sea sick?

<snip>

What a fraud.

:yes::yes::yes:

That's what started eating at my craw over my years in Hisself's service...I'm part of a fraud and I know it and I know things that most of my fellow Scns don't know about El Ron and what's really going on at "the top of the 'Bridge'".

Got to tell ya folks...towards the end, it caused many sleepless nights and some big time very private and personal and desperate pain, remorse, sorrow and sadness.

I know I'm a quarter century late telling, from my perspective, what I saw and giving my honest, heartfelt take but, oh well...better late than never.

Face :)
 

Sindy

Crusader
:yes::yes::yes:

That's what started eating at my craw over my years in Hisself's service...I'm part of a fraud and I know it and I know things that most of my fellow Scns don't know about El Ron and what's really going on at "the top of the 'Bridge'".

Got to tell ya folks...towards the end, it caused many sleepless nights and some big time very private and personal and desperate pain, remorse, sorrow and sadness.

I know I'm a quarter century late telling, from my perspective, what I saw and giving my honest, heartfelt take but, oh well...better late than never.

Face :)

Face,

Do you have a longer story somewhere? Have you written up any of your other experiences? It would be so valuable. If you haven't, could you? :) Just this small snippet you wrote here is fascinating.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Face,

Do you have a longer story somewhere? Have you written up any of your other experiences? It would be so valuable. If you haven't, could you? :) Just this small snippet you wrote here is fascinating.

Glad this was of interest to you. :yes:

I have posted about 40,000 words re: my "take" on El Ron, Mary Sue, SO, Apollo, CMO, etc on ESMB since January of 2010. Most of it is on the Apollo Thread or the "Shooting Stars" Thread I started around January of 2011. Much, but not all, has links to it in the posts I have made on the "Shooting Stars" Thread.

Face :)
 

Sindy

Crusader
Glad this was of interest to you. :yes:

I have posted about 40,000 words re: my "take" on El Ron, Mary Sue, SO, Apollo, CMO, etc on ESMB since January of 2010. Most of it is on the Apollo Thread or the "Shooting Stars" Thread I started around January of 2011. Much, but not all, has links to it in the posts I have made on the "Shooting Stars" Thread.

Face :)

Looks like I have lots of catching up to do. I will dig in, thanks!
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Glad this was of interest to you. :yes:

I have posted about 40,000 words re: my "take" on El Ron, Mary Sue, SO, Apollo, CMO, etc on ESMB since January of 2010. Most of it is on the Apollo Thread or the "Shooting Stars" Thread I started around January of 2011. Much, but not all, has links to it in the posts I have made on the "Shooting Stars" Thread.

Face :)

All of which I sincerely hope you will one day soon publish as a book.

I suspect the value of the truth you have written helps far more people far more than you might have thought was possible.

It has hard to put in the words how you are unravelling the mystery we bought into.
You have told the truth about the parts and pieces we never saw - and sometimes never were aware of at all.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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:lol:

Yep, pretty much HH. :coolwink:

El Ron said that folks that got seasick had been fed bad food at sea in past lives and died and all that and it was just restim...simple as that. :whistling:

Face :)



FAUX-T FOLLIES...

* There are naval-costumed people still running around today with clipboards and bad attitudes that are r-factoring and briefing each other about Ron's sea sickness "reference"--with inestimably vast amounts of assumed altitude and synthesized certitude. Their KSW is totally "IN" but just not the way they think it is. Keeping Seasickness Working.

* Item #99 on the list of "Things I forgot to tell the Commodore while he was still on Teeageack" (aka Honey I Shrunk the Cult). . .​

THE COMMODORE
...now, people that become seasick have been fed
bad food and the engram is in restim, simple as that!

SOS-SAMMY (Sea-Org-Seditious-Sammy)
Sir, no disrespect sir, but Clear #1 John
McMaster just puked on the poop deck, sir.

THE COMMODORE
Well...my research has just discovered that the
Clear still has engrams coming from Wall of Fire
BTs, now isn't that fascinating? Simple as that!

SOS-SAMMY
Sir, no flashback intended sir, but OT III expanded
Billy Blowdown just blew chunks overboard, sir.

THE COMMODORE
Well...my research has also just discovered that
the OT III still has billions of bad BT beings--
now isn't that fascinating? Simple as that!

SOS-SAMMY
Sir, no CI intended sir, but the first SOLO NOTS
completion just barfed off the bow, so that sounds
like some blusterously batty BT bullshit, sir.

THE COMMODORE
Well...my research has also just discovered that
people who try to make the tech wrong by throwing
up are SP's trying to stop the throw-up tech.
Now, isn't that fascinating? Simple as that!​
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
All of which I sincerely hope you will one day soon publish as a book.

I suspect the value of the truth you have written helps far more people far more than you might have thought was possible.

It has hard to put in the words how you are unravelling the mystery we bought into.
You have told the truth about the parts and pieces we never saw - and sometimes never were aware of at all.

Yes, and perhaps you can do what Jeff Hawkins did and start it as a blog. That would be cheaper, and get your story out there sooner. In Jeff's case, the blog was the first very rough draft of the book, and he still managed to sell a lot of books.

Although, I hear that the Co$ is buying up a lot of indie publishing houses, so you may want to get that in print sooner rather than later.
 
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