How's That Freedom Workin' for Ya? The Power of an "SP"

[Sindy]

And it was the ultimate cop out - an SP. It was the get out of jail free card - I have an SP on my lines. The ultimate escape from being responsible.

I wonder what went through his mind in the end - "I coulda been a contender - if it wern't for those damn sps.. " oops wrong movie. But you get the point - it was the sp's who prevented him from pulling it off, or whatever the hell it was he was trying to do. And that became the witch hunt known as PTS tech.

Wow.

Mimsey

Wow is right. The PTS/SP course was a nightmare for me.

 

[PTSPal]

The PTS/SP course did me in. To this day I just can't understand how someone can go through that course and not see what I saw...It was just so obvious...I was truly shocked

 

[Sindy]

The PTS/SP course did me in. To this day I just can't understand how someone can go through that course and not see what I saw...It was just so obvious...I was truly shocked

Me too. I would so like to talk to you more about this....

 

[Gadfly]

And it was the ultimate cop out - an SP. It was the get out of jail free card - I have an SP on my lines. The ultimate escape from being responsible.

I wonder what went through his mind in the end - "I coulda been a contender - if it wern't for those damn sps.. " oops wrong movie. But you get the point - it was the sp's who prevented him from pulling it off, or whatever the hell it was he was trying to do. And that became the witch hunt known as PTS tech.

Wow.

Mimsey

So many contradictions in Scientology.

"The WHY is God" (Data Series policy) was Hubbard's way of saying that YOU are always responsible for whatever happens in your vicinity or space. But how can one be "fully responsible for one's own condition", when "every time you fail or get sick, it is DUE TO THE SP"?

I mean, since ALL conditions (good OR bad) are based on "considerations", per Hubbard, why not simpy CHANGE your consideratrions about "SPs"? Of course, that IS the right answer, but to do that one would have to disagree with all of Hubbard's statements, claims and theories about "SPs", and THAT is not allowed in Scientology.

It also always cracked me up how the Church would effectively BLAME any individual for ANY "bad thing" (motivator) that happened to it. The individual was always held fully and solely responsible for the effects he or she received. To the point that Hubbard even explained how the PTS person could ONLY go "PTS" to the "SP" by being OUT-ETHICS TO the SP. See, per Hubbard, if you never went out-ethics to the SP, then you could not EVER "go the effect" of the SP. If that is true, then why are Church members forbidden from communicating with SPs? ARe they all so horribly out-ethics?

Of course, the real reason for disconnection is to keep "bad ideas" away from the True Believers. Hubbard's game was always about "maintaining high agreement", and disconnection serves well to get any "disagreements" FAR AWAY from the herd of followers.

But for Hubbard or the Church itself, they NEVER admit or acknowledge ANY "out-ethics" that renders THEM liable to the "bad effects" of SPs. For THEM, the ONLY reason THEY fail is NOT because of some "failure in their own responsibility", but ONLY because of some external nasty and evil SP - where the WHY IS GOD (an external force that one has zero control over)!

In all of my great many years of experience with the Church of Scientology I never saw ONE MOMENT where the Church organization EVER admitted that it ever did anything "wrong". Anytime it "fucked up", and there were ALWAYS "fuck ups", it always targetted some staff member or public person, assigned ALL of the fault onto THEM, and continued along as if Scientology and Hubbard were well beyond error. That is a constant ploy of Scientology.

That is why staff get expelled, declared or assigned to the RPF. Even though they WERE "following exact LRH policy", the hidden fixed idea is that "application of Scientology always and ONLY results in positive helpful outcomes". If ANYTHING ELSE occurs then the FAULT and BLAME lies with the INDIVIDUAL who must have incorrectly applied Ron's wonderful "tech of life". There are many examples of this.

In the 1980s, Flag FSMs and regges were heavily encouraging Scandanavian Scientology public to co-sign for loans to help come up with money for Flag. It got to a point where everybody was constantly co-signing loans for everybody else. The admin was poor on this and the government officials didn't catch it. But, ALL of the executives at Flag KNEW about it, including up the lines to the INT Finance Dictator (and probably higher). Nobody cared because Flag's GI was in Affluence. But, when the Scandinavian governments flapped BIG TIME about these deceitful loan practices, the Church declared a few FSMs as suppressive persons, busted the Captain FSO (Ron Norton) and the FLB Finance Director (Jon Lundeen), and PRETENDED that such activities were the result of "renegade staff" who DID NOT "have the bessings of the Church" and who were "not following LRH policy". Really, in truth, the biggest crime in Scientology is "getting caught" running a Scientology scam. Flag FSMs like Heinrich Palmquiest and Kjell Westfall made MANY MILLIONS of dollars for Flag over some years, but they were pushed under the bus as soon as the flap began.

Hubbard did the same exact thing with the GO staff when Mary Sue got caught in Operation Snow White. The entire GO was disbanded, and many staff were let go, with severe ethics orders stating that they could NEVER AGAIN hold any staff position. This again was a PLOY to make it APPEAR that what had happened had been a misapplication of "standard Scientology" involving "renegade Scientologists" who had "gone to far". Of course, in ALL of these cases, all of these staff would still be there, would even be commended and awarded for creating desired effects. But they GOT CAUGHT applying exact Scientology, and "bad PR" for Ron or Scientology is far worse than all the good any staff member might have done.

So under the bus they go. For the benefit of Scientology. For the greatest good for the greatest number of the dynamics. For Mankind!!!!!!!

It is just so weird. The "tech always works", except when it doesn't, and THEN it is only and always because of an SP (out-ethics). Hubbard really RIGGED it all in HIS favor.

 

[guanoloco]

So many contradictions in Scientology.

"The WHY is God" (Data Series policy) was Hubbard's way of saying that YOU are always responsible for whatever happens in your vicinity or space. But how can one be "fully responsible for one's own condition", when "every time you fail or get sick, it is DUE TO THE SP"?

I mean, since ALL conditions (good OR bad) are based on "considerations", per Hubbard, why not simpy CHANGE your consideratrions about "SPs"? Of course, that IS the right answer, but to do that one would have to disagree with all of Hubbard's statements, claims and theories about "SPs", and THAT is not allowed in Scientology.

It also always cracked me up how the Church would effectively BLAME any individual for ANY "bad thing" (motivator) that happened to it. The individual was always held fully and solely responsible for the effects he or she received. To the point that Hubbard even explained how the PTS person could ONLY go "PTS" to the "SP" by being OUT-ETHICS TO the SP. See, per Hubbard, if you never went out-ethics to the SP, then you could not EVER "go the effect" of the SP. If that is true, then why are Church members forbidden from communicating with SPs? ARe they all so horribly out-ethics?

Of course, the real reason for disconnection is to keep "bad ideas" away from the True Believers. Hubbard's game was always about "maintaining high agreement", and disconnection serves well to get any "disagreements" FAR AWAY from the herd of followers.

But for Hubbard or the Church itself, they NEVER admit or acknowledge ANY "out-ethics" that renders THEM liable to the "bad effects" of SPs. For THEM, the ONLY reason THEY fail is NOT because of some "failure in their own responsibility", but ONLY because of some external nasty and evil SP - where the WHY IS GOD (an external force that one has zero control over)!

In all of my great many years of experience with the Church of Scientology I never saw ONE MOMENT where the Church organization EVER admitted that it ever did anything "wrong". Anytime it "fucked up", and there were ALWAYS "fuck ups", it always targetted some staff member or public person, assigned ALL of the fault onto THEM, and continued along as if Scientology and Hubbard were well beyond error. That is a constant ploy of Scientology.

That is why staff get expelled, declared or assigned to the RPF. Even though they WERE "following exact LRH policy", the hidden fixed idea is that "application of Scientology always and ONLY results in positive helpful outcomes". If ANYTHING ELSE occurs then the FAULT and BLAME lies with the INDIVIDUAL who must have incorrectly applied Ron's wonderful "tech of life". There are many examples of this.

In the 1980s, Flag FSMs and regges were heavily encouraging Scandanavian Scientology public to co-sign for loans to help come up with money for Flag. It got to a point where everybody was constantly co-signing loans for everybody else. The admin was poor on this and the government officials didn't catch it. But, ALL of the executives at Flag KNEW about it, including up the lines to the INT Finance Dictator (and probably higher). Nobody cared because Flag's GI was in Affluence. But, when the Scandinavian governments flapped BIG TIME about these deceitful loan practices, the Church declared a few FSMs as suppressive persons, busted the Captain FSO (Ron Norton) and the FLB Finance Director (Jon Lundeen), and PRETENDED that such activities were the result of "renegade staff" who DID NOT "have the bessings of the Church" and who were "not following LRH policy". Really, in truth, the biggest crime in Scientology is "getting caught" running a Scientology scam. Flag FSMs like Heinrich Palmquiest and Kjell Westfall made MANY MILLIONS of dollars for Flag over some years, but they were pushed under the bus as soon as the flap began.

Hubbard did the same exact thing with the GO staff when Mary Sue got caught in Operation Snow White. The entire GO was disbanded, and many staff were let go, with severe ethics orders stating that they could NEVER AGAIN hold any staff position. This again was a PLOY to make it APPEAR that what had happened had been a misapplication of "standard Scientology" involving "renegade Scientologists" who had "gone to far". Of course, in ALL of these cases, all of these staff would still be there, would even be commended and awarded for creating desired effects. But they GOT CAUGHT applying exact Scientology, and "bad PR" for Ron or Scientology is far worse than all the good any staff member might have done.

So under the bus they go. For the benefit of Scientology. For the greatest good for the greatest number of the dynamics. For Mankind!!!!!!!

It is just so weird. The "tech always works", except when it doesn't, and THEN it is only and always because of an SP (out-ethics). Hubbard really RIGGED it all in HIS favor.

Seems like when Ron was about to get busted for his crimes he would be all self-righteous and use this:

However, if those crimes were real doozies then he would feign being all butt-hurt and use this:

Juss sayin'...

And then jet away all FaBiAn and stuff.

 

[guanoloco]

Hey, all! The tech-fairy gave me some info to pass on.

It's regarding the "2 and a 1/2%" and all that.

HCOB 27 Sep 1966 - THE ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST

- As they only comprise 20% of the population and as only 21/2% are truly dangerous, we see that with a very small amount of effort we could considerably better the state of society. -

- As there are 80% of us trying to get along and only 20% trying to prevent us, our lives would be much easier to live were we well informed as to the exact manifestations of such a personality. -

- Things are not likely to get much better so long as 20% of the population is permitted to dominate and injure the lives and enterprises of the remaining 80%.

Then we have:

HCOB 28 Nov 1970 - C/S Series 22 PSYCHOSIS

HIGHER PERCENTAGE​

About 15% to 20% of the human race apparently is insane or certainly a much higher percent than was estimated. -

- As only around 20% are insane, and as those who previously worked in the mental field were themselves mainly insane, man as a whole has been assigned an evil repute. Governments, where such personalities exist, listen to the opinion of the insane and apply the characteristics of 20% to the entire 100%.

This gives an 80% wrong diagnosis. Which is why mental science itself was destructive when used by states.

And then:

HCOB 19 May 1977 Issue II - Expanded Dianetics Series 24 PSYCHOSIS, MORE ABOUT

- At a guess about 15% to 25% of living human beings are psychotic and bring covert disaster to those around them and themselves.

I thought there was another later one that went as high as 30% - 35% but I'm probably dubbing that in as a continual alter-is PTP of long duration and all that that I am. :wink2:

 

[Sindy]

Hey, all! The tech-fairy gave me some info to pass on.

It's regarding the "2 and a 1/2%" and all that.

HCOB 27 Sep 1966 - THE ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST

- As they only comprise 20% of the population and as only 21/2% are truly dangerous, we see that with a very small amount of effort we could considerably better the state of society. -

- As there are 80% of us trying to get along and only 20% trying to prevent us, our lives would be much easier to live were we well informed as to the exact manifestations of such a personality. -

- Things are not likely to get much better so long as 20% of the population is permitted to dominate and injure the lives and enterprises of the remaining 80%.

Then we have:

HCOB 28 Nov 1970 - C/S Series 22 PSYCHOSIS

HIGHER PERCENTAGE​

About 15% to 20% of the human race apparently is insane or certainly a much higher percent than was estimated. -

- As only around 20% are insane, and as those who previously worked in the mental field were themselves mainly insane, man as a whole has been assigned an evil repute. Governments, where such personalities exist, listen to the opinion of the insane and apply the characteristics of 20% to the entire 100%.

This gives an 80% wrong diagnosis. Which is why mental science itself was destructive when used by states.

And then:

HCOB 19 May 1977 Issue II - Expanded Dianetics Series 24 PSYCHOSIS, MORE ABOUT

- At a guess about 15% to 25% of living human beings are psychotic and bring covert disaster to those around them and themselves.

I thought there was another later one that went as high as 30% - 35% but I'm probably dubbing that in as a continual alter-is PTP of long duration and all that that I am. :wink2:

Ya know, if someone didn't want others to think one was a thief, one might try to get all scholarly and pontificate about the attributes of thieves. This way, no one would suspect this expert on thievery could possibly be, himself, a thief. Just sayin'

Fiction writer + Hypnotist + Magician + Paranoid Schizophrenic = Mankind's Greatest Friend

Ron: The Great Attention Diverter

 

[guanoloco]

OK, since this is Sythia's thread and all I thought I'd post this here for her and others to enjoy.

Hope you like!

While yakking with the tech-fairy I was inadvertently shown the following policy letter.

It's:

HCO PL 3 May 1972R
Revised 18 Dec 1977

IMPORTANT

Executive Series 12

ETHICS AND EXECUTIVES​

Any person holding an executive post (head of department or above) is deemed an EXECUTIVE.

- IT IS VITAL TO ANY ORGANIZATION, TO BE STRONG AND EFFECTIVE, TO BE ETHICAL.

THE MOST IMPORTANT ZONE OF ETHICAL CONDUCT IN AN ORGANIZATION IS AT OR NEAR THE TOP.

Ethical failure, at the top or just below it, can destroy an organization and make it downstat.

Historical examples are many.

THEREFORE, IT IS POLICY THAT AN EXECUTIVE MUST KEEP ETHICS IN ON HIMSELF AND THOSE BELOW HIM OR BE DISCIPLINED OR COMM EVED AND REMOVED FROM ANY POST OF AUTHORITY AND SOMEONE FOUND WHO IS HIMSELF ETHICAL AND CAN KEEP ETHICS IN ON THOSE UNDER HIS AUTHORITY.

The charge in any such case for a staff member or executive is FAILURE TO UPHOLD OR SET AN EXAMPLE OF HIGH ETHICAL STANDARDS.

Such offenses are composed of:

1. DISHONESTY.

2. Use of false statements to cover up a situation.

3. Representing a scene to be different than it actually is to cover up crimes and escape discipline.

4. Irregular 2D connections and practices.

5. Drug or acloholic addiction.

6. Encouraging out-ethics.

7. Condoning or failing to effectively handle an out-ethics situation in self or others as an in-charge, officer or executive.

Let's see how Ron stacks up with 1 - 7, shall we?

1. DISHONESTY. Thank god this WW II decorated combat vet and nuclear physicist broke up the sex orgy cult and saved a girl when he discovered it as a very bad scene. Mankind's Greatest Fiend! Whooops! F-R-I-E-N-D! There! All fixed up.

2. Use of false statements to cover up a situation. Thank god Ron didn't know anything about Mary Sue's Operation Snowwhite or Operation Freakout or...or...or...

3. Representing a scene to be different than it actually is to cover up crimes and escape discipline. Thank god that Scientology is a bona-fide religion and a church!

4. Irregular 2D connections and practices. Did I already mention the sex orgy cult? Really? Well, thank god Ron busted that commie spy Sara Rockmononav or something like that.

5. Drug or acloholic addiction. Thank god Ron solved the world's drug problem with the Purif and SCN DRD and OT IV and such while he was writing about pinks and greys and rum and stuff.

6. Encouraging out-ethics. Thank god Ron busted all those yokels doing Operation Snowwhite and Operation Freakout and got rid of Nibs who was apparently chewing drug-laced gum and looking for an H-bomb to steal and all that.

7. Condoning or failing to effectively handle an out-ethics situation in self or others as in in-charge, officer or executive. Thank god Ron busted that Otto Roose feller who was recommending that a bed-ridden and sick and obviously PTS Ron should handle his (Ron's) various and multiple R/Ses that were "found" in his folders!

WOOT! Ron was soooooooo OT! Didn't Ron say that to stay OT one had to be ethical and all that?

 

[Sindy]

OK, since this is Sythia's thread and all I thought I'd post this here for her and others to enjoy.

Hope you like!

While yakking with the tech-fairy I was inadvertently shown the following policy letter.

It's:

HCO PL 3 May 1972R
Revised 18 Dec 1977

IMPORTANT

Executive Series 12

ETHICS AND EXECUTIVES​

Any person holding an executive post (head of department or above) is deemed an EXECUTIVE.

- IT IS VITAL TO ANY ORGANIZATION, TO BE STRONG AND EFFECTIVE, TO BE ETHICAL.

THE MOST IMPORTANT ZONE OF ETHICAL CONDUCT IN AN ORGANIZATION IS AT OR NEAR THE TOP.

Ethical failure, at the top or just below it, can destroy an organization and make it downstat.

Historical examples are many.

THEREFORE, IT IS POLICY THAT AN EXECUTIVE MUST KEEP ETHICS IN ON HIMSELF AND THOSE BELOW HIM OR BE DISCIPLINED OR COMM EVED AND REMOVED FROM ANY POST OF AUTHORITY AND SOMEONE FOUND WHO IS HIMSELF ETHICAL AND CAN KEEP ETHICS IN ON THOSE UNDER HIS AUTHORITY.

The charge in any such case for a staff member or executive is FAILURE TO UPHOLD OR SET AN EXAMPLE OF HIGH ETHICAL STANDARDS.

Such offenses are composed of:

1. DISHONESTY.

2. Use of false statements to cover up a situation.

3. Representing a scene to be different than it actually is to cover up crimes and escape discipline.

4. Irregular 2D connections and practices.

5. Drug or acloholic addiction.

6. Encouraging out-ethics.

7. Condoning or failing to effectively handle an out-ethics situation in self or others as an in-charge, officer or executive.

How the hell did we fall for this crap?" Damn!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

How the hell did we fall for this crap?" Damn!

Here's my personal answer...

Scientology!

HEY, AT LEAST IT'S NOT PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS
WHERE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR MIND-BENDING
SURREALISTIC HALLUCINATORY WINS!*​

* Well, anyways, that how it seemed at the time.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

After having done the PTS SP course and the Ethics Specialist courses and PTS stuff I learned on the BC, I'll say the most usefull stuff is this:

a) Don't create Antagonism

b) Handle - if they don't want to handle, by by (but not the over the top Scio BS disconnect - something like: I'd love to but, I'm too busy right now...)

c) Recognizing the A-J PTS types, especially type D Responsible for condition cases. Man - they make it all your fault.. "I hired you because you are the professional and you should have known, and so you should fix it for free since you should have informed me...." and endless variations of the cover your ass, non team player mentality.

d) Don't commit overts against some one who is antago towards you - it will be used against you to your regret.

e) Avoid sciopaths - the last time I got in an argument with a cop it cost me $450. I should have kissed ass, but no, I am a hot head who thinks he is right.

f) Stop obsessing mentally while doing something. This is a tough one, to turn off the internal voices and let it go and concentrate on what you are doing. I wouldn't have hit my thumb with a hammer yesterday if I had taken my own advice, and stopped obsessing over the type D assholes I was working for free for, to avoid a lawsuit.

So, yeah, there is something usefull in there, but doing a witch hunt 10 Aug or S&D to find some connection in the past when the solution was right there in PT is just nuts.

Did I miss something?

Mimsey

 

[Sindy]

After having done the PTS SP course and the Ethics Specialist courses and PTS stuff I learned on the BC, I'll say the most usefull stuff is this:

a) Don't create Antagonism

b) Handle - if they don't want to handle, by by (but not the over the top Scio BS disconnect - something like: I'd love to but, I'm too busy right now...)

c) Recognizing the A-J PTS types, especially type D Responsible for condition cases. Man - they make it all your fault.. "I hired you because you are the professional and you should have known, and so you should fix it for free since you should have informed me...." and endless variations of the cover your ass, non team player mentality.

d) Don't commit overts against some one who is antago towards you - it will be used against you to your regret.

e) Avoid sciopaths - the last time I got in an argument with a cop it cost me $450. I should have kissed ass, but no, I am a hot head who thinks he is right.

f) Stop obsessing mentally while doing something. This is a tough one, to turn off the internal voices and let it go and concentrate on what you are doing. I wouldn't have hit my thumb with a hammer yesterday if I had taken my own advice, and stopped obsessing over the type D assholes I was working for free for, to avoid a lawsuit.

So, yeah, there is something usefull in there, but doing a witch hunt 10 Aug or S&D to find some connection in the past when the solution was right there in PT is just nuts.

Did I miss something?

Mimsey

Yes, there is some useful information, I agree, but I would submit that it's just common sense that you or I would have figured out without having to go through Hubbard's paranoic rants.

In terms of recognizing A-J types, those I see as mainly Hubbard's categories of those who won't toe the line or who might investigate the fraud, like reporters. I don't give any validity to those certain categories though I know not to associate with criminals and those who might always want to blame me or others for their condition.

Some of the data is useful but IMO, so much of Scientology good is so surrounded by mind bending bad, that it's just best to stay away from it as the "good" is the glue to the trap.

 

[lynnie]

The "tech always works", except when it doesn't, and THEN it is only and always because of an SP (out-ethics). Hubbard really RIGGED it all in HIS favor.

B I N G O!

 

[Operating DB]

That PTS/SP crap got me to thinking. It's not good karma to commit overts on an SP. So why did Hubturd invent the fair game thing? Wouldn't one's fair game overts on an SP boomerang back eventually? Ya know, all that overt/motivator tech we learned? Maybe that's why Hubturd pulled in all those motivators.

 

[guanoloco]

Well, I was so damned PTS to my SP self that when I failed to disconnect from myself like a good little robot stays connected to the SP terminal that I declared myself for not disconnecting.

(Yes, dear reader, this was an abysmal attempt at wry humor that is most certainly going to fail in all aspects. However, if the above seems to indicate a schizophrenic state of mind please be advised that it makes more sense and is in fact more rational than anything emanating from the Church of Scientology and L. Con Hu666ard in the past, present or future.)

 

[guanoloco]

That PTS/SP crap got me to thinking. It's not good karma to commit overts on an SP. So why did Hubturd invent the fair game thing? Wouldn't one's fair game overts on an SP boomerang back eventually? Ya know, all that overt/motivator tech we learned? Maybe that's why Hubturd pulled in all those motivators.

Quite verbatim literally and factually (well, to be honest, not verbatim as in word-for-word) the super duper tech states that the ONLY way to GO PTS is to HAVE overts on the SP.

That is a hard cold factual fact of your last 75 trillion years of amnesia and pain and all that.

In other words, what you wrote is a great question and perhaps better answered by the infamous Hu666ard Law of Commotion where for each and every tech and policy there is an equal and opposite tech and policy - it goes something like that - hell, you don't expect me to get this verbatim stuff, well, actually V-E-R-B-A-T-I-M do you? SHEESH!!

 

[Gadfly]

That PTS/SP crap got me to thinking. It's not good karma to commit overts on an SP. So why did Hubturd invent the fair game thing? Wouldn't one's fair game overts on an SP boomerang back eventually? Ya know, all that overt/motivator tech we learned? Maybe that's why Hubturd pulled in all those motivators.

Even forgetting about "karma", and leaving it fully within the context of "Scientology data", how and why could it EVER be okay to "harm anything"? :confused2:

I mean, when one commits "harmful acts", one ALWAYS develops withholds and motivators. Does that mechanism somehow get temporarily turned off when the harmful acts are against a "bad person"? I think not.

Hubbard says right in the PTS/SP materials that the PTS person "becomes PTS" because of overts against the SP! In other words, if one STOPS committing overts "against the SP", then one would no longer "be the effect" of the SP. Right? It makes total sense within the framework of Hubbard's ideas. So, just stop "attacking" critics and people who don't agree with you, and watch, some or many would probably "go away". But, the Church's OWN incessant acts to "harm the SPs" keeps they themselves PTS!

Yet, he sets it up so that one is allowed to and even ENCOURAGED to COMMIT HARMFUL ACTS against the SP! That is just ANOTHER of one of the MANY contradictions in Hubbard's subject. Granted, it is set it up so that the SPs would remain largely "off the lines of the usual Scientologist", and only OSA and select deputized staff and public would purposely "act to harm the SPs".

But there are two more points about that last. First, if you contribute to Scientology and especially to the IAS, you ARE contributing to "harmful acts" against SPs. One might try to weasel out of it by saying, "yeah but we didn't know". Except for, second, per Hubbard "the thetan always knows" - even if only "deep down", and while possibly not always in "full aware consciousness", the THETAN IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IT CONTRIBUTES TO.

So, once again, endless contradictions from the master of confusion himself - L. Darn Hubturd.

Oh, one other interesting tidbit is that Hubbard said about cycles of action ad creating, that creation often must involve at least SOME "destruction". And, while "harm" and "destruction" are NOT the same things, I could see how a mind filled with Hubbard's nonsense might equate the two and thus JUSTIFY why it is "okay to destroy the SPs to help CREATE a better world". Total fruitcakes, these card-carrying fanatic Scientologists.

Scientology - knowing how to make nonsense "make sense"!

Scientology - knowing how to know (idiocies).

See, Hubbard left out the OBJECT in this sentence:

Knowing how to know

But, really, knowing how to know WHAT?

Scientologists have been intensely trained (indoctrinated) to "make sense" of what is often complete NONSENSE. So YOU fill in the blank:

Scientology is knowing how to know (fill in the blank).

Here are a few more:

Scientology is knowing how to know lies as truth.

Scientology is knowing how to know what you would have been better off NOT "knowing".

Scientology is knowing how to know a great many dumb ideas.

 

[guanoloco]

Infantile Hubbard and his slaves.

Secret Lives:​

On board, Hubbard had a personal guard, called the Commodore's Messengers.

GERRY ARMSTRONG:
"They took care of everything for him, they dressed him, they got him ready for bed, they lit his cigarettes, they held his ashtray."

MIKE GOLDSTEIN - Hubbard's financial controller:
"Most of the messengers were young girls - 13,14,15. They were an extension of his communication, so when somebody saw them on the ship or they came up to them, it was like you were talking to him."

On one occasion, Gerry Armstrong, who had been sent on a shore errand, was visited by one of Hubbard's messengers.

GERRY ARMSTRONG:
"This was Terri, who was later to be my wife. She came to me where I was working and said 'The Commodore wants to know, is it true that when you were ashore, you went to the US Embassy and applied for some 30-some-odd visas?' And I said 'Yes sir' because that's how you respond to the messenger Her next message was, 'The Commodore says you're a fucking asshole!' "

Having instigated 'Snow White' Hubbard rejoined his ship in the Canary Islands. There he had a serious motorbike accident. His mood dramatically worsened.

HANA ELTRINGHAM:
"This was his period which I called the pouting, the crying, the mad period where he would cry and throw things against the wall, the bulkheads and pout and scream. Right towards the tail end of that he created the RPF, the 'Rehabilitation Project Force'."

With the money rolling in, Hubbard moved to California, where he'd play his last great role. His ambition was to film sci-fi blockbusters based on his books, but he ended up making Scientology training films.

JIM DINCALCI:
"The movie mogul - Cecil B DeMille. You know, it was like he was. He tried to be bigger than life. But he just wasn't. So he would make these extravagant sets. They were ludicrous. They were not big productions. They were just silliness. They were egomaniac. He tried to be blustery and big and powerful, but if you looked, just stepped and observed, you could see that he had fear about everything. And finally the fear came down to dust particles, little teeny dust particles."

GERRY ARMSTRONG:
"He had phobias about dust, he had phobias about smells, he had phobias about sounds. He would hear sounds that weren't there and he would scream at the sound technician. He would see things that weren't there and he would scream at the people who were framing the shot. And he would smell smells that weren't there and he would have people rinse his clothing some 13 or 15 or however many times."

LA Times Series Scientology:​

L. Ron Hubbard enjoyed being pampered.

He surrounded himself with teen-age followers, whom he indoctrinated, treated like servants and cherished as though they were his own children.

He called them the "Commodore's messengers."

" 'Messenger!' " he would boom in the morning. "And we'd pull him out of bed," one recalled.

The youngsters, whose parents belonged to Hubbard's Church of Scientology, would lay out his clothes, run his shower and help him dress.

He taught them how to sprinkle powder in his socks and gently slip them on so as not to pull the hairs on his legs.

They made sure the temperature in his room never varied from 72 degrees. They boiled water at night to keep the humidity just right. They would hand him a cigarette and follow in his footsteps with an ashtray.

When Hubbard's bursitis acted up, a messenger would wrap his shoulders in a lumberjack shirt that had been warmed on a heater.

Long gone were those days when Hubbard was scratching out a living. Now, in the early 1970s, he fancied silk pants, ascots and nautical caps. It was evident that the red-haired author had enjoyed many a good meal.

It was a high honor for Scientologists to serve beside Hubbard, even if it meant performing such dreary tasks as ironing his clothes or ferrying his messages. But, for some, it was also disconcerting. The privileged few who worked at his side saw personality flaws and quirks not reflected in the staged photographs or in Hubbard's biographies.

They came to know the man behind the mystique.

They said he could display the temperament of a spoiled child and the eccentricities of a reclusive Howard Hughes.

When upset, Hubbard was known to erupt like a volcano, spewing obscenities and insults.

Former Scientologist Adelle Hartwell once testified during a Florida hearing on Scientology that she saw Hubbard "throw fits."

"I actually saw him take his hat off one day and stomp on it and cry like a baby."

In later life, one thing that could throw the irascible Hubbard into a rage was the scent of soap in his clothes. "I was petrified of doing the laundry," one former messenger said.

To protect themselves from a Hubbard tirade, the messengers rinsed his clothes in 13 separate buckets of water.

Doreen Gillham, who had who spent her teen years with Hubbard, never forgot what happened when a longtime aide offered him a freshly laundered shirt after he had taken a shower.

"He immediately grabbed the collar and put it up to his nose, then threw it down," said Gillham, who died recently in a horseriding accident.

"He went to the closet and proceeded to sniff all the shirts. He would tear them off the hangers and throw them down. We're talking 30 shirts on the floor."

He let out a "long whine," Gillham said, and then began screaming about the smell.

"I picked up a shirt off the floor, smelled it and said, 'There is no soap on this shirt.' I didn't smell anything in any of them. He grudgingly put it on," said Gillham, who added: "Deep down inside, I'm telling myself, 'This guy is nuts!' "

Gillham said that Hubbard had become obsessed not only with soap smells but with dust, which aggravated his allergies. He demanded white-glove inspections but never seemed satisfied with the results.

No matter how clean the room, Gillham said, "he would insist that it be dusted over and over and over again."

Gillham, formerly one of Hubbard's most loyal and trusted messengers, said his behavior became increasingly erratic after he crashed a motorcycle in the Canary Islands in the early 1970s.

"He realized his own mortality," she said. "He was in agony for months. He insisted, with a broken arm and broken ribs, that he was going to heal himself and it didn't work."

According to those who knew him well, Hubbard was neither affectionate nor much of a family man. He seemed closer to his handpicked messengers than to his own seven children, one of whom he later denied fathering.

Although Hubbard cast himself as a humble servant to mankind, former assistants said he was not without ego. He craved adulation and coveted fame.

Sullivan, the former public relations officer, recalled how after an appearance he would ask: "How many minutes of applause did I get? How many times did they say, 'Hip, hip, hurray!'? How many people showed up?

How many letters did I get?"

"If you remained in awe of him ... he was great," said Sullivan, who had a falling out with the church in 1981. "If you crossed him, or appeared to cross him, he would lash out at you, scream at you, accuse you of things."

Gillham and other former aides said he would accuse even his most devout aides of trying to poison him if he did not like the taste of a meal that had been laboriously prepared for his table. "Somebody's trying to kill me!" former aides said he would shout. "What have I done? All I've tried to do is help man."

He envisioned global conspiracies designed to smash Scientology, and he ingrained this dark view in the minds of his followers through his many writings.

Understanding Scientology:​

Among the many affirmations that Hubbard was known to have used was the following:

All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!

Hubbard and Parsons struck up an occult partnership, the result of which was a series of rituals they carried out with the objective of producing a "moonchild," an incarnation of "Babylon" in an unborn child. A woman in the house was chosen to be the mother of this satanic child.

During these rituals, which took place on the first three days of March 1946, Parsons was High Priest and had sexual intercourse with the girl, while Hubbard, who was present, acted as skryer, seer, or clairvoyant and described what was supposed to be happening on the astral plane.

Later, Hubbard was to reveal some of his occult beliefs to his son in a conversation documented by L. Ron Hubbard, Jr.

"I've made the Magick really work," he (Hubbard, Sr.) says. "No more foolish rituals. I've stripped the Magick to basics -- access without liability."

"Sex by will," he says. "Love by will -- no caring and no sharing -- no feelings. None. Love reversed. Love isn't sex. Love is no good; puts you at effect. Sex is the route to power. Scarlet women! They are the secret to the doorway. Use and consume. Feast. Drink the power through them. Waste and discard them."

"Scarlet?" I (Hubbard, Jr.) ask.

"Yes, Scarlet: the blood of their bodies; the blood of their souls.

"Release your will from bondage. Bend their bodies; bend their minds; bend their wills; beat back the past. The present is all there is. No consequences and no guilt. Nothing is wrong in the present. The will is free -- totally free; no feelings; no effort; pure thought -- separated. The Will postulating the Will.

"Will, Sex, Love, Blood, Door, Power, Will. Logical.

"The Doorway of Plenty. The Great Door of the Great Beast."

Hubbard should probably have been diagnosed as a manic-depressive with paranoid tendencies, according to several people who knew him well. Certainly he did have periods of deep depression from time to time, in which he lay in bed in a torpor, once telling one of his attendants that he wanted to die.

"He developed phobias about dust and smells which were the cause of frequent explosive temper tantrums. He was always complaining that his clothes smelled of soap or he was being choked by dust that no one else could detect." On his trips between the ship and a rented villa in Las Palmas, "he would insist on stopping because there was dust in the air conditioning. He would get into such a rage that on occasions I thought he was going to tear the car apart."

His temper tantrums were to increase with age. After a motorcycle accident in Tenerife in the Canary Islands in which he broke his arm and several ribs, he was in a particularly vile temper:

"He didn't get out of that red chair for three months," said Doreen Smith (one of his young aides in the Commodore's Messenger Organization). "He'd sleep for about forty-five minutes at a time, then be awake for hours, screaming and shouting. It was impossible to get him comfortable. None of us got any sleep. I was better with a cushion. Someone else was better with a footstool, someone else with cotton padding, so every time he woke up we all had to be in there, fussing around him while he was screaming at us that we were all `stupid fucking shitheads' ... he was out of control...."

According to another aide, after the accident at Tenerife, conditions aboard the ship took a turn for the worse:

His actions definitely became more bizarre after the motorcycle accident. You could hear him throughout the ship screaming, shouting, ranting and raving day after day. He was always claiming that the cooks were trying to poison him and he began to smell odors everywhere. His clothes had to be washed in pure water thirteen times, using thirteen different buckets of clean water to rinse a shirt so he wouldn't smell detergent on it.

His young messengers bore the brunt of his temper throughout his later years, although they continued to serve him with devotion.

According to one Sea Org member who later defected:

His messengers were there to cater to Hubbard's every need. The girls would stick cigarettes in his mouth and light them. They had to catch his cigarette ashes. If a drop of sweat was on his forehead, they had to wipe it off. Every word he said had to be written down by the girls. Whenever he appeared people would clap. If it was four in the morning, and nobody could see straight, people would clap.

The girls in the Sea Org also served as his personal attendants.

When he woke up he would yell "Messenger" and two of us would go into his room straight away. He would usually be lying in his bunk in his underwear with one arm outstretched, waiting for us to pull him up to a sitting position. While one of us put a robe around his shoulders, the other one would give him a cigarette, a Kool non-filter, light it and stand ready with an ashtray. I would run into the bathroom to make sure his toothbrush, soap and razor were all laid out in a set fashion and I prepared his bath, checked the shampoo, towel and temperature of the water.

When he went into the bathroom we would lay out his clothes, powder his socks and shoes and fold everything ready to get him dressed. Everything had to be right because if it wasn't he would yell at us and we didn't want to upset him. The last thing we wanted to do was upset him. When he came out of the shower, he would be in his underwear. Two of us held his pants off the floor as he stepped into them. He didn't like the trouser legs to touch the floor, God forbid that should happen. We pulled up his pants and buckled his belt, although he zipped them. We put on his shirt, buttoned it up, put his Kools in his shirt pocket, tied his cravat and combed his hair. All this time he'd be standing there watching us run around him. Then we'd follow him out on to the deck carrying anything he might need -- cloak, hat, binoculars, ashtray, spare cigarettes, anything he could possibly think of wanting. We felt it was an honor and a privilege to do anything for him.

Once asked what inspired him to form the CMO (Commodore's Messenger Organization):

He said it was an idea he had picked up from Nazi Germany. He said Hitler was a madman, but nevertheless a genius in his own right and the Nazi Youth was one of the smartest ideas he ever had. With young people you had a blank slate and you could write anything you wanted on it and it would be your writing. That was his idea, to take young people and mold them into little Hubbards. He said he had girls because women were more loyal than men.

According to some of the messengers, Hubbard did not have sex with them. One of the messengers stated, "I think he got his thrills by just having us around."

One reason for this is that Hubbard was reportedly impotent. "It is documented that Hubbard used huge amounts of testosterone, stilbestrol (a female sex hormone). Taking the sex hormones were his solution to an impotence problem."

But after Quentin's death, "he reverted to the familiar bellowing, foul-mouthed tyrant, plagued by phobias, surrounded by fools and besieged by enemies."

Hubbard was deteriorating in body as well as in mind and spirit. He is described by a messenger upon meeting him for the first time, in the desert in California during the late seventies:

The first night I was there I didn't talk to LRH (Hubbard) since he was busy, but I saw him. He had long reddish-grey hair down past his shoulders, rotting teeth and a really fat gut. He didn't look anything like his pictures. The next day I met him. He was doing exercises in the courtyard and called me over. I was nervous meeting him. I was really surprised that I didn't feel this "electric something or other" that I was told happens when you are around him.

Another messenger working with him in the desert says, in describing her first meeting with Hubbard, that:

I was working in the wardrobe department when I heard a barrage of abuse from behind a screen: "You dirty goddam sons of bitches, you're so goddam stupid. Fuck you, cocksuckers..." It seemed to go on for several minutes. I said, "Who in the world is that?" They said it was the Boss -- we weren't allowed to use the name Hubbard for security reasons. "You mean the leader of the church speaks like that?" I asked. "Oh, yes," was the reply, "he doesn't believe in keeping anything back."

But later, in hiding in Hemet, his mood once again seemed to improve.

In the evenings he would reminisce to a small, but always attentive, audience. He was a good storyteller and it was nice to listen to him. He told us once how he was Tamburlaine's wife and how he had wept when Tamburlaine was routed in his last great battle. Another time he was on a disabled spaceship that landed here before life began and realized the potential and brought seeds back from another planet to fertilize planet earth....

This young follower said that he recalled:

... sitting on the floor with a couple of messengers while (Hubbard) played hillbilly songs on his guitar and talked about the time he had earned his living as a troubadour in the Blue Mountains. "I think he made up the songs as he went along.... Afterward, everyone clapped."

During his last five years, fearing discovery by federal officials, Hubbard went into even deeper seclusion, retiring with three trusted messengers to a secret ranch in Creston, California. In a final glimpse, one of his neighbors, a man named Robert Whaley, said Hubbard could be seen:

... pottering around in baggy blue pants and a yellow straw hat, taking photographs. He was overweight, and with his white hair and white beard, reminded Whaley of Kentucky Chicken's Colonel Sanders. Once Whaley walked across to (the ranch) to see if he could borrow a tool and surprised the old man in the stable. (Hubbard) was busy filing a piece of metal and was evidently not pleased to see his neighbor: he glared suspiciously at Whaley for a second, then scurried off into a workshop without a word, locking the door behind him.

Ron Hubbard seeded the planet for life.

WOOT!

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Excellent post there Guanoloco! I love these little compilations, sort of puts the crazy into a nice readable package

 

[Panda Termint]

Excellent post there Guanoloco! I love these little compilations, sort of puts the crazy into a nice readable package

Kinda like one of those Greatest Hits compilations, right?