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Karen de la Carriere YouTube Channel Part 2

Karen#1

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***New Video***
Peter Nyiri shares his ongoing story on life in the cult and FLEEING the Cult
Jeffrey Augustine continues the conversation. Says Jeffrey: “Peter Nyiri shares an inside view of the Sea Org culture within: How does the Sea Org act towards each other? For example, Peter had several bosses who constantly gave him multiple and conflicting orders — and this while expecting him to get all orders done all at once. Peter also talks about the constant screaming and endless mental abuse inflicted upon Sea Org members by Sea Org managers. Peter also discusses Scientology TV; the inefficiency of Scientology’s in-house printing factory called Bridge Publications; and the psychologically cruel event that caused him and his wife to escape from the Sea Org.”


 
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Type4_PTS

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***New Video***
Peter Nyiri shares his ongoing story on life in the cult and FLEEING the Cult
Jeffrey Augustine continues the conversation. Says Jeffrey: “Peter Nyiri shares an inside view of the Sea Org culture within: How does the Sea Org act towards each other? For example, Peter had several bosses who constantly gave him multiple and conflicting orders — and this while expecting him to get all orders done all at once. Peter also talks about the constant screaming and endless mental abuse inflicted upon Sea Org members by Sea Org managers. Peter also discusses Scientology TV; the inefficiency of Scientology’s in-house printing factory called Bridge Publications; and the psychologically cruel event that caused him and his wife to escape from the Sea Org.”


Thank-you Karen, and ...

Happy (belated) Birthday!

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Gib

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***New Video***
Peter Nyiri shares his ongoing story on life in the cult and FLEEING the Cult
Jeffrey Augustine continues the conversation. Says Jeffrey: “Peter Nyiri shares an inside view of the Sea Org culture within: How does the Sea Org act towards each other? For example, Peter had several bosses who constantly gave him multiple and conflicting orders — and this while expecting him to get all orders done all at once. Peter also talks about the constant screaming and endless mental abuse inflicted upon Sea Org members by Sea Org managers. Peter also discusses Scientology TV; the inefficiency of Scientology’s in-house printing factory called Bridge Publications; and the psychologically cruel event that caused him and his wife to escape from the Sea Org.”


so Peter realizes Sea Org exex's aren't following Hubbard policy. Good cognition to have. Same cognition I had when I got the Debbie Cook email. Thru further research I realized the Hubbard was a lying son of a bitch.
 

Karen#1

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***New Video***
part 3
Peter Niyri discusses the ways in David Miscavige and RTC Rep Network issues orders concerning the day-to-day operations of the Church of Scientology Int'l. The directly contravenes what Miscavige's attorneys told a Texas court when they claimed Miscavige had nothing to do with managing the daily affairs of CSI.
There are no checks and balances in the Church of Scientology as it told the IRS in its 1992 1023 application for 501(c)3 tax exemption.
Peter also describes the extremely poor quality -- literally nonexistent at times of medical care in the Sea Org.
Peter then switches topics to the release of the Basics in 2007 when the focus in Scientology was selling Basics libraries. He and his fellow Sea Org members worked from 9:15 AM to 5:00 AM -- an 18 workday. This was done seven days a week for six months.

 

TheOriginalBigBlue

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So the top weekly pay for a Sea Org member is now $100.00. That is an important data point. We knew it used to be $50.00. In 1977 as I recall it was $20.00 but we were rarely given the full rate. Often it was around $3.00 to $10.00. So I have to wonder how consistently this $100.00 is paid? Looking back at my Social Security summary those Sea Org years were a bunch of zeros. I don't recall paying taxes or making enough to be required to file a return. But Peter is saying that taxes are being withheld from that $100.00. When I do an inflation calculation for $20.00 in 1977 for $100.00 in 2017 it is about $83.00 so backing out taxes from $100.00 sounds about right for the Sea Org take home pay only being pegged to the rate of inflation starting from $20.00 in the late 70s.

But, $20.00 adjusted for inflation would have hit $50.30 in 1995 so how long and for how much did the COS milk the crew by keeping wages below the rate of inflation?

Also, were there additional deprivations such as expenditures on food and medical? And were work hours longer and harder with less time off? One of the big draws to joining the Sea Org is the offer of getting your Bridge and training for free. So was there a decrease in the amount of "Personnel Enhancement, auditing and training" during this time?

Even though the working conditions and remunerations were awful in the 70s and 80s my sense is that all of these factors became increasingly less favorable while pay was kept below even the rate of inflation. There were so many factors that started dragging down the income and membership back then: the FBI raids, the cynical regular inflation price increases for auditing and training, the heavy ethics, the Mission Holder's Conference - that we were often on reduced pay and rice and beans. When stats crashed because of Hubbard's or senior management's insanity it was always taken out on the crew. Of course now we know while that was happening Miscavige was busy helping Hubbard funnel somewhere between 40 to 80 million into private offshore accounts. I can't imagine that conditions ever got better. I can see why they would shift away from broad public appeal to whale hunting. The only positive factor I see here is that if Sea Org crew are filing returns regularly now then they will be building up credits for Social Security whereas by not filing at all they get nothing.

EDIT: It should be obvious to anyone that the government's inflation indices are rigged to understate the actual cost of living especially with essentials like gas, food and housing and by region. Inflation will be much higher in California and Florida than Arkansas but most Sea Org crew are in California and Florida but their wage is pegged to an inflation rate more appropriate to Arkansas.
 
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Karen#1

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The supposed pay is $100 a week, but this is often slashed to 1/2 pay, 1/4 pay for numerous reasons..
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
The poverty pay was not just a Sea Org staff thing.

The poverty pay also occurred for most franchise mission staff.
(At least the Sea Org staff got room & board.)
 
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FoTi

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***New Video***
part 3

Peter Niyri discusses the ways in David Miscavige and RTC Rep Network issues orders concerning the day-to-day operations of the Church of Scientology Int'l. The directly contravenes what Miscavige's attorneys told a Texas court when they claimed Miscavige had nothing to do with managing the daily affairs of CSI.
There are no checks and balances in the Church of Scientology as it told the IRS in its 1992 1023 application for 501(c)3 tax exemption.
Peter also describes the extremely poor quality -- literally nonexistent at times of medical care in the Sea Org.
Peter then switches topics to the release of the Basics in 2007 when the focus in Scientology was selling Basics libraries. He and his fellow Sea Org members worked from 9:15 AM to 5:00 AM -- an 18 workday. This was done seven days a week for six months.

Thanks for posting this Karen.

Waiting for the next one. :popcorn:
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

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The poverty pay was not just a Sea Org staff thing.

The poverty pay also occurred for most franchise mission staff.
(At least the Sea Org staff got room & board.)
True, but let's flesh that out a bit for our readers.

The room for single SO crew is often going to be a dorm shared with as many as 12 to 15 military bunks stacked three high, possibly many more. The top bunk may be only about 2 1/2 feet from the ceiling. If it has an attached bathroom the bathroom may be common to another room - in other words shared between around 30 people. Sea Org life is very transient so there is a high turnover of roommates. Many people who join the SO are young or were not financially independent or highly successful and lack good etiquette and respect for private property and dorm life.

Married couples get their own room, unless one partner was away on mission, or training or on the RPF for an extended period then the other partner would be put back in a dorm and if the quality of the room is coveted by someone who is in better favor then you can be downgraded at any time and you may share a Jack-and-Jill bathroom with a singles dorm.

Bedbugs and cockroaches were a constant problem in my experience.

The berthing building will have 24-7 security so you have to log in and out and free movement and visitation will be restricted. You generally can't have TV or phones and your mail is monitored. I'm not sure what the restrictions on computers, email and internet access are but I expect both post and personal computers are highly restricted and monitored. We now know that they record vital information from your mail such as bank accounts, credit cards and contact info which can be used to track you down if you blow or defect. If they see you have come into money in your mail you may be crush regged to donate it to the IAS.

If you are away on mission, training or the RPF your personal belongings may be haphazardly put in storage in piles with other people's stuff, including people who have long since blown. I've seen such piles that have been so dug through by people trying to find their stuff that it was like a pile of Goodwill donations.

There will be restrictions on the use of heat and A/C, whether you can open windows or open window coverings, etc. The door may or may not have a lock but security will have a key.

Security may conduct inspection for anything they consider contraband or out-security any time without notice. There will be white-glove inspections of your room and surrounding areas and you will stay up all night until you pass.

If you want to leave you must route out which requires a sec-check and security escort. If you blow you can only take what you can carry or sneak out a little at a time and they will conduct a blow drill to track you down and bring you back, after which there will be lower conditions, RPF, sec-checks, SP declare, fitness board, other people including your spouse and children may be required to divorce or disconnect, etc.

Your roommates can be expected to write ethics chits and to rat you out for any violations of policy or perceived transgression.

The institutional food was always a problem after a while because it lacks the variety and nutrition to maintain good health over time. Food is generally prepared in large kettles and gets overcooked. Often you must eat under strict time constraints. There is no allowance for special dietary needs without written orders from the Medical Liaison Officer. You can't take food to your dorm (although they still do) - ergo the cockroaches. If you try to get food from the galley without written permission or eat midrats (Midnight Rations) without being on the list you will be punished, even though you are probably routinely working 18 hour days.

Vitamin supplements are generally available and they are really big on multi-vitamins, vitamin C, calcium magnesium and B-Complex. From my observation the combination of stress, sleep deprivation and being over worked causes the body metabolism to turn on itself after several years of this and with the loss of muscle mass and pungent supplements like B-Complex the body odor gets really noxious. When I see pictures and videos of Sea Org members with dark circles under their eyes and gaunt pasty complexions it reminds me of how the whole Sea Org experience breaks a body down from the inside out.

Food is often used as a punishment. If the org's stats are down the whole org can be put on rice and beans for weeks or months, with no condiments. They go through a separate line where all other staff can see who is on rice and beans. Very rarely will there be something special as a reward. CMO and other special units get their own dining rooms, menus and permanently posted servers and chefs.

At least as non-Sea Org staff you are still kind of ruling in your own little hell as opposed to serving in Hubbard's heaven.
 

FoTi

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If they see you have come into money in your mail you may be crush regged to donate it to the IAS.
I was non-Sea Org at AOLA in the late 80's. I remember this lady joined the SO....she had her own money. As soon as she joined my senior was regging her to pay for books. She wouldn't buy the books. My senior said she was in treason for not coughing up the money to buy the books. My senior went after her like a vulture. No way was she going to let that woman keep what was personally hers. In the SO, if you have money....what's yours is not yours....it's theirs to suck off of you to keep up their stats for the week. Staff wants to extract your funds from your bank account. Maybe it should be called Extractology (the study of extracting someone's money for the benefit of the CoS) instead of being called Scientology.
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

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I was non-Sea Org at AOLA in the late 80's. I remember this lady joined the SO....she had her own money. As soon as she joined my senior was regging her to pay for books. She wouldn't buy the books. My senior said she was in treason for not coughing up the money to buy the books. My senior went after her like a vulture. No way was she going to let that woman keep what was personally hers. In the SO, if you have money....what's yours is not yours....it's theirs to suck off of you to keep up their stats for the week. Staff wants to extract your funds from your bank account. Maybe it should be called Extractology (the study of extracting someone's money for the benefit of the CoS) instead of being called Scientology.
Families who have a Scientologist heir also should place their distribution in a thrift fund with clear instructions to the Trustee on how to provide support in a way that it doesn't get taken by the COS. The problem with this is, for example, if a Sea Org member has a car, they will be paying for gas, maintenance, insurance, etc. but the COS will assign them jobs requiring use of the car without full if any compensation. It is impossible to be in the Sea Org and not be subject to what a normal person would recognize as exploitation.
 

Karen#1

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After 22 years of giving the Cult of Scientology the benefit of the doubt that all would work out for the better, Peter not only escaped but, in a dramatic pulse-pounding episode, worked out a plan in which his wife escaped with him at Tampa Airport. This escape was planned down to the second given that Scientology uses its "Blow Drill" tactics to immediately team to track down and capture escaped Sea Org members. This video covers more of inside culture in the cult.
A married couple does not get a private space but lives in bunk berthing with their own sex for some months til they get allocated a room !
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
True, but let's flesh that out a bit for our readers.

The room for single SO crew is often going to be a dorm shared with as many as 12 to 15 military bunks stacked three high, possibly many more. The top bunk may be only about 2 1/2 feet from the ceiling. If it has an attached bathroom the bathroom may be common to another room - in other words shared between around 30 people. Sea Org life is very transient so there is a high turnover of roommates. Many people who join the SO are young or were not financially independent or highly successful and lack good etiquette and respect for private property and dorm life.

Married couples get their own room, unless one partner was away on mission, or training or on the RPF for an extended period then the other partner would be put back in a dorm and if the quality of the room is coveted by someone who is in better favor then you can be downgraded at any time and you may share a Jack-and-Jill bathroom with a singles dorm.

Bedbugs and cockroaches were a constant problem in my experience.
Nor to mention that the bathroom sharing commands a thorough morning planning in order to allow each one to shower.
When there are 10 roomates in need of a shower and there is half an hour left, that means 2-3 minutes each to shower.

How this is workable ??? each one is queuing, completely naked, and they come in and out of the shower = zero intimacy no dignity and humiliating. (Animal hord living conditions..purposely arranged this way...as the end justify the means)

Sea org living conditions are even worse than the third world ...and this Elite corp, brought to live like a animal hord, is supposed to bring sanity on this planet...
 
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Type4_PTS

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Nor to mention that the bathroom sharing commands a thorough morning planning in order to allow each one to shower.
When there are 10 roomates in need of a shower and there is half an hour left, that means 2-3 minutes each to shower.

How this is workable ??? each one is queuing, completely naked, and they come in and out of the shower = zero intimacy no dignity and humiliating. (Animal hord living conditions..purposely arranged this way...as the end justify the means)

Sea org living conditions are even worse than the third world ...and this Elite corp, brought to live like a animal hord, is supposed to bring sanity on this planet...
Yes, I personally experienced what you're describing here.

Certainly it was not one of the highlights of my day! :eek:
 

Karen#1

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Today I did a live radio show which broadcast out of Bogota Columbia but also reached these locations
Bogotá
Medellin
Cali
Barranquilla
Bucaramanga
Pereira
Ibagué
Cartagena
Tunja
Cúcuta
Neiva
Popayán
Armenia
Hunting
Manizales
Arauca
Grass
Corozal
Santa Marta
Duitama
Valledupar
Villavicencio
Geographical areas
Miami
NY
Madrid.
It is also syndicated to several Latin American Countries.


There was an immediate translator in real time, I speak French but not Spanish.
Most clever question from the host :
As the most precious thing we have on earth is FAMILY and the FAMILY
unit, why is Scientology so destructive of families and why is there so
much media on families broken up and destroyed by Scientology ?
I spent a few minutes on Miscavige and his violence and referred them to CNN A history of violence.
It was a fun morning !
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Wilbur

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It says in the flier: "The Way to Happiness is a spectacular tool. It changed the way I think."

I can empathise with this guy, because reading the Way to Happiness also changed the way I think. After reading it, I was thinking "Why is it that my Church expects me to be honest and straight, and keep my promises. But when they promise something to me, the promise means nothing to them when it's time to honour it?"
 

Wilbur

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Nor to mention that the bathroom sharing commands a thorough morning planning in order to allow each one to shower.
When there are 10 roomates in need of a shower and there is half an hour left, that means 2-3 minutes each to shower.

How this is workable ???
You didn't know standard tech, that's all. The solution is five to a shower at the same time. That leaves you a good 15 minutes to complete your shower. Same as egg tech (perfected in the Brook House SO residence at St. Hill, the home of standard tech): ten SO members try to cook their egg in the frying pan at the same time. The one who makes it go right the most gets to eat first. Downstats (those who don't know how to apply tone 40 intention) get to eat their egg raw.

Does anyone know what happened to Brook (or is it Brooke?) House after it burned down? Did they rebuild it?
 
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