Karen de la Carriere YouTube Channel Part 2

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Nor to mention that the bathroom sharing commands a thorough morning planning in order to allow each one to shower.
When there are 10 roomates in need of a shower and there is half an hour left, that means 2-3 minutes each to shower.

How this is workable ??? each one is queuing, completely naked, and they come in and out of the shower = zero intimacy no dignity and humiliating. (Animal hord living conditions..purposely arranged this way...as the end justify the means)

Sea org living conditions are even worse than the third world ...and this Elite corp, brought to live like a animal hord, is supposed to bring sanity on this planet...

Absolutely correct Lotus!

When I first routed onto the EPF we only had about an hour between after work muster to eat dinner and start course so there would be a rushed line out into the hallway of about 30 guys and inside a regular bathroom with a shower/tub, single sink and one toilet there would be about 8 naked guys snaking their way around the bathroom. As you pass the sink you brush your teeth, as you pass the toilet you do your business either 1 or 2 and in the shower the first guy rinsed then you switch, the first guy soaps up then you switch sides, he rinses while you soap up, next, etc. Same for the women's bathroom.

The Intro to the Sea Org course included instruction on how to take a 30 second shower. Rinse, turn the water off, soap up, rinse, turn the water off but it didn't spell out this daisy chain procedure.

Sea Org members often work long hours, 80 - 130 hour weeks, 2 - 3 day shifts without sleep, so they are coming and going into the dorms 24/7. I would have people of both sexes waking me up in my bunk at all hours to ask the smallest job related question. Granted, there is a certain novelty to having your female co-workers just walk into a room in the middle of the night with about 15 guys in various degrees of undress laying about to ask you for instructions on something but as a quality of life issue, as you are talking to the recruiter, the prospects of a lifetime of this should raise some red flags. This isn't Starship Troopers or a coed army tour in Iraq. It's a fanatical New Age UFO cult with a terrible retirement package.

 

[FoTi]

Today I did a live radio show which broadcast out of Bogota Columbia but also reached these locations
Bogotá
Medellin
Cali
Barranquilla
Bucaramanga
Pereira
Ibagué
Cartagena
Tunja
Cúcuta
Neiva
Popayán
Armenia
Hunting
Manizales
Arauca
Grass
Corozal
Santa Marta
Duitama
Valledupar
Villavicencio
Geographical areas
Miami
NY
Madrid.
It is also syndicated to several Latin American Countries.

There was an immediate translator in real time, I speak French but not Spanish.
Most clever question from the host :
As the most precious thing we have on earth is FAMILY and the FAMILY
unit, why is Scientology so destructive of families and why is there so
much media on families broken up and destroyed by Scientology ?
I spent a few minutes on Miscavige and his violence and referred them to CNN A history of violence.
It was a fun morning !

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[Karen#1]

http://www.wradio.com.co/noticias/s...devotos-ex-miembro/20180813/nota/3785692.aspx

 

[Wilbur]

Absolutely correct Lotus!

When I first routed onto the EPF we only had about an hour between after work muster to eat dinner and start course so there would be a rushed line out into the hallway of about 30 guys and inside a regular bathroom with a shower/tub, single sink and one toilet there would be about 8 naked guys snaking their way around the bathroom. As you pass the sink you brush your teeth, as you pass the toilet you do your business either 1 or 2 and in the shower the first guy rinsed then you switch, the first guy soaps up then you switch sides, he rinses while you soap up, next, etc. Same for the women's bathroom.

The Intro to the Sea Org course included instruction on how to take a 30 second shower. Rinse, turn the water off, soap up, rinse, turn the water off but it didn't spell out this daisy chain procedure.

Sea Org members often work long hours, 80 - 130 hour weeks, 2 - 3 day shifts without sleep, so they are coming and going into the dorms 24/7. I would have people of both sexes waking me up in my bunk at all hours to ask the smallest job related question. Granted, there is a certain novelty to having your female co-workers just walk into a room in the middle of the night with about 15 guys in various degrees of undress laying about to ask you for instructions on something but as a quality of life issue, as you are talking to the recruiter, the prospects of a lifetime of this should raise some red flags. This isn't Starship Troopers or a coed army tour in Iraq. It's a fanatical New Age UFO cult with a terrible retirement package.

That sounds truly awful BB. I experienced having to run up stairs for four floors, queue and eat, and be back in the courseroom for muster in 30 minutes. But having to shit in the same room as multiple guys are taking showers and brushing teeth, with a rota for soaping up and rinsing off - nope. Not totally efficient though, is it? They could have made it so that you soap the guy in front of you, while he rinses you off and brushes your teeth. The guy behind you could take care of your toilet needs (ever watched The Human Centipede?). Then he slots into the middle, and gets HIS teeth brushed. Hahaha.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

That sounds truly awful BB. I experienced having to run up stairs for four floors, queue and eat, and be back in the courseroom for muster in 30 minutes. But having to shit in the same room as multiple guys are taking showers and brushing teeth, with a rota for soaping up and rinsing off - nope. Not totally efficient though, is it? They could have made it so that you soap the guy in front of you, while he rinses you off and brushes your teeth. The guy behind you could take care of your toilet needs (ever watched The Human Centipede?). Then he slots into the middle, and gets HIS teeth brushed. Hahaha.

When you're young some of this isn't a big deal. The EPF is their version of boot camp where they assume everyone doesn't have much experience and in their words "confront" for hard work and difficult or strange situations. And to be fair in many cases they would be right, especially since their prime recruiting market is people right out of High School or starting college. I personally didn't take much offense to it at first. It was kind of a novelty but what struck me more was this was supposed to be the elite of the elite who had their act together enough to save the planet from nuclear war and this wasn't just a deliberate downgrade to serve as boot camp - it pretty much described the whole operation. Things only got continually worse. So this bathroom scene ended up just being the warmer for what would become a lifestyle of enduring one degrading situation after another. OK, so this is a pretty old story and obviously in most berthing buildings now they have more bathrooms but there are still going to be the kinds of shared dorm arrangements I have described.

Readers should understand that many of the things Peter Nyiri is describing are things that I can relate to decades earlier. This isn't an outlier or a difficult phase the organization was going through. Unless you are completely brainwashed into subservience eventually it dawns on you that this is the way it is by design and always will be and you must refuse to live your life that way and leave.

 

[Dave B.]

When I was at Incomm '83-84, we had 10 or 12 bunks in our room. 4th floor of the main building, not Leb. Hall, but the main hospital. Our window looked right down on AOLA and the corner on Berendo and Fountain. Our floor had a dorm/locker room type shower so no problems there. Since we were "special" we had our own dining room too. One time Suzy LaPlaine asked me if visiting staff could use my bunk when I was not in it. I about vomited, I had never heard of such a thing. She saw the look on my face and desisted.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

When I was at Incomm '83-84, we had 10 or 12 bunks in our room. 4th floor of the main building, not Leb. Hall, but the main hospital. Our window looked right down on AOLA and the corner on Berendo and Fountain. Had a dorm/locker room type shower so no problems there. Since we were "special" we had our own dining room too. One time Suzy LaPlaine asked me if visiting staff could use my bunk when I was not in it. I about vomited, I had never heard of such a thing. She saw the look on my face and desisted.

Poor Suzy! Imagine being assigned the job of getting already seriously deprived co-workers to share their little military bunk with strangers. This wouldn't just mean somebody coordinating shifts to use the bunk, which you just know would have conflicts, but these are 3 high so you and your other two bunk mates are sharing the little space under the bottom cot as your personal storage space plus the three of you are hanging laundry on every available free vertical space. Readers, try to imagine this, not just for a few months or a year but decades. If you are on the top bunk the ceiling is about 2' above you, maybe less. All the body heat from 12 to 24 people rises so on a hot night you are baking in bad air. You don't sleep well in the SO. True, you are sleep deprived but the stress makes for bad dreams and you might fall out of the bunk in your sleep. If you are on the bottom bunk the two guys above you have to climb over you to get in and out and all the funky shoes are right under you. If you weren't surrounded with laundry the middle isn't so bad and you might be up against the window which can be good or bad depending on the time of year. So I'm just wondering, were you expected to use the same sheets and pillow case or would this arrangement allow for a minimal change of bedding between shifts?

As I recall, in 1981 they started placing outer org trainees from all over for New World Corp in Sea Org berthing on the 4th floor of the Main Building. OOTs from Mexico were the first wave. They were nice guys and sincerely appreciative for anything. Berthing was already maxed to fit as many 3 high bunks per room as possible in Big Blue. I was amazed at this lack of consideration for the quality of life for the crew.

Married couples were supposed to get their own room but from the organization's perspective putting two people even in a small room that could cram 5 bunks is poor utilization so you can see when they start cramming OOTs into SO berthing what a disincentive they have to accommodate married life amongst the crew.

It was the same at the Fort Harrison. 5 sets of 3 high bunks in a hotel room about 13' x 13' with a single sink bath. And Flag is supposed to be the gold standard for eliteness in the SO but it was just as bad as Big Blue except instead of smog you got the humidity.

Sea Org life is like a Communist commune without the promised redistribution of wealth crossed with a disorganized "The Animal House" frat house without the hedonistic fun - it's a dystopian Navy without a real war.

Don't go!

 

[DagwoodGum]

it's a dystopian Navy without a real war.

All stemming from Hubbard being stuck in a WWII bombing incident that he wanted us all to dramatize with Autie 3, so you were lucky he didn't have you sleeping in foxholes out on the property. But on ships they slept stacked like sardines in bunks, not foxholes. Clear probably came from the "all clear" signal with OT a copy/paste from the Normandy Beach town from D -Day of Autie, pronounced OT.
Had my room not been burglarized of my traveling money on my way to L.A. but having stopped off in Mpls., I would have become immersed in all of that and would have only lasted a week at most. I would have begged my family to send me money for gas to get back home but I never would have stayed long for any of that. They hung a "not dedicated enough" tag on me at TC Org but really I already saw the cracks in Scientology and had already decided to take it slow and remain aloof.

 

[FoTi]

Poor Suzy! Imagine being assigned the job of getting already seriously deprived co-workers to share their little military bunk with strangers. This wouldn't just mean somebody coordinating shifts to use the bunk, which you just know would have conflicts, but these are 3 high so you and your other two bunk mates are sharing the little space under the bottom cot as your personal storage space plus the three of you are hanging laundry on every available free vertical space. Readers, try to imagine this, not just for a few months or a year but decades. If you are on the top bunk the ceiling is about 2' above you, maybe less. All the body heat from 12 to 24 people rises so on a hot night you are baking in bad air. You don't sleep well in the SO. True, you are sleep deprived but the stress makes for bad dreams and you might fall out of the bunk in your sleep. If you are on the bottom bunk the two guys above you have to climb over you to get in and out and all the funky shoes are right under you. If you weren't surrounded with laundry the middle isn't so bad and you might be up against the window which can be good or bad depending on the time of year. So I'm just wondering, were you expected to use the same sheets and pillow case or would this arrangement allow for a minimal change of bedding between shifts?

As I recall, in 1981 they started placing outer org trainees from all over for New World Corp in Sea Org berthing on the 4th floor of the Main Building. OOTs from Mexico were the first wave. They were nice guys and sincerely appreciative for anything. Berthing was already maxed to fit as many 3 high bunks per room as possible in Big Blue. I was amazed at this lack of consideration for the quality of life for the crew.

Married couples were supposed to get their own room but from the organization's perspective putting two people even in a small room that could cram 5 bunks is poor utilization so you can see when they start cramming OOTs into SO berthing what a disincentive they have to accommodate married life amongst the crew.

It was the same at the Fort Harrison. 5 sets of 3 high bunks in a hotel room about 13' x 13' with a single sink bath. And Flag is supposed to be the gold standard for eliteness in the SO but it was just as bad as Big Blue except instead of smog you got the humidity.

Sea Org life is like a Communist commune without the promised redistribution of wealth crossed with a disorganized "The Animal House" frat house without the hedonistic fun - it's a dystopian Navy without a real war.

Don't go!

I remember being at Flag as public, in 1979, staying on the 8th floor of the FH. I had to walk by one of the staff berthing rooms (wall to wall bunk beds) on the way to my room. The stench was overwhelming. I dont know how they could stand living and sleeping in that room. It was horrible.

 

[Wilbur]

As I recall, in 1981 they started placing outer org trainees from all over for New World Corp in Sea Org berthing on the 4th floor of the Main Building. OOTs from Mexico were the first wave. They were nice guys and sincerely appreciative for anything. Berthing was already maxed to fit as many 3 high bunks per room as possible in Big Blue. I was amazed at this lack of consideration for the quality of life for the crew.

I was there around 1990 as an OOT at ITO for the New World Corps. Not sure whether it was the 4th floor - sounds about right - but the conditions were the same as you describe. There must have been 9 or 10 triple bunks in there, all NWO OOTs. We started our courses on two different shifts, and I was in the later shift, which meant that I got woken at 6 in the morning by the early shift getting out of bed to a buzzer, and then had to wake up again when it was my turn to get up. If you came home from study and went straight to bed, you got about 6.5 hours sleep. By the time you wound down and relaxed a bit, you were lucky if you got 6 hours sleep. Some of the older trainees had to CSW for more sleep, because they couldn't function on so little sleep, 7 days a week.

My Org hadn't paid any money for my food etc, so I survived by basically stealing scraps of food from the eating area. I suppose the kitchen staff turned a blind eye if you weren't too blatant about it, because what the hell else were you supposed to do? As long as I got a mouthful of something and a coffee, I seemed to survive. Interestingly, that never ever came up as an overt in session, presumably because it was necessity, so I didn't even regard it as an overt. Also, because my org wasn't paying anything, I had to walk from Big Blue to ITO and back every day (must be about a 3 mile walk). By the time I got back to my org, the shoes were dropping off my feet, and I had a slab of calloused skin on the heel, and another on the ball, half-an-inch thick, of one of my feet, where the shoe was coming apart. I had to have it removed by a chiropodist (i.e., podiatrist) after I got home. I imagine it's the kind of ailment that a chiropodist wouldn't see very often to the extent I had it, as it's an affliction usually reserved, I imagine, for vagrants. A filling also dropped out of my teeth, leaving a big hole in one of my molars. It didn't even OCCUR to me to ask whether I could go and have it treated - I just knew that the answer would be "no", and anyway, who would pay for it? Didn't even occur to me. Had to wait until I got back home. That just shows the mindset that you get into. I'd have felt like I was being a down-stat nuisance asking if I could have medical treatment.

 

[Wilbur]

You didn't know standard tech, that's all. The solution is five to a shower at the same time. That leaves you a good 15 minutes to complete your shower. Same as egg tech (perfected in the Brook House SO residence at St. Hill, the home of standard tech): ten SO members try to cook their egg in the frying pan at the same time. The one who makes it go right the most gets to eat first. Downstats (those who don't know how to apply tone 40 intention) get to eat their egg raw.

Does anyone know what happened to Brook (or is it Brooke?) House after it burned down? Did they rebuild it?

I remember how sorry I felt for the gentler souls in the Sea Org. They were really taken advantage of, it seems to me. You had to be fierce in the SO (not that I was ever in, but I worked alongside them). Anyone with decency had to learn to replace that with fierceness, especially when something they rightfully had was about to be ripped away from them by someone with higher rank (such as a junior, or a right to use some space, or whatever).

What a horrid way to live. One of the great achievements of the human race is that it has (at least somewhat) found ways of lessening the 'might means right' dog-eat-dog existence that would prevail if no proper systems of ethics and justice existed. The SO existence that I witnessed had gone some way toward dismantling all that. It had to be coming from the top down. I think I realised that when I was in, even before I saw how the upper echelons behaved. If I'd stopped to think about it, it wouldn't have been hard to deduce that it must be absolutely nuts at Int.

ETA: Ironically, I was also a very gentle person when I was in Scientology. It wasn't until after I left Scientology that I really toughened up considerably, despite the bizarre life experiences that I had during my brief-but-intense stay on staff.

If I was in Scientology now, I wouldn't take any shit from anybody, regardless of threats of 'loss of one's eternity'.

 

[Dave B.]

Poor Suzy! Imagine being assigned the job of getting already seriously deprived co-workers to share their little military bunk with strangers. This wouldn't just mean somebody coordinating shifts to use the bunk, which you just know would have conflicts, but these are 3 high so you and your other two bunk mates are sharing the little space under the bottom cot as your personal storage space plus the three of you are hanging laundry on every available free vertical space. Readers, try to imagine this, not just for a few months or a year but decades. If you are on the top bunk the ceiling is about 2' above you, maybe less. All the body heat from 12 to 24 people rises so on a hot night you are baking in bad air. You don't sleep well in the SO. True, you are sleep deprived but the stress makes for bad dreams and you might fall out of the bunk in your sleep. If you are on the bottom bunk the two guys above you have to climb over you to get in and out and all the funky shoes are right under you. If you weren't surrounded with laundry the middle isn't so bad and you might be up against the window which can be good or bad depending on the time of year. So I'm just wondering, were you expected to use the same sheets and pillow case or would this arrangement allow for a minimal change of bedding between shifts?

As I recall, in 1981 they started placing outer org trainees from all over for New World Corp in Sea Org berthing on the 4th floor of the Main Building. OOTs from Mexico were the first wave. They were nice guys and sincerely appreciative for anything. Berthing was already maxed to fit as many 3 high bunks per room as possible in Big Blue. I was amazed at this lack of consideration for the quality of life for the crew.

Married couples were supposed to get their own room but from the organization's perspective putting two people even in a small room that could cram 5 bunks is poor utilization so you can see when they start cramming OOTs into SO berthing what a disincentive they have to accommodate married life amongst the crew.

It was the same at the Fort Harrison. 5 sets of 3 high bunks in a hotel room about 13' x 13' with a single sink bath. And Flag is supposed to be the gold standard for eliteness in the SO but it was just as bad as Big Blue except instead of smog you got the humidity.

Sea Org life is like a Communist commune without the promised redistribution of wealth crossed with a disorganized "The Animal House" frat house without the hedonistic fun - it's a dystopian Navy without a real war.

Don't go!

Nope, no change of sheets. That's what creeped me out. It's unsanitary. But in the S.O. if I had brought that up I'd be considered namby-pamby. Suzy looked at me and saw I wasn't buying it so she moved on to the next sucker I guess.

I remember Ginny Berlin giving everyone in the org a shot in the buttcheek of something because some catchy virus or whatever was going around.

The health of staff was not really a consideration until they were forced to do something.

 

[FoTi]

Nope, no change of sheets. That's what creeped me out. It's unsanitary. But in the S.O. if I had brought that up I'd be considered namby-pamby. Suzy looked at me and saw I wasn't buying it so she moved on to the next sucker I guess.

I remember Ginny Berlin giving everyone in the org a shot in the buttcheek of something because some catchy virus or something was going around.

The health of staff was not really a consideration until they were forced to do something.

OMG...that's so disgusting.

 

[DagwoodGum]

Nope, no change of sheets. That's what creeped me out. It's unsanitary. But in the S.O. if I had brought that up I'd be considered namby-pamby. Suzy looked at me and saw I wasn't buying it so she moved on to the next sucker I guess.

I remember Ginny Berlin giving everyone in the org a shot in the buttcheek of something because some catchy virus or something was going around.

The health of staff was not really a consideration until they were forced to do something.

Wow, I would have just freaked fucking out from ALL of that!
Don't you think that their Sea Org staff numbers have plummeted like it has in all the rest of Scientology and that would be what would account for the improved, if they are, living conditions?
I mean much less competition for everything from bunks to food to shower time etc.

 

[FoTi]

Wow, I would have just freaked fucking out from ALL of that!
Don't you think that their Sea Org staff numbers have plummeted like it has in all the rest of Scientology and that would be what would account for the improved, if they are, living conditions?
I mean much less competition for everything from bunks to food to shower time etc.

Do they have improved living conditions?

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Nope, no change of sheets. That's what creeped me out. It's unsanitary. But in the S.O. if I had brought that up I'd be considered namby-pamby. Suzy looked at me and saw I wasn't buying it so she moved on to the next sucker I guess.

I remember Ginny Berlin giving everyone in the org a shot in the buttcheek of something because some catchy virus or whatever was going around.

The health of staff was not really a consideration until they were forced to do something.

Oh man, that is really funky! But that is exactly how they think. There is so little consideration for the crew. In the 70s Hubbard had people sleeping on thin cot mattresses just laying on the floor in Big Blue's basement and then it seems Miscavige had them doing that in The Hole so I suppose we shouldn't be surprised at this. The local Commanding Officers might try to protect their people to some extent but these kinds of ideas often came down from higher up. If Flag Bureau wanted outer org trainees double bunking with regular crew to save money and jack up the income then the COs for LAO, ASHO, AO and other lower units would be under pressure to make it happen. Then there would be favoritism based on income generation so AO crew probably wouldn't be expected to double bunk and upper management crew would be exempt because it would be bad for ethics presence. From my observation that often left ASHO crew to take the brunt of these bright ideas.

LRH ordered that LAO, ASHO and AO be laid out in the Complex in order to create a physical version of the Bridge. He wanted LAO public to see ASHO and want to go up the Bridge to ASHO and then see AO and aspire to go up the Bridge to AO. On the surface this sounds like a good idea but in practice I think it was a disaster. Not only did the orgs compete, predate and subsist on each other but continental management was now in the same building. Senior management is the most self destructive influence in Scientology and now that they were all in one place the management insanity, emergencies and bright ideas like double bunking would be incessant.

 

[FoTi]

I remember how sorry I felt for the gentler souls in the Sea Org. They were really taken advantage of, it seems to me. You had to be fierce in the SO (not that I was ever in, but I worked alongside them). Anyone with decency had to learn to replace that with fierceness, especially when something they rightfully had was about to be ripped away from them by someone with higher rank (such as a junior, or a right to use some space, or whatever).

What a horrid way to live. One of the great achievements of the human race is that it has (at least somewhat) found ways of lessening the 'might means right' dog-eat-dog existence that would prevail if no proper systems of ethics and justice existed. The SO existence that I witnessed had gone some way toward dismantling all that. It had to be coming from the top down. I think I realised that when I was in, even before I saw how the upper echelons behaved. If I'd stopped to think about it, it wouldn't have been hard to deduce that it must be absolutely nuts at Int.

ETA: Ironically, I was also a very gentle person when I was in Scientology. It wasn't until after I left Scientology that I really toughened up considerably, despite the bizarre life experiences that I had during my brief-but-intense stay on staff.

If I was in Scientology now, I wouldn't take any shit from anybody, regardless of threats of 'loss of one's eternity'.

I felt sorry also for the SO staff. What a sorry life.... and they thought they were helping to save the planet when all they were doing was being slaves to help expand LRH's bank account.

I recall one young lady who had given up a budding career in Hollywood to save the planet. She was the maid for my room at the FH. Her help in saving the planet was to make beds, vacuum hotel rooms and clean up after the guests staying there. Saving the planet, my eye,....she was a slave to the cherch and LRH and didn't even know it. I felt really sorry for her and the other slaves at Flag.

I also felt sorry for the auditors because they were under such pressure that they couldn't really do their job well as auditors. I got to experience the foul ups due to all of the crappy way that they were being treated and what they had to adhere to as an SO staff member. I feel like all the shit they had to put up with was a distraction to their being fit to be better auditors.

I remember there was a C/S from ASHO that was at Flag doing some training and they gave him to me to clean up the mess that the Flag auditors were making with me, as part of his internship I guess. He was so much better as an auditor than any of the auditors that I experienced at Flag except for one lady that was a Class 12. I didn't feel sorry for her. She seemed happy with her life....she was an outstanding auditor .....doing what she loved. Years later I looked for her and was told that she was no longer auditing there.....they said she had gone to work on a project taking care of old people. An outstanding Class 12 that people paid $1,000 an hour for? What's wrong with this picture? I really admired her integrity. My guess is that she wouldn't go along with Miscarriage's BS so she was removed and sent elsewhere. What a waste of an outstanding auditor. She was an angel in my eyes. Her wisdom saved me from "going down with the ship" so to speak. I will never forget her. I hope she and her family are safe today.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Do they have improved living conditions?

Good question.

We have heard that they don't have an RPF anymore. Of course, they don't need a formal RPF to apply heavy ethics and create an oppressive thought reorientation existence.

It seems the stated top weekly pay is up from $50.00 to $100.00. Of course, this is the "top" rate and as we know this varies depending on the org's income, stats, conditions, and whatever other reason of convenience for reducing or cancelling pay altogether.

Financial Planning of $29.00 per person per week for food. That is about twice as much as it costs to feed a US prisoner and half the average American: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/foodcosts.html

Outer Org Trainees are a hostage income pool. Management can order or apply intense pressure to make an org send a trainee to Flag or the International Training Org and if they don't pay then that staff becomes an indentured servant to the higher org. If income from public drops off then I'd expect them to desperately ratchet up the OOTs. The orgs can't afford nice berthing and food accommodations for their OOTs and management would want that money anyway so they get crammed into whatever housing is available that could also be used for crew and they use the same galley services as regular staff. I would think this has a deteriorative effect on the quality of living for regular staff. In the SO your berthing assignment or room mates can be changed on a whim any time. A lifetime of this gets old.

And we hear they have backed off of the coerced abortions, although they are probably offloading these people with children outright or onto non-SO posts where they can still be exploited until the children are old enough to be recruited.

I have to question the quality of the workforce also. Who are all these people that, in this day and age, haven't read up on the Sea Org on the internet and who are yet supposed to be sophisticated and able enough to accomplish all the lofty promises of Scientology Technology? They can have a thousands of Sea Org members but if they can't convincingly sell the con then quantity vs quality becomes a serious issue. Maybe they need more berthing space but they are essentially admin or estate related posts that give whales the appearance of activity but doing very little tech delivery. I think the asinine push for video screens and ScioTV illustrates the general lack of faith in staff to positively portray and sell the con, ergo the need to push arbitrary IAS donations and Ideal Org funding.

The stuff they are putting out that we see on Mike Rinder's blog shows a dramatic lack of literacy and common sense. It conveys the impression that the workforce is there because they are needy and desperate, not because it is making them more competent or their quality of life better.

 

[FoTi]

Nope, no change of sheets. That's what creeped me out. It's unsanitary. But in the S.O. if I had brought that up I'd be considered namby-pamby. Suzy looked at me and saw I wasn't buying it so she moved on to the next sucker I guess.

I remember Ginny Berlin giving everyone in the org a shot in the buttcheek of something because some catchy virus or whatever was going around.

The health of staff was not really a consideration until they were forced to do something.

When I was working as a NSO Letter Reg at AOLA in '85, my senior couldn't stand to go to the men's berthing at night to sleep...it was just too awful for him, so....he brought a sleeping bag and slept in central files every night along with the mice (there were a lot of mice...you could hear them squeaking in CF).

Sleeping with mice was more preferable for him than sleeping with all those smelly, snoring guys. He would make his bed on the floor of CF with his sleeping bag and then lock the door after everyone had left for the night.

One morning I came in to work and the door to the CF was locked and he wouldn't open it so we couldn't get to the files to do our work. No matter who banged on the door, he wouldn't open it. Finally Gary Jacobs (ethics) came down and got him out and he was taken away. When he came back he was so self deprecating and horribly apologetic about how he had let LRH down in his actions....he was so down on himself after going thru ethics. It was like he was totally squashed.....so sad.....and all because he just wanted a place where he could sleep peacefully. And he wasn't allowed to sleep in CF anymore. Then they sent him to Flag for some special handling and auditing I guess so they could twist his mind some more and make a better SO member out of him. When he returned he was 100% dedicated to LRH and his duties as an SO staff member and was willing to do anything they told him to do, no matter what. He was totally obedient after they fixed him. It was kind of scary to me, but it seemed to be what he wanted and it was his life, so who was I to judge what he wanted for his life. He was a nice guy. I hope he's okay today.

 

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I have to question the quality of the workforce also. Who are all these people that, in this day and age, haven't read up on the Sea Org on the internet and who are yet supposed to be sophisticated and able enough to accomplish all the lofty promises of Scientology Technology? They can have a thousands of Sea Org members but if they can't convincingly sell the con then quantity vs quality becomes a serious issue. Maybe they need more berthing space but they are essentially admin or estate related posts that give whales the appearance of activity but doing very little tech delivery. I think the asinine push for video screens and ScioTV illustrates the general lack of faith in staff to positively portray and sell the con, ergo the need to push arbitrary IAS donations and Ideal Org funding.

The stuff they are putting out that we see on Mike Rinder's blog shows a dramatic lack of literacy and common sense. It conveys the impression that the workforce is there because they are needy and desperate, not because it is making them more competent or their quality of life better.

I wonder about that too. When I was in, scngsts impressed me as pretty intelligent and literate, even the ones that had only a high school education. There were a few exceptions, but not many. Of course there was no internet then and scn didn't have the terrible PR that it has today. We couldn't just google scn and find out all this shit. I suspect scngsts today are a lot dumber than we were years ago.