Karen de la Carriere YouTube Channel

[Lurker5]

This is excellent - Thanks Karen.

 

[lotus]

WoW!

Karen thank you for such explanations on how they (OSA) manage to convert covert datas into overt datas.
(it's almost an spy 101 course )

Each time they attempt to make your life a hell, they prove to be what they really are
(do not ressemble any religion at all - but an intell corp specialized in spying and harassement)

Bless you!

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

The "Cherch of Scientology
Intelligence Tactics Covert data to Overt Data

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9V--TZ1Sb8​

A very interesting video. I think the explanation of how and why Scientology converts covert data to overt data is very important for anyone who is an activist and a potential target.

It is also interesting to note that Scientology's false reports to civic authorities were so deranged as to be unbelievable even without investigation.

People who have been in the Sea Org for long periods have such a deranged view of the world and how to interact with it, that they cannot present themselves as normal, even in written correspondence, which can be edited and written over a long period.

This in itself is a good reason to stay away from the COfS. It is dangerous to your sanity.

 

[Karen#1]

A very interesting video. I think the explanation of how and why Scientology converts covert data to overt data is very important for anyone who is an activist and a potential target.

It is also interesting to note that Scientology's false reports to civic authorities were so deranged as to be unbelievable even without investigation.

People who have been in the Sea Org for long periods have such a deranged view of the world and how to interact with it, that they cannot present themselves as normal, even in written correspondence, which can be edited and written over a long period.

This in itself is a good reason to stay away from the COfS. It is dangerous to your sanity.

Thanks for the feedback Lotus and Nascar.
Covert Data to Overt data is simply Money Laundering of Data. Making the data legitimate. Money laundering makes the money LEGIT.. Covert to overt makes the "cherch* slime LEGIT when put out overtly by a credible source.​

 

[Karen#1]

Cult Enforced abortions
It is disturbing how *OBSESSED* the *Cherch* of Scientology is with Sexual Activity, Sexual organs, Pregnancies, marriages and so on.
When a Scientologist staff member exits, the slime and slurs they invent on the person is often sexual.
Not realizing how deranged they appear to the outside world after claiming elevated spiritual states, they label departing Ex-scientolgists as "porn addicts" "Sexual Perverts" "Sexual deviants" "Prostitutes"
The leader of this Cult David Miscavige incessantly uses THE most vulgar sexual words in his rants, worthy of street gangs and thugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21b6NY--YFU​

 

[lotus]

Cult Enforced abortions
It is disturbing how *OBSESSED* the *Cherch* of Scientology is with Sexual Activity, Sexual organs, Pregnancies, marriages and so on.
​

Thank you Karen for this video

I always felt concerned about the abused on pregnant women in the SO and the neglect\abuse of children.

Only few had spoken about such issues - I can't even imagine myself speaking publicly about being coerced to abort, threatend either being an abused child , treated as a ''mean of...'' It's moving to listen to Claire's devastation ...

Would you please, Karen, have a look at these policies\ED, I found out yersterday while browsing a thread here. This is a 'burden treasury'' of CO$ abuse on mothers, parents, and children.

It could be of great use to support with dox the midfuck of this cult toward the issue you adressed.

Thanks

http://www.matrixfiles.com/Scientology%20Materials/Reference/Flag%20Orders/Begin.html

One example here:

* fair use *

LRH COMM NETWORK INTERNATIONAL​

29 JUNE 1979

ED NW 26 PAC

ALL PAC EXECS AND CREW

PREGNANCIES AND BABIES IN PAC​

Our Children are our most valuable future resource. Sea Org children are the future officers and executives of the Sea Org. LRH says in SCIENCE"OF SURVIVAL: "...an interest in children includes an interest not only in the bearing,of the child but in the child's well being, happiness, mental state, education and general future The whole future of the race depends on its attitude toward children."

Currently the execs of the CCO are working to set it up to take care of our children but the current set up is inadequate for our existing Sea Org children and far behind the growth of the baby population in PAC. It is important that CCO be given the chance to become set up to ensure our children are cared for optimumly and trained for their future. We have a lot of work to do on the third dynamic here in PAC and a lot to handle and the time and work having to be expended to cope with the expanding baby population at CCO can be better directed toward this. Therefore the following rule is established:

FROM NOW UNTIL THERE ARE ADEQUATE FACILITIES AND PERSO NEL FOR THE CCO AND THAT ORG IS SET UP TO HANDLE BOTH EXISTING SEA ORG CHILDREN AND FUTURE EXPANSION, THERE ARE TO BE NO MORE BABIES OR PREGNANCIES IN PAC.

This rule will stay in effect until CCO has a new building, has a full complement of the necessary personnel and an established and functioning HCO which can and does continue to put the org there. Once these Kondition are met, the rule will be lifted.

Any couple violating this rule will be subject to immediate Fitness Board to determine whether they are sufficiently a facility differential to their org and the Sea Org to warrant the expense, manpower and space required to care for their child. If the Fitness Board finds that they are not, they will be routed out.

Any person recruited for a PAC Org who has children must be weighed against his value to the SO versus the expense and work of caring for the child or children. For example, a Class VIII who has one child would be of sufficient worth to the SO, however, a Basic Courses Grad with four children would not necessarily be. Before any person with children is routed in a CSW'showing the person's worth and how the org is going to accomodate for the children at CCO must be approved through Sr HCO PAC.

This rule is not intended in any way to cut across the Second Dynamic of PAC Sea Org members nor is it intented that Sea Org members may not have children. It is only until CCO is set up to care for and accomodate more children.

This rule applies only to further pregnancies, no SO couple expecting a child is to be fitness boarded because of that. They and their org however, should do all possible to assist in the Establishment and Expansion of the CCO, as should any couple who wants to have children. By actually putting CCO there and setting it up to establish and expand itself, we will make it possible-for the growth and Expansion of Sea Org children, those with us now and those of the future.

Susan Jones
D/LCI PRODUCTION

for and approved by

W/0 Bess Sullivan
LRH COMM INTERNATIONAL

Approved by

T/D/CO CMO PAC

for the
BOARDS OF DIRECTORS
of the
CHURCHES OF SCIENTOLOGY
BDCS:JW:BS:SJ:cej​

​

The hypocrite terminator cult of cupidity and avarice​

 

[Terril park]

Thank you Karen for this video

I always felt concerned about the abused on pregnant women in the SO and the neglect\abuse of children.

Only few had spoken about such issues - I can't even imagine myself speaking publicly about being coerced to abort, threatend either being an abused child , treated as a ''mean of...'' It's moving to listen to Claire's devastation ...

Would you please, Karen, have a look at these policies\ED, I found out yersterday while browsing a thread here. This is a 'burden treasury'' of CO$ abuse on mothers, parents, and children.

It could be of great use to support with dox the midfuck of this cult toward the issue you adressed.

Thanks

http://www.matrixfiles.com/Scientology%20Materials/Reference/Flag%20Orders/Begin.html

One example here:

* fair use *

LRH COMM NETWORK INTERNATIONAL​

29 JUNE 1979

ED NW 26 PAC

ALL PAC EXECS AND CREW

PREGNANCIES AND BABIES IN PAC​

Our Children are our most valuable future resource. Sea Org children are the future officers and executives of the Sea Org. LRH says in SCIENCE"OF SURVIVAL: "...an interest in children includes an interest not only in the bearing,of the child but in the child's well being, happiness, mental state, education and general future The whole future of the race depends on its attitude toward children."

Currently the execs of the CCO are working to set it up to take care of our children but the current set up is inadequate for our existing Sea Org children and far behind the growth of the baby population in PAC. It is important that CCO be given the chance to become set up to ensure our children are cared for optimumly and trained for their future. We have a lot of work to do on the third dynamic here in PAC and a lot to handle and the time and work having to be expended to cope with the expanding baby population at CCO can be better directed toward this. Therefore the following rule is established:

FROM NOW UNTIL THERE ARE ADEQUATE FACILITIES AND PERSO NEL FOR THE CCO AND THAT ORG IS SET UP TO HANDLE BOTH EXISTING SEA ORG CHILDREN AND FUTURE EXPANSION, THERE ARE TO BE NO MORE BABIES OR PREGNANCIES IN PAC.

This rule will stay in effect until CCO has a new building, has a full complement of the necessary personnel and an established and functioning HCO which can and does continue to put the org there. Once these Kondition are met, the rule will be lifted.

Any couple violating this rule will be subject to immediate Fitness Board to determine whether they are sufficiently a facility differential to their org and the Sea Org to warrant the expense, manpower and space required to care for their child. If the Fitness Board finds that they are not, they will be routed out.

Any person recruited for a PAC Org who has children must be weighed against his value to the SO versus the expense and work of caring for the child or children. For example, a Class VIII who has one child would be of sufficient worth to the SO, however, a Basic Courses Grad with four children would not necessarily be. Before any person with children is routed in a CSW'showing the person's worth and how the org is going to accomodate for the children at CCO must be approved through Sr HCO PAC.

This rule is not intended in any way to cut across the Second Dynamic of PAC Sea Org members nor is it intented that Sea Org members may not have children. It is only until CCO is set up to care for and accomodate more children.

This rule applies only to further pregnancies, no SO couple expecting a child is to be fitness boarded because of that. They and their org however, should do all possible to assist in the Establishment and Expansion of the CCO, as should any couple who wants to have children. By actually putting CCO there and setting it up to establish and expand itself, we will make it possible-for the growth and Expansion of Sea Org children, those with us now and those of the future.

Susan Jones
D/LCI PRODUCTION

for and approved by

W/0 Bess Sullivan
LRH COMM INTERNATIONAL

Approved by

T/D/CO CMO PAC

for the
BOARDS OF DIRECTORS
of the
CHURCHES OF SCIENTOLOGY
BDCS:JW:BS:SJ:cej​

​

The hypocrite terminator cult of cupidity and avarice​

A double talking fascist rant.

What can be more fascist than saying who can or not
have children.

 

[Lurker5]

IMHO the 'Goodness' of any entity or human being is measured in how they value life - and liberty - of others . . .

I am always horrified, it never ceases to horrify me, just how corrupt and evil scno/co$/lrh/dm are - to this very day - and how people are coerced and manipulated, tricked and lied to, and punished severely when they choose, no matter what the consequences, to finally follow that voice from inside them - their conscience - that 'higher' self - that demands courage - and outrage - to stand up to the evil bullies - and speak out - demand justice - no matter how long it takes.

I cringe about how those still inside will feel when they finally figure it out, and come out of denial, and come to grips - with this monstrous evil entity - scno/co$/lrh/dm.


Keep making your videos, Karen - keep telling the Truth. Thank you.

 

[AnonyMary]

Cult Enforced abortions
It is disturbing how *OBSESSED* the *Cherch* of Scientology is with Sexual Activity, Sexual organs, Pregnancies, marriages and so on.
When a Scientologist staff member exits, the slime and slurs they invent on the person is often sexual.
Not realizing how deranged they appear to the outside world after claiming elevated spiritual states, they label departing Ex-scientolgists as "porn addicts" "Sexual Perverts" "Sexual deviants" "Prostitutes"
The leader of this Cult David Miscavige incessantly uses THE most vulgar sexual words in his rants, worthy of street gangs and thugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21b6NY--YFU​

Excellent video, Karen!

As I have mentioned before, forced abortions are the most personal and devastating of enforced disconnections. Your video drives home the reality that the Church of Scientology is an unnaturally ruthless and heartless organization which traps people in a group prison of belief, one that encourages and rewards inhuman behaviors while invalidating normal human responses.

The stories of Maureen Bolstad, Claire Headley, Laura DeCrescenzo Dieckman, Astra Woodcraft, who are featured in it, never fail to bring tears to my eyes. They are heroes - humble and brave for daring to speak up about what they were forced to do, and forced to live with because there was no way out.

For those seeking more information on the history and reports of all who have spoken out about their knowledge and experiences with forced abortions in Scientology, visit the wiki page Scientology and Abortion

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

Cult Enforced abortions
It is disturbing how *OBSESSED* the *Cherch* of Scientology is with Sexual Activity, Sexual organs, Pregnancies, marriages and so on.
When a Scientologist staff member exits, the slime and slurs they invent on the person is often sexual.
Not realizing how deranged they appear to the outside world after claiming elevated spiritual states, they label departing Ex-scientolgists as "porn addicts" "Sexual Perverts" "Sexual deviants" "Prostitutes"
The leader of this Cult David Miscavige incessantly uses THE most vulgar sexual words in his rants, worthy of street gangs and thugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21b6NY--YFU​

Scientology sets impossible targets -

- Stats you can't meet
- Total recall
- Exteriorization
- Forbidding numerous normal sexual acts

No one can meet these targets, so they feel inadequate - lower on the pecking order and thus easier to control. This is not a new trick and they're not the only ones using it.

It's a simple formula:
1) Find something peole enjoy and feel compelled to do or something otherwise impossible.
2) Tell them that they can't do it.
3) When they fail, crush them and offer them a solution.

 

[Churchill]

Cult Enforced abortions
It is disturbing how *OBSESSED* the *Cherch* of Scientology is with Sexual Activity, Sexual organs, Pregnancies, marriages and so on.
When a Scientologist staff member exits, the slime and slurs they invent on the person is often sexual.
Not realizing how deranged they appear to the outside world after claiming elevated spiritual states, they label departing Ex-scientolgists as "porn addicts" "Sexual Perverts" "Sexual deviants" "Prostitutes"
The leader of this Cult David Miscavige incessantly uses THE most vulgar sexual words in his rants, worthy of street gangs and thugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21b6NY--YFU​

Karen,

This is an important post because you are exposing the inner working of an essential OSA control mechanism'
And you have it exactly right.

When the time came, and I could no longer continue as an OSA spy,(and retain the little that remained of my sanity), I told my 'handler' (Charlie Batdorf) that I needed to stop.
It was explained to me that in order to "end cycle I would be required to complete a Life History questionaire, which consisted of several dozen pages of "pedigree" questions concerning birthplace, education,and pre-Scientology employment, which served as a prelude
to the real purpose...the "this lifetime sexual history record."

Every (and I mean every) person with whom I had ever had a sexual experience was listed, and all the intimate details of the sex acts were cataloged, itemized, and noted in excruciating and minute detail.
Any sexual behavior that could be considered "unusual, "creative" or "perverted" was of particular interest.

(As an aside, Woody Allen was once asked if he believed sex was dirty. "Only when it's done right" he replied.)

The Sexual History record took 3 or 4 days to complete, not necessarily because of the volume of material, but rather the extraordinarily detailed recounting which it required.
There were frequent meter checks, and when I was convinced I'd disclosed everything, Charlie Batdorf would let me know that I needed to look further and find more.

And so finally, after three 10-hour days and 25 pages later, I was done. And I honestly believed that it was for my own good; to make sure that I did not have any 'overts'.
I was still a full-fledged Kool-aid drinking Scientologist. A few years later I was called to testify on behalf of Scientology in the Wollersheim case.

So somewhere in the OSA archives, or scanned into a computer database that is maintained by the Church of Scientology, my youthful sexual exploits are cataloged, and preserved,
not on titanium plates, but as bits and bytes, ready to be summoned, for my benefit, of course... because OSA would never,,,

......... .............. .............


And the funny thing is, there's probably some OSA person reading this, and completely mis-understanding that this is a cautionary lesson for them.

But in 3, or 5...or maybe 7 years from now, there's a good chance that he, or she... will be posting here.


It's like Ed Koch said, "I can explain it to you but I can't comprehend it for you."



Thank you so much, Karen and Jeffrey, for all the light and all the truth.

Len Zinberg aka Churchill

 

[Lurker5]

 

[Leland]

Cult Enforced abortions
It is disturbing how *OBSESSED* the *Cherch* of Scientology is with Sexual Activity, Sexual organs, Pregnancies, marriages and so on.
When a Scientologist staff member exits, the slime and slurs they invent on the person is often sexual.
Not realizing how deranged they appear to the outside world after claiming elevated spiritual states, they label departing Ex-scientolgists as "porn addicts" "Sexual Perverts" "Sexual deviants" "Prostitutes"
The leader of this Cult David Miscavige incessantly uses THE most vulgar sexual words in his rants, worthy of street gangs and thugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21b6NY--YFU​

Thanks Karen....a very revealing video.

Of course....as a Public, I was not aware of these types of actions against women in the Sea Org. It is VERY damning.

The info from Planned Parenthood in Riverside County is very damning. That means to me INT BASE.......

I assume the same goes on in LA County....and PAC...

I hope the law suits goes well...

It would be interesting to do some sort of time line on children in the Sea Org...and when and why the noose tightened...as to having a family....to the point of completely disallowing them. I read something recently...I believe a Flag Order about accepting Husband and Wife recruits with children.....from the 70's. A Class 8 with one child....great. A non-trained recruit with 4 children....NO WAY. This FO was based upon calculations of cost and money....to the cult.

IMO....it seems to be about money. Children cost money. Children would be "other" intentioned....in the viewpoint of the Cult...

Of course...there is also ATTENTION going off the Cult....and ON TO a new child.....and OFF being a producing SO Staff...and onto being a Mother...and rearing a child. I can easily see how this would be unacceptable to the cult... This would be a lose of CONTROL for the Cult.....of that mother....and her thoughts and needs...

That Sea Org women cannot afford birth control....is a whole other area of import.....

As to the sexual slurs directed at those that leave the cult....a short story.

I was at Flag, protesting a few months ago....and one "security guard" came up to me...and stated that he knew i was a "xxxxxx"...( a particular illegal sexual perversion ). I laughed at him and said.....there is nothing in my Folders about me being that....

It was kinda funny.......he was a young guy....and his drilling in using this tactic on another was lacking. He just didn't have it down...the meanness....the screwball-ness....the crazy-ness....

I suppose the Cult must do DRILLs in this sort of thing......( hard to believe...)

I could tell....he was sorta testing it out...to see if it would fly ....( what he said to me...) ...Testing to see how I would react....Testing to see if he could gain a foot hold....

Of course the Cult would rather I not protest at Flag.......and it is interesting to see the lengths to which they would go.....and what they would try ....to make me go away.

 

[RogerB]

Yes, good call on this issue of the insanity that the Scientology enterprise now is, #1.

As I am now called upon to reflect on what I am aware of regarding Hubbard’s own sexual misconduct and also upon what I personally witnessed in my days in the cult since the 1950’s, I can only say that, what we are seeing as the current and recent crimes regarding sex and family within the cult is simply a continuance of the founder’s standards of lunacy.

For those who might want to spend the time of gleaning Hubbard’s utterances on tape or in writing on the subject; and to then also compare that material to his known and proven own sexual misbehavior — which in its day was in actuality viewed as deviant and criminal — one can only come to two conclusions:

1) Hubbard was a deviate and a duplicitous, deceiver who was very much into do as I say, not as I secretly do and,
2) He set the standard that has become the “mutual rudiment” for the later operating of his enterprise.

Apart from Hubbard’s own personal life crimes on the issue of his adulterous behavior and the fathering of out of wedlock offspring . . . he has additionally voiced his beliefs and practices of which he was proud yet at the same time condemning it in others.

I remember his visit to Melbourne . . . his comment relative to his visit there was that “Orgs are a 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Dynamic activity . . . except in Melbourne where it is a 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Dynamic activity. Yeh, well, Ronnie boy would know!.

In due course by ’62, ’63 we had rules forbidding sexual relationships between Auditors and PC, staff and students/PCs . . . but, was it ever honestly enforced????

Hell no!

Did it cause strife over the years? Hell yes!

And so, the Scientology enterprise has simply sunk lower and lower into the pits of crimes, not only against its own doctrines, but against the very peoples those doctrines were embraced to protect. And worse, the honest and honorable action of beloved reproduction Hubbard said was right is being sabotaged and trampled on by these criminals by practice of their violations of the doctrines they profess to the outside world they uphold and indeed which honorable citizens everywhere hold true.

It is true, the rot came down from the top, and the rot is now still being enforced from the top.

The Scientology enterprise was indeed begun fraudulently, deceptively and for reasons of hidden agendas and it has continued on down through time to descend further and further into the criminal violations against good order and family sanctity that we are now seeing in Karen’s exposés.

Thank you Karen#1!

RogerB

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

It would be interesting to do some sort of time line on children in the Sea Org...and when and why the noose tightened...as to having a family....to the point of completely disallowing them. I read something recently...I believe a Flag Order about accepting Husband and Wife recruits with children.....from the 70's. A Class 8 with one child....great. A non-trained recruit with 4 children....NO WAY. This FO was based upon calculations of cost and money....to the cult.

Saw this link on a thread regarding Mark Plummer.

References regarding families and children in PAC:

http://www.matrixfiles.com/Scientology Materials/Reference/Flag Orders/Begin.html

My personal perspective - Children were acceptable as a resource to serve LRH in the CMO but children are a serious logistical challenge even under normal circumstances and there was probably a limit to how many LRH would tolerate in the pipeline. The care of children fell under Estates. I think anyone who has spent enough time around the Sea Org understands that Estates is where the "rejects" get shunted off to. Don't get me wrong, I'm not disparaging Estates people, but over time if there is an Estates person who is qualified to serve in a higher org then they will get an offer to transfer or trade and they would probably be foolish to decline. The person being traded to Estates will be the lesser qualified half of the trade. This means the people caring for children are likely to be problematic or marginal for some reason. Estates is important to senior management because so much of what they want to do depends on it so they don't want it to be completely dysfunctional but here again, the priority on quality of staff placement would be on building renovation or maintenance and not child development. Millions can be spent on construction materials but that has nothing to do with Estates staff pay or living conditions. So not only are the personnel likely to be unqualified but the number of staff, funding and resources for Estates personnel can also be deprived in favor of other priorities like litigation, real estate acquisition or investment in revenue generating service orgs.

There was always enough money to purchase property and renovate even back in the 70s when there were still children but it seems child care was the unwanted orphan. This would have been the primary pool for new CMO recruits so if a significant percentage of the children coming out of this environment were problematic or unqualified to serve in the CMO then it would probably have virtually no redeeming attributes to LRH or senior management.

Much has been said about the conditions of children and parenting in the SO but my main point here is that in the entire hierarchy I do not think there was any organizational strata lower than child care other than the RPF. And even a person in the RPF could be valued more as a potentially productive staff member "once they got their head straight" plus they are actively producing (at half pay) while on the RPF. Maybe I'm wrong but this was my observation.

 

[Karen#1]

Church of Scientology ~~ the Cult's Obsession with Sex and Abortion Part 2 of 2

The video depicts further shocking facts on Scientology Inc's baby killing for 25 years without a blink of an eye.
They have slowed down a lot on baby slaughter now not because of conscience, but because it is PR nightmare and because of litigation.
The last word I say on this video is "BALONEY !"
I want to explain that the *CREED* of the Chuch which is in their publications and web sites, state
""Man has an inalienable right to the creation of his own kind"
I say "Baloney!" because of the 25 year abortion enforcement.

******New Video*****
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geVyxFY4ey0​

 

[strativarius]

Church of Scientology ~~ the Cult's Obsession with Sex and Abortion Part 2 of 2

The video depicts further shocking facts on Scientology Inc's baby killing for 25 years without a blink of an eye.
They have slowed down a lot on baby slaughter now not because of conscience, but because it is PR nightmare and because of litigation.
The last word I say on this video is "BALONEY !"
I want to explain that the *CREED* of the Chuch which is in their publications and web sites, state
""Man has an inalienable right to the creation of his own kind"
I say "Baloney!" because of the 25 year abortion enforcement.

​

I walked away in 1974/5. Prior to that I was a Class IV auditor. If I was auditing a pc, and, after being prompted as to what could possibly be causing a read on my meter, he/she volunteered that they had masturbated, well, that was the end of it. I don't remember having to wring every last sordid detail out of the PC.

I'm not disputing what you're saying Karen, I'm just interested to learn when this change to the way I was trained occurred. It's seems obvious (to me) that this is a way of gathering 'damaging' information on the individual in the event of that person speaking out at some time in the future. It certainly wasn't done in such a cynical fashion in my day.

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

Church of Scientology ~~ the Cult's Obsession with Sex and Abortion Part 2 of 2

The video depicts further shocking facts on Scientology Inc's baby killing for 25 years without a blink of an eye.
They have slowed down a lot on baby slaughter now not because of conscience, but because it is PR nightmare and because of litigation.
The last word I say on this video is "BALONEY !"
I want to explain that the *CREED* of the Chuch which is in their publications and web sites, state
""Man has an inalienable right to the creation of his own kind"
I say "Baloney!" because of the 25 year abortion enforcement.

******New Video*****
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geVyxFY4ey0​

It is horrifying that Scientology's sexual and emotional blackmail is written out so clearly in the directives and policies.

A thought: if a drug dealing cartel had written methods for obtaining blackmail and these were to come to light, there would be enormous pressure on law enforcement to take them down.

How is it that Scientology has written policies that tell people how to collect blackmail and then written policies that tell them that they must destroy their enemies, and there is no pressure from governments to shut them down?

 

[La La Lou Lou]

It is horrifying that Scientology's sexual and emotional blackmail is written out so clearly in the directives and policies.

A thought: if a drug dealing cartel had written methods for obtaining blackmail and these were to come to light, there would be enormous pressure on law enforcement to take them down.

How is it that Scientology has written policies that tell people how to collect blackmail and then written policies that tell them that they must destroy their enemies, and there is no pressure from governments to shut them down?

Mostly the only thing stopping justice is America's protectionist attitude towards religions. Scientology is not and never was a religion. You are right about the blackmailing policies.

Hubbard was against abortions, unless it was certain to kill the baby, that was in DMSMH before he officially invented the 'thetan'.

In later scn terms though aborting a baby is giving very nasty engrams to a thetan and that is not justifiable in any belief system that says that a spirit lives on. Also murder is one of the list of suppressive acts. This would mean that any SO member who had aborted a child would be declared an SP and would have to leave staff and not be able to be 'on lines'. (I am not saying what is right or wrong, just that according to their own written rules this is wrong.)

So in scientology terms abortion is utterly wrong. Did Hubbard ever tell anyone to abort?

 

[Karen#1]

I walked away in 1974/5. Prior to that I was a Class IV auditor. If I was auditing a pc, and, after being prompted as to what could possibly be causing a read on my meter, he/she volunteered that they had masturbated, well, that was the end of it. I don't remember having to wring every last sordid detail out of the PC.

I'm not disputing what you're saying Karen, I'm just interested to learn when this change to the way I was trained occurred. It's seems obvious (to me) that this is a way of gathering 'damaging' information on the individual in the event of that person speaking out at some time in the future. It certainly wasn't done in such a cynical fashion in my day.

Thank you for this Strativarius.
As many who were around in the 70s will tell you, as each decade progressed the Cherch became more EXTREME, more PUNITIVE, more DIABOLICAL, more SELF SERVING and just about every blow up and catastrophe for the Cult was blamed on the criminals around, whose overts and witholds were not pulled.
Hence the entire grade chart is really Grade II. All the Church does obsessively is look for those dark and hidden *CRIMES* others *Must* be hiding. Never worse than post 2000.

Example : The death of Lisa Mcpherson, every one connected with her was tarred and feathered and hung out to dry for THEIR crimes. Peter Buttery was one of the Case Supervisors. He was banned from ever being on "tech lines." He was assigned to be a laborer in the folder admin room. One day a heavy metal rack crashed down with a massive amount of folders on Peter's head. A few weeks later he was dead.

Just another example of pointing the finger and avoiding looking at the *SYSTEM* which is cruel, misguided and unsustainable.​

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geVyxFY4ey0