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J. Swift

Patron with Honors
1. Anonymous created an enormous breach in CoS/OSA that allowed the Independents to walk through. The Indies owe Anonymous a debt of gratitude that may never be repaid. Anonymous should take pleasure in the fact that its efforts have directly and indirectly helped liberate people from CoS and continue to do so.

2. The Old Guard of ARS, OCMB, and ESMB drew global attention to the crimes and lies of CoS/OSA. I would like to think that the OG's work helped to draw the attention of Anonymous to the cause. The OG is still vital, but it has clearly been eclipsed by Anonymous since Feb 2008. IMO, this is a good thing. Anonymous is far more powerful and its methodologies, creativity, and analyses are remarkable.

3. The Independents have laser-like power to state time/place/and form to the authorities and to the public. The Independents have a reach into places that the OG and Anonymous simply do not. If this were a game of American basketball, the Independents are scoring three pointers consistently. FailCult Int'l, however, has its shoelaces tied together and still hasn't figured out why its player keep tripping out there on the hardwood.

3A. There is a group of former SO and Scientologists who support the Indies but who want nothing to do with Scientology. This shows that people can be friends and disagree on the value of the Tech. Friends do not have to agree on everything.

4. I believe in the universal right of all people to freely practice their chosen religion or to reject religion altogether.

5. Ideas cannot be killed. Hubbard's body of work is in the world as is an exceptionally large body of work that is critical of Hubbard, DN, and Scn. People can read both sides of the argument. In a world of 6.4 billion people, there are fewer than ~35,000 Scientologists and this number is declining. That is a key stat.

*****
As an OG, I am a friend of Anonymous, the Independents, and other OG. I don't see any reason not to freely associate with Anons and Indies in order to learn as much as I can. I would talk to "CoS Scientologists" if it were allowed by CoS.

The goal is to see CoS systematically dismantled in its present form. This requires the different types of efforts and specialization from the Indies, OG, and Anonymous. Many camps coming at CoS/OSA from many different directions allows for the application of maximum force on all of the structural failure points of CoS.

Anonymous is exceptional on the streets, with leaks, and with its investigations into the secular matters of CoS. I protest alongside Anonymous whenever possible. My Marcab commodore outfit with its DC-8 spaceplane shoulder boards always makes a fashion statement.

Over against this, it is mind-boggling to talk to former major SO, RTC, and CST and hear deep, inside details. It is amazing to see Mike, Marty, Amy, and other Indies on television and online globally.

I try to avail myself of all possible sources of participation and knowledge. I want my knowledge and experience of life to be as wide as possible.

*****
My observation is that the "cutting edge" of Karma is always moving. Looking back on it, the cutting edge has moved in this way online:

ARS
Lermanet.com
OCMB
ESMB
WWP
Marty's Blog

What I look for is where the cutting edge of Karma is happening and I go there. The cutting edge of Karma is presently at Marty's blog and WWP.

Marty has rules of decorum on his board and I follow those rules. I follow the rules when I post at WWP.

I genuinely like and support the Independents.

I look for the cutting edge of Karma to move into the realm of law enforcement and the courts soon enough.

*****
Early on, I was extremely critical of Mike and Marty online. I took a "prove yourselves by your actions and not your words" attitude at OCMB. They did so and more is to come.

I am impressed by what Mike and Marty have done in their fight against DM and OSA. I empower them because they are effective and have helped many, many people leave CoS.

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Smilla

Ordinary Human
You may be the cutting edge of karma, but we are the cutting edge of pharma.

1. Anonymous created an enormous breach in CoS/OSA that allowed the Independents to walk through. The Indies owe Anonymous a debt of gratitude that may never be repaid. Anonymous should take pleasure in the fact that its efforts have directly and indirectly helped liberate people from CoS and continue to do so.

2. The Old Guard of ARS, OCMB, and ESMB drew global attention to the crimes and lies of CoS/OSA. I would like to think that the OG's work helped to draw the attention of Anonymous to the cause. The OG is still vital, but it has clearly been eclipsed by Anonymous since Feb 2008. IMO, this is a good thing. Anonymous is far more powerful and its methodologies, creativity, and analyses are remarkable.

3. The Independents have laser-like power to state time/place/and form to the authorities and to the public. The Independents have a reach into places that the OG and Anonymous simply do not. If this were a game of American basketball, the Independents are scoring three pointers consistently. FailCult Int'l, however, has its shoelaces tied together and still hasn't figured out why its player keep tripping out there on the hardwood.

3A. There is a group of former SO and Scientologists who support the Indies but who want nothing to do with Scientology. This shows that people can be friends and disagree on the value of the Tech. Friends do not have to agree on everything.

4. I believe in the universal right of all people to freely practice their chosen religion or to reject religion altogether.

5. Ideas cannot be killed. Hubbard's body of work is in the world as is an exceptionally large body of work that is critical of Hubbard, DN, and Scn. People can read both sides of the argument. In a world of 6.4 billion people, there are fewer than ~35,000 Scientologists and this number is declining. That is a key stat.

*****
As an OG, I am a friend of Anonymous, the Independents, and other OG. I don't see any reason not to freely associate with Anons and Indies in order to learn as much as I can. I would talk to "CoS Scientologists" if it were allowed by CoS.

The goal is to see CoS systematically dismantled in its present form. This requires the different types of efforts and specialization from the Indies, OG, and Anonymous. Many camps coming at CoS/OSA from many different directions allows for the application of maximum force on all of the structural failure points of CoS.

Anonymous is exceptional on the streets, with leaks, and with its investigations into the secular matters of CoS. I protest alongside Anonymous whenever possible. My Marcab commodore outfit with its DC-8 spaceplane shoulder boards always makes a fashion statement.

Over against this, it is mind-boggling to talk to former major SO, RTC, and CST and hear deep, inside details.

I try to avail myself of all possible sources of participation and knowledge. I want my knowledge and experience of life to be as wide as possible.

*****
My observation is that the "cutting edge" of Karma is always moving. Looking back on it, the cutting edge has moved in this way online:

ARS
Lermanet.com
OCMB
ESMB
WWP
Marty's Blog

What I look for is where the cutting edge of Karma is happening and I go there. The cutting edge of Karma is presently at Marty's blog. Marty has rules of decorum on his board and I follow those rules. I also genuinely like and support the Independents.

I look for the cutting edge of Karma to move into the realm of law enforcement and the courts soon enough.

*****
Early on, I was extremely critical of Mike and Marty online. I took a "prove yourselves by your actions and not your words" attitude at OCMB. They did so and more is to come.

I am impressed by what Mike and Marty have done in their fight against DM and OSA. I empower them because they are effective and have helped many, many people leave CoS.

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Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP
I am impressed by what Mike and Marty have done in their fight against DM and OSA. I empower them because they are effective and have helped many, many people leave CoS.

I agree that people should have the unrestrained right to follow whatever spiritual-religious path they choose as long as others are not being harmed or hoodwinked in the process, and they have informed consent in their decision.

Mike & Marty also have that right. As to them helping "many, many people leave CoS," show us the evidence of this.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
3A. There is a group of former SO and Scientologists who support the Indies but who want nothing to do with Scientology. This shows that people can be friends and disagree on the value of the Tech. Friends do not have to agree on everything.

Alternate philosophy from the Church of Hoaxology:


Friends don't let friends drive keyed-out.
 
I empower them because they are effective and have helped many, many people leave CoS.

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They haven't helped anybody leave.

They have simply provide an outlet for some true believers to feel they are taking a stand and convince themselves they are showing integrity.

They've just provided a place for the true believers to park while they wait for a new Messiah to restore the awe and majesty of the Kingdom of Scientology.

If they haven't given up Scientology then they haven't left anything.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

secretiveoldfag

Silver Meritorious Patron
Maybe someone said it already but I'll say it again.

Marthy Rathbun is not a human being like you and me, or to be on the safe side, like me, since YMMV.

He is a human being like L.Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige.

And what the Anabaptist said ^^^
 
Maybe someone said it already but I'll say it again.

Marthy Rathbun is not a human being like you and me, or to be on the safe side, like me, since YMMV.

He is a human being like L.Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige.

And what the Anabaptist said ^^^

I don't think Marthy Rathbun is a total pile of shit like L.Ron Hubbard or David Miscavige, but he sure is trying really hard to get there.
 

J. Swift

Patron with Honors
And, that is?

Zinj
Zinj, I guess you have Net Nanny installed and all of your internets are filtered. Just yesterday online the world saw Mike Rinder meet with Senator Nick Xenophon. Imagine that closed door meeting, particularly in light of the recent allegations that the Cult is using a house in Australia to avoid paying taxes in eight Commonwealth countries.

If you connect dots, watch the news stories, CoS responses, and actually talk to people who have left CoS in the past year due to the Indies, the evidence is there. If you want details posted online, that will not happen.

If what is happening does not meet your standards of what should happen in what time frame, I understand. I too wish more would happen faster.

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Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Zinj, I guess you have Net Nanny installed and all of your internets are filtered. Just yesterday online the world saw Mike Rinder meet with Senator Nick Xenophon. Imagine that closed door meeting, particularly in light of the recent allegations that the Cult is using a house in Australia to avoid paying taxes in eight Commonwealth countries.

If you connect dots, watch the news stories, CoS responses, and actually talk to people who have left CoS in the past year due to the Indies, the evidence is there. If you want details posted online, that will not happen.

If what is happening does not meet your standards of what should happen in what time frame, I understand. I too wish more would happen faster.

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Oooh... I'm cut to the quick :( Guess I'm told off.

As to 'details posted online' are you saying that you have those details? Are you too a member of the super secret 'Protest Movement' as well as an 'OG' Icon?

I'm not only told off! I'm put in my *place*!!!

Thank you

Zinj
 

Carmel

Crusader
Zinj, I guess you have Net Nanny installed and all of your internets are filtered. Just yesterday online the world saw Mike Rinder meet with Senator Nick Xenophon. Imagine that closed door meeting, particularly in light of the recent allegations that the Cult is using a house in Australia to avoid paying taxes in eight Commonwealth countries.

If you connect dots, watch the news stories, CoS responses, and actually talk to people who have left CoS in the past year due to the Indies, the evidence is there. If you want details posted online, that will not happen.

If what is happening does not meet your standards of what should happen in what time frame, I understand. I too wish more would happen faster.

/////
I don't see that the evidence is there. In fact, to date, we've seen a lot of the opposite.

Currently I see enough to give a 'let's wait and see' in regard to Mike, and that's what I'm doing, but that's it. We are still waiting, and as yet we haven't actually seen any "done's" of any substance.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I don't see that the evidence is there. In fact, to date, we've seen a lot of the opposite.

Currently I see enough to give a 'let's wait and see' in regard to Mike, and that's what I'm doing, but that's it. We are still waiting, and as yet we haven't actually seen any "done's" of any substance.

I agree that we have not seen any "dones" of any substance - especially considering the what "dones" could be produced from someone like Mike Rinder.

I would absolutely LOVE for Mike Rinder to shut me up and make me look bad for all that I've said about him by producing some major DONES.

An easy and immediate way for him to start is by answering some of the questions in the "Questions for Mike Rinder" thread right here on ESMB. He could do that tonight, in fact.

If he is as honest and open as he claims to be, there should be absolutely nothing wrong with coming on here and writing a few answers out - or even answering some of those questions on Marty's blog and staying away from this natterboard completely - if he was as honest and open as he claims to be.

But he doesn't. And in all the time he has been out he hasn't.

Why?
 

Good twin

Floater
I agree that we have not seen any "dones" of any substance - especially considering the what "dones" could be produced from someone like Mike Rinder.

I would absolutely LOVE for Mike Rinder to shut me up and make me look bad for all that I've said about him by producing some major DONES.

An easy and immediate way for him to start is by answering some of the questions in the "Questions for Mike Rinder" thread right here on ESMB. He could do that tonight, in fact.

If he is as honest and open as he claims to be, there should be absolutely nothing wrong with coming on here and writing a few answers out - or even answering some of those questions on Marty's blog and staying away from this natterboard completely - if he was as honest and open as he claims to be.

But he doesn't. And in all the time he has been out he hasn't.

Why?

I think he don't wanta. :yes:
 

Carmel

Crusader
I agree that we have not seen any "dones" of any substance - especially considering the what "dones" could be produced from someone like Mike Rinder.

I would absolutely LOVE for Mike Rinder to shut me up and make me look bad for all that I've said about him by producing some major DONES.

An easy and immediate way for him to start is by answering some of the questions in the "Questions for Mike Rinder" thread right here on ESMB. He could do that tonight, in fact.

If he is as honest and open as he claims to be, there should be absolutely nothing wrong with coming on here and writing a few answers out - or even answering some of those questions on Marty's blog and staying away from this natterboard completely - if he was as honest and open as he claims to be.

But he doesn't. And in all the time he has been out he hasn't.

Why?

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=451375&postcount=57


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Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
When the voting begins for "OFFICIAL BEER OF ESMB" I would like to nominate Pilsner Urquell (served realllll cold)

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