Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2

[JustSheila]

I'm just curious, is anyone keeping track of the number of wealthy women who have financially supported Marty or continue to do so because they are the "only one" who understands him?

 

[Lurker5]

So according to his latest video he was "made an enemy" because he started using Scientology or things from Scientology's manual to keep people from "shooting the heads off their Scientologist Family and friends?"

Not even close there Marty-Mark! You got backlash and people changed their opinions of you (real life note: the average healthy person doesn't keep an enemies list or declare/label people as enemies - one can simply be disgusted with someone's behavior, angry at their actions and/or feel they lack character) because YOU asked people to support you and your wife, publicly declared your wife had filed a lawsuit and blogged about it.

Then suddenly the suit was dropped without a word or explanation so people began to discuss and question since it was incongruent with what you'd previously said. YOU were the one who came out swinging, started declaring enemies and making threats about people "rue-ing the day...". YOU started taking shots at people who'd helped and supported you, YOU gave an email to your previous declared enemy (CO$) to help them in a lawsuit and then proceeded to record these ridiculous videos, spewing vitriol, outright lies and throwing people who'd called you a friend (at one point) under the bus while judging & labeling THEM!

YOU created all this... you're the one with the narrative you want people to accept. Problem is, you've changed narratives and versions of "fact" so many times that very few believe you, take you seriously or see you as trustworthy in ANY fashion now. You made this bed and now you're angry at the world and lashing out because you have to sleep in it & no one wants to deal with your games or drama any more. That's what happens out here in the free world - it's not about "sheeple," it's simply fact that an awful lot of people are disgusted with your actions and words so have lost all respect for you. Out here in the real world when a LOT of people are in agreement about things like that, it's not due to being brainwashed, there's one constant in all of this - YOU. Perhaps it's time to look in the mirror and get some help instead of inventing membership groups and conspiracies that are out to get you and move on with your life and precious family. These bridges are burnt and IRL people have to demonstrate change, good character and all that goes into building trust. In time the people you've hurt will forgive you, move on and perhaps some would even choose to be friends with you again. But your days as a guru or opinion leader for the ex & Indy communities are likely over. It's pretty obvious why that is & hopefully one day you will come to terms with that & learn from it.

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Do I have this time-line correct?

a) "Preparing the ground" - is that referring to shooting the videos?

b) "Rue the day" - does this refer to the releases of his videos?

Follow up question:

Since I haven't watched the videos am I in a state of rue at this time, on this planet?

 

[Jenyfurrr]

I'm just curious, is anyone keeping track of the number of wealthy women who have financially supported Marty or continue to do so because they are the "only one" who understands him?

That's an interesting question! Knowing the degree of support that Karen alone gave. (Interesting that he's never addressed that since Karen shared how much she helped!) That's why those Sugar-Daddy digs at Mike (who had a consistent job, esp his work with Aaron Smith-Levin) fall so flat. Is there anyone else who's come out publicly saying they helped support him financially? Plus the auditing/counseling he was doing for a while. That's how he got connected with The Oracle initially, isn't it?

That was one thing that seemed to get universal praise, that he was an excellent auditor and helped a lot of people when they were coming out of the CO$. Maybe if he'd decided to live life & keep people's confidences vs. this latest cluster, he could've ended up becoming a good counselor or therapist.

 

[Jenyfurrr]

Since I haven't watched the videos am I in a state of rue at this time, on this planet?

No way - just means you're wise with your time!

 

[TrevAnon]

I'm just curious, is anyone keeping track of the number of wealthy women who have financially supported Marty or continue to do so because they are the "only one" who understands him?

I thought you supported him? :confused2:

In b4 list of wealthy women supporting Marty Rue Hubbard (yeah lame, I don't care )

 

[JustSheila]

That's an interesting question! Knowing the degree of support that Karen alone gave. (Interesting that he's never addressed that since Karen shared how much she helped!) That's why those Sugar-Daddy digs at Mike (who had a consistent job, esp his work with Aaron Smith-Levin) fall so flat. Is there anyone else who's come out publicly saying they helped support him financially?

Through backlines chat, I know of two other women besides Karen DLC who supported or still support him. I honestly wonder how many there have been in total. I've agreed never to share their names, but that doesn't keep anyone else who knows from sharing it or making good guesses.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

. . .
Leah Remini "First Look Documentary" . . . a 20-minute sneak peek
of tomorrow night's broadcast is on tonight around dinner and repeats
a little later tonight on A&E.

 

[phenomanon]

. . .
Leah Remini "First Look Documentary" . . . a 20-minute sneak peek
of tomorrow night's broadcast is on tonight around dinner and repeats
a little later tonight on A&E.

 

[Jenyfurrr]

Saw his latest this morning & he's truly doubling down on the digs at Mike Rinder but since the First Look was posted for tonight's REAL truth-dropping show, no ones thinking about or spending much energy on these clips - which is awesome!

Watching the ramp-up & focus on Mike & Leah, it seems distraction was the hope that these would cause. But what's sad is that, even simply from a posture of saving face & salvaging things, they could feign concern & care and change some policy to protect children, change disconnection, etc. (DM has changed plenty when it's suited him!) even if just to protect his golden cow - but nope! And THAT is why DM, Marty, Yingling, etc... NOT following the crowd, or any other silly excuse of yours that we ALL will still speak out, share stories & get the word out!

Because good people are being RUINED, abused, controlled, and even dying - until you get that (which, if you did, none of us would be here) you'll keep spouting "poor me," changing nothing while we grow more resolute, grow in number and continue getting louder until this is stopped UNEQUIVOCALLY!

 

[Anonycat]

I'm just curious, is anyone keeping track of the number of wealthy women who have financially supported Marty or continue to do so because they are the "only one" who understands him?

On the money topic ... when the Debbie Cook email went out, I created a sock account on FB to communicate with her. We used both messaging and email. I told her that I was anon. She trusted me like a friend. Meanwhile, Marty is taking up donations for Debbie's legal fees. It was getting pretty big, and Marty would write updates on his blog.

One day, Debbie and I were chatting, and she confided in me what her bill was up to. A lot! I said: You know, Marty Rathbun is fund-raising for you, and already has thousands of dollars. She did a big WTF?! She asked for a link to his blog, and she went there directly.

At the time I could not understand why he didn't contact her. I did. It was easy ... something was very odd about his collecting so much money unbeknownst to her.

 

[Jenyfurrr]

On the money topic ... (snipped) I said: You know, Marty Rathbun is fund-raising for you, and already has thousands of dollars. She did a big WTF?! She asked for a link to his blog, and she went there directly.

At the time I could not understand why he didn't contact her. I did. It was easy ... something was very odd about his collecting so much money unbeknownst to her.

Whoa! For someone who has SO much to say about "sugar daddies, gripping onto pant-legs, riding coat-tails..." he sure seemed to insert himself (well according to these videos - he STILL is doing just that) into a LOT of situations as a "consultant" or opinion-leader/advisor and seems to have a lot of money pass through him for MANY different people & causes! Wonder if she ever got all of that $?!?!

Interesting also that Ray Jeffries was atty for she as well. I imagine that during due dilligence and under the guise of atty/client privledge (though the case was Monique's, Marty was clear that he'd used RJ as his own representation for "certain matters") Ray likely knows a LOT more about Marty... oh to have been a fly on that wall!

It bothers me that I'm so intrigued at times as he doesn't deserve the attention. But I just don't get how he went from seeming to help so many people to then hurting and throwing under the bus so many of the same. That's what keeps me watching I think - I know he was part of horrible things in the CO$, but how do you see "the light" and then manage to try to revert to "un-seeing it" yet still sleep at night, maintain a marriage and be a parent?! I'm thankful I don't understand and can't relate because it just doesn't make sense!

 

[wigee1]

I'm just curious, is anyone keeping track of the number of wealthy women who have financially supported Marty or continue to do so because they are the "only one" who understands him?

Also send the list to me , I'm very misunderstood and need supporting Granitt.

 

[Jenyfurrr]

This disgusting man will stoop SO low (& has a pretty bad sense of time & names because it was a big deal when LZ/Churchill reached out to Paulette Cooper, then was on Leah's Show... because he's got his timeline & details as wrong as his "facts") as to use a comparison to Nazi's when talking about Len (not Lev!).

Last season, for those who weren't longer term Scio watchers, Len's speaking up on Leah's show touched SO many precisely because it was so genuine and raw! There were comments everywhere about how touching & REAL his story was! Those of us who heard his story at Tony's, here and had interacted with him online were even more touched. We knew how genuine and passionate he is as a person for speaking out against Scientology abuses, then hearing the way he reached out to Paulette Cooper and that whole exchange.

Before this, I thought Marty-mark was going to selectively touch on things here and there, but after watching this video (and feeling nauseated because I've interacted w/LZ at Tony's, followed him here and really like & respect him!) - but he's actually dumb enough to comment on Lenin this fashion so he's clearly dumb enough to comment even on victims of sexual assault and other people he's never met - simply to make up negativity surrounding them to follow the CO$ script he's been handed!

 

[ILove2Lurk]

. . .
Dirty Harry could have been talking about, errr . . . well,
a cocky show boater a lot like Marty, in this brief scene.

[video=youtube;58sP8azcHfQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58sP8azcHfQ[/video]

:wink2:

​

I love Clint. A man of few words.

 

[Lurker5]

. . .
Dirty Harry could have been talking about, errr . . . well,
a cocky show boater a lot like Marty, in this brief scene.

[video=youtube;58sP8azcHfQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58sP8azcHfQ[/video]

:wink2:

​

I love Clint. A man of few words.

 

[rickybobby]

Whoa! For someone who has SO much to say about "sugar daddies, gripping onto pant-legs, riding coat-tails..." he sure seemed to insert himself (well according to these videos - he STILL is doing just that) into a LOT of situations as a "consultant" or opinion-leader/advisor and seems to have a lot of money pass through him for MANY different people & causes!

...

It bothers me that I'm so intrigued at times as he doesn't deserve the attention. But I just don't get how he went from seeming to help so many people to then hurting and throwing under the bus so many of the same. That's what keeps me watching I think - I know he was part of horrible things in the CO$, but how do you see "the light" and then manage to try to revert to "un-seeing it" yet still sleep at night, maintain a marriage and be a parent?! I'm thankful I don't understand and can't relate because it just doesn't make sense!

Because this is what narcissists DO. They deflect, throw mud at the wall to see what sticks, and, every damn one of them will accuse others of doing what they themselves do.

It is incredibly transparent to many of us, and makes no damn sense whatsoever because it appears stupid and blatantly self serving, but the Narc has a blind spot and can't see how transparent it looks.

Also, look up Flying Monkey in the narcissist dictionary and you will find a picture of The Oracle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_monkeys_(psychology)

 

[Churchill]

This disgusting man will stoop SO low (& has a pretty bad sense of time & names because it was a big deal when LZ/Churchill reached out to Paulette Cooper, then was on Leah's Show... because he's got his timeline & details as wrong as his "facts") as to use a comparison to Nazi's when talking about Len (not Lev!).

Last season, for those who weren't longer term Scio watchers, Len's speaking up on Leah's show touched SO many precisely because it was so genuine and raw! There were comments everywhere about how touching & REAL his story was! Those of us who heard his story at Tony's, here and had interacted with him online were even more touched. We knew how genuine and passionate he is as a person for speaking out against Scientology abuses, then hearing the way he reached out to Paulette Cooper and that whole exchange.

Before this, I thought Marty-mark was going to selectively touch on things here and there, but after watching this video (and feeling nauseated because I've interacted w/LZ at Tony's, followed him here and really like & respect him!) - but he's actually dumb enough to comment on Lenin this fashion so he's clearly dumb enough to comment even on victims of sexual assault and other people he's never met - simply to make up negativity surrounding them to follow the CO$ script he's been handed!

Several things Marty said in his video are worth commenting on, particularly his strange assertion that OSA, unlike the GO is not a criminal organization. This is a shore story that was concocted in the wake of the FBI raid, and the subsequent conviction and imprisonment of 11 senior Scientologists, including Jane Kember and Mary Sue Hubbard.

Former B-1 GO staff like George Pilat, who Marty wrote about, and who was involved in the break-in of Robert Kaufman's apartment, moved to Florida, became a licensed PI, where he continued working for OSA, as Marty himself posted.

After the OSA re-organization, former GO Staff, including Andy and Kathy Savas, Charles Batdorf, Linda Barrigan,Jerry Hines, Henning Heldt, and Bruce Raymond and others all remained Scientologists in good standing. This pure OSA fiction, forwarded by Marty, that the GO 'crims" were kicked out, and that OSA now comports itself within lawful boundaries begs the question: Why did you ever bring a harassment suit if you genuinely believe that nonsense?

Marty proclaims that I was "expelled in the early 80's." False; I testified at the Wollersheim trial, and I infiltrated a Freezone group in Ithaca under OSA's direction. Check your dates, Marty; calendars don't lie.

Marty, like his Hubbardian alter ego, just pulls shit from his ass and pronounces it as fact.

I could go on; I have never, ever emailed Marty, although I posted 5 or 6 comments on Marty's blog over the years; the last post was written at the time he went off on Tony Ortega with his "rue the day" threat. It was a two sentence post letting him know that I understood, only too well, the tectonic forces that Scientology had subjected him to, but that Tony Ortega was not his enemy. I challenge Marty to produce any email he claims I sent him.

Let me conclude this post by noting the only two things Marty said about me that were true:

1. My last name is Zinberg.

2. Marty doesn't know me at all.

 

[Tanchi]

Because this is what narcissists DO. They deflect, throw mud at the wall to see what sticks, and, every damn one of them will accuse others of doing what they themselves do.

It is incredibly transparent to many of us, and makes no damn sense whatsoever because it appears stupid and blatantly self serving, but the Narc has a blind spot and can't see how transparent it looks.

Also, look up Flying Monkey in the narcissist dictionary and you will find a picture of The Oracle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_monkeys_(psychology)

Yep. I've participated in a couple of not- scientology online forums, so I've seen that before. Flying monkeys are terrorists, conversational terrorists. Marty's main monkey uses any tactic, but mostly uses the non-sequitur to hate smear people for exercising their right of free speech. And for banning her, lol. I skim thru the monkey talk, but wonder at what I perceive as a need for a messiah.
LRH is not criticised by auditors. There's some apologetics. , some explainers, but to admit he was a fraud might cost them big money, especially if that was umm like your only ieducablation major. Sorry, me cracking myself up. I havent seen anyone praise the current Leader, but it seems to me, there are some on Rathbuns blog that NEED to have someone to idolise, idealise.

 

[Gib]

The problem I have with Marty and his allowed comments to be posted, is simply, really, were are the docs that anybody has gone "clear" or "OT"?

His latest poster calling hisself "focus" is just a bunch of rhetorical nonsense. I mean like why should I listen to "focus" or what hisself has to say? Who is this person? Have they done all the auditing levels, have they done a complete reading of all of LRH materials known as lectures and books and advice's hidden from public?

This person who calls hisself "focus" on Marty's blog , why should I listen to what you have to say?