Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Interesting Bunker comment by someone who left the SO about a year ago. If they are so obsessed with sec-checking staff about Going Clear and willing to even draw the crew’s attention to it, then I’m taking this as additional support for the idea that COB is obsessed over Going Clear and this has something to do with Marty’s vids obsessing over it. I also take it as a recognition by the Church that all their crap is in the public domain and so there is no sense in trying to tip toe around it with generalizations like "Have you watched any documentaries that speak negatively about Scientology?".

They must be in full witch hunt mode. :witch2:

So glad I bailed!

http://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/im...arwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/#more-40979

OutAndAbout Jenyfurrrrr • 2 days ago
Your post made me think about how people get sucked in. They are being sucked in by members that are clueless to the truth, so they really believe what they are telling people. I can tell you that I was grilled on the cans for hours by an ethics officer at Big Blue to find out if I even KNEW anyone that watched "Going Clear". I hadn't even heard of it. I was enthusiastic about the tech When you have a member that is THAT convinced that they are doing the right thing, it's easy to see how one could believe them and want what they seem to have. I hope this makes sense. Some people seem to think that we are sucked in, knowing all the truths that are out there, but when I was sucked in there weren't even cell phones and for sure not personal computers and social media. It was easy to believe them. They seemed so happy and sure of themselves *FALSE* Nowadays, I can't imagine anyone walking into an org unless they are destitute and just don't care. The rest of the members are "born ins" and have no reality on any other life besides the cult. If they have to rely on "degraded beings" and "born-ins" for members then, I think their days are numbered.

 

[Tanchi]

Ok ok I got one!! How YouTube made me a shillionaire.

 

[George Layton]

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Outtakes
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View attachment 13658

Oh, hell yeah, we knew Hubbard crashed and burned at the end. It was obvious.
Miscavige and Broeker came up with the idea of the target two story and Hubbard
moving on to do disembodied OT research. We all went along. What else could we do?
~
If we had told the factual truth about Hubbard to the parishioners in 1986, well, the
jig would have been up right then and there. Most people would have left. We all had
too much invested already. Too much money was on the line, our careers. You gotta
understand we were controlling hundreds of millions in reserves, the old man was
gone, we felt like gods. We could do no wrong.
~
We knew there were no upper OT levels by 1988, when we raided Broeker's ranch . . .
third time. Miscavige was there, Yingling was there, Rinder, Wilhere, a few other execs,
muscle . . . six PIs, me. I think that was our third raid on Broeker and we came up empty.
We all knew we had nothing and had to rely on Mithoff to come up with something.
~
Starkey, Heber, everybody at the top either heard about it or figured it out after a
while. Everybody's job was to put up a false front and move forward, business
as usual. Those that balked got the RPF or later on put in the Hole forever.
~
Mithoff began balking about writing up some upper OT levels. Starting to develop
a conscience about it all. Well, you haven't seen him since 2001. He's locked up
in the Hole. You won't see him, or Heber, for the rest of their lives. That's the way
it's gotta be otherwise it's all gonna collapse. Miscavige won't allow it. He's god,
in his eyes, and don't let anyone convince you of anything otherwise.
~
Yeah, Rinder, and Yingling, knew everything from the get go. You've never seen him or
heard him deny it. Everyone's gotta do what they've got to do to survive in this world.
What else can I tell you? Go read some history books. It's the way it goes.
~
Oh, I'll be taken care of OK. See this seven hundred dollar sport coat I'm wearing.
You're not gonna buy this without some serious jack comin' in. Gotta keep the
parishioners paying in, don't we?
~
They'll believe anything won't they? It's pretty obvious. They'll all believe what we
tell them to believe. We learned that a long time ago. It's the most workable thing
about Scientology after all. You're not recording me now are you? Good!
~
:wink2:






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Have some fun in life. Yes, it's a parody.

He could have done better. He may have gotten a nice jacket out of the deal but I think if he would have played his cards better he might have even gotten a second shirt.

 

[Jenyfurrr]

Interesting Bunker comment by someone who left the SO about a year ago. If they are so obsessed with sec-checking staff about Going Clear and willing to even draw the crew’s attention to it, then I’m taking this as additional support for the idea that COB is obsessed over Going Clear and this has something to do with Marty’s vids obsessing over it. I also take it as a recognition by the Church that all their crap is in the public domain and so there is no sense in trying to tip toe around it with generalizations like "Have you watched any documentaries that speak negatively about Scientology?".

They must be in full witch hunt mode. :witch2:

So glad I bailed!

http://tonyortega.org/2017/07/04/im...arwater-bar-owner-not-only-target/#more-40979

I've only posted here once or twice but am a regular at the Bunker. Quite a few of us found that Sec Check comment interesting - the hyperfocus on Going Clear as it relates to these charming videos RATbun has been putting out there. Really does seem like a witch-hunt!

I was glad Jeff Hawkins responded and Karen posted it. I've got a family member who struggles with mental illness (psychotic episodes w/possible bi-polar) and that person is the only other person I've encountered in life that flip flops like this or will take something SO out of context "he hammered at my face" and turn it into a huge fixation, dramatized to completely change the focus of what's been said. His videos are actually uncomfortable to watch at times because that behavior hits so close to home for me!

I'm so sorry for all the great people he's throwing under the bus right now. It's truly disgusting regardless of his reasons! (Though for the record, I'm of the opinion CO$ got to him & is helping produce these vids in some fashion!)

Anyway - hello all - I've been lurking & learning here for ages and have had this thread up on my phone since it started!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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He could have done better. He may have gotten a nice jacket out of the deal but I think if he would have played his cards better he might have even gotten a second shirt.

Not all COS Members in-good-standing necessarily are happy about a declared SP being treated to a Haute Couture shopping spree.

Witness a recent post by Ned The Nerdy Nots OT:

Hey Everyone! I am totally winning on my Bridge!
Auditing on new GAT OT VII is beyond my
wildest dreams!!! Well, except for a little
BPC I have been trying to handle that's
not really um, well--Actually, I'm totally
pissed off about this whole sit where
my Church bought that SP Rathbun a
designer sports coat!! I mean, when
I did all those black ops for OSA
all they gave me was this orange
plaid engram that not only
didn't attract hot chicks,
I think it actually bogged
my entire Bridge
by attracting
BTs!



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[I told you I was trouble]

Oh Gawd, you make me laugh HH ... you do, you really really do (and so does ILove2Lurk)!

 

[Enthetan]

You may be right that handling the critics takes priority over the Freezone/Indies, but the FZ'er/Indies aren't "small fish". More Scientology gets done outside of the CoS than IN, and whether they're squirrelly or not is irrelevant when it comes to finances. If squirrel organizations can successfully attract those individuals interested in Scientology then they're hurting the CoS financially.

The power of Scientology over individuals rests on their ability to deny access to "The Tech".

If somebody who has been labeled an "illegal PC" finds out that there are LRH TRAINED auditors out there in the Indie sphere who would be happy to audit him, and do so for a reasonable price, he is much more likely to jump ship. Likewise, somebody declared is more likely to forego jumping through the "A to E" hoops, and just go indie. Likewise, somebody who is unimpressed with tech delivery in the orgs.

The Indie option is a mortal threat to CoS's power.

 

[WildKat]

The power of Scientology over individuals rests on their ability to deny access to "The Tech".

If somebody who has been labeled an "illegal PC" finds out that there are LRH TRAINED auditors out there in the Indie sphere who would be happy to audit him, and do so for a reasonable price, he is much more likely to jump ship. Likewise, somebody declared is more likely to forego jumping through the "A to E" hoops, and just go indie. Likewise, somebody who is unimpressed with tech delivery in the orgs.

The Indie option is a mortal threat to CoS's power.

Yes, there is a place for the "Indie Halfway House". Some people leaving the cult don't need it but some really DO. A sudden transition can be too much for some.

 

[Boson Wog Stark]

Was Marty just waiting, angling for a payoff from Miscavige all along?

I remember when Marty first started blogging. There were a few people who thought he might be working for OSA, trying to gain the confidence of ex-members or journalists, collecting as much information on them as he could, so that he and Miscavige could protect Scientology from its inevitable decline in the age of the Internet.

The more critical of Miscavige Marty got, and the more damage it was doing, the less this theory held any weight. However, it might not seem so silly now as it did to me then because of the way Marty has turned on his friends. I still don't believe it though.

Miscavige showed tremendous perseverance and patience in spending millions to have Pat Broeker followed, but up until the end that was in secret and not generating negative publicity for Scientology. The things Marty was doing were damaging. Marty opened the door on other high level executives and Scientologists speaking out, even though, initially, I understand now that Marty had to be coaxed by some ex-Scientologists friends to speak out, and get out of his funk.

Assuming Marty has accepted a sizable payoff, there are two main theories of Marty's motivations:

Theory #1: Marty has been angling for a payoff from the very beginning of his blog

Using his inside knowledge of the things which drive Miscavige to react in certain ways, Marty began a calculated effort to get a payoff from him. His whole foray into Indie Scientology was not so much because he thought that would ever be successful, but because he knew it might prompt Miscavige to try to shut him down with a payoff.

Another thing Marty did was keep suggesting on his blog that he had some seriously damning secret information on Miscavige, something he needed to save to protect himself should Miscavige come after him legally. While I doubt this is true, I don't know it to be false either.

If Marty had stuck to his Indie principles, he would have missed out in key participation in GOING CLEAR the documentary, as well as Louis Theroux's movie, and other TV and journalistic pieces. As pointed out to me recently by HelluvaHoax, Marty shifted from Indie Scientology to eventually saying "I am not a Scientologist," by first causing a rift over literal vs. symbolic or metaphorical interpretation of the "scriptures," beginning with everyone's favorite evil galactic overlord, Xenu.
Marty lost most of his Indie following in a matter of a few months over these issues, including the person he used to tout as his tech expert (or at least "a" tech expert in Scientology), Jim Logan.

As Miscavige's former right-hand man, even as an Indie, Marty would always be interviewed, but he realized he'd probably be more high profile in the media if he relaxed the Indie shtick. He could turn David Miscavige into a household name for being a violent, controlling little man if he focused on that, as he had the opportunity to do in MY SCIENTOLOGY MOVIE.

More opportunities came Marty's way -- he could feel himself getting closer to a payoff -- when Miscavige could not stop surveilling and harassing Marty. And even when he wasn't there, they kept following and harassing his wife also. Mosey's court case began, looked bad for the Church, and Miscavige made an offer Marty couldn't refuse.

Theory #2: Marty wandered into the payoff from a set of circumstances

After Marty left, he could have ignored Scientology, except maybe as a private pursuit, had it not been for ex-members who encouraged him to blog and start speaking out against David Miscavige, the abuses he saw and in some cases was a part of.

Marty became enthralled with running a half-way house of sorts, and that he was helping people, and that he would lead Independent Scientology to new heights. He was reading a lot of non-Scientology books and trying to incorporate it all into Scientology. His blog followers loved this.

Marty and Mike both endured a lot of criticism from Anonymous, because people wanted to know about their exact roles in specific operations, and neither of them were very forthcoming on that. They both wanted to talk about Miscavige a lot, but not so much themselves. For a couple years there, Mike said very little about how he felt about Scientology.

It wasn't only Anonymous but ex-members and other critics of Scientology also who were frustrated with these two. After all, we see that Hubbard had nearly everything to do with the problem with Scientology today. He created disconnection. He created David Miscavige in so many ways. Or at least he created the system which allowed David Miscavige to flourish.

When Marty started waking up to this, and became quite articulate about real problems with Hubbard and Scientology, I thought it was wonderful seeing this growth. I understood that Marty still thought Scientology had some value, that he got things out of it, but he was also seeing its downside and problems clearly.

Before this, I thought Marty had the idea that because of his Scientology, it gave him unlimited human potential. He wanted to develop as a writer and write the great American novel. The failure and criticism of his books bothered him a lot. It is one reason he lashes out at others so harshly, or doesn't mind doing it.

Early in his blog, when his writing was particularly terrible, people in the comments would sometimes say what a great writer he was. But he also got endless criticism, not only for his writing, but for flaws in his thinking, and for authoritative pronouncements, whether it was about the value of Hubbard's technology, or something else.

When Miscavige started going at him with the film crew and Squirrel Busters, house across the street with a crew watching him, Marty could probably envision that going on for the rest of his life, unless he found a way to put a stop to it. He would never be free of it, unless he had the opportunity to strike a private deal with Miscavige, which would allow Miscavige and Scientology to not lose any face, be humiliated.

So the difference between these theories is #2 has Marty being more human, driven by criticism and the relentless pursuit by Miscavige which he just did not want to live with for the rest of his life. Even if Mosey's case had gone to court and they'd won a huge settlement, he felt that Miscavige would pursue him relentlessly for the rest of his life. And so it is #2 which I think is closer to the truth, although it could also be a blend of both theories.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Yes, there is a place for the "Indie Halfway House". Some people leaving the cult don't need it but some really DO. A sudden transition can be too much for some.

Unless I am mistaken, there is tech on the advanced levels where Ron talks about that.

It's in the NOTS materials of handling BTs so that they leave. Ron's research discovered that some BTs are resistive and don't immediately take off after being run on WHO ARE YOU?/WHAT ARE YOU?. Or, they do take off but they only go a certain distance away and then "hang up"--still connected by some kind of etherial string or line. Ron called this BT phenomenon "HALF BLOWs".

Remarkably, even LRH himself was subject to this MEST mechanism, as seen when (like seemingly "gone" BTs who were actually lurking some distance away, just out of sight) Ron pretended he was no longer managing and profiting from Scientology, whilst hiding out on ships or inside a traveling BlueBird motorhome. Fortunately for the Commodore, the process servers and federal agencies did not know the "THETAN HAND" TECHNIQUE of how to remedy a "Half Blown" planetary savior.

Well, you may think I am rambling, but I assure you this all relates to "Half-Blown" Scientologists who travel out some distance away from the cult's home planet, but still remain within its gravitational orbit. They did try to blow, but--well--they didn't. They're still Scientologists at some profound level of trust, faith and belief. Recall when Rathbun blew, he merely became a re-branded fanatical KSW-breathing planet clearer; ergo, his "ODE TO L. RON HUBBARD" which caused ex-Scientologists around the world to (immediately after reading it) to sit frozen at their computers, slack-jawed, blankly staring at nothing--while the dimly disoriented thought kept playing their mind: "You.have.got.to.be.fuck.ing.kid.ding.me".

I have always maintained that Indies are simply HALF-BLOWN Scientologists. That's why I always insist on standardly running them on the ENTHETAN HAND TECHNIQUE otherwise known as Joking & Degrading.

 

[anonomog]

If Marty has set his Ode to music and sings it in an upcoming video I'm out of here. White flag up. Nice knowing you. Women and children first. Good luck and goodbye.
Strong self preservation is strong.

https://youtu.be/5oVWUAbREq0

 

[Elronius of Marcabia]

Marty's attack-the-critic series

Fron the first to last video that is all Mawty does.

I said it a few years ago in speculation after seeing his little "Good Ol Boy" fishin video with
Rinder, I don't trust him then and I don't trust him now.

For all his talk of being the big bad dude who was gonna take down Miscaviage and Co.
and now here he is carrying the oldest of lines from Guardians Office.

Critics of Scientology are in it to make money.

Sorry Mawty I don't buy it and don't care if they do.

Thing I see with Mawty is triple fail.

#1
Mawty the whistle blower extraordinaire ...FAIL


#2
Mawty the leader of the Indie's ...FAIL

#3
Mawty the writer ...Fail

Mawty the soothe sayer with objectivity revealing to all of us poor sheeple
the "what is "Really" going on...FAIL

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Was Marty just waiting, angling for a payoff from Miscavige all along?

I remember when Marty first started blogging. There were a few people who thought he might be working for OSA, trying to gain the confidence of ex-members or journalists, collecting as much information on them as he could, so that he and Miscavige could protect Scientology from its inevitable decline in the age of the Internet.

The more critical of Miscavige Marty got, and the more damage it was doing, the less this theory held any weight. However, it might not seem so silly now as it did to me then because of the way Marty has turned on his friends. I still don't believe it though.

Miscavige showed tremendous perseverance and patience in spending millions to have Pat Broeker followed, but up until the end that was in secret and not generating negative publicity for Scientology. The things Marty was doing were damaging. Marty opened the door on other high level executives and Scientologists speaking out, even though, initially, I understand now that Marty had to be coaxed by some ex-Scientologists friends to speak out, and get out of his funk.

Assuming Marty has accepted a sizable payoff, there are two main theories of Marty's motivations:

Theory #1: Marty has been angling for a payoff from the very beginning of his blog

Using his inside knowledge of the things which drive Miscavige to react in certain ways, Marty began a calculated effort to get a payoff from him. His whole foray into Indie Scientology was not so much because he thought that would ever be successful, but because he knew it might prompt Miscavige to try to shut him down with a payoff.

Another thing Marty did was keep suggesting on his blog that he had some seriously damning secret information on Miscavige, something he needed to save to protect himself should Miscavige come after him legally. While I doubt this is true, I don't know it to be false either.

If Marty had stuck to his Indie principles, he would have missed out in key participation in GOING CLEAR the documentary, as well as Louis Theroux's movie, and other TV and journalistic pieces. As pointed out to me recently by HelluvaHoax, Marty shifted from Indie Scientology to eventually saying "I am not a Scientologist," by first causing a rift over literal vs. symbolic or metaphorical interpretation of the "scriptures," beginning with everyone's favorite evil galactic overlord, Xenu.
Marty lost most of his Indie following in a matter of a few months over these issues, including the person he used to tout as his tech expert (or at least "a" tech expert in Scientology), Jim Logan.

As Miscavige's former right-hand man, even as an Indie, Marty would always be interviewed, but he realized he'd probably be more high profile in the media if he relaxed the Indie shtick. He could turn David Miscavige into a household name for being a violent, controlling little man if he focused on that, as he had the opportunity to do in MY SCIENTOLOGY MOVIE.

More opportunities came Marty's way -- he could feel himself getting closer to a payoff -- when Miscavige could not stop surveilling and harassing Marty. And even when he wasn't there, they kept following and harassing his wife also. Mosey's court case began, looked bad for the Church, and Miscavige made an offer Marty couldn't refuse.

Theory #2: Marty wandered into the payoff from a set of circumstances

After Marty left, he could have ignored Scientology, except maybe as a private pursuit, had it not been for ex-members who encouraged him to blog and start speaking out against David Miscavige, the abuses he saw and in some cases was a part of.

Marty became enthralled with running a half-way house of sorts, and that he was helping people, and that he would lead Independent Scientology to new heights. He was reading a lot of non-Scientology books and trying to incorporate it all into Scientology. His blog followers loved this.

Marty and Mike both endured a lot of criticism from Anonymous, because people wanted to know about their exact roles in specific operations, and neither of them were very forthcoming on that. They both wanted to talk about Miscavige a lot, but not so much themselves. For a couple years there, Mike said very little about how he felt about Scientology.

It wasn't only Anonymous but ex-members and other critics of Scientology also who were frustrated with these two. After all, we see that Hubbard had nearly everything to do with the problem with Scientology today. He created disconnection. He created David Miscavige in so many ways. Or at least he created the system which allowed David Miscavige to flourish.

When Marty started waking up to this, and became quite articulate about real problems with Hubbard and Scientology, I thought it was wonderful seeing this growth. I understood that Marty still thought Scientology had some value, that he got things out of it, but he was also seeing its downside and problems clearly.

Before this, I thought Marty had the idea that because of his Scientology, it gave him unlimited human potential. He wanted to develop as a writer and write the great American novel. The failure and criticism of his books bothered him a lot. It is one reason he lashes out at others so harshly, or doesn't mind doing it.

Early in his blog, when his writing was particularly terrible, people in the comments would sometimes say what a great writer he was. But he also got endless criticism, not only for his writing, but for flaws in his thinking, and for authoritative pronouncements, whether it was about the value of Hubbard's technology, or something else.

When Miscavige started going at him with the film crew and Squirrel Busters, house across the street with a crew watching him, Marty could probably envision that going on for the rest of his life, unless he found a way to put a stop to it. He would never be free of it, unless he had the opportunity to strike a private deal with Miscavige, which would allow Miscavige and Scientology to not lose any face, be humiliated.

So the difference between these theories is #2 has Marty being more human, driven by criticism and the relentless pursuit by Miscavige which he just did not want to live with for the rest of his life. Even if Mosey's case had gone to court and they'd won a huge settlement, he felt that Miscavige would pursue him relentlessly for the rest of his life. And so it is #2 which I think is closer to the truth, although it could also be a blend of both theories.

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I like theories about what Rathbun's maniacal meltdown is really all about.

I like your theories. I like others' theories, I even sometimes like my own theories.

But I am never fully satisfied that any of them is sufficiently surreal, bizarre and/or get-the-fuck-outta-here-weird enough to match the rest of the 20th century's biggest religious hoax. I mean, this is Scientology we're talking about. If one didn't know much about the cult--they could very likely NEVER BE ABLE TO GUESS about things as unpredictably freaky as what Scientology actually was. Think Xenu. Think multi-billion dollar uniformed paramilitary cult on ships with hot-pants wearing teen age girls holding up ashtrays for a planetary messiah that gets drunk nightly and tells his billion year slaves wondrous stories of how he is really Buddha and the dangerous trip he took to Venus where he was nearly run over by a freight locomotive.

That's what I'm lookin' for! Drop-dead-mind-numbingly-corny-cult-crazy-creepyology! LOL

I have this nagging feeling that the denouement of this entire ludicrous hoax with Rathbun is going to eventually come out and it's going to be so unpredictably freaky that everyone will kind of sit back in a euphoric daze, mumbling to themselves: "Yeahhhhh, I guess it would have to be something totally and unimaginably insane like that--because it's Scientology!" LOL

I have no theories to offer today. But I can manufacture one for the sake of example. It might be something like:

A multi-billion dollar Russian oligarch who is a dedicated devoté of "Ron's Org" approached (via backchannels) Rathbun with a proposition. Dump the lawsuit vs. the COS and dedicate his full time efforts to being the spiritual, technical and executive head of a new planet-clearing organization, Ron's Way International. They even have their own theme music ( sung by a Russian Sinatra impersonator) with "I did it Ronnnnnnnnnnnn's Way" lyrics.

Yeah, so the deal is that he offers Comrade Rathbun $50M to get this thing up and running, $20M of which is distributed (tax free) to Rathbun personally; the balance of $30M to be discretionary funds which Marty can use any way he sees fit--in order to boom Ron's Way Int'l.

But, the deal also includes a series of videos which dead agents all of the previous dead-agenting that Marty did vs. the tech, Ron and Scientology. Maybe a couple days of filming, but then a lifetime of lavishness and power and prestige--with Rathbun finally the Czar of his very own religion. Which is good for him and good for the planet, because he is very, very, very sure that only he knows the ultimate truths about how to save the world. ​

Now that would be kind of a satisfying scenario, in a Scientologically, surrealistically stupid way, wouldn't it? LOL

 

[UhLasare]

Marty's newest video (Leah Remini... Part 15)

Marty:
"...now, [Marc Headley], who said he got hit, punched, now had the quote unquote shit beat out of him by the quote unquote Pope, who Mike Rinder, gratuitously puts in, 'David Miscavige liked to be known as the Pope'. Entirely and utterly manufactured. He literally manufactured that. Never happened."

Marty's Blog Post: Scientology Top Management from Oct 19, 2014

Marty:
"3. The woman is Jenny Linson Devocht. She is a close personal aide to David Miscavige – the self-proclaimed pope of scientology. She is also an intimate friend of Miscavige."

Infamous Text Messages from 2007, as published on Tony's blog on Jan 4, 2014

From: Lou/DM
To: Mike Rinder, Cc: Tommy Davis
Mar 23, 2007

Thank you. As gone over, you need to determine how you handle it if he shows up at Gold. If you and Tommy catch him in Hemet, he may then say “let’s go to Gold”. It may be better for them to try to go to booth and do a surprise and Gold Secuirity to ask who they’ve been dealing with and when they say you, have a call put in where you and Tommy then speak to Sweeny (recorded of course, with his consent (although by now a video team woulkd be on them) toasting him for doing a “surprise” visit to yet another major Church facility after having been offered a tour a month ago. This is only what I heard him say to you. The point is to not get traoped into them saying “well, now that you are here, we’ll do a tour” and you having to say “its too late” and them then reporting yoiu “refused tlo show them and it was all a ruse”. Right now you have a record of showing them through CC, Pac, CCHR and the places they refused to go being Flag and Gold (while making demands to interview the pope). You two are to solve this. As for the documentary, you can also solve that as a documentary needs writing, editing and you name it and as for who is available, the answer is nobody as everybody doing the work does so because you, Tommy and all else won’t. You’re the ones with all the footage. Do you have it being transcribed by OSA yet? How did Bob get omitted from this cycle. Plus, you have your pals like your “friends” you have been hanging with/supporting. Solve it as he’s expecting your documentary this week — edited and ready for mising and post-prod.

 

[Elronius of Marcabia]

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.

I like theories about what Rathbun's maniacal meltdown is really all about.

I like your theories. I like others' theories, I even sometimes like my own theories.

But I am never fully satisfied that any of them is sufficiently surreal, bizarre and/or get-the-fuck-outta-here-weird enough to match the rest of the 20th century's biggest religious hoax. I mean, this is Scientology we're talking about. If one didn't know much about the cult--they could very likely NEVER BE ABLE TO GUESS about things as unpredictably freaky as what Scientology actually was. Think Xenu. Think multi-billion dollar uniformed paramilitary cult on ships with hot-pants wearing teen age girls holding up ashtrays for a planetary messiah that gets drunk nightly and tells his billion year slaves wondrous stories of how he is really Buddha and the dangerous trip he took to Venus where he was nearly run over by a freight locomotive.

That's what I'm lookin' for! Drop-dead-mind-numbingly-corny-cult-crazy-creepyology! LOL

I have this nagging feeling that the denouement of this entire ludicrous hoax with Rathbun is going to eventually come out and it's going to be so unpredictably freaky that everyone will kind of sit back in a euphoric daze, mumbling to themselves: "Yeahhhhh, I guess it would have to be something totally and unimaginably insane like that--because it's Scientology!" LOL

I have no theories to offer today. But I can manufacture one for the sake of example. It might be something like:

A multi-billion dollar Russian oligarch who is a dedicated devoté of "Ron's Org" approached (via backchannels) Rathbun with a proposition. Dump the lawsuit vs. the COS and dedicate his full time efforts to being the spiritual, technical and executive head of a new planet-clearing organization, Ron's Way International. They even have their own theme music ( sung by a Russian Sinatra impersonator) with "I did it Ronnnnnnnnnnnn's Way" lyrics.

Yeah, so the deal is that he offers Comrade Rathbun $50M to get this thing up and running, $20M of which is distributed (tax free) to Rathbun personally; the balance of $30M to be discretionary funds which Marty can use any way he sees fit--in order to boom Ron's Way Int'l.

But, the deal also includes a series of videos which dead agents all of the previous dead-agenting that Marty did vs. the tech, Ron and Scientology. Maybe a couple days of filming, but then a lifetime of lavishness and power and prestige--with Rathbun finally the Czar of his very own religion. Which is good for him and good for the planet, because he is very, very, very sure that only he knows the ultimate truths about how to save the world. ​

Now that would be kind of a satisfying scenario, in a Scientologically, surrealistically stupid way, wouldn't it? LOL[/QUOTE

Theory 3# HH

Marty is still Miscaviages Fixer and has been in deep cover withthe Mission to take down the Indies and the
Critics or at least spread enough disinformation and then back out discrediting even himself.

Whether planned or not it has worked out that way has'nt it

it's probably worse than that afterall it is Scientology

 

[Boson Wog Stark]

[video]https://youtu.be/Yd3gDxdO5cs[/video]

Marty's critique of Leah Remini Scientology Aftermath show, Pt. 15, episode with the Headleys.

Instead of Espinol, Marty Rathbun, Esquirrel, constitutional law scholar, pours a little espagnole sauce over his review of Leah's segment with the Headleys.

He talks about a "pronunciamiento" by Rinder, and then he adds a dash of the "infinitive all-inclusive" (whatever the hell that means) followed by the "subjunctive," in his grammar-themed critique. Marty shows that he knows about as much about Spanish and/or grammar as Hubbard knew what things were called trillions of years ago.

As usual, it's impossible to figure out what the Headley's case was from this, although Marty scores big points by mentioning the name David Miscavige in close proximity to the phrase, "got the shit beat out of him" near the end of the segment. Forced abortion is mentioned. I'm surprised they allowed that in, considering some Sea Org members might see this.

Other highlights include a loud snort at the 3:13 mark, where Marty snorts back a gob of phlegm stuck in his sinuses. Seriously, they couldn't edit that out?

 

[arcxcauseblows]

Re: Marty's attack-the-critic series

I just hope he's getting paid enough to buy some counseling it has to hurt deep to have to write yourself into the history books as a useless miscavige sock puppet

He harassed people in scientology got harassed back out of scientology tried to sue scientology for it now he's harassing for Scientology again

This is batshit crazy and it just goes to show the world that's what Scientology does in the end

Hubbard died batshit crazy hiding and believing body thetans were still haunting him

Miscavige is even more batshit crazy trying to be a tiny tough guy

Marty has gone full retard

You have to expect things like this, there's no logical explanation for batshit crazy it is what it is

Gives you a glimpse into miscaviges mind

He's writing these ocd scripts and you can hear the desperation as he tries to convince himself that he's not crazy and everyone else are bad guys

It's just endless ad hominem and logical fallacy

Nobody is watching the videos they're just part of the endless series of disgusting freedom mag videos that only serve to prove how sick Scientology is

It's like the last whisper of a dying breed of imbeciles living inside a tiny delusion bubble

The belief system is so fragile it's like the spoiled toddler at recess screaming bloody murder when someone else gets to play with the ball, sorry child I guess life's just not fair the world is moving on and nobody cares about your fits

 

[WildKat]

Re: Marty's attack-the-critic series

The mods might merge this thread with the other one, but I'll comment anyway.

I was envisioning Marty as a Skunk earlier, stinking up the Ex scene.

But now I see him as Marty the Nitpicker.

Or Marty the Hairsplitter.

He THINKS he's doing damage to the Ex community, but what he's really doing is providing comedy fuel and new material for Shoops. Wish I had Photoshop skills.

The truth is no one cares about or is even watching his videos except a few of us here, who are looking for good comedy material. I watched the first few and gave up. Helluvahoax is having a field day, LOL.

 

[Pierrot]

Many scenarios possible, indeed - my gut feeling balances between intentional infiltration from the begining (that was the impression when he arrived on stage years ago, unless he did prove the contrary. He didn't). If so, a very nice move as that also dead agents any church defector from there on, someone might think.

Or simply Marty's usual knee jerk stimulus response reaction to defeat any perceived opposition, displayed on his blog and displayed while he was in the church early 80s when the new regime took on.

Perhaps a mix of both then - the fact of spoon feeding others what to think, telling what flaws of others are, what destructive acts committed by others are (which are usually but a mirror reflection of one's own character, the person describing it unable to perceive anything else), and other such niceties like telling what supposed evil intentions other have - all that is part of that culture during those years.

That's theories, and there is some fun observing it as a spectator on one's free time, how it all unravels ...

I guess the church doesn't realise the potential damage Marty's videos are doing now and are going to do against the subject of Scientology and the church in the future. It's not only Marty's embarrassing body language in his videos that gives away ALL about what's going on. If they did understand (and they would need to understand public relations, society, manners, ethnics, ...) they would pay Marty millions to stop talking about anything related to Scientology, stop posting his debrief on the net, ... - and destroy what's left of the reputation of the church and Scientology completely.

(sigh...)

LOL

 

[Boson Wog Stark]

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I like your theories. I like others' theories, I even sometimes like my own theories.

But I am never fully satisfied that any of them is sufficiently surreal, bizarre and/or get-the-fuck-outta-here-weird enough to match the rest of the 20th century's biggest religious hoax. I mean, this is Scientology we're talking about. If one didn't know much about the cult--they could very likely NEVER BE ABLE TO GUESS about things as unpredictably freaky as what Scientology actually was. Think Xenu. Think multi-billion dollar uniformed paramilitary cult on ships with hot-pants wearing teen age girls holding up ashtrays for a planetary messiah that gets drunk nightly and tells his billion year slaves wondrous stories of how he is really Buddha and the dangerous trip he took to Venus where he was nearly run over by a freight locomotive.

LOL. Who knows? Marty tried to start his own cult. He could have gotten really kooky after a while, maybe had a mass suicide to get his followers to Target 2. It never would have been 900 people though. Knowing Marty, it probably would have been just a symbolic mass suicide to get to a metaphorical Target 2.

You're right though, even with the jacket and new shirt, from this series, I can't see Marty getting anyone to hold his ashtray, let alone someone wearing hot pants doing that. And he's not wearing any clothing with a nautical or space theme. He's not even wearing a Clear bracelet. Who could possibly take him seriously?

It could be that Scientology was not ready for a quantum offshoot, especially one with so much symbolism. It's as if Marty didn't understand how much of an exact science Scientology is. And it's so much more real than implants like the theory of evolution or other religions.

Yeah, I think we're just going to have to face the fact Marty doesn't mind making a fool of himself for a pile of money, and he doesn't have it in him to start his own cult or be nearly as crazy, colorful, controlling and abusive as the cult he was in for so many years.

I will say that I thought Marty was very smart when he got his camera out, when the Squirrel Busters came by, including one time in a paddle boat. And if he had OT powerz such that he used to move planets with his finger in past lives, or whatever he did in his job as prison warden (according to Tommy Davis) he was probably smart not to reveal those.