The highest OT level

[Terril park]

Milestone 1 = LRH being in total control and the richest dude on the planet?

520303 HCL 1 - Scientology - Milestone One
New R&D - Volume 9, p. 456.

If you will just stay with me on this line, up to the first milestone in Scientology, and bring yourself up to a high level of ability and apply yourself to that, you will be free - free from me and from Scientology too!

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Majority of the ex-Scientologists and Scientologists for some reason believe that LRH manufactured fifteen OT levels -- that would make OT 15 the highest level. But, to my knowledge, there are no official documents stating the number of OT levels. I wonder where this figure, 15, came from.
My own explanation is that LRH’s thetan contacted his followers after his death to reveal to them that OT 15 is the final stage.

He could have made 15,000 OT Levels, however the real question is does anyone in this video look as if they gained anything of value from any of Hubbard's OT Levels, other than a silly ass fake navy costume?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4795916476185244372#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4795916476185244372#docid=-9200465940589235031

I have yet to see a single Scientology OT who possesses any abilities that the average person on the street does not possess ... not a single one.

but I have seen numerous OTs who have become mentally and or emotionally handicapped as a result of Hubbard's batshit crazy Standard Tech.

If someone thinks otherwise I'd love to see them step up and show me I'm wrong.

 

[Jachs]

520303 HCL 1 - Scientology - Milestone One
New R&D - Volume 9, p. 456.

If you will just stay with me on this line, up to the first milestone in Scientology, and bring yourself up to a high level of ability and apply yourself to that, you will be free - free from me and from Scientology too!

1952 Ahhhhh The Mesmerising Buddha, my words have a powerful effect on people

If you will just stay with me on this line for one billion years we will go onto target 89, did you help, this is a tremendous responsibility i have borne it too long alone( 30 years) you share it with me now..

For every early days poetic trust me i have your back twinkling quote i can trump it with a post 1960s entrapment.

Heres the deal
i work 30 years
you work 1,000,000,000,000 years

 

[Jachs]

No, I don't expect to meet LRH or Capt Bill further up the Bridge. I personally think that LRH's own case was in a horrible state having been run over out-Int, out-Lists, with a heavy drug history, and never having an auditor with "altitude" over his case, and so forth.

Lots of people want to go up, but many have different ideas of how to achieve that. Some disagree that "up" is possible. Some think that "up" is actually "down"; and of course that "down" is actually "up". Who should impose their will and say that only their way is correct. Certainly not me.

I think Hubbards case was in a horrible state too somehow,

 

[Dulloldfart]

I find I am getting more tolerant of the viewpoint of others, especially when they seem “batshit crazy”. The point is that I had read stuff by Captain Bill before I had started OTIII and it was totally outside my reality – unreal – and apparently paranoid ravings. Even our own DOF has posted stuff which was well over-the-top – unreal - totally what-the-fuck. http://www.freewebs.com/paulsr3x/TelepathicMetering.htm

Reading over that 2004 article again on telepathic metering there is very little I would change if I were to re-write it based on my views today. Note my introductory paragraphs in it where I say how I had thought the whole subject was in the batshit category, and what caused me to change my mind.

Because of my prior disbelief, I have no trouble seeing how others won't accept what I say in it.

Paul

 

[Veda]

Scientology true believers love to refer to "Milestone 1," especially when attempting to "handle" critics of Scientology. It's supposed to show that Hubbard really was interested in others' freedom and not in establishing Scientology as a monument to his giant ego. That the oft quoted words were Hubbard playing with the heads of his starry-eyed followers in classic con man style escapes them. Or does it? Are these true believers (who, of course, also "think for themselves," just as Ron told them to) also playing with our heads? After all, we are at a lower awareness level and in need of "handling"...

520303 HCL 1 - Scientology - Milestone One
New R&D - Volume 9, p. 456.

If you will just stay with me on this line, up to the first milestone in Scientology, and bring yourself up to a high level of ability and apply yourself to that, you will be free - free from me and from Scientology too!

1952 Ahhhhh The Mesmerising Buddha, my words have a powerful effect on people

If you will just stay with me on this line for one billion years we will go onto target 89, did you help, this is a tremendous responsibility i have borne it too long alone( 30 years) you share it with me now..

For every early days poetic trust me i have your back twinkling quote i can trump it with a post 1960s entrapment.

Heres the deal
i work 30 years
you work 1,000,000,000,000 years

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Re: The highest OT level~~ Reality Check!

I'd just like to say that I love all you guys, no matter where you are on the "getting free from judging myself and others by from where I am the bridge" spectrum.

I think that the most "OT" you can get is to free yourself from any and all kinds of prior indoctrination (of all kinds), which many of you have done or are doing, so congrats on your OTness, everyone!

I know that a lot of people still have warm fuzzies for parts or aspects of the tech, aside from their bad experiences with the horror story that is the COS. I get it. I understand why some people feel this way, and it's o.k. It's not for me, but to each his own! I also understand why some people want to have nothing to do with it anymore! This is also o.k.

Lesolee, I can think of many reasons why you might have wins by doing the process you describe. It's o.k. Solo auditing might be very soothing and calming for someone who got "relief" from auditing for years.

Doing any kind of repetitive discipline of sitting quietly alone and examining one's thoughts and feelings within some kind of context or structure might be helpful for most people with normal minds.

I'm sure that there are many, many other modalities which would also make you feel better, that you just haven't tried or been exposed to yet. Please don't let yourself fall into the trap of thinking that Scientology is the only thing that will work for you. But if this is what you want to do for now, and it's working o.k. for you, fine. Feel free to do something else when and if the spirit moves you.

You're going with the comfort of the familiar, and I understand that. I'm glad you're getting some good out of it. As long as you recognize that your telepathic communication is with yourself, with aspects of your own mind, and not with other "beings" separate from yourself, you'll be o.k. I personally think you are playing with fire, but boys do enjoy that, I get it!

But please don't think that doing solo processing is the only tool in your toolbox for personal growth, healing or transformation. Don't limit yourself that way. No need to, really!

I hope you do not feel that I am invalidating you, as that is not my intention to do so. However, you may feel that I am evaluating for you, and that is all right. This is what we do for each other out in the real world. We hold up mirrors to each other all the time. We get and give feedback. This is an important way in which we learn and grow personally. Remember that I am not a Scientologist, and the ability to discern and make accurate evaluations of people, events and circumstances is a highly valued survival skill in the non-indoctrinated, non-Scientologist world. Once you get really good at doing this kind of discernment and evaluation, it's called "wisdom"!

 

[Ulduz]

I find I am getting more tolerant of the viewpoint of others, especially when they seem “batshit crazy”. The point is that I had read stuff by Captain Bill before I had started OTIII and it was totally outside my reality – unreal – and apparently paranoid ravings. Even our own DOF has posted stuff which was well over-the-top – unreal - totally what-the-fuck. http://www.freewebs.com/paulsr3x/TelepathicMetering.htm

And now, having started on solo NOTs, I find myself applying a bit of info from the Excalibur pack and having it work. This is a sobering feeling. It’s like “Well you arrogant prick, somebody else knows more than you AGAIN. When are you going to realise you don’t know everything and just because stuff is outside your pathetic reality level doesn’t mean to say it is wrong.”

So I find myself strangely drawn to this “batshit crazy” stuff, not because of belief, but because (unfortunately) it seems to have some workability to it. Now it is obviously true that this stuff is entirely subjective. Is it delusional or factual? My only take on that is – well it makes me feel “better” session by session, so for me it is real to that extent.

It has always been true that the next step on the Bridge is the one that is the most real for the person. Going too many steps ahead is problematic. Try pulling O/Ws from someone who won’t even communicate with you and that is difficult. So I totally get it when somebody who hasn’t even done the Grades reads OTIII and says its nuts. Hell, even R6EW is a bizarre process – but it’s great fun when you get started on it and run it. It’s not something you can intellectually understand by just reading about it.

Solo auditing is in any case difficult for the unprepared because it is done “telepathically”. What you think is important. Imagine auditing a pc and you start the session with the R-factor “Well I know you aren’t really there, you are just a figment of my imagination, but I am going to do this process anyway, even though I know it can’t possibly work because it’s so bloody unbelievable.” Obviously you wouldn’t have much success. Well people evidently try to run OT levels in this frame of mind and then wonder why they don’t succeed!

To answer your original question - do I actually believe in this shit. Unfortunately yes. I’m a professional engineer. When you are told to do this that and the other in order to achieve result X, and you follow the steps and achieve the result X, you then “believe”. It is as simple as that. (In this case the result X is a sub-product – a milestone – not some complete EP like Cleared Theta Clear.)

Well, I’m not sure how this Xenu staff could be rationalized. For example, it appears that 50 million years ago the Loyal Officers and Xenu minions were speaking English. How is that possible? Also, the volcanoes that LRH described did not exist at the time when the thetans were extracted from the victims’ bodies. The implant stations supposedly surrounding the Earth were not detected. How this facts could be explained?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Reading over that 2004 article again on telepathic metering there is very little I would change if I were to re-write it based on my views today. Note my introductory paragraphs in it where I say how I had thought the whole subject was in the batshit category, and what caused me to change my mind.

Because of my prior disbelief, I have no trouble seeing how others won't accept what I say in it.

Paul

I have been audited by Robert Ducharme with the telepathic metering technique. It took me forever to 'get' what he was really going for with the shock technique handling. But I spent money on a dozen Int Rundowns before really 'getting' it either. I am not thick. I can be looney. But there seemed to be a psychic influence in my NOT understanding these things.

This week I was doing some lock scanning of on a series of unconfrontable episodes that came at me__ bang...bang..bang. I realized I was in shock and unprepaired for that much mis-appropriation of effort and loss and consequences. HOW could it have happened. I had to spot the hidden who if any and the SHOCK of it all. As I was locating each of the shocks I went exterior. Hard to explain how this happens in an a split second, but it does. Your space becomes vacated, untenable and their is a definite shift. An exterior shift where an emergency evaluation or imprint is made... also the truth of the INTENTIONS that caused the gross misfortune to manifest. The covert intentions or the hidden who might suddenly become painfully evident. It is a point outside of our experiential shell or our anchors that we are reaching into as we are getting the shock. I can see how Robert Ducharme in running R3X over the phone could connect telepathically in order to do the meterless auditing. When he has you locate the moments of shock you are actually getting the space you temporarily shifted to outside of time/space. If one is chronically orienting and practicing the locating of these 'outside' shifts' I guess you could get good at it. So meterless auditing is tuning into reaching the other person psychically irregardless of time/space and is not a strong consideration for him..

Bob does pick up what your resistence is over the phone. You can't fool him. He knows if you just don't agree with the trek he is on or if you have more charge on something but aren't getting it and want to veer off. He will nip it in the bud.

I have to say that Bob has come across the psychic influencing of the between lives crews and has had many PC reports of forgotten abductions. He considers these crews pretty lame though not ALL. He has agreed that the person themselves has been playing that game or they would not have gotten involved in this sort of charge...and that this is always so.

I guess the things that we decide or get imprinted by when we are knocked instantly 'outside' the realm of our present universe because of a SHOCK are quite powerful. These tend to remain somewhat buried as we settle back in. Rehabbing these points is where you realize you are in constant psychic contact with others players. Their psychic intentions and influences dreams and game plans.

With these shifts due to shock that R3X asks for you get the valence shifts too. You get where you felt unsuccessful at correct evaluation from your present viewpoint and a slight side-stepping occurs. You may orient to a slightly different space in running the body.

There are 7 million MORE viewpoints anchored into controlling a life and bodies on the planet every day. We all strive to win at the game by psychically envisioning and influencing outcomes. Our paths cross and our intentions collide. This has made a difference. The scales are tipping as certain beliefs and certain values pack up on this side of the ledger or that.. We like to ignore psychic influence. It is flakey to concentrate too much on it. But you run a body through your own psychic infulence so as to generate certain outcomes and futures for yourself. Who has played at the poker table without intending what another will throw away or withhold. We all contact each other psychically. We have just agreed that it is not nice to run another's life or psychically intend through their private head space. Or have we. I have noticed more and more lately that the non-interference laws are becoming as lame as our constitution as far as being respected. Something is changing with this flooding of beings and viewpoints into the system. Maybe if we are just compulsively splitting (ourselves) as beings, there are more spiritual neuro type connections.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Well, I’m not sure how this Xenu staff could be rationalized. For example, it appears that 50 million years ago the Loyal Officers and Xenu minions were speaking English. How is that possible? Also, the volcanoes that LRH described did not exist at the time when the thetans were extracted from the victims’ bodies. The implant stations supposedly surrounding the Earth were not detected. How this facts could be explained?

'Cause it's a story that Ron made up, that's how it's explained!

Some people have told me they have wins "doing" this process even in spite of that...
...it's o.k. with me if playing this game helps them, so long as they don't get stuck or trapped doing it, and they are not supporting the criminal enterprise commonly known as COS.

Picasso said, "Art is a lie that reveals truth". I can see how some people might find some of their own truths by studying this or any story (lie).

But there are probably MUCH more worthwhile processes to run, other than Scientology, which would benefit them just as much or more so, which they just don't know about or aren't willing to explore yet...the comfort of the known.

That's the only point I want to make.

And welcome Newbie Ulduz!

 

[Dulloldfart]

I have been audited by Robert Ducharme with the telepathic metering technique. It took me forever to 'get' what he was really going for with the shock technique handling.

My post/article was more about telepathic metering than R3X per se. R3X can be run face to face with the pc holding the cans like in a regular session.

Telepathic metering can be done without using R3X. For example, here is a video in .wmv format of a meter drill ("Consider the events of today") done by Rolf Dane with me as a pc. He got it right, which was quite surprising to me considering how little charge (if any) there was on the item concerned.

I am aware of other auditors using telepathic metering too.

Paul

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

'Cause it's a story that Ron made up, that's how it's explained!

Some people have told me they have wins "doing" this process even in spite of that...
...it's o.k. with me if playing this game helps them, so long as they don't get stuck or trapped doing it, and they are not supporting the criminal enterprise commonly known as COS.

Picasso said, "Art is a lie that reveals truth". I can see how some people might find some of their own truths by studying this or any story (lie).

But there are probably MUCH more worthwhile processes to run, other than Scientology, which would benefit them just as much or more so, which they just don't know about or aren't willing to explore yet...the comfort of the known.

That's the only point I want to make.

And welcome Newbie Ulduz!

Yep, it's not surprising people claim to get 'wins' from auditing Hubbard's Cheesy Science Fiction.

People throughout history have claimed to get 'wins' from various man made religions, most of which are no long in existence because they were just too ridiculous to sustain themselves as knowledge of the universe increased, such is the case with Scientology, but Scientology has even more going against it than most Religions, it makes definitive claims right from 'Book One' were are entirely based on fraud and are intended to serve no one but Hubbard.

Hubbard was too much of a control freak to make anything which could evolve and last.

He was too concerned with being praised for being the "Sole Source of all Knowledge" and in the end he'll be nothing more than an obscure footnote in history filed under con-men of the 20th century ... if that, even laughing at Hubbard's freak show of cult has already ran it's 15 minutes.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

To "believers" in the tech...

I have no problem with the bridge to OT, but I just think each session should be started with 3 r-factors:

* I am not auditing you.

* I am not helping you.

* I am not charging you.​

And when the PC gets ascends to upper Alien-Hunting Levels....

* I am not kidding you. ​

 

[Mystic]

The so-called "highest OT level" is, of course: Laughing at L. Ron Hubbard and any and all Scientology, FreeKzone and sneaky believers.

 

[Feral]

Although the thetan is supposedly capable of recalling every thing on the time track that has been perceived I can only state what I think I "recall" and that is bfore LRH had succumbed to the rigors and rancors of what the SPs had inflicted upon him I have a feint recollection of having seen the grade chart with OT15 on it.

Something about Orders of Magnitude or some such.

Orders of Magnitude.

Now that is big.

Real big.

Maybe even bigger than real big.

We are talking magnitudinous here.

Rd00

On the current grade chart OT IX is "orders of magnitude", OT X is "character".

Then again OT VII is "cause over life" and OT VIII is "truth revealed", just goes to show, you can't always believe what you read!

 

[Hatshepsut]

My post/article was more about telepathic metering than R3X per se. R3X can be run face to face with the pc holding the cans like in a regular session.

Telepathic metering can be done without using R3X. For example, here is a video in .wmv format of a meter drill ("Consider the events of today") done by Rolf Dane with me as a pc. He got it right, which was quite surprising to me considering how little charge (if any) there was on the item concerned.

I am aware of other auditors using telepathic metering too.

Paul

That was interesting! Do you have any links with Ralphs' C meter being used in telepathic auditing?

How do you know whether it is your resistence on a subject or your clients when you are holding the cans? I have resorted to outright asking (myself) and watching the reads. This is sometimes a concern. Intentions and emotions and strong energies read well on the meter. The picture or the ridge draws your attention in when scouting for something to run in another's space but the real needle action comes with the finding what one WANTS or what they are trying to keep from having.

 

[Hatshepsut]

My post/article was more about telepathic metering than R3X per se. R3X can be run face to face with the pc holding the cans like in a regular session.

Telepathic metering can be done without using R3X. For example, here is a video in .wmv format of a meter drill ("Consider the events of today") done by Rolf Dane with me as a pc. He got it right, which was quite surprising to me considering how little charge (if any) there was on the item concerned.

I am aware of other auditors using telepathic metering too.

Paul

That was interesting! Do you have any links with Ralphs' C meter being used in telepathic auditing?

How do you know whether it is your resistence on a subject or your clients when you are holding the cans? I have resorted to outright asking (myself) and watching the reads. This is sometimes a concern. Intentions and emotions and strong energies read well on the meter. The picture draws your attention in when scouting for something to run in another's space but the real needle action comes with the finding what one WANTS or what they are trying to keep from happening

 

[Dulloldfart]

That was interesting! Do you have any links with Ralphs' C meter being used in telepathic auditing?

Nope, sorry.

How do you know whether it is your resistence on a subject or your clients when you are holding the cans?

Dunno! Try it and see. Note that in Rolf's video the sensitivity is at max and the needle is dancing all over the place. If you turn the sound off and try and find the duplicate read it's very difficult. But in that example Rolf did it right first time.

In the auditing I got from Robert in over 60 hours he didn't miscall a read once. Not once. We're talking about several reads a session. Last time I checked he was using a (mechanical) Clarity meter at high sensitivity. I have a similar Clarity meter and when I cranked it up to high sensitivity the needle was all over the place. Robert says it's a question of maintaining a neutral attitude to the pc and his/her case. The couple of times I tried it while giving someone an R3X session over the phone I couldn't tell who was reading on the meter. It didn't make any difference to the session as I hadn't told the pc about the meter, and I wasn't depending on the reads for anything, just trying it out.

But let's look at the underlying reality of the situation. I'll use Scn lingo so the non-Scio readers can ignore our delusions as to what is going on. The pc reacts to something and something changes in his mind — some mass shifts in his bank, a scio would say. The remote auditor picks this up. The auditor's reaction to this causes the meter he is connected to to read. The remote pc is only reading on the auditor's meter through the via of the auditor's person ("person" includes the auditor's body, mind, thetan, aura, body electronics, whatever — the whole enchilada). Somewhere in there is the auditor's awareness too. Visible to anyone watching the needle, either at the time or in a video, is the movement of the needle. What is not visible to anyone watching the video is the auditor's awareness at the time. I think what is happening is that on some level an expert (at remote metering) auditor is aware of picking up the impingement of the pc's mental mass [read] or the dissipation thereof [F/N] and calls *that*, whatever the needle happens to be doing.

So the meter is reading on the auditor's reaction to what is going on with the pc, and that is what the auditor is calling, although he says to himself (maybe) that it is reading on the pc directly.

And yeah, yeah, it's all impossible or the Amazing Randi would have paid out the million bucks by now, so if someone wants to post that don't bother.

Paul

 

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

Telepathic metering can be done without using R3X. For example, here is a video in .wmv format of a meter drill ("Consider the events of today") done by Rolf Dane with me as a pc. He got it right, which was quite surprising to me considering how little charge (if any) there was on the item concerned.

If I'm reading the display correctly the TA was up at 5.4 which is unpleasantly high , even on solo cans. The needle was all over the place - is the sensitivity 40? The action/reaction he took was remarkably small given the movement in the needle. I certainly wouldn't have been happy calling that.

 

[Dulloldfart]

If I'm reading the display correctly the TA was up at 5.4 which is unpleasantly high , even on solo cans. The needle was all over the place - is the sensitivity 40? The action/reaction he took was remarkably small given the movement in the needle. I certainly wouldn't have been happy calling that.

Yup. 40. If I had to call it from the video alone, I wouldn't have done so either. But see my post above. I edited it recently, so it may have changed since you first read it.

As for the high TA, maybe it's a requirement for such remote metering. If the auditor's own needle is flopping all over the dial at TA 2.5, it would be very hard to see minute reads in there.

Paul