Carmelo,
Your “Eight Miles High’ post is a stunner…’tis been brewin’ in me rumen most of the day.
So, how’s it you knows just what’s gonna give Ole Face here the right stuff at the perfect moment?:confused2:
Man, whatta yiddisher kop…zay gezundt, ya mentsh!
Face
a great city/town then and, I'm sure now.
Hey Lakey and friends - I also wore the slide rule (and sly drool) - just that ya forgot the plastic pocket protector to hold yer writing instruments and drafting pencil! :wink2:
And for the girl's apparel, did ya purposely leave out that wrist-numbing item the "panty girdle" ... :confused2:
I got my engineering degree (Mechanical) in '64, btw, from Vanderbilt in Nashville Tennessee
You have, to my mind, ear and eye, accurately described the scene and I appreciate all your posts very much.
I'll save the "ramble" for another time and review some things first - but I want to explore something that someone posted earlier to the effect that most couples getting married were not up to dealing with the "freedoms" of marriage and thus failed at "creating" desirable or wanted "futures"...
Not sure that I got it quite right - but that concept hit me like a ton of bricks as totally applicable to my first, troubled, marriage; and I have been realigning a whole lot of hitherto unresolved things in my universe positively since that post.
(hows that for saying big "wins" and "cogs" without scn jargon?)
Keep on keepin' on!
Mike Horton
EP
"Originally Posted by Ted
One observation is that a little bit of auditing often begets additional need for auditing. You will hear the registrars and tech personnel say that "Your next level is keying in," "Clears are at risk," and so on. A flow 1 can stimulate the need for a flow 2. This is all positioned as necessary to clearing the bank."
Yeah, by CLEARING out the PC's Bank Account!!!
I'm sorry, I just HAD to say it!!!
Will likely chime in from time to time, if and when I believe I've something worthwhile to contribute.
Welcome aboard Gary; long time no see
Zinj
Hello all,
After several days of lurking and reading, I've finally reached 'PT' on this thread. I began reading it because, as a long-time scientologist, I had some interest in "The old days" and, having never been on the Apollo, was curious.
Then I learned the thread originator, Lakey, had been at CC while I was staff there and I became even more interested as that story began to unfold. As Lakey named names from the 'old days' at CC, I was reminded of people that I hadn't thought of in decades.
And, like Topsy, the thread just grew. Perhaps unlike Topsy, the thread grew on me. It somehow became important to see who else would post, what new information would be presented, what additional viewpoint would be revealed.
I was often tempted to post in response to one comment or another but I realized that post would appear -- way 'up' the track -- and would likely be 'stale-dated' to everyone's eyes but mine. Instead of posting, I PM'd a few people and discovered that there were several here whom I already knew and was currently or had been in comm with. Cool!
I post 'uncovered' as I never even approached the confidential levels nor have I held a post so sensitive that I could reasonably expect to be a worthwhile target of the Church. I am "too little," I think, to be worth the trouble, especially given what's already out there to trouble them.
I'll keep this thread on my "must read" list until it burns out or I do.
Before I go, I have one observation re. the comments about Bashers. I believe there are only a few types: those who've never been 'in' and those who were in but never had case gain or who, for any of a multitude of possible reasons, have chosen to 'not is' those gains. "Make less of," perhaps.
Without personal experience of the gains possible from the application of scientology tech, we who claim those gains must appear as self-deluded as the 'victims' of any other cult. "Wake UP!" "Get real!" "Get over it!" What the bashers fail to comprehend is that -- something happened to us that was too extra-ordinary to "get over."
Our lives were fundamentally changed in some aspect which we identify as positive and very worthwhile. You don't, "get over" that. Even as we recognize the aspects in which we were conned or deluded (and boy, can that take some doing) we yet refuse to "throw the baby out with the bathwater." Something happened; something marvelous. And we refuse to deny that even while we may be unable to explain it or adequately communicate it.
It appears that some, perhaps a small, part of the Freezone tends knowingly or unknowingly to perpetuate a fraud. Bad cess on that.
More often, I think, we are trying to sort out what worked, what did not, and why.
It remains possible that, perhaps many years from now, we will learn that all 'phenomena' which we consider extraordinary has a perfectly ordinary, non-spiritual, explanation and can be produced at will by physicists, psychologists, and the like. If that happens and that constitutes the truth, I like to believe I'd buy that.
Until then, most of us, one time or another, answered affirmatively a statement that read something like, "Would you like for others to achieve the same gains you have made?" Well yeah. Still would. And still, I hope to make more.
Best regards,
G.
Gary F. York
Very nice opening post and introduction. There's some very good stuff in your post I'll comment on a little later.
Your bell rings clear (no pun intended) so please chime away whenever you wish.
Face
Hello all,
After several days of lurking and reading, I've finally reached 'PT' on this thread. I began reading it because, as a long-time scientologist, I had some interest in "The old days" and, having never been on the Apollo, was curious.
Then I learned the thread originator, Lakey, had been at CC while I was staff there and I became even more interested as that story began to unfold. As Lakey named names from the 'old days' at CC, I was reminded of people that I hadn't thought of in decades.
And, like Topsy, the thread just grew. Perhaps unlike Topsy, the thread grew on me. It somehow became important to see who else would post, what new information would be presented, what additional viewpoint would be revealed.
I was often tempted to post in response to one comment or another but I realized that post would appear -- way 'up' the track -- and would likely be 'stale-dated' to everyone's eyes but mine. Instead of posting, I PM'd a few people and discovered that there were several here whom I already knew and was currently or had been in comm with. Cool!
I post 'uncovered' as I never even approached the confidential levels nor have I held a post so sensitive that I could reasonably expect to be a worthwhile target of the Church. I am "too little," I think, to be worth the trouble, especially given what's already out there to trouble them.
I'll keep this thread on my "must read" list until it burns out or I do.
Before I go, I have one observation re. the comments about Bashers. I believe there are only a few types: those who've never been 'in' and those who were in but never had case gain or who, for any of a multitude of possible reasons, have chosen to 'not is' those gains. "Make less of," perhaps.
Without personal experience of the gains possible from the application of scientology tech, we who claim those gains must appear as self-deluded as the 'victims' of any other cult. "Wake UP!" "Get real!" "Get over it!" What the bashers fail to comprehend is that -- something happened to us that was too extra-ordinary to "get over."
Gary - The above 2 paragraphs are excellent. The one directly above is beautiful prose. You say it so well, "just as many notes as are required!, neither more nor less."
Our lives were fundamentally changed in some aspect which we identify as positive and very worthwhile. You don't, "get over" that. Even as we recognize the aspects in which we were conned or deluded (and boy, can that take some doing) we yet refuse to "throw the baby out with the bathwater." Something happened; something marvelous. And we refuse to deny that even while we may be unable to explain it or adequately communicate it.
It appears that some, perhaps a small, part of the Freezone tends knowingly or unknowingly to perpetuate a fraud. Bad cess on that.
More often, I think, we are trying to sort out what worked, what did not, and why.
It remains possible that, perhaps many years from now, we will learn that all 'phenomena' which we consider extraordinary has a perfectly ordinary, non-spiritual, explanation and can be produced at will by physicists, psychologists, and the like. If that happens and that constitutes the truth, I like to believe I'd buy that.
Until then, most of us, one time or another, answered affirmatively a statement that read something like, "Would you like for others to achieve the same gains you have made?" Well yeah. Still would. And still, I hope to make more.
Best regards,
G.
Gary F. York
Hello all,
After several days of lurking and reading, I've finally reached 'PT' on this thread. I began reading it because, as a long-time scientologist, I had some interest in "The old days" and, having never been on the Apollo, was curious.
Then I learned the thread originator, Lakey, had been at CC while I was staff there and I became even more interested as that story began to unfold. As Lakey named names from the 'old days' at CC, I was reminded of people that I hadn't thought of in decades.
And, like Topsy, the thread just grew. Perhaps unlike Topsy, the thread grew on me. It somehow became important to see who else would post, what new information would be presented, what additional viewpoint would be revealed.
I was often tempted to post in response to one comment or another but I realized that post would appear -- way 'up' the track -- and would likely be 'stale-dated' to everyone's eyes but mine. Instead of posting, I PM'd a few people and discovered that there were several here whom I already knew and was currently or had been in comm with. Cool!
I post 'uncovered' as I never even approached the confidential levels nor have I held a post so sensitive that I could reasonably expect to be a worthwhile target of the Church. I am "too little," I think, to be worth the trouble, especially given what's already out there to trouble them.
I'll keep this thread on my "must read" list until it burns out or I do.
Before I go, I have one observation re. the comments about Bashers. I believe there are only a few types: those who've never been 'in' and those who were in but never had case gain or who, for any of a multitude of possible reasons, have chosen to 'not is' those gains. "Make less of," perhaps.
Without personal experience of the gains possible from the application of scientology tech, we who claim those gains must appear as self-deluded as the 'victims' of any other cult. "Wake UP!" "Get real!" "Get over it!" What the bashers fail to comprehend is that -- something happened to us that was too extra-ordinary to "get over."
Our lives were fundamentally changed in some aspect which we identify as positive and very worthwhile. You don't, "get over" that. Even as we recognize the aspects in which we were conned or deluded (and boy, can that take some doing) we yet refuse to "throw the baby out with the bathwater." Something happened; something marvelous. And we refuse to deny that even while we may be unable to explain it or adequately communicate it.
It appears that some, perhaps a small, part of the Freezone tends knowingly or unknowingly to perpetuate a fraud. Bad cess on that.
More often, I think, we are trying to sort out what worked, what did not, and why.
It remains possible that, perhaps many years from now, we will learn that all 'phenomena' which we consider extraordinary has a perfectly ordinary, non-spiritual, explanation and can be produced at will by physicists, psychologists, and the like. If that happens and that constitutes the truth, I like to believe I'd buy that.
Until then, most of us, one time or another, answered affirmatively a statement that read something like, "Would you like for others to achieve the same gains you have made?" Well yeah. Still would. And still, I hope to make more.
Best regards,
G.
Gary F. York
(None of these smilies seem to have an image of a small slender snake with a mountain in it's middle.) "That! That!"
Well thanks!
And I hereby chastise you for your extreme negligence in failing to point me in this direction much sooner. Now I've gotta go back and read all the other posts you've made on various threads here. And I'm already FULL.
For instance, throughout all our comm over the years, I failed to note that you'd once had a center or that you'd been personally at the mission-holder meetings that have proved so pertinent. Good lord! What else have I missed? I nearly feel like I should have you on the cans and ask, "Is that all of the withhold?"
Grumble.
Well. If there is anything in particular you feel I should know about, feel free to send me links.
Best,
G.
