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Terril park

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T,

The effectiveness of any "cookie-cutter" is dependent on its design and the integrity, honesty and level of brilliance or lack thereof of the designer and creator.

In the case of the tech of the CofS, we have a creator who is a proven liar and fraud who demonstrably only ever did things in a superficial half-arsed way to suit his own agenda.

So, of course, his cookie-cutter system is very much lacking, if not grievously flawed.

Though on the other hand, it does contain some stuff that is shown to be beneficial . . . the trick is in being smart enough to use what's good brilliantly.

The tragedy is that some of us had had to go "all the way" through the confidential levels to find out what was actually good and what was so really bad and dangerous.

RogerB

You and Alan, and others stand on his shoulders.

As should be.

You know anyone who designed a better "cookie cutter" program?

That others may improve such is the way of life. That others may
screw it up is also.

LRHs personable foibles are irrelevent to his work.

So he's a fraud, thus you ignore TRs?
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Good stuff re: Stats Leon, Lakey and Enthetan. :thumbsup:

The 2:00 OM Thursday madness used to blow my mind. It was obvious that it was not only destructive to the Staffs and Orgs but also created a tremendously strained and wasteful relationship with the Public that inhibited synergy developing within the Scn Empire.

The deleterious effects of artificially compressed time from the Stat “Management” System and the inherent ongoing Stat Pushing was only exacerbated by the introduction of the “Conditions: Rewards and Penances” PL’s. I actually think that there are some good things in the Conditions Formulas but, overall, it is a flawed system that was implemented, operated and enforced by inept—at best— Senior “Management”.

Oh, by the way Lakey…El Ron’s personal Auditor in the early ‘70’s was Paulette Ausley…I don’t know what ever happened to her. If she is “out” she would, if willing, be a fountain of interesting and important information.

Face:)
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
The 2:00 OM Thursday madness used to blow my mind. It was obvious that it was not only destructive to the Staffs and Orgs but also created a tremendously strained and wasteful relationship with the Public that inhibited synergy developing within the Scn Empire.
I could tell the point where I was mostly mentally out. It was when my wife was giving birth to our third kid. I noticed it was 1:30 in the afternoon, so as she was pushing I whispered in her ear "Come on! Get the stat!" and we were both cracking up.

The deleterious effects of artificially compressed time from the Stat “Management” System and the inherent ongoing Stat Pushing was only exacerbated by the introduction of the “Conditions: Rewards and Penances” PL’s. I actually think that there are some good things in the Conditions Formulas but, overall, it is a flawed system that was implemented, operated and enforced by inept—at best— Senior “Management”.
The lower conditions were a mind control device. When you think about it objectively, how could an honest person conceivably argue that somebody who was effectively an unpaid volunteer was out-ethics for not doing more?

Oh, by the way Lakey…El Ron’s personal Auditor in the early ‘70’s was Paulette Ausley…I don’t know what ever happened to her. If she is “out” she would, if willing, be a fountain of interesting and important information.

Face:)

I would be surprised if she was still alive, for exactly that reason.
 

Leon

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Lucy Milczarek also was his auditor up to early '71. Then one morning "surprize surprize" there she was wearing dirty overalls while chipping paint. Not sure who took over from her.
 

lkwdblds

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Good stuff re: Stats Leon, Lakey and Enthetan. :thumbsup:

The 2:00 OM Thursday madness used to blow my mind. It was obvious that it was not only destructive to the Staffs and Orgs but also created a tremendously strained and wasteful relationship with the Public that inhibited synergy developing within the Scn Empire.

The deleterious effects of artificially compressed time from the Stat “Management” System and the inherent ongoing Stat Pushing was only exacerbated by the introduction of the “Conditions: Rewards and Penances” PL’s. I actually think that there are some good things in the Conditions Formulas but, overall, it is a flawed system that was implemented, operated and enforced by inept—at best— Senior “Management”.

Oh, by the way Lakey…El Ron’s personal Auditor in the early ‘70’s was Paulette Ausley…I don’t know what ever happened to her. If she is “out” she would, if willing, be a fountain of interesting and important information.

Face:)

I agree with everything which you have said Face. Also, I know who Paulette Ausley is, I believe she was Paulette Cohen prior to Paulette Ausley. I had a session of two from her at CCLA. I think that I was receiving a session from a lower classed auditor and either int-ext went out on me or I had been given someone else's item or something like that and my auditor was not trained enough to handle that and so Paulette was brought in to get me to F/N so my other auditor could complete his session.

Probably, I was getting a session from Kenny Lipton , who was a Dianetic Interne but could not audit Scientology processes or do repair lists and when something rent out on me, he stopped the session and went and got Paulette to handle things and then Kenny resumed the session.

Paulette had been assigned to audit my brother who was sort of messed up emotionally but who was also very aware. Paulette audited me more than once, either two or three times and they were always repair type actions designed to set me up for my regular lower classed auditor. Paulette was a very happy go lucky unassuming Jewish girl who knew a lot about Jewish humor. My brother used to tell her jokes before, during and after sessions. She loved it and loved auditing him. She told me that she loved running him on past life incidents. He was so funny and she learned so much; she said they were "going places" together. I believe she was sent from the Apollo to CCLA for a short stint, then to ASHO for a short stint and then she was gone, probably back to Flag.
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Even though we worked almost free, that was no excuse to slough off

I could tell the point where I was mostly mentally out. It was when my wife was giving birth to our third kid. I noticed it was 1:30 in the afternoon, so as she was pushing I whispered in her ear "Come on! Get the stat!" and we were both cracking up.


The lower conditions were a mind control device. When you think about it objectively, how could an honest person conceivably argue that somebody who was effectively an unpaid volunteer was out-ethics for not doing more?

Oh, I don't agree with you on this point. I went from $325 a week at IBM in 1971 to $10 a week for the Sea Org. It wasn't the money that motivated me or others whom I knew. We had pride and figured we owed it to LRH to work flat out for him and not make mistakes. If we did something wrong, most of us were quite contrite when we made an error and were very anxious to be corrected. We were willing to do any honest ammends to make things right.

I would be surprised if she was still alive, for exactly that reason.

Paulette was about 5 years younger than me which would put her in her mid 60's now. I would be surprised if she were not still living. She was a real survivor type. She had that spirit of play and bubbly light hearted personality. She was very highly technically trained. Such people tend to have long lives.
Lakey
 
And now...on a more upbeat note...for all those do-gooders out there!

From December Oprah magazine:

"Our Sense of Fairness is biological
Scientists at the California Institute of Technology gave 20 pairs of men $30 each and awarded one of them a bonus of $50. Using MRI, they looked at the lucky guy's brain while they asked him how he'd feel if another $50 went to him or to his partner in the experiment. When he considered it going to his partner, his brain's reward centers lit up:equality outweighed his own self-interest. In what can seem like a dog eat cat world, it's heartening to know we're all at least wired for goodness." :angel:

:D :heartbeat: :kiss:
 
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FoTi

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That's interesting!
 
A Freezone Academy Graduation

I had occasion to attend a graduation party at a freezone academy this weekend.
I won't go into specifics as I don't know to what degree the academy wishes to
be "publicised", however I was quite pleased to see a goodly number of highly
intelligent & enthusiastic young people who were happily progressing in their
studies without fear or encumbrance. It's good to see the actual subject of
scientology still being promulgated and new scientologists having fun & winning
in a genuinely free & happy environment.

It reminded me of my own time spent years back at the old SOC mission and of the
stories I've heard about other missions in the old mission network. It was a
truly a thing of beauty and did my cynical heart good.


Mark A. Baker
 
T,

The effectiveness of any "cookie-cutter" is dependent on its design and the integrity, honesty and level of brilliance or lack thereof of the designer and creator.

In the case of the tech of the CofS, we have a creator who is a proven liar and fraud who demonstrably only ever did things in a superficial half-arsed way to suit his own agenda.

So, of course, his cookie-cutter system is very much lacking, if not grievously flawed.

Though on the other hand, it does contain some stuff that is shown to be beneficial . . . the trick is in being smart enough to use what's good brilliantly.

Your the "techie", Rog, not I, but I do tend to think that the grades can be a big help as a sort of "general cleanup" of extraneous crap in the present environment. I also personally benefited tremendously from "life repair", objectives, and the HRD. In short, I think much of the so-called "lower bridge" can serve as an excellent basis for a person's own spiritual development and starting place for expansion of one's own interests.

The main thing to be wary of is that tendency, which is so prevalent among church scientologists, to regard this material as "The Only Way" and as "The Complete & Ultimate Truth". However, approached with an open perspective and a willingness to try these techniques have much to recommend them as demonstrated by the many thousands who have in the past received great benefit from auditing on them.


The tragedy is that some of us had had to go "all the way" through the confidential levels to find out what was actually good and what was so really bad and dangerous.

RogerB

Agreed. And that tragedy was the direct result of the church's intolerance of any attempt at open dialog or questioning.


Mark A. Baker
 

Ted

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Thought For The Day

Just because a being (person, man, woman, child, butcher, baker, candlestick maker, auditor, C/S, preclear, and so on...)...

Just because a being does not perceive something (someone, terminal, condition, any person, place, or thing, corporeal or incorporeal)...

Just because a being does not perceive something, it does not mean that something does not exist.

Something to consider when arguing, debating, marketing, selling, educating, auditing, or when otherwise trying to make a point or effectively communicate.
 

nexus100

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Just because a being (person, man, woman, child, butcher, baker, candlestick maker, auditor, C/S, preclear, and so on...)...

Just because a being does not perceive something (someone, terminal, condition, any person, place, or thing, corporeal or incorporeal)...

Just because a being does not perceive something, it does not mean that something does not exist.

Something to consider when arguing, debating, marketing, selling, educating, auditing, or when otherwise trying to make a point or effectively communicate.

Or even when understanding.

We aren't beings, my opinion, but I see your point.
 
AP-Petside.com poll: Pets make cut on family trips


By SUE MANNING, Associated Press – Tue Nov 23, 7:02 am ET
LOS ANGELES – When the Eubank family plans a trip, airplanes are usually out of the question. That's because the family's oversized dogs — a Great Dane and a pointer — are coming, too.

"Our dogs are part of the family. That's why they go everywhere we go," said Mike Eubank, 51, of Overland Park, Kan., who piles the dogs, his wife and three kids into a motorhome for trips to a lake where Eubank keeps a boat.
Nearly a quarter of pet owners have taken a vacation with their animals in the last two years, according to an Associated Press-Petside.com poll conducted by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications.
Seventy-five percent found the trip more enjoyable than stressful.
Randall Balmer, 56, of Woodbury, Conn., considers the best part of his vacations playing with his 12-year-old yellow Lab, throwing rocks and watching Dakota chase them.

The worst part? Watching Dakota get wet, then get in the car.
"He's just kind of part of the family. We like to have him with us," Balmer said, even if Dakota is getting too old for the trips.

Although more hotel chains now allow pets, 70 percent of those who vacationed with their pets recently said they have stayed with relatives, 55 percent with friends and 52 percent in a hotel. Four in 10 said they have taken their pet to a campsite and 34 percent took an RV trip.

Dog owners (31 percent) were more apt than cat owners (19 percent) to bring their pets along, and among those who have only cats, only 7 percent included them in trips.

Karen Miles, 66, of Altoona, Wis., takes both. Fletcher, a pug-dachshund mix, and Snuffleupagus, a Himalayan cat, make the trip when she and her family hook up their trailer and go camping or visiting, usually about twice a month. Both pets travel well and just need bowls, food, toys and a litter box for Snuffy, Miles said.

Most of those who have had a good experience traveling with their pet plan to do it again. But such dedicated pet-vacationers are a rare breed: Just 22 percent of all pet owners said they were extremely or very likely to include their pet in a future vacation. Seventy-four percent of cat owners said they were not at all likely to take their pet along.

Hotels and campgrounds have changed a lot in the last five or 10 years, so that traveling with pets can be as luxurious as any owner wants it.
At The Peninsula Beverly Hills, dogs are treated to ultrasuede beds, a monogrammed towel, a bowl, designer water and Iams dog food, spokeswoman Sharon Boorstin said. A bellman will walk your dog, sit your dog or arrange a massage, training, grooming, transportation or appointment with a vet.

There is also a room service doggie menu that includes an aperitif called a "tail shakin' not stirred martini" and a disclaimer: "No hooch for your pooch." (The martini uses beef bullion.)

Based on registration forms, between 55 percent and 60 percent of campers at Kampgrounds of America Inc., the largest network of campgrounds in North America, travel with pets, said spokesman Mike Gast. That's up from around 45 percent eight years ago.

"Pets are something people aren't willing any more to leave home without," he said.
Peter Furgis, 74, of West Jordan, Utah, said trips are more fun with his dog Charlie, "just like everything else is more enjoyable."

Furgis has a cabin in Wyoming and heads there often with Charlie, a 6-year-old Yorkshire Terrier. But he concedes his travels with Charlie aren't always easy.

"Last time I went it was in July and quite hot," Furgis said. "It was quite inconvenient. I couldn't leave him in the truck and we had to stop at drive-ins to eat. We were both hot."

Traveling with Hercules, a mixed Pekinese and poodle, added some stress to Vickie Lojek's last car trip because she wanted to impress her in-laws and it required a bit more coordination and time.

Lojek, of Richmond, Va., wanted Hercules to be a compatible guest, not a "barking knucklehead."

In the end, Hercules was a big hit with all three generations at the family reunion and he'll be more than welcome on the family's next trip, Lojek said.
The AP-Petside.com Poll was conducted October 13-20, 2010, by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. It involved landline and cell phone interviews with 1,000 pet owners nationwide, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.0 percentage points.
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Deputy Director of Polling Jennifer Agiesta contributed to this report.
 
Some Pigs Are More Equal Than Other Pigs

TSA: Some gov't officials to skip airport security

By EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press – Tue Nov 23, 9:31 pm ET
WASHINGTON – Cabinet secretaries, top congressional leaders and an exclusive group of senior U.S. officials are exempt from toughened new airport screening procedures when they fly commercially with government-approved federal security details.

Aviation security officials would not name those who can skip the controversial screening, but other officials said those VIPs range from top officials like Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and FBI Director Robert Mueller to congressional leaders like incoming House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, who avoided security before a recent flight from Washington's Reagan National Airport.

The heightened new security procedures by the Transportation Security Administration, which involve either a scan by a full-body detector or an intimate personal pat-down, have spurred passenger outrage in the lead-up to the Thanksgiving holiday airport crush.

On Friday, the TSA exempted pilots from the new procedures; flight attendants received the same privilege on Tuesday, TSA spokesman Nicholas Kimball confirmed. Both groups must show photo ID and go through metal detectors. If that sets off an alarm, they may still get a pat-down in some cases, he said. The rules apply to pilots and flight attendants in uniform when they're traveling.

While passengers have no choice but to submit to either the detector or what some complain is an intrusive pat-down, some senior government officials can opt out if they fly accompanied by government security guards approved by the TSA.

"Government officials traveling with federal law enforcement security details are screened at airports under a specialized screening protocol, which includes identity verification," Kimball said. This allows the officials to skip the airport security checkpoints.

The TSA would not explain why it makes these exceptions. But many of the exempted government officials have gone through several levels of security clearances, including FBI background checks. Armed security details eliminate the need for an additional layer of security at airports.
Some members of President Barack Obama's Cabinet, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, travel almost exclusively on government or military planes.
Top officials like Geithner, Mueller and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid travel with security details and skip airport checkpoints, aides said. The second-ranking Senate Democrat, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, and the House Democratic whip, Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, also have security, but they typically undergo regular screening with other passengers, aides said.

Spokesmen for both Boehner and current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., would not discuss security arrangements. But under a policy started by the Bush administration after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a military aircraft is made available to the speaker, third in line to the presidency, for all official flight needs.

Spokesmen for Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, incoming House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia and outgoing House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland said they fly commercial, but would not detail security arrangements.

Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Terrance Gainer said the only members of Congress with protective details are leaders, "based upon a threat analysis" conducted by the U.S. Capitol Police. Gainer added that members "with sworn protection" are able to avoid security because "their secure posture is affirmed by the law enforcement process established by TSA."

The TSA's administrator, John Pistole, is treated like any other traveler when he flies, waiting in security lines and walking through X-ray machines, including the full-body imagers, his spokesman said. Senior White House officials David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett and John Brennan, the president's homeland security adviser, do the same, officials said.
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Associated Press writers Laurie Kellman, Martin Crutsinger, Pete Yost and Larry Margasak contributed to this report.
 

LongTimeGone

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Does anyone remember a story about the Apollo when the crew couldn't figure out how to stop a diesel moter (generator or pump or something) that was sitting on the deck and they were all stunned by his ability to just walk up and stop it?
Says more to me about the crew's incompetence than Hubbard's genius.
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