The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[CarmeloOrchards]

There is something happening here, and you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Jones?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN07a7rh2mY


I didn't even see 400,000 views on this thread come and go.


April 300,000

July 400,000.

The views aren't about the current state of the thread. The hits have to be coming from lots of people reading the thread from beginning to current.

When this thread was gathering momentum. 10,000 views was remarkable.

Times have changed.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

went to a memorial for our oldest grand daughter yesterday. She had finished nursing school in June. Was coming home with her boy friend on their motorcycle, and a drunk driver killed them both.

This happened in North Carolina. Her parents did a fancy funeral there with casket and all, everybody somber and wearing god fearing church clothing.

On the left coast, all the family and friends here came to celebration of their lives. Dogs walked around freely. Blue jeans, t shirts, and shorts were common.

Catering was from a local Japanese restaurant. Barbequed beef and eel were served, but I think the sushi stole the show, food wise.

All the usual suspects were there.

Stories were told. I've cried a lot, but the gathering was very healing.

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

went to a memorial for our oldest grand daughter yesterday. She had finished nursing school in June. Was coming home with her boy friend on their motorcycle, and a drunk driver killed them both.

This happened in North Carolina. Her parents did a fancy funeral there with casket and all, everybody somber and wearing god fearing church clothing.

On the left coast, all the family and friends here came to celebration of their lives. Dogs walked around freely. Blue jeans, t shirts, and shorts were common.

Catering was from a local Japanese restaurant. Barbequed beef and eel were served, but I think the sushi stole the show, food wise.

All the usual suspects were there.

Stories were told. I've cried a lot, but the gathering was very healing.

I cried some just reading this.

EP, Mike Horton

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

went to a memorial for our oldest grand daughter yesterday. She had finished nursing school in June. Was coming home with her boy friend on their motorcycle, and a drunk driver killed them both.

This happened in North Carolina. Her parents did a fancy funeral there with casket and all, everybody somber and wearing god fearing church clothing.

On the left coast, all the family and friends here came to celebration of their lives. Dogs walked around freely. Blue jeans, t shirts, and shorts were common.

Catering was from a local Japanese restaurant. Barbequed beef and eel were served, but I think the sushi stole the show, food wise.

All the usual suspects were there.

Stories were told. I've cried a lot, but the gathering was very healing.

So sorry to hear that. So sorry.

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

went to a memorial for our oldest grand daughter yesterday. She had finished nursing school in June. Was coming home with her boy friend on their motorcycle, and a drunk driver killed them both.

This happened in North Carolina. Her parents did a fancy funeral there with casket and all, everybody somber and wearing god fearing church clothing.

On the left coast, all the family and friends here came to celebration of their lives. Dogs walked around freely. Blue jeans, t shirts, and shorts were common.

Catering was from a local Japanese restaurant. Barbequed beef and eel were served, but I think the sushi stole the show, food wise.

All the usual suspects were there.

Stories were told. I've cried a lot, but the gathering was very healing.

I have said what I had to say on this. The whole thing just sucks in a mighty big way.

In CoS people toss a few platitudes in your direction as if they know WTF, then everyone goes back to making their stats. But, only a real person--basically a real spirit--could know the hurt that such an event entails.

A celebration of life is more gooder than a funeral. What else can I say?

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

went to a memorial for our oldest grand daughter yesterday. She had finished nursing school in June. Was coming home with her boy friend on their motorcycle, and a drunk driver killed them both.

This happened in North Carolina. Her parents did a fancy funeral there with casket and all, everybody somber and wearing god fearing church clothing.

On the left coast, all the family and friends here came to celebration of their lives. Dogs walked around freely. Blue jeans, t shirts, and shorts were common.

Catering was from a local Japanese restaurant. Barbequed beef and eel were served, but I think the sushi stole the show, food wise.

All the usual suspects were there.

Stories were told. I've cried a lot, but the gathering was very healing.

I am so very, very sorry to hear this Carmelo.


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[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

went to a memorial for our oldest grand daughter yesterday. She had finished nursing school in June. Was coming home with her boy friend on their motorcycle, and a drunk driver killed them both.

This happened in North Carolina. Her parents did a fancy funeral there with casket and all, everybody somber and wearing god fearing church clothing.

On the left coast, all the family and friends here came to celebration of their lives. Dogs walked around freely. Blue jeans, t shirts, and shorts were common.

Catering was from a local Japanese restaurant. Barbequed beef and eel were served, but I think the sushi stole the show, food wise.

All the usual suspects were there.

Stories were told. I've cried a lot, but the gathering was very healing.

This is so very sad. I'm so sorry this happened to your family.

A celebration of life is better than a funeral. I'm glad you could do that.

Thank you for sharing your life with us.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Carmelo,
I am so very, very sorry about the tragic death of your grand daughter. I wish there was something I could say which would give you consolation.

Not really being able to say much, I feel good that you have a large family of very able and aware spiritual beings and supporting one another through this tragedy must be giving you some consolation.

Besides your family, you have a large body of loyal friends, and speaking as one of them, my thoughts are with you, your grand daughter and your entire family as you support each other through this difficult time.
Gary Hart

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

went to a memorial for our oldest grand daughter yesterday. She had finished nursing school in June. Was coming home with her boy friend on their motorcycle, and a drunk driver killed them both.

This happened in North Carolina. Her parents did a fancy funeral there with casket and all, everybody somber and wearing god fearing church clothing.

On the left coast, all the family and friends here came to celebration of their lives. Dogs walked around freely. Blue jeans, t shirts, and shorts were common.

Catering was from a local Japanese restaurant. Barbequed beef and eel were served, but I think the sushi stole the show, food wise.

All the usual suspects were there.

Stories were told. I've cried a lot, but the gathering was very healing.

Oh my gosh. I am so very sorry for your loss.

 

[lkwdblds]

An LRH quote from the early 1950's which sheds some light on his MO

AN LRH QUOTE I HAD NEVER READ BEFORE - A CLUE AS TO WHY HE HAD NO TROUBLE TRASHING THOSE WHO WORKED FOR HIM?

This morning I received by Email the following LRH quote, taken from the Philadelphia Doctorate Series. I have listened to the PDC lectures two times and do not remember hearing this quote spoken.

" "A person has to be willing to have and willing to lose before he can completely be. He must be willing to hate and be hated, leave and be left before he can love...

You have to be able to want this whole universe, to be hated by this whole universe, to be smashed by this universe and to smash it -- you have to be willing to -- before you could control it; really even before you could really desire it. And that desire must be a thing that you can monitor too. You must be able to desire and not-desire at will."

-- LRH, PDC #47, SOP: ISSUE 5, 15 December 1952

Read this LRH quote carefully and consider what he is actually saying. Had I heard this at my intro lecture, I am pretty sure that I would not have signed up. More likely, I would have made a bee line for the exit.

Now, 41 years later, 31 of which were spent in C of S accepting everything LRH stated as the absolute gospel, I find myself in disagreement with this quote of his in its entirety.

When I read these comments now, they bring down my spirits (or tone level). I feel depressed. Reading something from Buddha or the Dalai Lama has just the opposite feeling, making one feel more alive.

This quote sheds a lot of light on Hubbard's behavior - the way he treated his wives, his family children, his staff, governments and their laws and all people who tried to impose a degree of control on him.

The only one's whom he did not treat in this manner were his public. He probably knew full well, that these words would not resonate with them. Only after they signed up with him and were under his control could he apply these tenets.

Once in a while, if a person wanted to go off and do their own thing and asked Hubbard's permission, he would give them their freedom. The only person I know of who actually pulled this off was Purple Haze.

Hubbard never had anything to good to say about the physical universe. Numerous times he discouraged his followers from finding beauty in things such as a beautiful sunset, flowers, butterflies, incredible landscapes, seascapes, mountains and lakes. He never missed an opportunity to discourage his followers from speaking eloquently about these beautiful phenomena in the natural world. This always annoyed me, even when I was totally committed to his cause.

Someone from C of S sent me this quote by email this morning and to me it was a real eye opener on why Hubbard lived the way he did and what it was about him that caused so many to leave his "Church".
Lakey

 

[Ted]

Re: An LRH quote from the early 1950's which sheds some light on his MO

AN LRH QUOTE I HAD NEVER READ BEFORE - A CLUE AS TO WHY HE HAD NO TROUBLE TRASHING THOSE WHO WORKED FOR HIM?

This morning I received by Email the following LRH quote, taken from the Philadelphia Doctorate Series. I have listened to the PDC lectures two times and do not remember hearing this quote spoken.

" "A person has to be willing to have and willing to lose before he can completely be. He must be willing to hate and be hated, leave and be left before he can love...

You have to be able to want this whole universe, to be hated by this whole universe, to be smashed by this universe and to smash it -- you have to be willing to -- before you could control it; really even before you could really desire it. And that desire must be a thing that you can monitor too. You must be able to desire and not-desire at will."

-- LRH, PDC #47, SOP: ISSUE 5, 15 December 1952

Read this LRH quote carefully and consider what he is actually saying. Had I heard this at my intro lecture, I am pretty sure that I would not have signed up. More likely, I would have made a bee line for the exit.

Now, 41 years later, 31 of which were spent in C of S accepting everything LRH stated as the absolute gospel, I find myself in disagreement with this quote of his in its entirety.

When I read these comments now, they bring down my spirits (or tone level). I feel depressed. Reading something from Buddha or the Dalai Lama has just the opposite feeling, making one feel more alive.

This quote sheds a lot of light on Hubbard's behavior - the way he treated his wives, his family children, his staff, governments and their laws and all people who tried to impose a degree of control on him.

The only one's whom he did not treat in this manner were his public. He probably knew full well, that these words would not resonate with them. Only after they signed up with him and were under his control could he apply these tenets.

Once in a while, if a person wanted to go off and do their own thing and asked Hubbard's permission, he would give them their freedom. The only person I know of who actually pulled this off was Purple Haze.

Hubbard never had anything to good to say about the physical universe. Numerous times he discouraged his followers from finding beauty in things such as a beautiful sunset, flowers, butterflies, incredible landscapes, seascapes, mountains and lakes. He never missed an opportunity to discourage his followers from speaking eloquently about these beautiful phenomena in the natural world. This always annoyed me, even when I was totally committed to his cause.

Someone from C of S sent me this quote by email this morning and to me it was a real eye opener on why Hubbard lived the way he did and what it was about him that caused so many to leave his "Church".
Lakey

The quote has some degree of truth in it. Mostly, it is LRH running his case on the audience. He did that a lot calling it "truth" or discovery.

What I see in the quote is a justification for his being the way he was.

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This quote of LRH's that Lakey and Ted refer to:

"A person has to be willing to have and willing to lose before he can completely be. He must be willing to hate and be hated, leave and be left before he can love...

You have to be able to want this whole universe, to be hated by this whole universe, to be smashed by this universe and to smash it -- you have to be willing to -- before you could control it; really even before you could really desire it. And that desire must be a thing that you can monitor too. You must be able to desire and not-desire at will."

-- LRH, PDC #47, SOP: ISSUE 5, 15 December 1952

Yes . . . note he uses the words/phrases "willing to" and "want to" . . .

This of course speaks to his evil and insanity.

Had he been sane he would have expressed the sentiment in the terms that one has to be able to . . . but not choose to.

It is interesting to observe the specificity of his word choice and slip up of revealing his true self here.

RogerB

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Carmelo,

I was shocked and distressed by the message that you'd lost your grand daughter in the manner she went.

I was at a loss for words to respond. I simply feared to add anything to what I know you and any decent Being was feeling on this occasion.

But please know you, she and your family are loved by many, and the future is still bright for all.

Roger

 

[Leon]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Two Rules for happy Living:

1. Be willing to experience anything.
2. Cause only those things others can experinece easily.

The rules are perfectly good - nothing wrong there. Unfortunately he himself could not live by either of them while being very insistent that others do so in their relationship with him.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Carmelo,

I was shocked and distressed by the message that you'd lost your grand daughter in the manner she went.

I was at a loss for words to respond. I simply feared to add anything to what I know you and any decent Being was feeling on this occasion.

But please know you, she and your family are loved by many, and the future is still bright for all.

Roger

I am pretty much wordless also.

Time marches on.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I'm sorry Ed to hear or your loss. It is crushing when someone who's life has not yet come into full bloom is taken.

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Two Rules for happy Living:

1. Be willing to experience anything.
2. Cause only those things others can experinece easily.

The rules are perfectly good - nothing wrong there. Unfortunately he himself could not live by either of them while being very insistent that others do so in their relationship with him.

That was part of his games-condition. Obsessive have for self and can't have run on others. One of these days I will come up to laughter over sec checking and O/W write-ups now knowing that LRH was, himself, a pathological liar. Again, that's the games-condition.

 

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This quote of LRH's that Lakey and Ted refer to:


Yes . . . note he uses the words/phrases "willing to" and "want to" . . .

This of course speaks to his evil and insanity.

Had he been sane he would have expressed the sentiment in the terms that one has to be able to . . . but not choose to.

It is interesting to observe the specificity of his word choice and slip up of revealing his true self here.

RogerB

I don't know about this interpretation. Definition of "willing"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/willing

When somebody says "I am willing to die for my country" that doesn't mean they want to, but that they are prepared to, or are able to bring themselves to do it. I think too much is being read into the wording.

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I don't know about this interpretation. Definition of "willing"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/willing

When somebody says "I am willing to die for my country" that doesn't mean they want to, but that they are prepared to, or are able to bring themselves to do it. I think too much is being read into the wording.

Yep, there's that use and sense of the word "willing" . . .

The senses and use I employed is in the first set referred to in your link:

1. Disposed or inclined; prepared
4. Of or relating to exercise of the will; volitional.

As in, are you willing to cause pain, hurt and anguish to another? Are you willing to lie, cheat, steal?

I'm not . . . but we do know Hubbard certainly was. And that we now know that, also demonstrates his evil and insanity.

Also, it was Hubbard who used "want to" in the quotation cited of his. I did not link the words, both simply cited his usage and context of them.

R

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

... As in, are you willing to cause pain, hurt and anguish to another? Are you willing to lie, cheat, steal? ...

That depends very much on what the individual considers to be at stake. Most individuals are quite willing to take arms and serve in the armed forces of their nation which may well involve willfully causing pain, hurt & anguish to others. Similarly, lying, cheating, & stealing in a 'good cause' is often deemed an admirable quality. [Note that willing deceit was a vital aspect of the recent foray by ST 6 into the heart of pakistan in pursuit of bin Laden.]

Those few individuals who are completely opposed to any such conduct often wind up living lives as pacifist vegan monastics, there being few other career paths where such attitudes are even remotely tolerated by society. Even then they are oft regarded as rather unusal by their colleagues.


Mark A. Baker