The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Adding my appreciation and thanks, John and friends!

Thankyou Johnny Raff. THANKYOU.

Is a little mjusical interlude in order? :wink2: A. M. Martinez!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apr-uUAoKVA

EP

 

[lkwdblds]

Yes, the disentangling of viewpoints is the key thing/

Of course what is being handled is co-incidence of viewpoint. Disentangling collapsed viewpoints one upon the other. Separating things out with the goal of arriving at a 'simple' being or uncomplicated postulate. I live in an area where we have lots of slate and shale. Of course a chunk of it is all one rock. It may all be one color. It may all have the same attributes. But it is obvious that there are layers and layers compositing the whole. I mean just taking apart a mass full of engramic clusters of incidents is done on lower levels. Whether one wants to view the life force being released along with old counter intentions as belonging to others could be arbitrarily real.

Yes, I would agree fully that the disentangling of viewpoints is key point #1 and removal of any counter intentions which a collapsed viewpoint had to your viewpoints would be key point #2. Those 2 key points did produce some resurgence of beingness in the being having the process run on them. I used the example of a plane carrying 250 people crashing. If a person ran Dianetics on the incident, he is not likely to run it deep enough to run it out. NOTs was a valid attempt to run out the incident picking up the considerations of all 250 crash victims.

That being said, there are also negative points which have been pointed out by Veda, Dart and others which have validity.

More research into NOTs could have and should have been done. What happens to the pc's space when 249 other viewpoints suddenly depart? Where do those viewpoints depart to? They can't all go to a maternity ward and pick up another body so where do they go. Is a vacuum instantly created which is immediately refilled with the same or other viewpoints?

The powers that be, Int Management, saw a cash cow and no further research appears to have been done. This cash cow was brought to market and milked for all it was worth, generating huge revenues for C of S. When the initial spike finally died out, everyone was told that some Mayo portions were still in the tech and had to be removed and then everyone was called back to rerun the same stuff over, at their own cost, not C of Ses cost. Later on everyone was ordered to run it over yet another time.

Mandatory six month sec checks were ordered and the combination of these plus audited NOTs and solo NOTs created an endless auditing line up which never had to be changed which could sap every would be "OT" of all their money. No mnatter how much money one had, no one could ever finish the bridge!. C of S would eventually get all of one's money. To keep interest up, some carrots were dangled on a stick in front of everyone's noses. These are Super Power, OT IX, OT X plus rumors of other OT levels as high as OT XV. Staff and public were played like someone plays a violin. We were told that we were not working hard enough, not paying in enough, not being resourceful enough. We could fix this by doing new rundowns at Flag. The C of $ public accepted that and paid even more to fortify their abilities so that they could be more effective in contributing to bringing out OT IX and OT X. The part line was that FLAG WAS READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO RELEASE THESE IF ONLY WE GUYS IN THE FIELD WOULD GET OUR ACTS TOGETHER AND PROPERLY SET THE TABLE FOR FLAG!!

Making matters even worse, NOTs, essentially a Dianetic process, was declared to be a series of OT Levels and the existing OT levels which seem, by most accounts, to have produced positive gains on people, were discarded in favor of Dianetics for OTs. This was a classic example of a technical degrade as discribed in the KSW series but no one seemed to notice. Can you say "gullable public and staff?"

OUT EXCHANGE Since somewhere around 1980, C of $ has been operating with gross out exchange. They are sapping people of all their money and then some and not producing any real product in return. Just through the laws of economics, a situation such as this should not be able to continue forever. People will sooner or later figure out that they have been scammed and leave. I can't think of any similar activity in history which was an organized scam anything like what C of S has going. If there was an earlier example, then we would have some idea how long the disintegration process of such an organization would take and what that disentegration would look like. Without an example, all we know is that they must fail but we don't know how long it will take and what the final throes of the collapse will look like.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Hauntingly beautiful!

Is a little mjusical interlude in order? :wink2: A. M. Martinez!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apr-uUAoKVA

EP

Aha, a kindred spirit to me. This aria is hauntingly beautiful! please continue to put more of these up as you see fit!
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Wow - What a resemblance

Actually Jachss99 I do have recent memories of being able to appear and dissappear at will...while in a human-like body. Ony a few thousand yrs ago on the Mediteranean. I later got into a fight with another OT group and got messed up pretty bad on the banks of the Red Sea. I was hurt and could not get picked back up or reassimilate into the main cluster of beings who had arrived. I remember teleporting up to someplace in present day Lebanon. I found a cave and silently died. I let the body die. I got contaminated with some kinds of charge. I could easily be human and could even pass at the time because I was very human like. I have met a couple of people from this period. Most everyone got caught in the fray and very few of us ever left. Maybe we're sleepers waiting for a call to arms....or maybe I'm trying to see the positive side of this waste of selves from the magical to the mundane.

__________

Nicola Tesla and Mark Twain tinkering in the lab 1894

These two great beings, Twain and Tesla look suspicially like some guys I met at an ex Scio party held earlier this year. The guys have been known to post here on this thread. As Arte Johnson says, "Very interesting, very interesting."
Lakey

 

[Veda]

-snip-

The powers that be, Int Management, saw a cash cow and no further research appears to have been done.

-snip-

OUT EXCHANGE Since somewhere around 1980, C of $ has been operating with gross out exchange.

-snip-

Hubbard was still running things in 1981, and made the changes to the Grade Chart re. NOTs. And, as was noted by someone recently - posting a link to a statement from Jesse Prince from 10 years ago, which corroborated statements made by others 25 years ago - Hubbard also ordered the looting of the Missions in 1982.

And according to David Mayo, the announcement, several years earlier, of Dianetic Clear as equivalent to Scientology Clear, and the changing of the middle Grade Chart, was Hubbard's idea, and motivated by PR and Marketing ($$$) considerations. http://www.lermanet.com/images/Evil-Hubbard-and-Mini-Me-scavige.jpg

 

[lkwdblds]

With that harcut, how could you miss!

1969, the current Captain of Flag Crew (on the left) with her boyfriend. Notice the Scientology bumper emblem.

Great photo Carmelo! What a great hair cut you had, with that great of a hair cut and the medal around your neck, how could you miss?
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Yeah! we finally agree 100% on one of your posts!

Hubbard was still running things in 1981, and made the changes to the Grade Chart re. NOTs. And, as was noted by someone recently - posting a link to a statement from Jesse Prince from 10 years ago, which corroborated statements made by others 25 years ago - Hubbard also ordered the looting of the Missions in 1982.

And according to David Mayo, the announcement, several years earlier, of Dianetic Clear as equivalent to Scientology Clear, and the changing of the middle Grade Chart, was Hubbard's idea, and motivated by PR and Marketing ($$$) considerations. http://www.lermanet.com/images/Evil-Hubbard-and-Mini-Me-scavige.jpg

Yes, Mike Goldstein of Idenics fame was one person who was active in and around 1981 and corroborated that LRH was the one who changed the OT lineup on the bridge and also he told me that the Mission take over was done by LRH and was the last major action in runing the C of $ which LRH had done. So we agree totally on the issues you wrote up in your post!
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

On Johnny's story about Carolyn...

It's hard to know where to start in remarking on Chronicle #7 about Carolyn. First it is helpful to Johnny fans such as myself to know more about your background. The only thing I can think of to say is an old saying which was often used in early movies about the sport of boxing, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall!" I don't mean this at all in a derogatory way but quite the opposite.

A typical Earth like response to a loved one dying, especially one dying a painful lingering death is that it is God's will, it is beyond human understanding, God has His reasons why this occurred and those reasons are beyond human understanding. The result is a funeral where the deceased is eulogized as if they no longer exist and thanks are given to God for working in His Mysterious Ways; the surving family and friends socialize and commiserate afterwards, usually eating a sumptious feast and sharing good fellowship and everybody is then able to move on with their lives.

I admire society in a way for creating this rite or ritual. It certainly is not totally ill conceived and it does offer solace. One thing I did notice, attending such funerals is that the family and friends are usually stripped of much of their social veneer due to the sobering loss of the loved one. You actually get to talk to them as a being without social veneer. I have had delightful conversations with cousins and uncles at family funerals and thought to myself, "My God, what a wonderful person cousin Francine is, where has she been all my life?" Sure there are dozens of family celebrations and get togethers over the years but it was like two circuits talking, you know, "How's work?, How are the kids?" The weather has been beautiful. They just put in a new road that knocks 3 miles off my drive to work. One thing about funerals, relatives usually set up future get togethers because they actually spoke to their relative for the first time in their life.

RESPONSES TO AND FROM A BIGGER BEING
The bigger being assumes more responsibiltiy and "response" ability. There is not a lot of sympathy, not an attribution of events to the will of a benevolent God. The bigger being, realizes that he created the whole scenario for himself for a reason and should feel happy about the occurances slmce they are testimony that his postulates are still working. He has to confront much deeper than a regular person. The wife's beautiful body and face becoming decimated and the one being loved and adored above all others on Earth having to endure tremendous amounts of pain and undergo loss of mental and physical function; one has no crutch to fall back on but actually has to confront these life and death issuess. A bigger being wears all the hats himself or herself and cannot mitigate his pain with constructs but has to confront his pain and the sources of the pain as his own creation.

A LITTLE "COG" OR EPIPHANY I JUST HAD WRITING THIS - CALL IT "THE LAW OF RECIPROCITY" OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

The law would go something such as, "When confronting an unpleasant issue, the amount of confront required is proportional to how deep seated the beliefs are to the person who is experiencing the incident. Two examples to illustrate this. #1 A person tries to give his cat a bath, the cat doesn't like water and gets scared and jumps out and walks on some important papers. The person is able to confront this fairly easily so he remains uptone and feels in controll of his destiny during the whole incident. #2 This would be something such as Johnny's story about Carolyn where a major part of one's "raison de etre" is coming to an end with a loved one undergoing tremendous pain while the person is not able to help to the degree which he would like. This second incident is much more significant to the person and all decisioins which led up to this seemingly very unpleasant occurance have to be gathered up, brought back to view (revivified) and confronted newly. This takes some real doing. I do not know if any being on Earth can stand up to this type of required confronting and still keep an upbeat attiitude and a spirit of play going. What about an advanced alien being such as Bashar? Would he or members of his more advanced race be able to experience this type of incident and still remain upbeat and retain a spirit of play. To do so would require a tremendous understanding of the workings of life, I can not even imagine someone having this much wisdom and still be manifesting life as an individual here on Earth. Maybe the Dalai Lama could pull it off.
Lakey

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Aha, a kindred spirit to me. This aria is hauntingly beautiful! please continue to put more of these up as you see fit!
Lakey

Thank you Thank you.

Have you all seen this? I want to share a video with you all that is incredible (Difficult to credit as real, yet it is.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPITHzdUUDk

 

[The Magic Thetan]

It's hard to know where to start in remarking on Chronicle #7 about Carolyn. First it is helpful to Johnny fans such as myself to know more about your background. The only thing I can think of to say is an old saying which was often used in early movies about the sport of boxing, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall!" I don't mean this at all in a derogatory way but quite the opposite.

A typical Earth like response to a loved one dying, especially one dying a painful lingering death is that it is God's will, it is beyond human understanding, God has His reasons why this occurred and those reasons are beyond human understanding. The result is a funeral where the deceased is eulogized as if they no longer exist and thanks are given to God for working in His Mysterious Ways; the surving family and friends socialize and commiserate afterwards, usually eating a sumptious feast and sharing good fellowship and everybody is then able to move on with their lives.

I admire society in a way for creating this rite or ritual. It certainly is not totally ill conceived and it does offer solace. One thing I did notice, attending such funerals is that the family and friends are usually stripped of much of their social veneer due to the sobering loss of the loved one. You actually get to talk to them as a being without social veneer. I have had delightful conversations with cousins and uncles at family funerals and thought to myself, "My God, what a wonderful person cousin Francine is, where has she been all my life?" Sure there are dozens of family celebrations and get togethers over the years but it was like two circuits talking, you know, "How's work?, How are the kids?" The weather has been beautiful. They just put in a new road that knocks 3 miles off my drive to work. One thing about funerals, relatives usually set up future get togethers because they actually spoke to their relative for the first time in their life.

RESPONSES TO AND FROM A BIGGER BEING
The bigger being assumes more responsibiltiy and "response" ability. There is not a lot of sympathy, not an attribution of events to the will of a benevolent God. The bigger being, realizes that he created the whole scenario for himself for a reason and should feel happy about the occurances slmce they are testimony that his postulates are still working. He has to confront much deeper than a regular person. The wife's beautiful body and face becoming decimated and the one being loved and adored above all others on Earth having to endure tremendous amounts of pain and undergo loss of mental and physical function; one has no crutch to fall back on but actually has to confront these life and death issuess. A bigger being wears all the hats himself or herself and cannot mitigate his pain with constructs but has to confront his pain and the sources of the pain as his own creation.

A LITTLE "COG" OR EPIPHANY I JUST HAD WRITING THIS - CALL IT "THE LAW OF RECIPROCITY" OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

The law would go something such as, "When confronting an unpleasant issue, the amount of confront required is proportional to how deep seated the beliefs are to the person who is experiencing the incident. Two examples to illustrate this. #1 A person tries to give his cat a bath, the cat doesn't like water and gets scared and jumps out and walks on some important papers. The person is able to confront this fairly easily so he remains uptone and feels in controll of his destiny during the whole incident. #2 This would be something such as Johnny's story about Carolyn where a major part of one's "raison de etre" is coming to an end with a loved one undergoing tremendous pain while the person is not able to help to the degree which he would like. This second incident is much more significant to the person and all decisioins which led up to this seemingly very unpleasant occurance have to be gathered up, brought back to view (revivified) and confronted newly. This takes some real doing. I do not know if any being on Earth can stand up to this type of required confronting and still keep an upbeat attiitude and a spirit of play going. What about an advanced alien being such as Bashar? Would he or members of his more advanced race be able to experience this type of incident and still remain upbeat and retain a spirit of play. To do so would require a tremendous understanding of the workings of life, I can not even imagine someone having this much wisdom and still be manifesting life as an individual here on Earth. Maybe the Dalai Lama could pull it off.
Lakey

Thanks for the compassion and understanding. I can't tell you how much that means to me

What about an advanced alien being such as Bashar? Would he or members of his more advanced race be able to experience this type of incident and still remain upbeat and retain a spirit of play.


These things would never occur in Barshar's 4th Density reality. Therefore they would never be confronted. It seems that only in this 3rd Density reality do we have the confront or stupidity to create things that seem to exceed our ability to tolerate.

Love has been the greatest of all experiences for me. At times, it far exceeded all of the reality transforming magic I was blessed with. The apparent loss of this love, or the apparentcy of it being tuned to pain and misery, is the greatest pain I have known. It is a game of Limitation Mastery and Suffering that I wish to ADMIRE AND RETIRE FOREVER, and maybe that is what this life of transition is all about, the discovery in depth that we have created it all, so that we may at last be done with games of suffering and misery.

How did you like the descriptions of Barbershop Music Magic? Hope you, and everyone who loves great performances get to experience this kind of magic. love john

 

[FoTi]

Great photo Carmelo! What a great hair cut you had, with that great of a hair cut and the medal around your neck, how could you miss?
Lakey

Carmelo is also cute. Actually he looks pretty sexy from here. That might have had something to do with it. I don't know about that shirt, though. That's pretty weird. I don't remember shirts like that in the 60's.

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Carolyn and me...

Me and My Beloved Carolyn

 

[FoTi]

Thank you Thank you.

Have you all seen this? I want to share a video with you all that is incredible (Difficult to credit as real, yet it is.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPITHzdUUDk

Wow! She's incredible. And so beautiful. Thanks for putting this up TMT.

Here's one .... she sings with her brother.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCQjMZ1dZrw&feature=related

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Call me a pedant if you wish, but that should be 'gate' and not 'gait'.


strait
   
–noun
1.
Often, straits. ( used with a singular verb ) a narrow passage of water connecting two large bodies of water.
2.
Often, straits. a position of difficulty, distress, or need: Ill and penniless, he was in sad straits indeed.
3.
Archaic . a narrow passage or area.
4.
an isthmus.
–adjective Archaic .
5.
narrow: Strait is the gate.
6.
affording little space; confined in area.
7.
strict, as in requirements or principles.



gait
   
–noun
1.
a manner of walking, stepping, or running.
2.
any of the manners in which a horse moves, as a walk, trot, canter, gallop, or rack.


Therefore:

"It matters not how strait the gate,"

Yes dear, of course you are right! Feel better now? It's just a typo, don't let it upset you...just so I don't call you a pendant!!!

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Me and My Beloved Carolyn

I love all these pictures of you and Carolyn, Johnny! Thanks for sharing them!

Warm Fuzzies!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Cutie Pie!

Great photo Carmelo! What a great hair cut you had, with that great of a hair cut and the medal around your neck, how could you miss?
Lakey

Actually, I think he's wearing a dashiki...
I wore them too in high school...

 

[The Magic Thetan]

I love all these pictures of you and Carolyn, Johnny! Thanks for sharing them!

Warm Fuzzies!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~

Thnaks for loving them Love John

 

[SweetnessandLight]

I like it!

Once again I met this morning for "Breakfast with Hal", a twenty year tradition of meeting with my good friend Hal Seyle, an "Old Timer" Scientologist from the fifties, who had, like me, gone off to explore other avenues such as the alien Bashar (Bashar.com) and the Law of Attraction works of Abraham. (Abraham-Hicks.com)

This day I began by sharing some of Ikwdblds post # 5389 where he so beautifully addressed my thoughts on the nature of thetans and present time.

As I began to explore in greater debt the idea that things were what I considered and defined them to be, I was delighted to experience that I was nothing. I was unlimited potential, but I was not a thing. I was not a body, a mind, a thetan, an idea, a concept, a construct of some sort or an object. I was simply the potential to be or not be anything. I was delighted to FEEL this as a visceral experience.

However, the moment I considered myself to be a thetan, I felt myself being one. The moment I considered myself to be a complex construct of trillions programed and un-programed cells,I FELT really complex. This complexity was enjoyable when I considered it was, neutral when I had no thought about it, and negative when I had thoughts like, "Now I am going to have to deal with this complex mass of stuff."

"Knowest Thou the Meaning of Potential?"

Yes I think I do, for I am experiencing myself to be nothing or something as a direct reflection of what I consider.

With regards to time, I have been blessed with so many experiences on this subject, it seems like it will take "A Long Time" for me to delineate them all in my Johnny Raff Chronicles.

In my book "An Invitation to WonderWorld" there is a chapter entitled, "Adventures in Time". It tells the story of Barbara and I experiencing many "hours of time" when we only had "20 minutes" to be back on course. (I would by the way love it if you choose to support the project by getting and reading that book. It's available through my continually updated web site at wonderworldonline.com)

After my insistence on re-doing OT-II, (after having been enticed off of it because someone considered I needed to do OT-III), I experienced the physical universe flickering on and of like a show running motion picture camera. It was there, then not there, then there, then not there, and I got to personally and directly experience it being created moment to moment to moment.

Then I had an experience of simultaneous time, in which I was blessed with the awareness of everything being created in the now. Talk about an expansive view of "present time". After that, I returned to the habitual, human practice, of selecting a tiny portion of all that is, that I then strung out in a linear time stream. I then defined my instantaneous creation of A LINEAR TIME STREAM to be my multi-life history, and thus it was, until I considered it was something else.

:mindblow: Later I discovered that, I was a nothing that had unlimited potential, and everything was as I considered or defined it to be.

"Knowest Thou the Meaning of Potential?"

Well it seems like I am beginning to know, yet I consider there is much more to know, and so there is, except for "The Times" when I consider there is not.

Love, The Magic Thetan.

O.K. Now we're getting' metaphysical!

 

[SweetnessandLight]

More Warm fuzzies!

The following was inspired by a PM from EP.

What created and drives this thread is ARCU.

A tip of the hat to:

S&L...the original "A' of the thread.

Carmelo...the original "R" of the thread.

Lakey...the original "C" of the thread.

All Y'all...the orginal "U" of the thread.

Face

Well, thank you Facey! This is just a lovely validation and acknowledgment! People do need encouragement from time to time, and this really rings my bell!

I've come over all tingly with warm fuzzies tonight!

And Thank YOU! to Eeepie for his pm. You have discovered our application of a Universal truth and key to success in working and co-creating with people...we're doin it here!

 

[Pepin]

Really?


"Ok, so you drive a bring out of your space. Now they are upset. What have you created? a vacuum. In comes another.

Why do you assume they are upset?
Why do you assume there is a vacuum?

In my experience an awakened being is just that, an awakened being who is now more aware, and very happy to be aware.