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Make pets out of them!

Really?

This is from DartSmohen:

"No one has EVER got rid of all the beings in their space. It is an impossibility to do so. All this self-delusion about being "all alone" is nothing more than mental masturbation. An excuse to relieve the poor mug of as much loot as you can. :omg:

"The clue can be found in two basic statements; it is engramic to force a being to be in a space they do not wish to be in. It is engramic to force a being out of a space they want to be in. :duh:

"Ok, so you drive a bring out of your space. Now they are upset. What have you created? a vacuum. In comes another. :ohmy:

"Now take this further. What happens if you have centres where this idiotic activity is going on, places like Asho's Flag etc. You drive a being out, you are just as likely to pick up someone else's upset being coming in, complete with their own "baggage" stirred up. :angry: :grouch:

"Did you ever wonder why so many people died on NOT's? Why people committed suicide on OT3 and NOTS ?, strokes ? heart attacks ? cancers ? :omg:

"How many people have been left penniless, their lives turned upside down, families broken up, all because of this insane and obscene dream ? :no:

"Do you think Hubbard didn't know what was going on ? Do you think that despite his own phobias that he knew deep down that it was never going to work, but what a great marketing tool. How much cash has been poured into the cult in the name of these pointless activities. (Let us not forget the well-intentioned FZ and RO). :confused2: :unsure:

"Try working WITH those beings around you, rather than against them. You might just be pleasantly surprised by the results. :happydance:"

This is why I said that I just made pets out of mine! :) For Pete's sake, get into affinity (or ARC, your choice) with any beings in your space...this is kinda BASIC! :thumbsup:
 
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Actually, I think he's wearing a dashiki...:D
I wore them too in high school...:blush:

you are correct O Sweetness. Although I didn't know the name for it until you wrote it, and I googled it.

Did you do the patchouli oil too?

At my high school, there were two of us who did patchouli. You could smell it in the halls where we had been.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrjRIUksUh0

the original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZwRyodoPV4&p=78102E67D9C71CA9&playnext=1&index=68

When they made me, they threw away the mold.

I was one of maybe three Goldwater Republicans in my social group. Now I'm a libertarian.

I was listening to lectures by Tim Leary and reading the Psychedelic Experience, (The rewrite of The Tibetan Book of the Dead), and dropping acid with friends. Acid we bought from Augustus Owsley Stanley lll. It wasn't uncommon to be hanging out with any number of the creators of the San Francisco sound.

I had a 1958 International Harvester panel truck (the engine, of which, I had rebuilt) with a mattress in the back.

In high school, we smoked dope, drank wine and ate salami and French bread during lunch.

I devoured Ayn Rand, Aldous Huxley, Alan Watts, in addition to books on Pi and the i Ching.

I definitely had soft features. I was no Clint Eastwood. Yet, I could carry a Super Beatle amp a great distance. I rock climbed, belly boarded, surfed, skied, scuba dove, ran long distance.

At home, I took an old McCullough chain saw weighing about 50 pounds up a couple of dead 100 foot tall pine trees, and took them down from the top downwards. I repaired trucks, tractors, cars, anything on a farm.

My music was Dylan and folk music (Baez, Peter, Paul, and Mary, the Weavers) jazz (Stan Getz, Gerry Mulligan, Mose Allison, Miles, Monk), and rock and roll (Beatles, Stones, Chuck Berry, Paul Butterfield Blues Band, BB King, etc), and I liked Andy Williams, Dean Martin, and Old Blue Eyes too.

I loved theatre and live musical theatre.

Straight out of high school, I was reading Harry Browne and, within a couple of years was buying silver (before it shot up) and real estate (ditto). Working on farm and construction tractors, for my father's friends, I was getting $25 an hour in the 60s, which was respectable for the time. College was the last thing on my mind, though I did get accepted at UC. - never went.

No matter which way I turned I was a round peg in a square holed world.

through scientology, I expanded my group of friends, and finally, 35 years post sci, I am making sense of myself.
 
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Many life similarities beyond the clothing style of that era

Well, I'm glad for that win, Carmelo! I'm also glad you got out before things turned REALLY ugly...:clap:

There is much that is similar in our background. Less booze and buzz in mine, but the other activities are very similar. :coolwink:

I learned to drive a tractor on my Uncle's ranch as a little kid before I could drive a car, etc. etc.:thumbsup:

I still like frankincense or clove oil better than patchouli...it's amazing our high school teachers didn't have permanent allergies from breathing the fumes! :) :D
 
November 12, Mark Your Calendars

"Unstoppable," a Tony Scott film with Denzel and Rosario Dawson opens in theaters across the country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC6QM8y0ejo

Our youngest son is a train nut. He got calls from one of the producers back in 2004 for help getting the details right. It's finally coming to a screen near you.
 
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"The Big Chill" was a film that I only saw once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg
It occurred to me today, while taking a class on getting books published, that "The Big Chill" could be a starting point , as a theme movie, for telling 6 - 8 peoples' stories of their Scientology experiences. It would have humor, pathos, slavery, bankruptcy, insanity, escape plots, and strong friendships.

it would be fiction, but a very doable plot.

this thread is testimony to the variety of experiences that could be written and filmed.

is anyone interested in collaborating?
 

Veda

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Why do you assume they are upset?
Why do you assume there is a vacuum?

In my experience an awakened being is just that, an awakened being who is now more aware, and very happy to be aware.

The quote is not from me, but from DartSmohen.

DartSmohen was on the first Class 8 course with Alan Walter. Here both comment on that course:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=177122&postcount=41

If you'd like to read the perspective of another early Class 8 course graduate, Bent Corydon, read the book 'Messiah or Madman?', and for a look at NOTs, read the chapter 'Are you Haunted?'. This is a short except from that chapter
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NOTs/origins/corydon-messiah.html but omits much, including the references to, or quotes from, Julian Huxley, Paracelsus, Gurdjieff, Vernon Howard, Mouni Sadhu, Thomas Edison, amongst others, plus an examination of the subject of "Tulpa-making." The only available scan of this book is of the 1987 rush-to-print edition, and it's not a very good scan. Still, it's readable for those curious.
 
Me, me!

"The Big Chill" was a film that I only saw once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg
It occurred to me today, while taking a class on getting books published, that "The Big Chill" could be a starting point , as a theme movie, for telling 6 - 8 peoples' stories of their Scientology experiences. It would have humor, pathos, slavery, bankruptcy, insanity, escape plots, and strong friendships.

it would be fiction, but a very doable plot.

this thread is testimony to the variety of experiences that could be written and filmed.

is anyone interested in collaborating?

Yes, I yam...and mostly survival as a theme...ironic, isn't it? :D
 
The quote is not from me, but from DartSmohen.

DartSmohen was on the first Class 8 course with Alan Walter. Here both comment on that course:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=177122&postcount=41

If you'd like to read the perspective of another early Class 8 course graduate, Bent Corydon, read the book 'Messiah or Madman?', and for a look at NOTs, read the chapter 'Are you Haunted?'. This is a short except from that chapter
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NOTs/origins/corydon-messiah.html but omits much, including the references to, or quotes from, Julian Huxley, Paracelsus, Gurdjieff, Vernon Howard, Mouni Sadhu, Thomas Edison, amongst others, plus an examination of the subject of "Tulpa-making." The only available scan of this book is of the 1987 rush-to-print edition, and it's not a very good scan. Still, it's readable for those curious.

Thank God somebody else here knows who Gurdjieff is!!! I feel less alone now! :D Thank you, Veda! :thumbsup:
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Jackey - It goes with saying, absolutely phenomenal!

Beautiful Thanks. What did you think of Jackey? I always love your responses so I am soliciting another Best John

Jackey, she is just phenomenal, incredible, any adjective you want to name! It seems her singing voice grew out of sync with the rest of her body.

Jackey is a walking poster girl for past lives. I can not see a brand new human being going from birth to 10 years old and learning to sing arias such as Puccini's with full adult prima dona skill, and in Italian no less.

Emily Bear is another poster child for the existence of past lives as was Mozart himself. Felix Mendelsohn was another child prodigy. The mathematician Karl Friedrich Gauss was also a math prodigy. There is an anecdote that when Gauss was in the first Grade, the teacher needed to leave the classroom for 10 or 15 minutes and gave the children an assignment to add up all the integers between 1 and 100 while he was gone. He thought that would keep them busy for awhile.

Little Karl Friedrich immediately wrote down a number that he pulled out of his head and took it up to the teacher before the teacher could leave the room. The teacher read Gauss's paper and it said the correct answer, 5050. He asked the 5 or 6 year old Gauss how he had figured the problem out so fast and Gause said he mentally added 1 and 100 giving 101, then 2 and 99 giving 101 and kept this up until 50 +51 which also equaled 101. Therefore there were 50 totals of 101. He then realized that 50 totals of 100 totaled 5,000 and that left 50 totals of 1 added another 50 thus yielding 5050.

TMT, you did not comment on how you felt about my reply to your post about Carolyn. I wanted to give you a meaningful reply but was sort of at a loss for words. I came up with what I did as my best effort. Did you like that reply? Its okay to let me know if I missed the mark and you did not like it. I tried hard to give you a meaningful answer from my heart.
Lakey

P.S. - Johnny, that Joan Newton who you originally knew as Joan Losslie. could that be Joan Loosli (pronounced lossly). Was she originally Joan Todhunter who was from a family of singers including her sisters Susan and Laura. If so, Joan was a good friend of mine who I would like to say hello to.
 

Veda

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A post by Alan Walter http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=15236&postcount=1, featuring quotes on the topic of reincarnation:


A Few Comments on Reincarnation​

Benjamin Franklin:

"I look upon death to be as necessary to the constitution as sleep. We
shall rise refreshed in the morning."

"And, finding myself to exist in the world, I believe I shall, in some
shape or other always exist."


Jack London, author, best known for book "Call of the Wild":

"I did not begin when I was born, nor when I was conceived. I have been
growing, developing, through incalculable myriads of millenniums. All
my previous selves have their voices, echoes, promptings in me. Oh,
incalculable times again shall I be born."

Napoleon was fond of telling his generals that he believed in the law
of Napoleon reincarnation and even told them who he believed to have
been in Napoleona previous life.


Mark Twain:

"I have been born more times than anybody except Krishna."


Leo Tolstoy:

"As we live through thousands of dreams in our present life, so is our
present life only one of many thousands of such lives which we enter
from the other more real life and then return after death. Our life is
but one of the dreams of that more real life, and so it is endlessly,
until the very last one, the very real the life of God."


Henry Ford:

"I adopted the theory of reincarnation when I was 26. Genius is
experience. Some think to seem that it is a gift or talent, but it is
the fruit of long experience in many lives".


Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, (German poet, playwright and scientist):

"As long as you are not aware of the continual law of Die and Be Again,
you are merely a vague guest on a dark Earth."


Freidrich Nietzsche:

"Live so that thou mayest desire to live again - that is thy duty - for
in any case thou wilt live again!"


Mahatma Gandhi:

"I cannot think of permanent enmity between man and man, and believing
as I do in the theory of reincarnation, I live in the hope that if not
in this birth, in some other birth I shall be able to hug all of
humanity in friendly embrace."


Ralph Waldo Emerson:

"The soul comes from without into the human body, as into a temporary
abode, and it goes out of it anew it passes into other habitations, for
the soul is immortal."

"It is the secret of the world that all things subsist and do not die, but only retire a little from sight and afterwards return again.

Nothing is dead; men feign themselves dead, and endure mock funerals and there they stand looking out of the window, sound and well, in some strange new disguise."


General George S. Patton:

"So as through a glass and darkly, the age long strife I see, Where I
fought in many guises, many names, but always me."


Albert Schweitzer:

"Reincarnation contains a most comforting explanation of reality by
means of which Indian thought surmounts difficulties which baffle the
thinkers of Europe."


Walt Whitman:

"I know I am deathless. No doubt I have died myself ten thousand times
before. I laugh at what you call dissolution, and I know the amplitude
of time."


William Wordsworth:

"Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting; The Soul that rises with
us, our life's Star, Hath had elsewhere its setting. And cometh from
afar."


Jalalu Rumi (Islamic Poet of the 13th century):

"I died as a mineral and became a plant, I died as a plant and rose to
animal, I died as animal and I was man. Why should I fear ? When was I
less by dying?"


Carl Jung:

"My life often seemed to me like a story that has no beginning and no
end. I had the feeling that I was an historical fragment, an excerpt
for which the preceding and succeeding text was missing. I could well
imagine that I might have lived in former centuries and there
encountered questions I was not yet able to answer; that I had been
born again because I had not fulfilled the task given to me."


Henry David Thoreau:

"Why should we be startled by death? Life is a constant putting off of
the mortal coil - coat, cuticle, flesh and bones, all old clothes."


Socrates:

"I am confident that there truly is such a thing as living again, that
the living spring from the dead, and that the souls of the dead are in
existence."


Jesus Christ in Gnostic Gospels: Pistis Sophia:

"Souls are poured from one into another of different kinds of bodies of
the world."


Voltaire:

"It is not more surprising to be born twice than once; everything in
nature is resurrection."


Koran:

"God generates beings, and sends them back over and over again, till
they return to Him."


Josephus (most well known Jewish historian from the time of Jesus):

"All pure and holy spirits live on in heavenly places, and in course of
time they are again sent down to inhabit righteous bodies."


Honore Balzac (French writer):

"All human beings go through a previous life... Who knows how many
fleshly forms the heir of heaven occupies before he can be brought to
understand the value of that silence and solitude of spiritual worlds?"


Arthur Schopenhauer (Philosopher):

"Were an Asiatic to ask me for a definition of Europe, I should be
forced to answer him: It is that part of the world which is haunted by
the incredible delusion that man was created out of nothing, and that
his present birth is his first entrance into life."


Paul Gauguin (French post-impressionist painter):

"When the physical organism breaks up, the soul survives. It then takes
on another body."


George Harrison:

"Friends are all souls that we've known in other lives. We're drawn to
each other. Even if I have only known them a day., it doesn't matter.
I'm not going to wait till I have known them for two years, because
anyway, we must have met somewhere before, you know."


Pythagoras:

Among the ancient Greeks, reincarnation was a doctrine closely
associated with the followers of the philosopher and mathematician
Pythagoras. According to Pythagorean teaching, the soul survives
physical death.

After a series of reincarnations each one following a period of psychic
cleansing in spiritual environments the soul becomes free eternally from
the cycle of reincarnations.

Alan
 

The Magic Thetan

Patron with Honors
Jackey, she is just phenomenal, incredible, any adjective you want to name! It seems her singing voice grew out of sync with the rest of her body.

Jackey is a walking poster girl for past lives. I can not see a brand new human being going from birth to 10 years old and learning to sing arias such as Puccini's with full adult prima dona skill, and in Italian no less.

Emily Bear is another poster child for the existence of past lives as was Mozart himself. Felix Mendelsohn was another child prodigy. The mathematician Karl Friedrich Gauss was also a math prodigy. There is an anecdote that when Gauss was in the first Grade, the teacher needed to leave the classroom for 10 or 15 minutes and gave the children an assignment to add up all the integers between 1 and 100 while he was gone. He thought that would keep them busy for awhile.

Little Karl Friedrich immediately wrote down a number that he pulled out of his head and took it up to the teacher before the teacher could leave the room. The teacher read Gauss's paper and it said the correct answer, 5050. He asked the 5 or 6 year old Gauss how he had figured the problem out so fast and Gause said he mentally added 1 and 100 giving 101, then 2 and 99 giving 101 and kept this up until 50 +51 which also equaled 101. Therefore there were 50 totals of 101. He then realized that 50 totals of 100 totaled 5,000 and that left 50 totals of 1 added another 50 thus yielding 5050.

TMT, you did not comment on how you felt about my reply to your post about Carolyn. I wanted to give you a meaningful reply but was sort of at a loss for words. I came up with what I did as my best effort. Did you like that reply? Its okay to let me know if I missed the mark and you did not like it. I tried hard to give you a meaningful answer from my heart.
Lakey

Did you read post # 5490. That was my reply to your post about Carolyn. I very much enjoyed your comments. Very compassionate and the understandings you expressed meant a lot to me.

P.S. - Johnny, that Joan Newton who you originally knew as Joan Losslie. could that be Joan Loosli (pronounced lossly). Was she originally Joan Todhunter who was from a family of singers including her sisters Susan and Laura. If so, Joan was a good friend of mine who I would like to say hello to.

Yes the same Joan. She has been a PC and client of mine for many years, and a very close friend of Carolyn and I. We are still very close. I will give you her phone number in a personal post. Thanks for all your thoughts and wisdom. Do let me know if you saw that post # 5490 or not. If I missed something, or there is something I did not answer, please let me know.
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Somehow I missed this #5490

:):cheers2::flowers: Thanks for the compassion and understanding. I can't tell you how much that means to me

What about an advanced alien being such as Bashar? Would he or members of his more advanced race be able to experience this type of incident and still remain upbeat and retain a spirit of play.


These things would never occur in Barshar's 4th Density reality. Therefore they would never be confronted. It seems that only in this 3rd Density reality do we have the confront or stupidity to create things that seem to exceed our ability to tolerate.

Love has been the greatest of all experiences for me. At times, it far exceeded all of the reality transforming magic I was blessed with. The apparent loss of this love, or the apparentcy of it being tuned to pain and misery, is the greatest pain I have known. It is a game of Limitation Mastery and Suffering that I wish to ADMIRE AND RETIRE FOREVER, and maybe that is what this life of transition is all about, the discovery in depth that we have created it all, so that we may at last be done with games of suffering and misery.

:rose:How did you like the descriptions of Barbershop Music Magic? Hope you, and everyone who loves great performances get to experience this kind of magic. love john

Sorry TMT, somehow I missed your post #5490 but I just read it now.

Thanks TMT, I am glad I was able to capture some understanding of what you were saying in my reply! No matter who the being is and how OT we are, it seems as if every being benefits when they take the time to communicate something and it gets duplicated by another or lots of other beings. Thanks for the comments on the level at which Bashar is operating at vis a vis our own.

Thanks for turning me on to Joan Loosli's number. We really were close for nearly a year just before she got married to Jacob Loosli. They married in 1978 I believe and then I married in 1981. All four of us Joan, Jacob, my wife and me were on lines at ASHO and the Loosli's invited us over for dinner and we reciprocated. When my wife, now ex wife got pregnant in 1982 we went to dinner at the Loosli's and Joan hatted Evy on the ins and outs of pregnancy and she recommended the Le Maas method. Jacob and I became friends of sorts. He really liked his Mateus wine as did I. They came to visit us in Fullerton around 1984 when my Son was about 2 or 3. They had a daughter, Sophie, about 3 1/2 who was platinum blonde and had a very dynamic personality. actially giving orders to boss the grown ups around Their Son, Remi was about 7. We took videos with our old Beta Max camera and still have them. I last watched them around 1991. After that, many of Joan's musical associates went over to Mayo's AAC and Joan and Jacob sorted of sided with Mayo while I, like an idiot, sided with C of S. As a result our going to one another's homes socially came to an end. I did call Joan to invite her to something around 1986 and she told me that she had split up with her husband. he called me personally twice. He was upset with the situation and wanted my take on it. He went back to Switzerland to think things over. He wrote me a letter stating that he considered me a friend and thought we would see each other again in this life. I responded with dittos but have not heard from him since then. He is a very nice man. I never saw Joan again either after about 1985, maybe 1986 and I met her in 1977 so we had an 8 or 9 year run as really good friends.

Joan and Susan put on a concert where they both sang at Joan residence in 1978. The Todhunter's parents were there as were both my parents. What a concert it was. Susan sang one of my favoite arias from Mozart's Marriage of Figaro, "Vedrai Carino" and I believe Joan sang "Che faro sensa Euridice" from Glucks' Iphegenia in Aulide, another of my favoites. I requested those two arias from them. Susan sang another Aria from Verdi, I believe, which was one of her personal favorites. It is about a tormented woman singing, "I lived for art and art alone so why am I forsaken and unhappy" Susan sang that aria at every recital I ever saw her give.

On Barber Shoppe Quartets, I have a limited experience. Every spring the City of Fullerton has their downtown district closed off to cars and holds a huge night time extravaganza called a night in Fullerton. They always had a barber shop quartet singing at a downtown Fullerton Church and I saw several of those. I went with Finished man to the Nixon Library in Yorba Linda in 2007, maybe early 2008 to a Barber Shoppe Quartet concert which was extremely good. Occasionally I would see groups performing on the streets at Disney land.

With my good memory, I would here many of the songs sung in movies and such and know so many of the lyrics by heart. My favorites are "A bicycle built for two", "Down by the old mill stream", "Down by the riverside" "Come away with me Lucille, in my merry Oldsmobile."

Here's a link to my favorite song but it is an instrumental and not a Barber Shop Quartet rendition.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIrX8YpiJgA&feature=related

Lakey
 
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