The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Hatshepsut]

Hats Darlin' - were I not so old and so thoroughly married...Would you marry me?

EP

Sure. Just let me OK it with Mr. Howdy

 

[Auditor's Toad]

This has happened time and time again on chat boards all over the net when somebody ventures off their safe home thread and goes into another thread and gets into it with some others posters and runs back to their home thread they tend to drag back some stuff on their cyber shoes that ends up tracked around what used to be a neat little home thread.

That is all that happened here. Somebody went out, had fun, and drug it - no matter it may well have been unwittingly - back home. Top it off with cross posts between threads and it sort of tends to really add to the melee.

Did it change the thread? Most likely forever. Such is the nature of the net.

Sort of way late to now decide to not like the results.

It'll be fun to watch from here on out.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Originally posted by I told you I was trouble

snipped

Still, it's lovely to see you all reacting with such powerful spirituality.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Was this a place holder ?

 

[Hatshepsut]

.,.

Still looking for a comeback for that one...

 

[lkwdblds]

It sounds like you are describing yourself.

This has happened time and time again on chat boards all over the net when somebody ventures off their safe home thread and goes into another thread and gets into it with some others posters and runs back to their home thread they tend to drag back some stuff on their cyber shoes that ends up tracked around what used to be a neat little home thread.

That is all that happened here. Somebody went out, had fun, and drug it - no matter it may well have been unwittingly - back home. Top it off with cross posts between threads and it sort of tends to really add to the melee.

Did it change the thread? Most likely forever. Such is the nature of the net.

Sort of way late to now decide to not like the results.

It'll be fun to watch from here on out.

Yes, It sounds like you are describing yourself! Very interesting how the mind works.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

.,.

I read it (Face's new 12th Installment). You are right, it is excellent!
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Jesus Christ Ted, The best summation post ever!!!

Yes, that is exactly what good, effective auditing does.

Given the changing tech, pc's sit down with different definitions in mind, and different expectations. The metaphor of clearing a bank of charge and blowing charge gives the impression that charge is simply blown away. Or, earlier in Dianetics, charge is moved to the analytical mind. My point is, we are surrounded by life. We ARE life. We communicate with each other. We mis communicate. We violate each others' expectations, goals, purposes, and do other things during the give and take of life force.

Today, I am who I am because of my participation in Scientology and adherence to Hubbard's written and spoken words. That gave me a tremendous boost in life and an orientation that I find useful to this day. On the other hand, Hubbard was a pathological liar and a vane, self-centered old fuck.

In 1989 I was in the process of rejecting everything that Hubbard said or wrote. Ultimately, that was not helpful. I could have rejected everything, all the info, everything I did personally and every win I witnessed in pc's sitting three feet in front of my face. Then what?

I say, I could have... But there was no denying, for me, the truth of my experience. Slowly I picked up a piece of tech here, a piece there examining each piece to determine if it were shit or Shinola. I am still sorting. Some things that I originally accepted as the real Shinola turned out on second examination to be the shit that I would not want on my shoes.

My task now is to reexamine the things I learned in Scientology for the third and fourth times, determine where Hubbard inserted a twist to satisfy his self-interest and -importance, then communicate my findings to anyone who will listen.

That thing about charge, in Scientology it is gotten rid of to the glee of ignorant, trusting pc's. There is a thrill to getting rid of stuff. "Wee!" F/N, VGI's. In some instances this type of EP turns out to be a lessening of responsibility, not an acceptance of more. The more trust the gleeful or the dedicated place in Hubbard the further in the trap they get.

As for me, I accept what comes my way, manage, align, or realign, then grow stronger. Not all life force is easily converted. Discernment and decisions have to be made. What is the ROI if I invest time, energy, effort, life force in this person, place, thing? It's an OT process, and it doesn't come easy.

Hells, bells what a f...king incredible post this is!!! It is the definitive post, the best summary relating to tech in general and one's participation in Scientology in particular. I have started a log of my favorite posts on my Micro Soft word and this one is going right in there in position #1.

I needed a boost after posting today, I went and worked out in the gym and did the sauna and swimming and met some new people in the pool. That was refreshing but this post was the "coup de grace" which restored my spirits.

Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Reply to trouble!

Lakey,

Do yourself a favour and get out of this thread, these people are not your friends and we are really not your enemies (though you may miss the nutter-like and terribly significant ramblings elsewhere).

I have often considered getting off of this thread but it was always more like retiring from it because the game was getting stale. There was never any conflict with the posters here until recently. We were pretty much one big happy family.

If I get off now, it would be for completely different reasons; too much conflict, too many battles, not being allowed to have an opinion different from other posters or experiencing efforts to deprive me of my freedom of speech.

When you look at posting from an exterior view, someone types some letters on a computer screen, another person types some letters and the two don't agree. More letters are typed back and forth. Sometimes personal insults are made but it is just letters on a screen.

Nobody comes over and starts punching out the other guy. No one gets anyone fired from their job. No one loses any income. Not much really happens except these letters on the screen can get a person upset and enraged.

Sure there are friendships and group activities. On the Apollo thread, I have actually made friends with only a handful of people. First were Blue Spirit and Sweetness and Light. Blue dumped me last year. There is also Carmelo, Candy, Johnny Rafanello and Toady, who is no longer a friend. I have been on Skype with 3 people, and said hello at parties and events to maybe 5 people who post here and talked by phone to 3 or 4 others.

If I walk away from the thread with 4 new friends, Carmelo, Candy, Johnny and Sweetness and Light the friendship facet of posting here will have been very rewarding.

I am the OP of the thread but for a thread this size, that doesn't really count for anything; we are up near 1,200 pages now and only on the first 20 pages was it my thread. After that point, I became just another poster here. Others have contributed here more than me, among them Carmelo,Ted, Face, and yes, Roger. Also, I would add Hatsheput, she is just phenomenal!

The bottom line is that I'll leave the thread when I know that its time to leave. Personal attacks don't usually bother me much. Some of the attacks are deserved where I was out of line. What will get me to leave is not deserved attacks but unfounded attacks. Too many unfounded attacks plus abridgement of my freedom of speech and being forced to walk in 100% lockstep with some other poster or group of posters will be my cue to exist and exit I will.

When I decide its time to quit, I wil quit fast. That time hasn't come yet but its possible it may come soon or it could be in the distant future.

"Trouble", my friend, I appreciate your support and concern but when I quit this thread I can't see myself joining up with Helluva, Veda, Toady and that crowd of people, yourself included. You guys are extremely nice people, Markus is a really cool guy as is Sharone, as are you. Gottabrain is a great person!

However, if you read Ted's post which I just quoted above, that shows exactly where I am at too. That mindset is just too different from Helluva's or Veda's to allow me to link up with that crowd.
Lakey

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Well, Mr. Baker, my precise Mr. Baker ...

LOL!

I try, although others often just say "You're trying".

Diana, I do not have any idea what was edited. Some other poster yesterday mentioned that the videos had been edited. Mark then made some comments to that person and Mark referenced an earlier posting of his, I believe #11,795, where he had mentioned it as well. That was the first I new that editing had occurred. I do not know how much editing took place or what was edited out. Mark knows way more about that than I do. ...

Actually, Lakey, I don't KNOW of ANY editing which actually did take take place.

I do not have a verbatim memory of what Roger and the other speakers said at the convention, nor have I detected any notable differences between what is in the recordings and what I personally remember from the convention.

I know that for technical reasons having to do with problems & constraints some editing may have occurred.

I know that what is available on the internet is substantially everything of importance that was said during the course of the talks.

I know that from my perspective nothing that Roger had to say was especially critical of LRH.

AND I know from Roger's post #11907 that my recollection is wholly consonant with his as regards both his intention at the time of the conventions as well as his actual statements made during the course of his talk.


One more thing I know: loose talk about the editing of 'critical comments' creates an impression exactly contrary to fact that somehow the available recordings on the internet represent a deliberate attempt to 'whitewash' the record of what occurred at the convention and that in particular YOUR DUB IN, as Roger so reasonably put it, and your continual repetition of your dub in serves to grossly distort the record of what actually has occurred.

As I said elsewhere, you may yourself be perfectly comfortable with making too many assumptions but it serves as a continual distraction for others who are on the board in the need to correct the many errors you introduce into discussions. It thus serves as an excellent reason for completely discounting anything you have to say whenever you seek to make a 'contribution'.

If you want to be taken seriously as a 'player' in online discussions, get your facts right.

If you don't know then ASK, don't ASSUME!


Mark A. Baker

 

[lkwdblds]

Hey, Lakey.....the Bad Seed wants to influence you right out of your own thread. Seems like lately she has a problem with the continuation of the most powerful thread on ESMB, which you started and have continued, along with some others, as well as a problem with your continuing to post here.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...e=2&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:8&biw=802&bih=417

Above - The Bad Seed

Thanks for the support FoTi. You are a sweetheart! Yes, The Bad Seed, I mean "ItoldyouIwastrouble" says the other threads are becomming afraid of our power. So far, I plan on staying but its getting a little hot and heavy for me over here now. My style of posting has rubbed some people the wrong way and they are venting their displeasure. I am not blamming them, some of their complaints are legit but damn it all, I don't want my freedom of speech compromised as long as I stay within acceptable bounds of good taste. If I stray outside those bounds, they can trash me with impunity.
Lakey

"Trouble", Tell Toady and Olska to knock off the double posting and telling their friends to come over here and post. It is Toady who is responsible for driving up our stats even higher. We are on track to get 2,000 hits today, triple our average and some of your friends are contributing to this.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Your opening sentences which I highlighted in red are in complete error. ...

See my post #11903 on the PRIOR PAGE and immediately following the post by Diana to which you are responding.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Mark, I do admire your patience.

I've given up on Lakey.

Hope somebody can explain to him what a double post is ...and is not

 

[Mark A. Baker]

...
And, God, I've tried to subtle with Lakey and gotten no results.

I think most people get that what I object to is this forum being used by some extremely few posters to try to keep people in the church staying in the church and making those recently out feel badly about getting out. ...

And I don't see this to be true at all, Toad.

No one here is 'pro-church'. Similarly, none here but acknowledge that Hubbard could be a Right Royal Bastard. And, those of us here who are 'pro-tech' to some degree also tend to be very open to improvements on 'standard tech' or alternate forms of tech or, as the church so elegantly puts it, 'squirrely'.

Ain't no 'purists' on this board neither. Purists won't come near this place nor, if they happen to chance upon it while exploring the internet, stick around long. ESMB is too heterogeneous for purists.


Mark A. Baker

 

[lkwdblds]

My Daughter has a degree in Psychology!

And, fellow posters, I ask you this :

Do you get your visiting family to look at what somebody said about you on a fucking chat board?

Or, in real life, do you run around sharing your online life ?

Which leads me to :

Is being online and what other posters say about you really the most important thing in you life?

Answers to above questions: Yes, Yes and No!

Brainiac, I mean Toady, my daughter has a degree in psychology and she knows me very well. I wanted to get the opinion of someone who knew me well and understood psychology well so I asked my daughter her opinion.

What is this, the thought police, do I have to get you to sign off a permission slip before I can do anything. Maybe I should turn in a CSW to you?

Actually, she thought that save for the drug history, which Olska said was likely but not always the case, my daughter thought her analysis was spot on. You should be happy about this.

It seems that no matter what I post, long or short post, serious or humorous post, a put down of you or a validation of you, nothing matters. If I post here on what you call my home thread or on Sharone's thread, that doesn't matter either. You just don't want me to post!

WHY IN THE HELL DOESN'T OLSKA DUE A PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATIION ON YOU?

I'll do one right know myself: I don't know if you are in denial but you have AD, arrested development because you act like a kid with your jokes. Your problem stems from some sort of addiction. Your AD started before you found Scientology and you came into Scientology hoping that they could handle it, which they couldn't.

You are strong on your 2D and do not have problems with women. You crave to be liked and attempt to achieve that with an excess of joke telling and acting like a "Country Bumpkin". You must always be right and if anyone disagrees with you or seems more powerful than you, then you must dead agent them and get them to leave.

Their is your psychiatric profile, I will send you my bill in the mail.
Lakey

 

[Auditor's Toad]

And I don't see this to be true at all, Toad.

No one here is 'pro-church'. Similarly, none here but acknowledge that Hubbard could be a Right Royal Bastard. And, those of us here who are 'pro-tech' to some degree also tend to be very open to improvements on 'standard tech' or alternate forms of tech or, as the church so elegantly puts it, 'squirrely'.

Ain't no 'purists' on this board neither. Purists won't come near this place or, if they happen to chance upon it while exploring the internet, stick around long. ESMB is too heterogeneous for purists.


Mark A. Baker

Did you watch the videos over on the Candy Swanson about Hubbard thread ?

 

[Mark A. Baker]

... So, FoTi, can I die happy with my coffee? Please?

R

Back when I was a sailor I had an able bodied seaman working for me who was something of a 'card'. He used to say he wanted to leave this world the way he came in, naked and between some woman's legs.


Mark A. Baker
p.s. I know, I know. Naughty Mark. Must spank.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Yes, that is exactly what good, effective auditing does.

Given the changing tech, pc's sit down with different definitions in mind, and different expectations. The metaphor of clearing a bank of charge and blowing charge gives the impression that charge is simply blown away. Or, earlier in Dianetics, charge is moved to the analytical mind. My point is, we are surrounded by life. We ARE life. We communicate with each other. We mis communicate. We violate each others' expectations, goals, purposes, and do other things during the give and take of life force.

Today, I am who I am because of my participation in Scientology and adherence to Hubbard's written and spoken words. That gave me a tremendous boost in life and an orientation that I find useful to this day. On the other hand, Hubbard was a pathological liar and a vane, self-centered old fuck.

In 1989 I was in the process of rejecting everything that Hubbard said or wrote. Ultimately, that was not helpful. I could have rejected everything, all the info, everything I did personally and every win I witnessed in pc's sitting three feet in front of my face. Then what?

I say, I could have... But there was no denying, for me, the truth of my experience. Slowly I picked up a piece of tech here, a piece there examining each piece to determine if it were shit or Shinola. I am still sorting. Some things that I originally accepted as the real Shinola turned out on second examination to be the shit that I would not want on my shoes.

My task now is to reexamine the things I learned in Scientology for the third and fourth times, determine where Hubbard inserted a twist to satisfy his self-interest and -importance, then communicate my findings to anyone who will listen.

That thing about charge, in Scientology it is gotten rid of to the glee of ignorant, trusting pc's. There is a thrill to getting rid of stuff. "Wee!" F/N, VGI's. In some instances this type of EP turns out to be a lessening of responsibility, not an acceptance of more. The more trust the gleeful or the dedicated place in Hubbard the further in the trap they get.

As for me, I accept what comes my way, manage, align, or realign, then grow stronger. Not all life force is easily converted. Discernment and decisions have to be made. What is the ROI if I invest time, energy, effort, life force in this person, place, thing? It's an OT process, and it doesn't come easy.

Mark A. Baker

 

[lkwdblds]

Yes, I saw that you corrected the error.

See my post #11903 on the PRIOR PAGE and immediately following the post by Diana to which you are responding.


Mark A. Baker

Yes, I saw that you took care of the error.
Lakey

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Back when I was a sailor I had an able bodied seaman working for me who was something of a 'card'. He used to say he wanted to leave this world the way he came in, naked and between some woman's legs.
Mark A. Baker

AKA : Ideal Scene