Clay Pigeon
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PUH-leeze PitsyLook in the mirror to see the Devil's Advocate.
I got stuck with the somewhat ill-fitting "Apologist" label
You are in the "Devil's Advocate" role advocating AGAINST Elron...
PUH-leeze PitsyLook in the mirror to see the Devil's Advocate.
My point I made to which you are responding wasn't about YOU."Promise her anything but give her Arpege"
I was only promised the training
The training was delivered
I was and am more than satisfied with the result.
And YOU!!!
Have a MAJOR QUESTION awaiting you on the "100 Lies" thread
Please respond.
The "Apologist" label isn't ill-fitting. You admittedly fit the dictionary definition of "Ron's Apologist". That would make the label a perfect fit.PUH-leeze Pitsy
I got stuck with the somewhat ill-fitting "Apologist" label
You are in the "Devil's Advocate" role advocating AGAINST Elron...
They still have many customers who are satisfied with their results.My point I made to which you are responding wasn't about YOU.
It is about the services that CoS delivers. It does not deliver what's promised, not even close.
Charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for the "Bridge" when the "Bridge" doesn't deliver the promised abilities is fraud.
Pitsy me boy...The "Apologist" label isn't ill-fitting. You admittedly fit the dictionary definition of "Ron's Apologist". That would make the label a perfect fit.
Most Christians that I know of would also literally label you as a "Devil's Advocate" as well, and believe that you are advocating for the Devil.
Advocating AGAINST Elron would be the opposite of the "Devil's Advocate".
They still have many customers who are satisfied with their results.
So long as they actually deliver standard auditing and training I'm not agreeing to a charge of fraud
My team lost in spectacular fashion.Well Pitsy, I ain't got a horse in the race so you have my best wishes for the team of your choice...
In fact, as one of America's top sports wizards I'll cosmodweezil a Brodietobrady whammy in the general direction of your favored team. May they win in spectacular fashion...
CP...what you don't seem to get is that standard auditing and training DOES NOT DELIVER THE RESULTS OF WHAT IS PROMISED. IT IS FRAUD!!!!!They still have many customers who are satisfied with their results.
So long as they actually deliver standard auditing and training I'm not agreeing to a charge of fraud
He put forth that if people did the training and auditing to go up the Bridge that they would reach Full OT and Total Freedom. Nobody ever got that...Nobody. He lied to e-v-e-r-y-b-o-d-y. The people who are still in are still trying to get there....it won't happen....it can't.....Scientology doesn't have the tech to get there.....they are still lying to everyone. After 67 years of auditing there are still NO OTs.
I got a batting average as a sports wizard. it ain't 1.000 but it's pretty damn impressiveMy team lost in spectacular fashion.
But nice of you to demonstrate the lack of OT abilities.
A doughnut has a hole sweetheart...CP...what you don't seem to get is that standard auditing and training DOES NOT DELIVER THE RESULTS OF WHAT IS PROMISED. IT IS FRAUD!!!!!
People pay their money to Scientology.....they get standard auditing and training from LRH tech. Nobody ever gets THE RESULTS OF what was promised. Many spend years and years and most of their money to try to get what was promised and they never get it because it isn't possible with the tech that LRH put forth for them to supposedly get there. If it was, nobody would have left. There is no Bridge to OT in Scientology....there never was.
It was a con game for LRH to make a lot of money, control as many people as he could, without them realizing that he was doing it, and to make himself famous. He put forth that if people did the training and auditing to go up the Bridge that they would reach Full OT and Total Freedom. Nobody ever got that...Nobody. He lied to e-v-e-r-y-b-o-d-y. The people who are still in are still trying to get there....it won't happen....it can't.....Scientology doesn't have the tech to get there.....they are still lying to everyone. After 67 years of auditing there are still NO OTs.
LRH perpetrated a fraud on society. And Miscavige and his staff are just continuing to promote the same fraud.
Yes, some people had wins and gains from some of the tech, but never THE RESULTS that were promised per the Grade Chart. LRH made BIG PROMISES which he couldn't fulfill.....he faked it to achieve his own goals....money, power, and fame. As long as he could fool people into thinking that he knew what he was talking about, and that they would eventually make it to Full OT and Total Freedom, he could keep making money, gaining power and becoming more famous. He was a clever fellow in terms of putting one over on people. He was "selling the Brooklyn Bridge".
A doughnut has a hole sweetheart...
What the tech don't do is the hole.
What it DOES do is still pretty damn good
in 2001 my Patriots were known as "the Patsies" and they had never won a Super BowlIt's a shame that 68 years after the publication of Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, still not ONE Clear as Hubbard described it in that book has been created yet. Still not a single OT has been created either.
If you ever do come across one though, Chris Shelton would like to know about it, and has offered to retire as a critic, taking down his YouTube channel, his book, etc.
I've seen people do some amazing things during my life, some of what many regarded as impossible, and guess what? Not one was a Scientologist.in 2001 my Patriots were known as "the Patsies" and they had never won a Super Bowl
Before the Super Bowl against the Rams I augured a sixth round QB to win an unprecedented FIVE!!!
A couple years ago in SPECTACULAR and unprecedented fashion he won his fifth.
I can't package what I do any way that will satisfy Chris or Randi or you but I've done it
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WAS CANCER RESEARCH AFTER MY BEST FRIEND DIED OF CANCER AND IN 2007 I CAME UP WITH A THEORY THAT WAS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A NEW WAY OF EARLY CANCER DIAGNOSIS AND IN 2010 MASS GENERAL HOSPITAL VERIFIED MY THEORY AND PRODUCED THE EXACT EARLY DIAGNOSIS TEST I HAD PREDICTED
And no one at Mass General has ever heard of me nor will I ever receive any grant money or gratitude only razzing as a deluded old fart but I don't care PISS ON ME JUST AS HARD AS YOU WANT TO for claiming I made an "OT" postulate stick what I did will still save lives
Maybe even yours...
I postulated that you would post this exact thing just 30 minutes before you did!I'm sure we've all had strange things happen in our lives that we could say were a result of "OT abilities". But if they really were "abilities" then we should be able to demonstrate them. If we can't then they're not "abilities". That's my humble opinion.
I was using a bit of a different definition than you, one that would fit better when you consider this information from L. Ron Hubbard Jr. (AKA Ronald DeWolf):The term Devil's Advocate comes from the Canonization process where the prospective saint is subject to scrutiny and the D.A. claims the soul for the devil rather than for God. You are Devil's Advocate claiming Hubbard for the Devil and his angels
YEAH!!!I've seen people do some amazing things during my life, some of what many regarded as impossible, and guess what? Not one was a Scientologist.
And these stories you tell where you purport to use OT abilities are irrelevant as you never received the OT Levels, Superpower Rundown, etc, so how would any of those alleged abilities have anything to do with the application of Scientology?
You want to see an amazing feat? Follow the progress of Ben Lecomte, non-Scientologist, non-OT, as he is about to swim across the Pacific Ocean, 5500 miles: https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Six-months-5-500-miles-One-ocean-Ben-Lecomte-12941171.php
There are others who perform mental feats just as amazing, also non-Scientologists.
If Scientology converts wogs into Homo Novis, giving them amazing abilities shouldn't we be hearing about them in the news on a regular basis?
And what many critics don't realize is LRH Jr is not a highly reliable sourceI was using a bit of a different definition than you, one that would fit better when you consider this information from L. Ron Hubbard Jr. (AKA Ronald DeWolf):
[bcolor=#ffff99]Junior, later known as Ronald DeWolf, said he was born two and a half months early (weighing just two pounds, two ounces) as the result of a failed abortion by his father. After the death of Aleister Crowley, a famous English Occultist who considered himself the Antichrist, Hubbard decided he should "wear the cloak of the beast" and thought of himself as the devil incarnate, according to DeWolf.
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[bcolor=#ffff99]"What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is just black magic spread out over a long time," DeWolf told Penthouse.[/bcolor]
Full Article: http://www.businessinsider.com/l-ron-hubbard-jr-interview-in-penthouse-2015-4