Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

[Veda]

-snip-


[*]Rathbun is doing this in exchange for money or other rewards. Certainly possible, though CSI isn't usually this subtle. Having Rathbun make a deal to issue his own videos attacking other critics and DA himself is a little more sophisticated than the usual CSI attack ad strategy. If this was the case, I'd expect Rathbun to issue videos praising Miscavige, taking back everything he's said, etc. CSI is usually all or nothing, not net weight. CSI isn't the "we admit a few small mistakes, but overall" - rather they're the "we are 100% perfect" sort, and this doesn't quite fit that model.

-snip-

This isn't supposed to be regarded as Scientology, it's supposed to regarded as Marty Rathbun, a former member, criticizing critics of Scientology.

Scientology is both overt (which is what you seem to expect), and covert.

The average rank and file Scientologist doesn't fully understand covert as it's his place to be a smooth ball bearing in the Scientology machine, but Scientology, by design, is clandestine.

 

[Martin-O]

This isn't supposed to be regarded as Scientology, it's supposed to regarded as Marty Rathbun, a former member, criticizing critics of Scientology.[snip]

... so that the Rathbun videos can be used as an "independent source of information" for the upcoming special edition of "Freedom magazine" or any new or current hate sites on Ortega, Remini, etc.

They did the filming at some lawyer's office. Rathbun knew what Scientology wished him to say. He delivered. He put it up on his own youtube channel and his blog. And now the organization can use it as fodder for their own internal and external propaganda.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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https://youtu.be/8vfSazTH8is

"I don't watch Reality TV."
- Marty Rathbun​

Hmmmm. That's a rather fascinating fact, Marty. . .

Because for the past 8 years, you've continuously been producing, directing and starring in your own web-based Reality TV show:

-- Because you have been chronicling & memorializing your every move in your blog that meticulously recorded your every post, feeling, thought, action, interview, legal encounter, book and comment!

-- And, even that was not enough "Reality TV" for you--because you simultaneously participated in the Reality media productions of so many others (e.g. others' blogs, TV shows, Interviews, books, videos, documentaries, et al)​

When all of that played out, you started yet another Reality Show by attacking all of the above people and facts; and attacking yourself as well. And you love the Reality TV medium so dearly that you are now releasing dozens of video episodes of your new show called "GOING CLEAR".

But, in all this grand plan, Marty, you seemed to have entirely missed the point of "Reality TV". That it is based on "Reality". This explains why you stated "I don't watch Reality TV". Because, fundamentally, you not only don't watch reality, you don't participate in reality either. Propaganda, lies, dead agenting and character assassination are not "reality"; it's either mental illness or criminality--or a combination of both.

Marty, that's why the world is laughing at your "reality show", mistakenly thinking its a goofy sit com. If you simply added a laugh track to your videos, it might help your ratings--because viewers would then know when to laugh.

 

[Lulu Belle]

... so that the Rathbun videos can be used as an "independent source of information" for the upcoming special edition of "Freedom magazine" or any new or current hate sites on Ortega, Remini, etc.

They did the filming at some lawyer's office. Rathbun knew what Scientology wished him to say. He delivered. He put it up on his own youtube channel and his blog. And now the organization can use it as fodder for their own internal and external propaganda.

Technically, it looks like Scientology now actually owns the blog.

If you look it up, the owner is anonymous (suspect in and of itself), but it was bought on exactly the same day the church renewed their ownership of some other sites. Previous, it was just a Wordpress page and not an owned domain.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

. . .
Another leaker has leaked
this interesting behind the
scenes snapshot . . . .

:wink2:
​

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I wonder how much light it would shed on Marty's action if a person could follow the money.

I'm talking about the money that financed Marty since when he left the hole up until now. Was there a financier change just prior to each time Marty changed direction in his blog?
I'm sure the chances of gaining this information would be as nearly as impossible as getting Marty to simply explain why he changed without any embellishment to appease the ego. Could there be, even now, those who "help him out" not attached to the official cos that this narrative is important to holding up their world view?

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It sounds reasonable. But, very unfortunately, "following the money" would be a very inaccurate and bad way to evaluate and make sense of Marty Rathbun's activities.

Because that would reveal proof that Marty is a lying whore. Which is not good. Because Marty has already r-factored us that he is not a lying whore. But, I am not just accepting his word, please read on for compelling corroborative facts.

Marty has officially gone on record that he is not a lying whore, but instead a valiantly courageous philosopher and humanitarian warrior--with unassailable integrity, ethics, honor, valor and insouciance. And Marty stated those facts with VGIs and total certainty--whilst not blinking and the meter confirming an F/N.

Now that "following the money" has been scientifically debunked, I am greatly disappointed, but hopeful we might one day find another way of determining Marty's intentions.

 

[Veda]

... so that the Rathbun videos can be used as an "independent source of information" for the upcoming special edition of "Freedom magazine" or any new or current hate sites on Ortega, Remini, etc.

They did the filming at some lawyer's office. Rathbun knew what Scientology wished him to say. He delivered. He put it up on his own youtube channel and his blog. And now the organization can use it as fodder for their own internal and external propaganda.

Here's an example of what you describe.

"Bernie" - "Another look at Scientology" - is a fake critic who attempts to discredit real critics. His web site is old and dated but still up and running. As far as I know, Bernie's still active, back channel.

Below is a link to a $cientology disinformation site called Scientology Myths.

Amongst other things, and like the Bernie site, it lies about, and continues to attack, Paulette Cooper. The first attempt at framing Cooper for making "bomb threats," in 1972 ('Operation Dynamite'), did succeed, resulting in her indictment by a Grand Jury. It came very close to destroying her life.

The second attempt to have her put in a mental institution or jail was interrupted by complications resulting from the unraveling of the Snow White Guardian's Office program later in 1976 - an unraveling that led to the FBI raids of July 1977.

An, yet, they write at Scientology Myths:

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.scientologymyths.info/operation-freakout

Scientology Myths even links to the 'Bernie' site, another covert Scientology cult site, but a "perimeter defense" operation, pretending to be a "reasonable critic" site. Notice the link is at the end of the piece under "One of them is here." "Here" is in red in the above link.

So Scientology does this sort of thing, and it's fully in accordance with Hubbard's Scientology covert Intelligence tech.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

. . .
Veda, how does The Wise Old Goat site of Michel Snoeck fit into all this?

Is that a a fake critic site as well? Never could figure it out.

 

[survivalist]

This isn't supposed to be regarded as Scientology, it's supposed to regarded as Marty Rathbun, a former member, criticizing critics of Scientology.

Scientology is both overt (which is what you seem to expect), and covert.

... so that the Rathbun videos can be used as an "independent source of information" for the upcoming special edition of "Freedom magazine" or any new or current hate sites on Ortega, Remini, etc.

Below is a link to a $cientology disinformation site called Scientology Myths.

I'd forgotten Scientology Myths! That site is a classic...just enough "neutral" language to sound legit, but party line all the way.

Veda and Martin-O, you make a great case and it's hard to argue with your logic.

I hope my life never goes so wrong that people are discussing on the internet whether I've gone insane or sold out.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Oh! Marty's research has discovered that Leah Remini is a "narcissist".

This is extremely helpful, so that nobody gets tripped up by Leah's campaign to expose Scientology's lies, human rights atrocities, terrorism and criminal black ops--and to give the cult's victims a voice.

Marty doesn't like that. In fact, he is so incensed that anyone would dare expose the sociopathic cult's treachery--he's been inspired to produce dozens of dead agent attack videos (which prove by their very existence that everything Leah is saying is obviously true).

But, no. Marty claims that intrepid whistleblower Leah is a "narcissist". Shall we take a closer look at Rathbun's goon-craft?

Narcissistic Traits

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

• Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
• Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
• Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
• Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
• Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
• Requires excessive admiration
• Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
• Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
• Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.

Lovely Leah? Seriously? LOL

Is there even one (1) of those traits that doesn't describe Rathbun to a "T"?

That was "T" as in OT (Operating Thug).

 

[J. Swift]

Go to :29 seconds where Marty Rathbun dramatically swears to ABC's Martin Bashear that he was either going to put out David Miscavige's lights for good or leave. (DRAMATIC PAUSE; CUE WAGNERIAN MUSIC)

Based upon Professor Rathbun's new insights into reality television, we must conclude that Marty carefully scripted this ABC performance to achieve a maximum impact against David Miscavige. So here's the message Marty wants to convey in 2017: When Marty attacks Scientology and David Miscavige he alone is sincere; everyone else has impure motives for attacking Scientology. These impure motives therefore negate all attacks on Scientology. This is of course a non-sequitur, a laughably inane fallacy on Professor Rathbun's part, but given that Marty was hardwired for decades to engage in lying and Fair Game he finds all of this quite easy. It's just another day at the office, another day of blinkless TR's for the IG/RTC. Marty took a big payday from David Miscavige and this sort of lying is expected.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAFP6zyNYWE

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

. . .
Veda, how does The Wise Old Goat site of Michel Snoeck fit into all this?

Is that a a fake critic site as well? Never could figure it out.

Yeah, I always scratched my (thetan's) head when reading those demented "critic" sites, that were really just OSA's pathetic WordClowning Goonery.

I never had a question about WHY they set up those morons in a lame attempt to "debunk" (dead agent) the truthful whistleblowers.

My question was only this: Is "Bernie" (or Joel Phillips of "Religious Freedom Watch", or other cult shills) really a believer? Is that why they are spewing demented, non-stop propaganda lies? Or are they severely mentally ill fringe-dwellers that are simply easy to manipulate by the cult?

And, once that's answered, I still wonder--is there really any discernible difference between the two?

 

[Karen#1]

Dropping in to debunk more fabrications and fraudulence.

Lois Residorf was a senior messenger...Apollo days. Her son Brandon was spoken of in Attack Leah Remini by Rathbun video #2.
Brandon was a staff member at San Diego Org. (3rd generation, his grandparents were the founders of the biggest Scn outfit in South Africa...they are still in and long since disconnected from Lois and family) Brandon was co-erced to give $60,000 as a donation to the cult. As a Staff member ! This was for future debt, he did not have $$$.
With his brother Craig manipulated to disconnect from him, and now owing $60,000 and mind crushing 2 years of Objective processing ~~ 800 hours of it~~~~ Brandon had a meltdown.

In the meltdown, Brandon drove 2 hours from San Diego to Los Angeles and through a hammer through window of LA Day Org. Caught on camera, the cult made this the crime of the week and Brandon now has criminal record. "Vandalising a place of worship."
WORSHIP ???????
Marty tried to pin this on Mike Rinder in Video #2 of attacks on Leah and Mike.
Note how Marty omitted the $60,000 co-erced extortion and 800 hours of mind numbing objectives immediately prior to the hammer incident. The cult still is enjoying the $60,000 while pressing charges on him as a criminal. No refund of that !

Lois posted this in Facebook Group "Outer Banks" and I got her permission to cross post.​

Lois Reisdorf feeling disgusted.
22 mins

So sorry but I am going to go on a bit of a rant here. I just listened to Marty's Part 2 and it is now personal for me! Brandon Reisdorf did NOT have any contact with Mike Rinder or Leah Remini prior to throwing the hammer! In fact, he was still being a scn'st even tho he had left prior to him having a breakdown - also fact, he had hardly read anything on the internet by that time and especially not Leah's book. When Gary and I started filming with A&E there was NO plan for Brandon to even be on the show - he was in recovery from his breakdown. It was MUCH later that he made the decision to be on the show and they filmed his part MUCH later.Marty also says he threw a brick thru the window intending to harm someone and that is also NOT true - it was done at 2am in the morning into the the front window on LA Org when NOBODY was there. I just needed to set the record straight and vent to you all.​

 

[Veda]

. . .
Veda, how does The Wise Old Goat site of Michel Snoeck fit into all this?

Is that a a fake critic site as well? Never could figure it out.

You just revived my memory of an array of suspicious wackos, all of whom were/are protective, in some fashion, of Hubbard/Scientology. This is sometimes called the "PTS type 3" Org, in other words, the crazy people Org.

The idea is that there are "crazy" people that Scientology Inc. - through a third party - finds useful.

Whether Michel Snoeck is part of this group, I don't know.

Wise Old Goat posted on various forums, including on ESMB, as Roadrunner. All his posts are still here.

His Wise Old Goat site has a lot of information, and this can be impressive. Usually, though, it leads to some bizarre conclusion.

 

[Free Being Me]

There's a new tell all book out ....

 

[Intelligence]

Good guess on 37... or even more, IMO.

Perhaps the question should be.... will he stop here or does he have more targets in the near future?

Wouldn't surprise me if there is more...

Sadly, he indeed has more targets as I suspected.

1) FIRST: Going Clear - up to Part 21 thus far...

2) SECOND: Leah Remini and her Troublemakers...

Mmm... just a thought:

The Antisocial Personality:

There are certain characteristics and mental attitudes which cause about 20 percent of a race to oppose violently any betterment activity or group. (Marty opposing groups that expose Scientology for the betterment of society). Such people make trouble for others.

The antisocial cannot finish a cycle of action: (Marty drops lawsuit for no reason.)

They have no sense of correct causation and particularly cannot feel any sense of remorse or shame.

One sign of an antisocial personality is that he deals mainly in critical or hostile remarks, invalidation and general suppression.

Suppressive Person:

Suppressive Person seeks to upset, continuously undermine, spread bad news about and denigrate...

Is Marty a 'Potential Trouble Source'? Not for those who see him for what he really is or what he is doing. Perhaps his Cheese has slid off his cracker and melted? Perhaps he's receiving brown envelopes covered in blood, with more to come? What I and many others see, is someone who is exposing his own lies, for whatever reason, making a fool of himself, and it appears obvious that he is not doing this alone in a professional studio.

What he has done, is attract many people to reading countless pages on blogs, waste time viewing these videos, and divert attention and effort away from exposing Scientology.

In my opinion, he's quite a sick person in need of professional, psychiatric assessment.

We're in a new STATS week now with 80 users reading this Thread as of now...

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Isn't this just about the point in his career when Rathbun is not only demonstrating his video propaganda genius (like Ron!), he is now ready to advance to the next stage. . .

Rathbun the Music Maker!

Remember Ron's POWER OF SOURCE album? Wall to wall, smash hit songs! (Marty, it's easy, just apply the condition Power Change--and follow all of Ron's successful actions!)

 

[Gib]

I think Marty and the few that post on his blog wishing to "save scientology" as a religion, not George White, ought to word clear and clay demo this lecture by Hubbard. Hopefully they reach the EP of Hubbard = delusional = scientology.

https://rutube.ru/video/465ebe29c4e8e88e439faea0adc80211/?ref=logo

http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/17/ra...th-scientologys-space-cooties/comment-page-1/

edit to add:

just in case anybody who listens to the lecture, about the 3 minutes into it Mary sue and Hubbard say things like raising tone, this indicates they were using the Volney Emeter, here's a picture:

image source: https://cientonetica.wordpress.com/tag/e-meter/

 

[anonomog]

Over the years the good people of exes and critics have excused or diverted the impact of truly awful behaviour by saying he was damaged by the cult, protecting loved ones or recounting ways of how he has helped or been a friend, mental illness. All of which could be valid. But it speaks more of the normal empathetic humanity of the people around him and unfortunately gives him an easy out.

Is there any vocal, visible critic who hasn't been threatened? Or exhausted by harassment? How many have been fearful for losing their family?
Which ex hasn't been psychologically scarred by the cult? How many willingly offer support and time to those struggling and would probably be embarrassed at being called a hero for doing so.
How many of them have consistently demeaned other exes for years? How many have conveniently forgotten human decency completely because they were deep in a cult for decades? Damn few. In fact I have seen an exceptional amount of kindness and graciousness when the opposite would be expected. It isnt an excuse. Sure people are injured in their own way and some tolerance given individually. But unless it is reality that someone is unable to control themselves at all there are limits.
It is normal to get petty bickering in any group and normal for people to support one another.

The evil for me, is when someone is so self motivated that any behaviour goes, anyone can be hurt without thought and any benefit to others is simply an incidental by product. Would Marty have helped anyone if there wasn't something in the long or short game, for him?

It feels wrong to excuse any of it however much our humanity wants to, to try and find a noble or acceptable reason. Sometimes there isn't any except an unbelievable darkness of spirit.

Marty is fascinating because his twisted games and drama are there for all to see. It has always only been a game with the goal of a sole victor. The question is what is the spoils? Perceived power or money?

 

[Glenda]

Over the years the good people of exes and critics have excused or diverted the impact of truly awful behaviour by saying he was damaged by the cult, protecting loved ones or recounting ways of how he has helped or been a friend, mental illness. All of which could be valid. But it speaks more of the normal empathetic humanity of the people around him and unfortunately gives him an easy out.

Is there any vocal, visible critic who hasn't been threatened? Or exhausted by harassment? How many have been fearful for losing their family?
Which ex hasn't been psychologically scarred by the cult? How many willingly offer support and time to those struggling and would probably be embarrassed at being called a hero for doing so.
How many of them have consistently demeaned other exes for years? How many have conveniently forgotten human decency completely because they were deep in a cult for decades? Damn few. In fact I have seen an exceptional amount of kindness and graciousness when the opposite would be expected. It isnt an excuse. Sure people are injured in their own way and some tolerance given individually. But unless it is reality that someone is unable to control themselves at all there are limits.
It is normal to get petty bickering in any group and normal for people to support one another.

The evil for me, is when someone is so self motivated that any behaviour goes, anyone can be hurt without thought and any benefit to others is simply an incidental by product. Would Marty have helped anyone if there wasn't something in the long or short game, for him?

It feels wrong to excuse any of it however much our humanity wants to, to try and find a noble or acceptable reason. Sometimes there isn't any except an unbelievable darkness of spirit.

Marty is fascinating because his twisted games and drama are there for all to see. It has always only been a game with the goal of a sole victor. The question is what is the spoils? Perceived power or money?

May I?