AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
I believe they were talking about David Mayo, no?
oops, better I go and have that 1st cup of coffee. Apologises
I believe they were talking about David Mayo, no?
oops, better I go and have that 1st cup of coffee. Apologises
Mr Franks, Why now? What made you decide to speak up about this?
Good question. Why now, Bill?
[Extract from "Information Disease: Have Cults created a New Mental
Illness?" by Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman. Science Digest January 1982
pp86-92]
"A very effective thought control technique could also be worked out from
Scientology, which could be used to make individuals into willing slaves."
-L Ron Hubbard
[description of the authors' research into the long term effects of
involvement with various cults]
Two groups in particular showed signs of inflicting the most
severe physical, mental and emotional harm on their members: the Hare
Krishna and the Church of Scientology. Among all groups, Krishna and
Scientology tied with the Unification Church in reports of physical
deprivation. Their members reported getting the least sleep per night and
having the most deficient daily diet.
...
The rituals of the Church of Scientology bear little resemblance
to those of any other cult. With its extensive program of "training
regimens" and expensive "auditing" counseling, Scientology operates
successfully as both religion and mass-marketed therapy. According to
those who responded to our survey, however, Scientology's may be the most
debilitating set of rituals of any cult in America. Onetime Scientologists
who answered our questionnaire reported that it took them, on the average,
more than two years (26 months) before they felt fully rehabilitated- more
than *twice* the time of those from other major cults [Hare Krishna: 11.1
months, Divine Light Mission: 12.3 months].
Moreover, former Scientologists surpassed all others in reported
incidents of physical punishment while in the group (35 percent) and, upon
departure, they claimed the highest rates of sexual dysfunction (22
percent), violent outbursts (28 percent) [average is 14 percent],
hallucinations and delusions (28 percent) [average is also 14 percent] and
suicidal or self-destructive tendencies (44 percent) [average is 21%]. On
average, former Scientologists surveyed reported more than *twice* the
combined negative effects of all the other cult groups.
Ironically, although claiming the most severe long-term effects,
former Scientologists surveyed reported the *lowest* total of hours
per week spent in ritual and indoctrination. This apparent discrepancy
seems to support opinions we have expressed earlier that, in combination,
Scientology's training regimens and "auditing" counseling sessions
(conducted on an E-meter, a kind of crude lie detector) may have an
intensifying and compounding effect on the nervous system that goes beyond
that of simpler cult rituals. And that, *hour for hour, Scientology's
techniques may be more than twice as damaging as those of any other major
cult in America!* In our view, this could be a vital direction for further
research by scientists working in the field of neurophysiology.
"The overall impact? Devastating!" wrote one ex-member. "I still
tend to view the world in Scientological terms: 'Truth is only an
illusion.' 'People are robots.' 'People are basically insane and dangerous.'"
Another was even more bitter: "The only thing I got out of this scam was
deep suicidal depression coinciding with the fear of death within five
years after separation. We were told that ninety percent of all 'refund
cases' eventually commit suicide."
And it is ludicrous to believe that Scientology either:
1) Knows the reason people blow.
2) Could do anything about it even if they did know the reason.
EXAMPLE (true one): Before I left the Sea Org I got a review and it ended up with the Green Form.
'Continuously Committing Present Time Overts' is what read--and was taken up with the L & N "WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PREVENT?"
My LFBD F/N item was: "Restimulation from Scientology".
Now what, technophiles?
Whadyagonnadonow?
------everything above this is true------
Oh my goodness. It's just so basic.
Bottom line is that people don't like paying an organization to treat them like crap, mishandle them, degrade and invalidate them or treat them like second class citizens. They didn't become part of a religion to be lorded over.
In the real world, that's why they have "Customer Care Reps" and "Suggestion Boxes" and "How are we Doing? Surveys" and "Client Retention Programs" and, and, and.....
When I tried to leave aol (7 years ago), they actually made it impossible. I still use aol. They gave it to me for free! They begged me and gave me the red carpet to stay.
If aol had used the church model they would have blamed me for their shitty service and made me pay for an upgrade that didn't do anything while they had covert agents call all the other Internet service providers to tell them what a deadbeat I am.
The C of S has horrible "customer care" built right into the tech. It is a joke. Forget about O/Ws and ARCX...It's just common f--king sense.
Oh my goodness. It's just so basic.
Bottom line is that people don't like paying an organization to treat them like crap, mishandle them, degrade and invalidate them or treat them like second class citizens. They didn't become part of a religion to be lorded over.
In the real world, that's why they have "Customer Care Reps" and "Suggestion Boxes" and "How are we Doing? Surveys" and "Client Retention Programs" and, and, and.....
When I tried to leave aol (7 years ago), they actually made it impossible. I still use aol. They gave it to me for free! They begged me and gave me the red carpet to stay.
If aol had used the church model they would have blamed me for their shitty service and made me pay for an upgrade that didn't do anything while they had covert agents call all the other Internet service providers to tell them what a deadbeat I am.
The C of S has horrible "customer care" built right into the tech. It is a joke. Forget about O/Ws and ARCX...It's just common f--king sense.
Well, the instructions on the XGF show something like this:
First, L/N - What are you trying to prevent? and R3R the item out. Second, 2wc committing continuous overts to EP.
We might have to do a "who or what would represent Restimulation from Scientology" to get the item to erase.
Well, the instructions on the XGF show something like this:
First, L/N - What are you trying to prevent? and R3R the item out. Second, 2wc committing continuous overts to EP.
We might have to do a "who or what would represent Restimulation from Scientology" to get the item to erase.
Oh my goodness. It's just so basic.
Bottom line is that people don't like paying an organization to treat them like crap, mishandle them, degrade and invalidate them or treat them like second class citizens. They didn't become part of a religion to be lorded over.
In the real world, that's why they have "Customer Care Reps" and "Suggestion Boxes" and "How are we Doing? Surveys" and "Client Retention Programs" and, and, and.....
When I tried to leave aol (7 years ago), they actually made it impossible. I still use aol. They gave it to me for free! They begged me and gave me the red carpet to stay.
If aol had used the church model they would have blamed me for their shitty service and made me pay for an upgrade that didn't do anything while they had covert agents call all the other Internet service providers to tell them what a deadbeat I am.
The C of S has horrible "customer care" built right into the tech. It is a joke. Forget about O/Ws and ARCX...It's just common f--king sense.
I think this post is not by Bill Franks and that the last think Bill Franks would want is to be involved in anything scientology. The OP posted this on 3 separate threads with 3 variations in the title. Looks like spam to me.
Pls read the below:
Bill Franks to Dresher (from Lisa case)
From: "Jeff Jacobsen" <[email protected]>
Subject: Bill Franks to Dresher (from Lisa case)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:14:09 -0000
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Dresher & Dreshery P.C.
23679 Calabasas Road
PMB 338
Calabasas, California 91302 - IS02
I
Dear Mr. Dresher, 23 May 02
Thank you for your letter, I appreciate the opportunity to correct some of the assumptions that you have made.
Firstly, you have thrown me into the category of anti-scientologist. I am not and have never been. I believe that Gerry Armstrong and others have made 2 life's career out of being an ex-scientologist. That does not apply to me and ample time has passed to prove my point. Since being asked to leave the church in late December of 1519 1 have made it a point., with an exception in the Christofferson case in Oregon in 85, to get on with things.
Since receiving the subpoena, I have done a little research as to who my predecessors were and find the names of Hana Eltringham Whitfield and Jesse Prince. Both these two have made a living at being ex scientologists. I have tried to stay away from anything that smells of such a "jihad".
Secondly, you are right in that I was served a subpoena, but you are wrong in saying that there was any "subterfuge" in this event. I was entrapped you might say and did not play any game so indicated. Factually, over the years, I have found myself coming to the Tampa/Clearwater area on business many many times- Your employers no doubt can vouch for this as about four years ago they chased me out of a public park opposite the Sand castle in Clearwater while sitting on the park bench making business calls.. Furthermore, when I received this subpoena, I was not a little pissed off and immediately drove to Dandees office to demand an explanation. As far as Greenway goes, I was discussing some real estate, or that is why I went to the restaurant I met her through Peter Alexander who I know you guys have a thing for, but believe me; It had no connection to whatever he is into.
Mr. Drescher, when Scientology and I parted ways twenty some odd years ago, a decision was made by me to go in a decidedly opposite direction. Consequently, I have limited my associations to people of non-scientology backgrounds. I do not have an ax to grind and do not want to be around those who do.
Finally, the subpoena was a surprise and indeed, I felt that I had been entrapped.
Suggestions that I am a party to this hearing that you mention or the Liebreich case- are far from the truth.
Ten years or so ago, I was subpoenaed in another one of these wacky suits.
I believe it was against the church and also Miscavage personally. Bent Corydon had me subpoenaed and I was advised that there was no legal remedy other than showing up. So I did indeed show at the depositions, however, my behavior and actions at the sessions, adequately displayed what I thought of the suits and the chicanery that got me into that situation of forcibly having to testify. So, Mr. Drescher, in twenty-one years I have avoided this kind of activity, with the above noted exception, why would I want to get into this now. You guys have proved the point that it is a loser to go against you in court or otherwise. Plus, I have no personal interest in it-absolutely none.
Thus I was not pulling your chain in my April note. Evidently, Dandar was telegraphing what he had in mind and had yet actually done- Furthermore., I have been so out of the church activities I do not know why I have been ordered to participate in this and I can't imagine what I could bring to the party.
When I received this subpoena I eventually got some legal advice other than ken Dandaft. I have been advised that I am now under court order. Since I have been doing business in Florida and have for some time I come down there with some frequency.
Do you have any suggestions? My indifference to this kind of movement against the church has been expressed dramatically over the years with my silence. I do not want to be involved.
This threat of yours just gives me another problem on top of the other one that Dandar has presented me with. I know you won't do it, but why don't you just throw some money at this thing and make it go away so that we can get back to better things. I am sorry for this young woman's fate, but there is no way that the church killed her or participated in her death. I don't know much about this case but I wonder why someone would try to pull me into such a case when I know that standard church procedure, as I knew it, would not have allowed this to happen. And that is all that I would have to say pertinent to this matter.
Bill Franks
P.S. I hope that the address label on your envelope to me is not indicative that I have made it to your mailing list.
www.lisamcpherson.org
http://www.holysmoke.org/lm/lm249.htm
ps: One can confirm with Bill Franks by contacting him through Facebook. He and his wife have Rinder as a friend. I may be wrong about him not wanting contact with anything scientology, now that I have seen facebook, but I still doubt he wrote this post and the 2 other identical ones with varying titles. He would just post it at Marty's blog if it really happened.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Franks/100001929720618
Synthia, very nice summary of the theme of this thread. It cuts right to the heart of the topic of why people leave an organization!
Nevertheless, in the case of C of S, there are so many interesting and incredible side issues present and it is full of anecdotes involving LRH, Franks, Mayo, DM and others.
To me understanding these anecdotes is interesting and entertaining but most of all it is informative and yields understanding. For those of us who were taken in by C of S and invested huge amounts of our time, energy and money to their cause, it is very helpful to really understand what scheme was used upon us to illicit so much of our support.
C of S seems to be imploding now and as the dust settles, the more we can understand the phenomena of what took place, the better off everyone will be, both the perpetrators, the victims and just observers who mainly want to understand what this furor is all about.
Lakey aka Gary