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I AM A CHRISTIAN SCIENTOLOGIST

To discuss things on a Message Board is not "confrontational" If I believe that it is not possible to be a Christian AND a Scientologist and I'm telling that to a person who is claiming exactly this - why is this "confrontational" ? What does this person exspect - what is his or her intention for starting this thread?

And in my opinion sometimes it is better to be "confrontational" in life.

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Markus

Never, in all the echoing corridors of time have I thought, suggested or posted that discussing things on a message board is intrinsically confrontational.

Perhaps you missed my response to Hoaxie where I said that some posts on this thread were confrontational and that others were not but were lively conversation- that both sorts of posts are here on this thread.
 
I don't believe it!

You guys have gone on for this many posts and NO ONE mentioned the fact that in the OT three story, It's taught that Jesus Christ is an implant? What is going on here? Are you guys still Scilons thinking you need to keep it secret?

Pip; You need to know the OT III story. It's a total lie that it will hurt you to read it before you do the level. Millions probably have without any harm but maybe a sore side from laughing.

The short version is Hubbard taught us that we are all possessed by dead alien thetans, called 'body thetans' sort of like the 'legion' guy in the new testament. You use the e-meter sort of like an electronic Ouija board to 'solo audit' which is really a misleading term, because you still have an auditor and a preclear; the body thetan! The idea is to get them to leave and go get their own body. Anyone with enough money always has thousands of these spiritual fleas.

Another major part of this teaching is the heresy that the whole story of Christ is nothing but an 'implant' done to these spirits when Xenu hypnotized them way back when. In other words, if you pursue Scientology to it's higher levels, you will have to completely deny Christ. You have to embrace the idea that your Christianity was nothing more than your OT III bank, and it needs to be 'cleared'.

Hubbard clearly taught this.
 
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Cool, and well done. Have you ever read HCOB 11 May AD 13, called "Heaven"?

There is a copy of it here: http://www.carolineletkeman.org/archives/1118

Here is an excerpt, but I suggest you read (and Understand) the whole thing:

Well, I have been to Heaven.

And I’ve found that Scientologists have been to Heaven.

And that everybody has evidently been to Heaven.

The Goals Problem Mass implants, which are the apparent basic source of aberration and human travail, which begin with the goal To Forget, were cynically done “in Heaven”.

For a long time, people have been cross with me for my lack of co-operation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God and Christ. I have never said I didn’t disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al. Now I have to apologize. There was a Heaven. Not too unlike, in cruel betrayal, the heaven of the Assassins in the 12th Century who, like everyone else, dramatized the whole track implants – if a bit more so.

Yes, I’ve been to Heaven. And so have you. And you have the pattern of its implants in the HCO Bulletin Line Plots. It was complete with gates, angels and plaster saints – and electronic implantation equipment. So there was a Heaven after all – which is why you are on this planet and were condemned never to be free again – until Scientology.

Before you went to Heaven you were not really very bad or very good, but you didn’t think you had lived only once and you had a good memory and knew who you were and enjoyed life. Afterwards —

The symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt indeed. It’s the symbol of a thetan betrayed.
 
Why should he give up? - Hmm.. Scientology did kill Lisa McPherson.. Even though she did not have leprosy!

See, instead of curing lepers, L.Ron Hubbard suggested to kill 'em all! -
"A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country."
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 171
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And we note that Hubbard made this suggestion at a time when Leprosy was curable!

Well, we're not too surprized that Hubbard boldly suggests genocide.. He recommends the same for people below 2.0 on the 'Tone Scale'.. Also he wouldn't reward downstats, like lepers, by curing them anyway.. Well, maybe if they had a lot of money he'd consider it.

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That's a very astute reference SP.

Pip said:
You don't give up do you ClamSource
Pip, I did say I could go all day pointing out reasons why Christianity and Scientology are incompatible, and the attempt can only make you apostate in both camps. Here's another.



Jesus told the parable of the Good Samaritan, where a charitable man feeds, clothes and cares for a complete stranger.

When Sea Orgers at the end of their lives have given all they can in labour and cash and are no longer useful, Scientology off loads them.

SP Heretic x9
 
Cool, and well done. Have you ever read HCOB 11 May AD 13, called "Heaven"?

There is a copy of it here: http://www.carolineletkeman.org/archives/1118

Here is an excerpt, but I suggest you read (and Understand) the whole thing:



Cool post Div6!

I am reprinting the entire "HEAVEN" bulletin because there are some other things that Hubbard says that succinctly reveal lies he later told about how Scientology welcomes and embraces Christianity. It proves Hubbard would say anything one moment and something quite contradictory the next, if it suited his deceptive game.

Remember when reading this (with the BOLD HIGHLIGHTS added) that Hubbard later claimed that Scientology was non-denominational. Scientologists still claim that until this very day.


HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF MAY 11, AD13​
Central Orgs,
Franchise

ROUTINE 3 HEAVEN​

Well, I have been to Heaven.

And I’ve found that Scientologists have been to Heaven.

And that everybody has evidently been to Heaven.

The Goals Problem Mass implants, which are the apparent basic source of aberration and human travail, which begin with the goal To Forget, were cynically done “in Heaven”.

For a long time, people have been cross with me for my lack of co-operation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God and Christ. I have never said I didn’t disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al. Now I have to apologize. There was a Heaven. Not too unlike, in cruel betrayal, the heaven of the Assassins in the 12th Century who, like everyone else, dramatized the whole track implants – if a bit more so.

Yes, I’ve been to Heaven. And so have you. And you have the pattern of its implants in the HCO Bulletin Line Plots. It was complete with gates, angels and plaster saints – and electronic implantation equipment. So there was a Heaven after all – which is why you are on this planet and were condemned never to be free again – until Scientology.

Before you went to Heaven you were not really very bad or very good, but you didn’t think you had lived only once and you had a good memory and knew who you were and enjoyed life. Afterwards —The symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt indeed. It’s the symbol of a thetan betrayed.

DATA​
Additional work and possible corrections need to be done but this is the gist of the matter:
The implants are electronic in nature and follow the pattern of the G.P.M.
The implant station existed on the order of magnitude of 43,000,000,000,000 years ago. (The dates may be part of the implants but do not appear so at this stage. However, a possibility of correction of dates is reserved).

Some have been through it once, some more than once.

The first time I arrived and the moment of the implant To Forget was dated at 43,891,832,611,177 years, 344 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes and 40 seconds from 10:02½ PM Daylight Greenwich Time May 9, 1963. The second series was dated to the moment of the implant To Forget as 42,681,459,477,315 years, 132 days, 18 hours, 20 minutes and 15 seconds from 11:02½ PM Daylight Greenwich Time May 9, 1963.

There are no earlier such implants. There are no later such implants.

I evidentally have a goal of my own at 305 Trillion (U.S.) years and an actual GPM, all of which pulled into this 43 Trillion year implant.

ADDITIONAL E-METER DATA
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Five goals in all may be common to both sequences. The first 3 of the 5 are the same. There are no implants as to time according to the meter. There are numbers in any implants, but dates rocket read. Implanting was done on a non-visible thetan, but arrival was in a ship in a doll body accoding to the meter. Star of Bethlehem, Pearly Gates, The Way out of the Universe, all of which RR on the meter, give a clue to recruitment actions.

There was no purpose in giving a particular thetan a particular goal. Planning had no individualization.

A preclear’s overts should be scouted as to why these implants keyed in, Fac 1, hypnotism, etc. But doubtful if any preclear did this type of implanting.

The mood is set that thetans are evil, treacherous and bad but this is all part of the implant, not factual.

The earliest point of the series is not known at this writing but possibly contains a recruitment through advertising. The departure point from the series is not fully known yet but probably just abandonment.

The implants were not done in a box or in some trick manner of projection. The scenery is actually there, common Mest Universe, space and matter and in the Mest Universe.

The first (43 Trillion) series consists of 29 implanted goals.

The second (42 Trillion) series consists of 21 implanted goals.

The first three goals in both series are the same, To Forget, To Remember and To Go Away. The last goal and one other in both series are the same. The remaining goals are not the same for the two implants.

PERSONALLY PERCEIVED DATA
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The pattern of RIs is different for the two series, consisting in the second series of added RIs below the To Have a Goal-ivity and with a different dwindling of adjectives and adverbs, but are otherwise similar.

Both series have the Gates of Heaven visible. The last implant of both consists of “entering” Heaven. The last goal of both is To Be In Heaven.

The gates of the first series are well done, well built. An avenue of statues of saints leads up to them. The gate pillars are surmounted by marble angels. The entering grounds are very well kept, laid out like Bush Gardens in Pasadena, so often seen in the movies. Aside from the implant boxes which lie across from each other on the walk there are other noises and sounds as though the saints are defending and berating. These are unimportant to the incident.

The second series, probably in the same place, shows what a trillion years of overt acts does (or is an additional trickery to collapse one’s time). The place is shabby. The vegatation is gone. The pillars are scruffy. The saints have vanished. So have the Angels. A sign on one (the left as you “enter”) says “This is Heaven”. The right has a sign “Hell” with an arrow and inside the grounds one can see the excavations like archaeological diggings with raw terraces, that lead to “Hell”. Plain wire fencing encloses the place. There is a sentry box beside and outside the right pillar. The road “leading up” to the gates is deeply eroded. An effigy of Joseph, complete with desert clothing, is seen approaching the gates (but not moving) leading a donkey which “carries” the original Madonna and child from “Bethlehem”. The implanting boxes lie on either side of this “entering” path at path level.

These are the actual ends of the two series. One backs out the gates, of course, from top oppterm down, as this is the end. The last two RIs after this last goal say “it is the beginning”, “Not the end”.

The place, by implant and inference, was supposed to be in the sky like a floating island. Actually it was simply a high place in the mountains of a planet and the gates pathway falls away into a gorge, very eroded and bare by the time of the second implant, but heavily forested and rolling at the time of the first.

The beginnings have not at this writing been so well explored by myself. I have not viewed the second beginning (which says it is the end). However I do know that the second series was done in long square tunnels with the implant boxes, not unlike small P.A. speakers with fretwork fronts, on either side.

The first series actually begins with arrival in a “town” (as everything is backwards to upset the time sense). This “town” consisted of a trolley bus, some building fronts, sidewalks, train tracks, a boarding house, a bistro in a basement where there is a “bulletin board” well lighted, and a BANK BUILDING.
The bank is the key point of interest. It is interesting that we use the work “bank” (taken actually from computerology) to indicate the reactive mind.

This bank building was the on-the-corner old-fashioned granite-like construction, two or three stories high, with the door in the rounded front – even a revolving type door. Inside to the left of the entrance door is a rounded counter. Directly across the room are THE stairs.
The top oppterm and terminal of To Forget are at the top of these stairs. The implant then proceeds on down the stairs, step by step, terminals on one side (the left if one were coming up the stairs) the oppterms on the other. The first series (43 Trillion) has all its implant impulses at step level. In the second series the boxes are ear high to a man. By the time the gates are arrived at in the first series, the terminals are on the left as you approach the gates, the oppterms on the right, having been reversed at some point.

The first (43 Trillion) series had very fine marble stairs. The same stairs can be seen in any big well kept railway station. They were complete with a white ball held in a wrought iron stand.
The thetan was taken along apparently on a pole trap to which he was stuck. It does not proceed step by step throughout the whole of the implant series, but after the first flight of stairs, goes a ways, stops while several pairs of RIs fire then goes to a new location.

The place seemed to have people in it. But they are all effigies. These seem radioactive. Contact with them hurts. No living beings. But effigies that look like humans are performing sudden, repetitive actions with long halts between. In the “basement” such dummies are seen operating machinery.

The boarding house at the actual beginning has a dummy guest and a landlady in kimono and wrappers, reading a newspaper.

There are no devils or satans that I saw.

There is a passenger getting on the trolley bus, a “workman” halfway down the first stairs of To Forget “eating lunch” and in To Be in Heaven a gardener or electrician adjusting an implant box behind a hedge and periodically leaping up and screaming.

The place, so long as the implants remain only partially discharged, seems to swim in while and black electronic masses, but these dissipate as the implants are run out by pattern.

One actually “enters” the “town” as the first action. The implants, however, were rigged to make the gates seem the entrance to the incident. One backs through from the town, into the bank, down the steps and eventually out the Pearly Gates, down the hillside and is there let off and abandoned. One might have had a body or its remains at the town but has none when abandoned.
“TO BE IN HEAVEN” is the last goal implanted in both series. The goal may be slightly differently worded in the second series.

This is not a body building implant, though running it gives somatics to chest.

This is not a GE implant. It is the person’s own. Running it, particularly badly, brings it down on the body. There are body somatics on it, however, particularly eyes, face, chest, bones.
It apparently only can be run by 3M listing and Rocket Reads. One must have the goal to get the RIs.

CONCLUSIONS​

The place is so full of lies by implant that the preclear becomes quite confused and this review of the actual data is necessary to a successful navigation. However, it is very easy to read more treachery into it than there is in it – which is enough.

However, as the place existed so long it was in a varying state of repair and some change. (This data on time is subject to review). But in 1.2 Trillion years only some of the implant pattern and mock up had shifted. However, there may have been other stations. Only time and research will really tell that.

One must date the preclear’s first (earliest) goal to forget, find out how many times the preclear went through it, or some such implant station, date the other times and be careful to run only the first of the first series. As this is basic, as in Prepchecking, Sec Checking and old engram running, it tends to ease up the remainder of the implants. But running the implants later than basic is very much harder on the pc even though it can be done. Wherever one misses an RI in an early implant, that repeated RI when found in a later one tends to be very much more heavily charged.
Re-running any implant that has only been partially run tends to rough up the whole implant and make it hard to run.

LUCK​

I think we are lucky. It could have been much worse. This Heavenly dream of destruction could have been current, not so long ago. It could have happened often, not just once or twice or three times per pc. But apparently it didn’t and is unique in itself.

This is the core of the Reactive Mind. It is all the way South. For here, just once on the whole track, somebody discovered the mechanism of purposes and RIs and utilized them to install religious mania and pin thetans down to “one life” and planets.

The thing was done so well that it has hung up ever since. There are other implants, there are other goals and GPMs, but these are minor and easily found and listed once this key implant series is out of the way.

We were in a position of having an infinite number of pieces to the puzzle. Now we have a finite number which even though very tough are still finite in number. Further, every processing step taken, every RI discharged is a positive gain toward a definite finite result in processing.
Further, we have our hands on an apalling piece of technology where the world is concerned. With rapidity and a Meter it can be shown that Heaven is a false dream and that the old religion was based on a very painful lie, a cynical betrayal.

What does this do to any religious nature of Scientology? It strengthens it. New religions always overthrow the false gods of the old, they do something to strengthen man. We can improve man. We can show the old gods false. And we can open up the universe as a happier place in which a spirit may dwell. What more can you expect? This actually places us far beyond any other beings that are about. It puts us, through increased beingness and a restoration of life, in control of much destiny.

We have now only a few unsolved problems about life, huge though they may be, such as the construction of bodies and how does one establish the character of and communicate, if feasible, with beings who are making trees and insects. There are a few things like these. But I imagine when we finally manage to communicate with beetle under rocks and free them, we’ll no doubt find the Creator of Heaven who 43 + Trillion years ago designed and built the Pearly Gates and entrapped us all.

Good Lord, I’d hate to be guilty of that overt. But never mind – you aren’t either. That guy is GONE (I hope!)

L. RON HUBBARD

(Note: This HCO Bulletin is based on over a thousand hours of research auditing, analyzing the facsimiles of the reactive mind, and with the help of a Mark V Electrometer. It is scientific research and is not in any way based upon the mere opinion of the researcher. This HCO Bulletin is not the result of the belief or beliefs of anyone. Scientology data reflects long, arduous and painstaking research over a period of some thirty years into the nature of Man, the mind, the human spirit and its relationship to the physical universe. The data and phenomena discovered in Scientology is common to all minds and all men and can be demonstrated on anyone. Truth does not require belief to be truth any more than water requires anyone’s permission to run down hill. The data is itself and can be duplicated by any honest researcher or practitioner. We in Scientology seek freedom, the betterment of Man, and the happiness of the individual and this comprises our attitude towards the data found. The data, however, is simply itself, and exists whatever the opinion of anyone may be. The contents of this HCO Bulletin discover the apparent underlying impulses of religious zealotism and the source of the religious mania and insanity which terrorized Earth over the ages and has given religion the appearance of insanity. As the paper is written for my friends it has, of course, a semblane of irreverence).

(Note: All our data on the whole track remains factual and is not taken from any implant.).

Wow, that's good to know that all our data on the whole track is factual, Ron. For a moment there I was reading your bulletin and thinking you are quite delusional. Thanks for setting the record straight. I'll never doubt you again since you made it clear that it's all factual.
 
Cool post Div6!

I am reprinting the entire "HEAVEN" bulletin because there are some other things that Hubbard says that succinctly reveal lies he later told about how Scientology welcomes and embraces Christianity.

(snip Hubbard nonsense)

OH MY GOD! HE IS SO FULL OF SHIT!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

I can't believe I used to believe that complete & utter rubbish.

Every now and again I realise I'm not really over the embarrassment. I doubt I ever will be. :bigcry:
 
(snip Hubbard nonsense)

OH MY GOD! HE IS SO FULL OF SHIT!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

I can't believe I used to believe that complete & utter rubbish.

Every now and again I realise I'm not really over the embarrassment. I doubt I ever will be. :bigcry:


It is amazingly blatant bad 1950-ish sci-fi, huh? The dates with all the zeros, to camouflage the fact that he was making it up with a bunch of pseudo-scientific 'findings'. Of course, he was pulling it strait out of his ass all the time.

You still around, Pip? If you are, get it through your thick skull that your guru was actually one of the greatest con-men of the twentieth century.
 
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Scientology and Christianity actually do work hand in hand. Jesus said that a camel will go through the eye of a needle before a rich man goes to heaven. So Hubbard invented a religion to impoverish all his followers. Now he's burning in hell for all eternity so all Scientologists can go to heaven. What a sacrifice! He truly was mankind's greatest friend. And DM is also willing to give up salvation, just like Ron. I can't continue now, I'm overcome with emotion...
 
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(snip Hubbard nonsense)

OH MY GOD! HE IS SO FULL OF SHIT!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

I can't believe I used to believe that complete & utter rubbish.

Every now and again I realise I'm not really over the embarrassment. I doubt I ever will be. :bigcry:


Yeah, I'll see you in church next Sunday. I belong too....

C of S.

Cringe of Scientology
 
Emma,

There are some people who might like to know what Ron actually thought of their religion.

Which button do I push if I want to e-mail that "HEAVEN HCOB" to all Christians in the world?

HH
 
It amuses me how Scientologists claim to be part of a "religion". This is demonstrably not the case where I come from... but whatever.

What amuses me is that after sixty years (that's three generations, not counting Sea Org forced abortions...) Scientology victims are still trying to borrow respectability from genuine religions such as Christianity. Good grief! How much longer has DM told them it will be, before their wacky UFO-themed belief system can stand on its own merits?

A full-on current Scientology victim could not think sincere Christian thoughts about charity, peace, or loving their enemy. A genuine Christian could not stomach the activities of Scientology's management and staff, and no crude masquerading as a religion will change that.
 
If Pip identifies himself as a Christian, who am I to say otherwise? But people trying to understand his viewpoint should be aware that the particular kind of Christianity he mentions is Unitarianism. That's a church with a really broad set of beliefs — even Anglicans (Episcopalians in the US) look like fundamentalists in comparison. So it's not as though Pip is claiming to be a Roman Catholic Scientologist, or a Southern Baptist Scientologist. Trying to catch him out in some contradiction with orthodox Christian doctrine is going to be pretty wide of the mark. If he considers himself UU more than anything else, then what he means by Christianity may well not be in any conflict with Scientology. And if you want to say, "That doesn't count as Christianity!", well ... I guess Benedict XVI doesn't just tweet, now. He must post on ESMB.

Thanks, Trin, I picked up the Unitarian bit and was going to point it out. Unitarians are generally so laid back they're barely religious. It's the church of choice for gay and lesbian people, eg. You know, big on art and music and low on dogma. I wouldn't call it fundamentalist.

On the other hand, I *would* call Scientology fundamentalist.

PD
 
Speaking of different translations, the French have "The debonaire will inherit the earth".

That word can be translated several ways. I have seen it translated as something like "those with panache". I suppose that equates to debonaire ... maybe.
 
I have decided to "come out of the closet" since a guy from Canada phoned me as a result of my websites: www.christianscientology.info or www.christianscientology.co.uk I have not updated them for sometime but as a result of getting in com. with him it has encouraged me to persist.

I know some of you have a back-off from God and "all that", but on the basis of the "bigger the ARC the bigger the ARC break" I would rather be honest from the beginning than pretend I am something I am not.

I am "born again" and also "Clear" which I maintain is an unstoppable combination.


I once knew a Jewish Scientologist who became a born again Christian. She saw no conflict in any of this. Said Scientology brought her to the foot of the cross.
 
I once knew a Jewish Scientologist who became a born again Christian. She saw no conflict in any of this. Said Scientology brought her to the foot of the cross.

I once knew a human being who also thought he was a Scientology Operating Thetan.

He sincerely tried to work it out.

But the conflict nearly killed his ass.

He did Doubt and decided to re-join the human race.

And I feel much better now.
 
I found a page that may be of some interest to some. It is called:
The Scientology Comparative Theology Page
http://www.sweenytod.com/cos/Theology/Theology/

"Scientology publicly claims to be an "applied religious philosophy", as well as being compatible with other religious belief systems. However, in the secret upper levels of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard says many uncomplimentary things about religion in general and Christianity in particular. Because the "Church" of Scientology is less than forthcoming in revealing its entire belief structure, this web site was created to promote the scholarly study of the public and private beliefs of Scientology and Dianetics. These beliefs are then contrasted with Judaism, Christianity, and Islam."

This page is packed with information. Here is a quote I took off that page from Hubbard:


" Also the Christian Church used (and uses) implanting (with a squirrel version of the "7s"). These gangsters were the Nicomidians from lower Egypt who were chased out for criminal practices (implanting officials). They took over the Niocene Creed before the year zero, invented Christ (who comes from the crucifixion in R6 75m years ago) and implanted their way to "power". The original Nicomidians date about 600 BC and people who were Christ date at 75m years ago. " - L. Ron Hubbard, Resistive Cases, Former Therapy, HCOB 23 Sep 1968.

So according to Hubbard on this particular day, Christ was invented by gangsters, the Nicomidians from lower Egypt. Hmmmm, seems he can't keep his story straight. :no:


Another page with some interesting quotes from Hubbard is over here:
http://www.skeptictank.org/compat.htm

Some samples:

"There are gods above all other gods, and gods beyond the gods of the universes." (Scientology 8-8008, pp. 72-3).

"The whole Christian movement is based on the victim.... A Scientologist is not a victim.... We can win by converting victims. Christianity succeeded in making people into victims. We can succeed by making victims into people" (HCO Bulletin, 18 July 1959).

"Neither Lord Buddha, nor Jesus Christ were OT's according to the evidence. They were just a shade above clear" (Ability, No. 81, 1959).

"It is despicable and utterly beneath contempt to tell a man he must repent, that he is evil" (Professional Auditor Bulletin [PAB] #31, 23 July 1954). "For all have sinned" is a Christian ideal.

"Hell is a total myth, an invention just to make people unhappy and is a vicious lie" (PAB #130, 15 Feb. 1958).

"Religion...being basically a control mechanism used by those who have sent the preclear into a body. You will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the Christ legend as an implant in preclears millions of years ago" (PAB #31, 23 July 1954).

In Scientology's Class 8 course, lecture 10, (3 October 1968) Hubbard taught, "Somebody somewhere on this planet, back about 600 B.C. found some pieces of R6, and I don't know how they found it, either by watching madman or something. But since that time they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity. The man on the cross. There was no Christ" (Corydon and Hubbard, L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? p. 362). [Note 1]

"But I imagine when we finally manage to communicate with beetles under rocks and free them, we'll no doubt find the Creator of Heaven who 43+ trillion years ago designed the Pearly Gates and entrapped us all. Good Lord, I'd hate to be guilty of that overt" (Ibid., p.4)




Pip, while I support your right to believe whatever you wish, Christianity of any type is not compatible with Scientology IMO. When I worked in a Church of Scientology for 7 years we told people that it was compatible. But we "knew" that the ONLY hope of salvation was through Scientology. Hubbard reminded us of this time and time again. I'm going to quote my own post from several days ago in another thread (below) which will give you examples of what I am referring to. The CoS didn't accept you because you don't get it that SCIENTOLOGY is the solution. Not Scientology mixed in with Christianity or any other religion, but just pure Scientology, unaltered in any way. If you believe that any other religion or any other mental therapy is a necessary part of the solution then the CoS will not fully accept you. And they're just applying standard scientology as written in the scriptures by Hubbard.


Bill, according to the founder of Scientology, Hubbard, the ONLY hope of salvation is through Scientology. There is no other hope, not through any other religion.

Quoting Margery Wakefield:
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/scnchr01.htm

(quotes from the scientology scriptures are in navy)


The only hope of salvation for man, according to Hubbard, is for him to undergo Scientology processing, and this theme is repeated over and over again in Hubbard's writings:

"The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depends on what you do here and now with and in Scientology."--from Keeping Scientology Working

And:

"In all the broad universe there is no other hope for man than ourselves."---from Ron' s Journal 67

And:

"Auditors have since the first session of Scientology been the only individuals on this planet in this universe capable of freeing Man."---from Auditors

And:

"We are the only people and the only religion on earth which have the technology and the ambition to attempt a clarification of situations which in other hands are considered entirely out of control, to wit, the atomic bomb and the decay and confusion of societies."--- from Purpose
 
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