No doubt this will polarize ESMB and I'll be struck from the Christmas card lists of the few FZers who "like" me, but at this point in time I couldn't care less.
I have a new opinion of FreeZoners. This is based on years of observation, interaction and one or two recent incidents that have pushed me over the edge.
And here it is.....
If you have the left the official church of Scientology, have had a chance to read all the information about Hubbard, the formation of the tech, the abuses, the history, the lies and betrayals Scientology delivers AND you have flittered around the FZ, had a chance to experience Scientology tech "outside" the official church and interacted with the key people in the Freezone and seen how these people behave and how the insanity perpetuates, and you still consider yourself a Scientologist THEN YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID.
There is no other explanation.
You are just fucking stupid.
Edit:
Clarification
I am referring to the active FZers who are Rons Org members, Pierre's group, Terrils yahoo group etc. I am NOT referring to the likes of Mike Goldstein, Roger, Paul etc who do their own thing and do great stuff.
I agree with Emma.
I should say here about CLAIMS (by Hubbard) and EXPECTATIONS (planted into followers).
Scientology is all about CLAIMS. Hubbard made claims upon claims upon claims.
It's hard to see through those claims. It's even harder to see that those claims were nothing but Sci-Fi ideas of a person who was just running for fame, money and power.
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Very true and you can also use the word ASSERTIONS instead or together with the word CLAIMS.
Opter
Mike Goldstein, Roger, Paul, etc. are not Scientology FZoners, and often they post under the "Independent Field" section. The meaning of Independent Field has changed, and is now sometimes confused with "Independent Scientology," thus the suggestion to rename the "Independent Field" section something like, "Human Potential, Self-help, etc. beyond and outside Scientology," or some such.
The FZ section could become "FZ Scientology, Ron's Orgs, and Indie Scientology" consolidated.
This might help avoid confusion and, ultimately, invite Indie Scientologists and Scientology Zoners to take the next step up to "Human Potential etc. beyond Scientology."
P.S. I feel a disturbance in the force: Here comes PR damage control, and ("acceptable truth"& faux "ARC") attempted "handling" from FZ PR spokesmen. (I guess that's to be expected.)
In my opinion, scientology breeds stupidity.
If you blindly follow the "tech" then you simply cease thinking, observing and working things out for yourself.
Until those thought stopping automaticities are realised, it's a never ending squirrel cage of round and round.
I'm all for each to his own, but have also observed over the last years that there is little or no change of awareness for those who follow blindly.
Not that I was on the Xmas card list anyway.![]()

right back atcha zeener:
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Merry Christmas
Zinj

That's the least flatterin' pose of the lot! I agree.
Looking at FreeZoners as a separate "tribe" might be obsolete.
It might be good to unite FZ, Indies, Squirrels, Idenics, ... under one good section "Spiritual Alternatives" (as opposed to Ex Scientologists threads).
I, myself, had to figure out many times which thread should I choose for this or that. (I have been choosing "General Discussion" by default, just because I had no clue about the "just right" thread for my thoughts)

No, no, no. Read what I wrote again. The idea is to avoid confusion by separating FZ Scientologists/Indie Scientologists/Ron's Orgers in one section - at the bottom of the page, and then, above that, have the old "Independent Field" section (which some now confuse with Independent Scientology) renamed, "Human Potential, self discovery outside and beyond Scientology," etc.
No, no, no. Read what I wrote again. The idea is to avoid confusion by separating FZ Scientologists/Indie Scientologists/Ron's Orgers in one section - at the bottom of the page, and then, above that, have the old "Independent Field" section (which some now confuse with Independent Scientology) renamed, "Human Potential, self discovery outside and beyond Scientology," etc.![]()
Mike Goldstein, Roger, Paul, etc. are not Scientology FZoners, and often they post under the "Independent Field" section. The meaning of Independent Field has changed, and is now sometimes confused with "Independent Scientology," thus the suggestion to rename the "Independent Field" section something like, "Human Potential, Self-help, etc. beyond and outside Scientology," or some such.
The FZ section could become "FZ Scientology, Ron's Orgs, and Indie Scientology" consolidated.
This might help avoid confusion and, ultimately, invite Indie Scientologists and Scientology Zoners to take the next step up to "Human Potential etc. beyond Scientology."
P.S. I feel a disturbance in the force: Here comes PR damage control, and ("acceptable truth"& faux "ARC") attempted "handling" from FZ PR spokesmen. (I guess that's to be expected.)

. . now howzat for a demonstration of the inability to think . . . and to use Emma's well chosen word: stupidity.Done.
I've also closed the FZ Success Stories forum. After all, it's a misnomer anyway.
Done.
I've also closed the FZ Success Stories forum. After all, it's a misnomer anyway.

“If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck”
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For all you ornithologists, (no Winnie an ornithologist is not a horny scientologist) my apologies if this is a goose.
It looked like a duck to me.
Done.
I've also closed the FZ Success Stories forum. After all, it's a misnomer anyway.
Done.
I've also closed the FZ Success Stories forum. After all, it's a misnomer anyway.






