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Marty Rathbun nearly murdered in 1978

Discussion in 'MartyWorld' started by WildKat, Apr 16, 2015.

  1. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    My recollection from that era was that newbie SO members didn't have a choice where they ended up. You could be told you were going one place and be doing something you wanted, but then end up being sent somewhere else, and being that the SO is a bit like the army, you go where you're ordered. I was recruited for Golden Era Productions aka SU, but shortly after routing in, found myself in the GO office filling out paperwork. I have only a vague recollection of this. I'm guessing they found me unqualified or something, because I did end up at Gold after a few months.
  2. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I'm sure its available in the FZ.

    Why the hell not?

    Well the alternative is OT4, audited thus lots of money, and then OT 5, similar.
  3. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    In Marty's books, he pretty much says his only involvement with the psychiatrists was to fight them legally to become his brother's guardian. As far as family therapy, not at all. So he's no more an illegal PC than the Scientologists that signed Lisa McPherson out of the hospital, IMO.
  4. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Thanks NoName.

    It is a small point....and I appreciate your post. I have not read Marty's book.

    But if it came to Marty fighting for legal custody of his brother....then PRIOR deciding to do so.....he must have had involvement of some sort...with them...?

    I'll have to read the entire "Illegal PC Policy" again sometime.

    In my own situation.....I was classified as an "Illegal PC" because of what my father and other immediate family members did for a living.....and I had thought that this was the same case with any Psychiatric involvement....perhaps I'm wrong.
  5. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    The extent of his involvement was visiting his brother in the state's nut hut a few times and exchanging words with a few nurses and doctors over his brother's treatment. No family therapy or anything of that sort.

    If you find the illegal PC policy, let me know and post it here. To my recollection this wouldn't make Marty an illegal PC. And then I'm sure the interpretation has evolved to make more people illegal PC's because the cult just gets more and more out exchange as time goes by.
  6. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Keep in mind that it was/is a common occurrence for a SO recruiter to promise the moon and the stars to get the prospect to sign. I have heard numerous stories of people being told if they join, they will be trained to be an auditor (or whatever their hot button is), but they get in and wind up doing anything else EXCEPT train to audit, or do what they were told they could do. It is also possible that Marty was told "we're going to clean up the field of mental healing and you can help by going in the GO". I don't claim to know for sure in Marty's case because I wasn't there, but I know the bait and switch routine is prevalent at all levels in the cult.
  7. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    A post from Dean Blair from 2010:-

    Note Leland your illegal PC status would come under A-J policy.

    Dean Blair
    Aug 2010

    The policy that covers this is HCO Policy Letter 6 Dec 1976RB Illegal Pcs, Acceptance Of.
    It says that an auditor cannot accept for processing and process any pc:
    "2. Who has an extensive institutional or psychiatric history which includes heavy drugs, shocks of various kinds and/or so-called psychiatric brain operations.
    By "institutional history" is meant having been knowingly or unknowingly given treatment as described in (2) above in a public or private institution for the insane, a psychiartric ward in a hospital, a psychiatrist's, psychologist's or other mental practitioner's clinic or office or a mental health center."

    If you have access to the Policy Letter volumes, you can find this in Volume 1, page 904.
    It would be best to read the whole of the policy letter as it explains why this policy exists.

    As another poster mentioned, being classified as PTS A-J would also make you ineligible for auditing.

    If you are on ESMB you are probably also ineligible for auditing as well as going to any of the independent Scientology web sites or web sites that are anti Scientology.

    I used to believe that being an illegal PC was a fate worse than death but have come to believe that it is actually a blessing.
  8. MrNobody

    MrNobody Who needs merits?

    OK, but the way it is spelled is says OT 7 - otherwise, they would have spelled it "OTIII X". But, since I've never Xperienced it, I can't say how "effective" Study Tech can be. :giggle:
  9. DeeAnna

    DeeAnna Patron Meritorious

    One account of this woman's death has her "crawling along a sidewalk on all fours" and the official police report has her sitting in the driver's seat of a car? That's a heck of a discrepancy!
  10. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    The point is, the more the courses, the more revenue is made.:)
  11. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Yes, you're absolutely right Lee, as can be seeen from my treason goldenrod.



    Despite the fact that they wrote OT 111X instead of OT IIIX. Doh!
  12. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yeah, there's a few discrepancies in the story, and different sources of information. It's been over 30 years, and people may remember things differently, not to mention that any good cultie would lie to try to keep the cult's "good PR" out of the dirt.

    Also, there are those who don't think anyone should ask any questions about this case.

    I think any and ALL murders having to do with the cult should be looked at with a laser light, and any witnesses with information should come forward and say what they know or what they witnessed (not hearsay), and not just slink away and try to forget.

    "We may be through with the past....but the past ain't through with us."
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2015