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Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2

Discussion in 'MartyWorld' started by Boson Wog Stark, Jun 28, 2017.

  1. Out Effix

    Out Effix Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer

    Stats are up!

    It appears that Marty is in Scientological "Power".

    I just hope he can find people to sign his petition to re join his group he was pretending to be a part of.

    Probably has some unobtainable goal before he cashes in on the big hush money.

    Marty obviously needs a group...any group - does not care if it is evil.
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  2. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    CLAPPING Churchill - CLAPPING. :hi5: :thumbsup:
  3. Jenyfurrr

    Jenyfurrr Patron

    What’s interesting to me in the few I watched is how he’s going on and on about things Mike Rinder wrote at his blog when they were close friends and involved in the Indy movement. The mental disconnect it takes to do that about Mike yet not recognize the same could be done to him (when he was pro-Scientology, then compared to when he was not, then back again) is mind-boggling.

    I did see the post about people leaving fake reviews about Monique’s cake business and there were screenshots of people openly talking about that on Facebook. That IMHO is really not ok and very ineffective. Though he’s trying to blame Mike R, Leah, Tony O & Karen D for it, which is ridiculous. They’ve never promoted tactics like that! But it was truly disappointing to see that multiple people would attack her business in that manner - very childish & vindictive-seeming (& similar to what he’s doing to others in his videos).
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  4. Jenyfurrr

    Jenyfurrr Patron

    They did do an episode with Bruce Hines (hope I got his name right) & Leah’s Mom where they discussed the entire bridge & did go into beliefs & how Leah’s Mom felt after completing OT8 and what some key OT levels are about. If you haven’t seen it, it’s definitely worth watching!
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  5. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Last edited: Feb 17, 2018
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  6. TexasLurker

    TexasLurker Patron

    Not that I blame Jeffrey, but if he doesn’t pursue it, it’s another case of Sci winning through bullying tactics.
  7. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    If the tax exemption in the USA could get taken away from scientology it would make a world a difference in their litigation ability.
  8. RandomCat

    RandomCat Patron with Honors

    I actually thought it was a great interview. Leah and Chris were great at portraying the insanity an average sea org member went through, when stationed for years on the Freewinds. Leah did observe that OT parents seemed more likely to treat their children harshly.
    I can answer one of you questions, with a high level of confidence: Nobody showed the qualities and abilities of being Clear and/or OT.
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2018
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  9. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    . . .
    My takeaway from Ray Jeffrey's comment is that the COS would rather not pay off an attorney
    -- perhaps a million or two to make him go quietly -- but instead would prefer to get into a win-at-
    all-costs battle, hiring a team of the best lawyers with an unlimited budget and fight for however
    long it takes. Perhaps, at a cost of $10-20 million, if need be.

    This is the "not one thin dime for Wollersheim" philosophy from the 80's still in play.

    "Hey, it's not our money. It's parishioner money! Always much more where that came from."

    I've always been OK with Jeffery getting some money for his troubles, since Debbie and Marty
    walked away with millions. But I guess it's not to be.

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  10. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    I don't think the point is so much a "win at all costs" battle as it is to create a situation where no lawyer wants to take on the church, because they will wind up getting screwed by their client after investing vast amounts of time and money into the battle.

    Ray J brings up Ford Greene as someone who wound up in that situation. There was also Dennis Erlich's law firm (Morrison and Forerter) who repped him pro bono. From what I remember, they also got screwed but don't remember the details. I do remember hearing that they would never take on a case involving COS again.
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  11. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster More Skeptical Than You

    Debbie Cook was sued by David "Darth Midget" Miscavige for allegedly violating Non-Disclosure Agreement(s) she signed before leaving Co$. Ray Jeffrey's office took the case and put Ms. Cook on the stand who testified about the horrors D.M. put her through at Gold Base. Instead of Cross Examining her, D.M.'s legal team requested the Judge to allow them to Settle.

    The Settlement was handled by Jeffrey's team and approved by the Judge. That means Ray Jeffrey's office received their contingency fee (typically 33% - 45%) out of any moneys paid to Debbie Cook by the Co$ as a result of this settlement.

    Since the terms of the settlement were and remain confidential and disclosure would constitute Breech of Settlement and result in substantial penalties, and neither Debbie, the Jeffrey's legal team nor D.M. or any of his people have disclosed the terms there is no basis in fact for any claim that she "walked away with millions".

    Monique (not Marty) Rathbun who never was a member of the Co$ is the one who sued D.M. *personally* for ongoing harassment at his orders. She ultimately dropped the suit with her Judge's approval. The Jeffrey's office - because they took case on contingency - was out whatever billable hours they spent on that case (minus their retainer), true enough.

    As of this date, no evidence that the Rathbuns received any monies from David "Darth Midget" Miscavige or his minions at Co$ has ever been produced - let alone "millions".

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
    email: [email protected]
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2018
  12. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    True and I would have agreed with you (re the Rathbuns possibly not being in receipt of any money from a secret settlement) right up until Marty went rogue and started making those absurd and ridiculous videos.

    The only alternative (that I can see) to the Rathbuns receiving money and having to jump (ie make daft videos) whenever the greedy goblin says so is that Marty has completely lost his marbles and gone mad ... and I don't think that has happened.

    Either way I no longer feel the slightest bit of empathy for Marty Rathbun ... he has attempted to screw over the ex community and (even though in many ways I still feel we asked for it by making him the enemy from day one) I cannot forgive that.

    I suspect he is being paid in installments (by the goblin) in order to "keep him honest" ... and not in a lump sum.
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  13. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    . . .
    Believe what you want to believe.

    I have back channel friends in Texas who are close to the situations and I know
    what I'm talking about. I'm a good friend who keeps confidences and can't say
    more. Never will. But I do know.

    Are real estate transactions generally in the public record? Pretty much.

    Have the people involved opened up about settlements to close friends? Yes, for sure.

    Will you ever see the settlement documents in the public domain? No.

    So believe what you want to believe. I don't care. :shrug: :evillaugh:
  14. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

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  15. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I wouldn't be surprised if Marty's backing is from the Freezone, some whale.

    In any case, Marty is a useful idiot unbeknownst to hisself.

    No clears or OT's Marty, that's the bottom line, no OT levels above OT8 as you said on your website, aye.
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2018
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  16. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Furthermore, if the first amendment was changed back to James Madison's first draft, then, I believe that organizations claiming themselves as religions would be liable for all the civil rights abuses that they perpetrate.
    Excerpt from

    "On June 8, 1789, James Madison proposed a religious freedom amendment to the Constitution:"That in article 1st, section 9, between clauses 3 and 4, be inserted these clauses, to wit: The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.""
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  17. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Bolding, above, added.

    Marty's first and only post on his first thread: 7 Feb, 2009:

    All things considered, Marty was treated pretty well, IMO.

    He returned two days later with this.

    Marty's first and only post on his second thread, 9 Feb 2009:

    Marty had a chip on his shoulder from the beginning.

    The tragedy is that Marty, just before Scientology moved in and (it appears) placed him on a stipend and a leash for the rest of his life, finally was able to see what Hubbard was actually doing - he had recognized a key part of Hubbard's devious and destructive Method of Operation.

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  18. IWantOffThisTrain

    IWantOffThisTrain Eternal Optimist

    I read Martys recent post blaming Leah, Mike, Tony and Karen for the negative reviews of Monique's Cake Business. The Troublemakers FB doesnt appear to be an "offical" page, they can post to it, like anyone else can but I dont think they have any control over. So those that are leaving the neg reviews are not doing so "on orders" from those 4.

    While it is shitty to leave neg reviews for something you have never tried I think most people are wise enough to figure out when a small local business has a bunch of negative (or positive) reviews around the same time period from people all over the country those reviews are part of a campaign to promote or hinder the business.

    Furthermore the negative ones will often state the reason for the reviews which may have nothing to do with the business BUT they do give prospective patrons knowledge they may not know and can use that to determine if they want to support that business or not. For example if the bakery is using its proceeds to fund artic expeditions to club baby seals most of us are not going to want to use them but if those expeditions are to prevent others from harming the seals yeah ill buy a cake.

    I think Marty knows this and he knows that CO$ has such a bad reputation in the real world that their involvement with Co$ will be harmful, same goes for Co$ members but they are so few it wouldn't have any impact on the business.

    If people are not lying about the product and are upfront with the reason for the neg review I really dont have a problem with it because most adults are capable of reading between the lines. Marty just wants an excuse to trash his critics and to set them up as the cause of any failures their business have.

    Edit to add: Reading his blog led me down a rabbit hole to read some of Alonzos stuff. One massive headache later my take away is that he sure likes to follow ESMB and take things out of context. Dont make the mistake I did, save yourself
  19. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Maybe if the Rathbun's "Let Them Eat Cake Enterprises" fails, a new one can be tried. . .


    It's a specialty online site that promotes traditional Sea Org food to the general public, with 10% of all sales being donated to some worthy cause like "Save The Whales!"

    They could even post success stories from whales that made huge humanitarian donations to the IAS after they were recovered.
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2018
  20. IWantOffThisTrain

    IWantOffThisTrain Eternal Optimist

    Back in the 80's a bunch of British artists did a Christmas song called Feed the World (Do they know its Christmas time). For some reason when I read "Save the Whales" the chorus tune popped in my head ... Save the Whales, do they know its all a hoax? Save the Whales, let them know its all a hoax.
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